Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

November 3, 2008 -

Earlier today GamePolitics reported on a study published in the journal Pediatrics which details U.S. and Japanese longitudinal studies suggesting that violent video game play leads to increased aggression in children.

Of the research, Iowa State professor Craig Anderson, whose work constitutes the American segment of the report, said:

We now have conclusive evidence that playing violent video games has harmful effects on children and adolescents.

But, in a letter to Pediatrics, Christopher Ferguson, a researcher at Texas A&M International University, has called the Anderson study into question. Ferguson claims that the research contains "numerous flaws" and disputes its meaningfulness. Ferguson writes:

In the literature review the authors suggest that research on video game violence is consistent when this is hardly the case. The authors here simply ignore a wide body of research which conflicts with their views...

The authors fail to control for relevant "third" variables that could easily explain the weak correlations that they find. Family violence exposure for instance, peer group influences, certainly genetic influences on aggressive behavior are just a few relevant variables that ought either be controlled or at minimum acknowledged as alternate causal agents for (very small) link between video games and aggression...

Lastly the authors link their results to youth violence in ways that are misleading and irresponsible. The authors do not measure youth violence in their study. The [research tool used] is not a violence measure, nor does it even measure pathological aggression. Rather this measure asks for hypothetical responses to potential aggressive situations, not actual aggressive behaviors.



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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

I want you all to understand that the moderator of this site, Mr. Knight, apparently has no job, and his wife is a Mary Kay cosmetics operative so he can perform this priceless function here. 

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Soooo...

According to you, Zachary is independantly wealthy and his wife is self employed.

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Jealous?

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

You forget, there is the oft overlooked mod who is happily employed.  Unfortunately that job takes away from mod timing but I can still delete you if you step over the line.  So watch it.  -Toll

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Hey, EZK! Does your wife really work for Mary Kay? 'Cause if she does, I'd like to talk with her: I really need something to get rid of these bags under my eyes!

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

No, YOU have no job. Stop living in denial, sir. You should worry about your own family for a change.

 

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Haha, the ads make him more money in a month than you can hope to see in the next ten years.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Actually, considering how many of your comments made it through, andu nless I'm wrogn as I remember he may have mentioned, Mr Knight actually does has a job away from the site. Wait, forgot, because he defends video games you assume he has no job.

As for the jab about his wife, I almost did forget that you have a problem with women being allowed to have careers outside the home apparently, as your actions proved with your attitude to those testifyign at your DIBARMENT trial.

 

And at least Mr Knight doesn't have that hanging over his head, Mr Disbarred.

 

Now why not quit before you land yourself a job stamping liscense plates?

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Who cares?

I have friends whose wives have careers, and they take care of the kids and such. Is there something wrong with this?

Oh, wait, snap, that's you. Right, you got disbarred, so you don't have a job anymore...

 

 

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Yes, I am a liberal. I also believe in a strong military, less government, and the right to bear arms. 

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Please stop feeding the fake JT Troll.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

this one's not fake, but it is banned

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

You sure he's not fake? He seems REALLY immature. Like way worse then before. If that's the real JT then he needs to seek help fast.

Other then that I would just assume he was a -chan troll that was bored. The remarks being made are so over the top and stupid that I wouldn't expect even JT would make them.

I wouldn't expect him to crack so quickly.  If it is the real JT, then he has lost what little was left to him, he has BECOME a -chan troll.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

You're saying that like it's something he HASN'T done for the past... what, half-decade now?

The man once said here that everyone who posts here should be legally executed. The man lost his sanity years ago. God knows who's been holding his leash, preventing him from snapping any further.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

It's the real deal. He has been attacking me in that fashion since the countdown timer. He has contacted me through email, phone and Facebook as well as here. All with the same childish antics.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

he phoned you? what the heck does he say??

dude im sorry your getting harassed like that its totally not on.

If it continues cant you complain to somebody about that?

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

did he sign up to Facebook purely to harass you?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Oooh now he's got a facebook?

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Dude, I fucking sympathize with you. Having to put up with him all the time. No one deserves that, not even you. *nods to the First Comment B.S.*

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

And what do you do for a living?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

You mean like you yourself have no job? Thing is, Mr. Knight does come out as a mature being while you yourself do not. Wild ravings of a jobless man on an internet forum. Keep it at home Mr. THompson, because once you cross over to yelling at clouds it's off to the nuthouse with you. Not that this was not suggested to you many times before.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

This coming from the guy who's wife is the one who has to bust her ass to keep your family afloat because you can't stop being a lying dick and got yourself disbarred.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Ferguson is obviously the typical academic "games are great" tool of the industry.  This is an industry that spends tens of millions of dollars on advertising to modify behavior, but then says that games can't modify behavior.

This over-educated idiot, Ferguson, is in the teaching profession, of all things, but he claims that ideas have no consequences!  Good, so he can leave academia and live in an Internet cafe, since his profession is useless.  What a total, idiotic, tool of the video game industry.  Other than that, he's a very cool dude.  Jack Thompson

 You’re back again?  Geez well I’ll flag this for GP review of ye old IP address.  - Toll

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Ferguson is obviously the typical academic "games are great" tool of the industry.

No, he doesn't. He seems like an intelligent and well-educated individual...unlike you.

This over-educated idiot

One can never be "over-educated". Also, an over-educated idiot is an oxymoron.

...his profession is useless.

No, Mr. Thompson, a profession in the field of education is never EVER useless. However, there is no place in society for a disbarred medical malpractice attorney.

What a total, idiotic, tool of the video game industry.  Other than that, he's a very cool dude.

Are you friggin' kidding me? How can you utterly debase someone like that, then turn around and call them a "very cool dude", you dried-up dog turd? By the way, a man your age should never use the words "cool" or "dude": its very unbecoming and quite...lame, if I may. Have a nice day, Mr. Thompson!

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Hey Jack, two words for you

Fuck off.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Mr. Thompson, you're confusing his supposed life with what YOU'RE doing, given the fact that you don't have a job anymore.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Damnit, would you stop your backwards advertising? You're in the pocket of take 2 and the game industry to raise as much awareness of a product as possible.

Jack Thompson's PR! Or:How to make people hate you, and through attaching a negative image to a product advertise for its competitors!

Step 1:Use pseudo-intelligent high handed out-your-nose language to make idiot newspeople and soccor moms nod their heads and say 'uh huh'

Step 2:As gamers say it, gain aggro. Piss everyone off. Say outrageous things. Create such a negative image for yourself that people are willing to pay money to do the opposite of what you say.

Step 3:Reap the benefits of employing reverse psychology so successfully.

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You're scum. I've met-during my volunteering my time to help people with disabilities-all sorts of nasty people ranging from druggies to manipulative pricks, both with more backbone and believability than you.

Why don't you do some good for christians, mccain, and the anti-video game movement and convert to buddhism, scream your support for obama, and jump off a building clutching a copy of the latest spider man game?

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

[Citation needed]

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich, Johnny Bruce.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Do you understand that many people use video games to vent this frustration and anger, and levels of violent crime has went down since the release of the first GTA.  Is there a correlation?  Most likely no, but it pretty well shows that it isn't increasing violence to the degree you are thinking it does buddy.

The cause of voilence in video games and cause of global warming are the EXACT same arguement.  It figures in one thing, not looking at history enough, not looking at other factors AT ALL, and not using common logic.  What caused large tempurature change in the past?  The sun, scientist have proven that more solar spots means the sun is burning hotter, and with less it is burning cooler, which burning cooler caused the low temperatures of his time.   Right now there are a crap ton of solar spots, and our planet is getting much hotter.  (btw solar spots are caused by solar flares which are caused by a hot burning sun)  This was also proven by satalites going outside of our solar system as well.  The shockbow changes size based off of the amount of solar energy produced by the sun.  (Damn the sun is powerful, but we already know that.)

There are leading scientist, and people like me, that will blow smoke up your ass about global warming though just to make you be more smart about your spending and invest in green technology because of how much money you will save in the long run.

The same thing is happening with game violence.  Games don't actually cause violence, but these guys think it is moral moral or correct for people to not let their kids play violent video games, some nut jobs think they shouldnt even exist for adults, and so that is why this type of research goes the way it does.  Plus, our government funds them, so if you are going to be paid a great salary, then why not throw BS in their face if they will buy it.

This is the core problem with our academic institutions right now though.  We are given people a crap ton of money, and they are giving back bullcrap.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

 

Sorry to burst your bubble jack, but he is right on this.  The study done was flawed (horrendously so).  The study basically says that a 2% difference is enough to base aggressive children from non aggressive children.  Ferguson is not saying that there isn't a connection, but to prove a true connection, you have to make it independent of outside factors.  It is the equivalent of testing to see if carbon emissions can cause lung cancer, and not checking to see if anyone in your group smokes.  Obviously that smoking is going to scew the results towards cancer, and still leave the question as to whether carbon emissions can cause cancer since.

 

Second, in terms of the research, due to the second sample size (over 1000) it is almost guaranteeing that even a small change would be enough to register a significant difference at any level.  Due to the second study, I have to wonder what the results would be if it was removed and reworked only using the first and last study.  I think that the authors of the study in Japan artificially inflated their sample size to guarantee positive results.  Second, the authors also cite the fact that they are using non parametric data, which gives less precise results.  This is partially forgivable since, due to what they are measuring, it is difficult to give it a true numerical value, but when this is combined with the sample size of the second group, it further muddles the information being given.

 

They also ignore (blatantly) that there is conflicting research as to the connection.  In terms of statistics, this means that the research is already biased.  In statistics, the best thing to do is create a null-hypothesis (two-tailed), or a hypothesis that states that there is no difference in violence between kids who play violent video games, and those that don't.  By doing this, you are free to examine all aspects of the numbers, since you are not expecting any form of result, and thus any result received is okay.  But instead by looking for a connection, the researchers are stating that there has to be a value, and they are just looking to see how big it is (this is called a one-tailed test). 

 

For a true study on this topic to occur, these problems need to be addressed.

1st) An appropriate size of children need to be taken (approx 100-200). 

2nd) Accountability needs to be taken in terms of life (being bullied, drugs, family life, social life, etc) to guarantee that results aren't being scewed one way or another based on external factors

3rd) A true measurement of behavior needs to occur (physical violence, why, how often, etc.) this needs to be noted to allow for other extenuating circumstances (if a child is being bullied, then would they count that as violence?)

4th) Acknowledgement needs to occur for all studies.  This paper only cites papers that already agree with its findings, and not conflicting reports.  Not to mention, reports have been written against the measurement form that it used (see articles below for further review of Buss-Perry Aggression)

The Buss–Perry Aggression Questionnaire:

Some unfinished business q

Gilbert Becker

Department of Psychology, University of Winnipeg, 515 Portage Avenue, Winnipeg, Man., Canada R3B 2E9

 

Refining the Architecture of Aggression: A Measurement Model

for the Buss–Perry Aggression Questionnaire

Fred B. Bryant and Bruce D. Smith

Loyola University Chicago

 

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Foaming at the mouth

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Excellent reply. You took your opponent's claim, used factual evidence, and presented an intelligent argument which sold your point very effectively. Bravo, oh foamy one.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Nice comments, Jack. Now go back to the couch.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Fail troll is still failing.

You fail at pretending to be JT.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

''This is an industry that spends tens of millions of dollars on advertising to modify behavior, but then says that games can't modify behavior. ''

 

err... what?

 

Advertising modifies behaviour..

therefore games modify behaviour?

Even though they are completely different things?

So using the same logic, because I like to eat carrots, i like to eat planks of wood? I mean.. separate things but thats how your logic works. Great plan. 

 

So how effective is the advertising at McDonalds McDisbarredGuy?

You got past junior training week yet? I hear you learn how to make a shake in week 2.  

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Advertisements don't modify your behavior.  They give you information so that you can make an informed decision.  What you do with that information is your choice.  Advertisements and games can attempt to influence your behavior but they cannot force you to act a certain way. 

Where exactly does Ferguson claim that ideas have no consequences?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

See that? That's real psychology debunking poorly constructed BS. There IS a right way and a wrong way to do research :p

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Um... OW, burn!

Pretty much, he is just saying the same thing that most commenters were saying in reply to that last article.

Social researchers tend to guide their studies in order to find what they suspect, rather then like physical scientists that often find what they don't expect and have to figure out why.

Might as well add in my 2 pennies on this. I think they have it backwards, and a simple study could show this. Take a group of kids and run them through a psych eval, sorting them into the so-called aggressive and non-aggressive stereotypes. Then sit them in a room with two games, say Tetris (or Bejeweled) and Mortal Kombat (or insert your violent videogame of choice). Common sense would indicate that the more aggressive children would choose the more violent video games while the less aggressive would choose the less aggressive games. Granted, there will likely be bleed over, especially if both games rock. But my hypothesis would be that violent games and aggressive children may go together because the child chooses the game, not because the game molds the child.

With the kind of study they did, you could see how kids react differently from listening to Ride of the Valkeries vs Dance of the Sugarplum Faries. No one is saying that games have no effect, what we are saying is that games have a minimal, temporary effect, which is greatly outweighed by the positive benefits. Just like listening to that crazy violent music, like the 1812 Overture wich is often performed with violent weapons!

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Hmm, a poorly done study claiming video games cause violence in children?  Didn't see that coming.

I hadn't even looked at the research, but I had a feeling they didnt control for things like family violence history, genetic influences, or any of the other things that could have an affect on the psyche of a child or adolescent.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

This is why I hate studies on controversial subjects. You can always twist numbers into your favour.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

This is a study that is controversial because of people being complete dumbasses though, so it is worse.  At least abortion has a religious based dispute and the time something is considered alive is quiet difficult to measure.  (I say when higher brain function occurs such as purposeful movement due to stimuli or some reaction to pain.)

Then we have the debate of God existing or not, which is still decently worth while, but too many people think the english bible is a valid bible, but if they would know the language their bible was translated from, they would realize half of it is BS because it was mistranslated.  (Saying same sex marriage is against God's will is incorrect in the new and old testimate are both wrong, it was prositution (maybe rape) and unfaithfulness respectively. [raw hebrew translation shows a more logical connection to that, and linguist who researched it says that is the best they can do, but garentee it says nothing about same sex relations.])

There are things worth and not worth debating though.  Many things have already been found as true or false, while others are only in the point of view of the individual (abortion) or impossible to know (God).

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Why would having a religious base make a dispute any more valid?  Lets put the Bible down and pick up the science book.  It is the year 2008 now.  The Bronze Age is quite over.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

*facepalm* I hate Bible fights.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

As do I. -_- waste of time if you ask me.


Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Agreed.

It's the "adult" equivolent of playing cops and robbers with finger guns.

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Your kidding me, right? 

Abortion: no, there is no dispute that the fetus is alive. None. Zilch. Basic biology would tell you that.  

The Bible: Proof? Your post reminds me of the ridiculous assertion by Muslims that the only way to understand the Koran is to read it in Arabic. It also wouldn't make any sense, since "men of God" slept with prostitutes without any mention of God being pissed at them, which would have to be intentionally skipped over to be missed, especially in the Old Testament, no matter the original language.

In short, your post is rife with ignorance and dubious assertions.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

 Since this little discussion has swung so completely off topic I ask you to continue it in the Off-Topic Forum.   http://forums.theeca.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18  -Toll

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

at what point in time is the fetus alive, if it right when the sperm hits the egg, when it developes a heart, and so on.  There is a good amount of wiggle room buddy.  How many weeks, it is a finite time in all cases, what about complications, and so on.

If you research it, then you would learn a good amount buddy.  The original text is far different from the english translations, especially if you go by any english book other than King James.  The New Living translation is absolute bullswap, and has no research behind it that qualifies it as a reputable translation where it differs or gets more specific than King James.

 

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

I'm not your buddy, friend!.....Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Also, I think that both the sperm and egg cells are alive even before they interact. Yet every time I..."chop some wood"...I end the hundreds of billions of potential lives that could grow up to be doctors, or military generals (or drug dealers; they never say that), or even game-hating attorneys. Does that make me a murderer?

And by the way, Dark Sovereign, who gives a f&$k about Leviticus? A centuries old, supposed "true words of God" document stating that no man can lay with another man, which probably means the same thing about women. It is ancient, narrow-sighted, and obsolete. Yes, there are a few lessons taught that are followed (through ethics, not law) to this day, but not all of them. I may not be gay, but I know that everyone deserves the right to be happy.

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Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

It's not a discussion about Leviticus, per se, but a discussion about the translation of the Bible.

Re: Texas A&M Researcher Disputes New Game Violence Study

Yay bible fight.

The fact is, translation allows flaws to be introduced (even if you believe the bible to be perfect). To minimize the impact you should be reading a study bible with three or four different translations, and when something doesn't make sense get a rough translation of the chapter.

To the other commentors:

Quite frankly, there are a NUMBER of groups claiming to be christian and claiming to act from the bible that aren't. They're making stuff up. Jack Thompson, for instance, flat out insults people that disagree with him. That isn't very Christ like, he isn't following Christ's example, he isn't acting as a Christian (Literally:"Follower of Christ").

One of the HUGE problems with abortion is that it is almost always used after adultery. The absolute minority of cases in 1/100th a percent occur after rape. The other excuses such as "it would hurt the mother" are bullcrap, at least in america. Our medical system is equipped and REQUIRED EVEN IF YOU CAN'T PAY to provide life saving care.

"It would damage the mother's health!" Then why is she having sex and taking that risk? "But it was rape!" Falls into a tiny tiny tiny minority.

"The baby's disabled anyway." You really want to get into eugenics? Last time that happened we had some dumbass raise enough of a force to nearly conquer all of europe.

Regardless, it's a silly argument as long as men aren't held accountable for impregnating a woman-unless they're married then divorce. They should have to pay, right off the top of their paycheck, child support that went into the form of foodstamps, medical credits, etc so that the mother couldn't abuse it. And once the mother remarried or no longer needed it, then the man could possibly be off the hook.

Watch, if you introduce that into a male dominated government, it'll be rejected entirely.

 
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