Missing Gamer Found Dead

November 5, 2008 -

Toronto TV station CP-24 is reporting that missing gamer Brandon Crisp has been found dead.

From the report: 

Police have found the body of missing Barrie-area boy Brandon Crisp... He was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area...

 

A massive search was underway for the teen in Shanty Bay on the Oro Medonte Rail Trail, just outside of Barrie, since his disappearance on Thanksgiving Day.

 

Last week, a second witness confirmed seeing Crisp on the trail the night he disappeared.

CTV spoke with Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of the Barrie Police: 

At this point we believe it to be Brandon, and we're still obviously in the early stages of our investigation, It's not confirmed because nothing's confirmed until we have pathology, but we believe it to be Brandon... [Brandon's parents are] obviously distraught by the information.

On the Facebook group Where is Brandon Crisp? some posters are saying that Brandon's body was discovered by hunters, but that is unconfirmed by police at this point. The London Free Press also reports that Brandon was found by hunters.

UPDATE: The Facebook group has been removed by its moderator, apparently over hurtful remarks being posted.

UPDATE 2: Police are now saying that they don't suspect foul play. CTV quotes Ontario Provincial Police Const. George Silvestri:

Our indication is, at this time, no foul play suspected, but of course we have to examine every possibility... There's absolutely no fear for any residents of Oro-Medonte. This is a safe community.


Comments

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Could sombody just close the comments section(of this article) after 2 flame wars so far

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Bloody hell! This has passed the point of Sado-Beastial Necrophillia and gotten into flat out Rediculousness. It's done, drop it!

 

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I wonder....if he had been 'addicted' to reading the Bible, would it get the same kind of treatment? What about math? What about classic literature?

To be honest, this is just a case of a 15 year old running away from home after an argument and dying of exposure. Some view it as tragic, I suppose.

I am sorry if I don't, but a 15 year old that won't return home when he is freezing to death over such a small argument is either A) Moronic, B) Stubborn as hell, or C) Afraid to return home for some other reason.

Maybe he got lost and froze to death? Once again, it is hard for me to have sympathy for him when he died for such a ludacris reason. I don't weep for people that fall to their death when they don't tie off their rope when bungee jumping and I am not really going to care if a 15 year old storms out of their home and dies from having a drama fit.  Kids dying from cancer, from being beaten to death by their abusive parents, from hunger, from any number of other things is truly tragic. Not this.

Would the world have cared if Brandon did it when he was 18? I seriously doubt it.

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You should go to olganon.org and ask them that question.  Or to any 12 step program enthusiast group, really.  It's fine if they go from spending three hours a day drinking or masturbating to three hours a day in church, even though that's still an addiction.

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Would everyone (Including Amen4u and Austin_Lewis) Stop it, Let's move on for now

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Yes, please. The horse is dead and is beaten beyond recognition We get the point that Amen4u and the rest of us have diffrent viewpoints and we are going to disagree, Thats a given, and we don't need to give those with opposing viewpoints to think we act like a bunch of kids. *looks at  Austin_Lewis*

Brandon Crisp is dead. Weither it was a addiction to a videogame or bad parenting that led him to run away is no longer an issue. The cause of his death, for the time being is, and we won't know that till later. Much later. Maybe, at best a week or two, I think so anyway.

This thread has turned from responses about the death of a boy, to bickering back and forth about defending a hobby. I am guilty of doing this too. I am not blameless. If we keep this up, who is to say thet we are any better than Thompson?

Amen4u, as others have said please stay with us if you wish, I think an alternate viewpoint would be welcome. Heck, I would think Leeland Yee, would be welcome here if he were to post. Yeah, he has a opposing viewpoint that us but he would be more civil than you know who. Even Amen4u is that way.

PHX is right. It's time to move on from this subject at least untill new developments surface.

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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AUSTIN, SHUT THE F*** UP ALREADY!!! JESUS!!! Your insults to Amen4u will get you the BanHammer, and you'll be seeing Tarosan again.

(I'd use big text to emphasize, but I got yelled at for doing it on the Forums and I don't want to get the BanHammer myself.)

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CHILDREN! Calm the bleep down! ALL OF YA!  You are slinging insults around like you are all in Kindergarden! Can we have a little order here?

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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What Cecil said

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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I am not going to get caught up in a fight with you Austin, I wouldn't give two cents for your thoughts, opinions, or comments. 

Nightwng, maybe I was a little harsh on my comments to you, but you really do not have any right to judge Brandon's parents for this tragedy. And although I do not agree with medicating children that have ADHD, I am sure that you probably have your reasons and they are non of my buisness.

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1.  Reread my post.  I SPECIFICALLY stated that I didn't blame him for his death.  I blamed them for his gaining control over them, which led to his running away which I blame them for.  His death was the responsibility of Brandon himself who chose that path, for whatever reason.

2>  Do I look like I care if you look down on my Associates Degree?  Nope.  I do to.  Just like I look down on a lot of decisions I've made over the decades.  I don't even give much value to my Salutatorian medal from high school graduation.  Why?  Because I was only 1 of 15 kids to graduate that year.  Kinda hard to have a large population when you're going to a school for the blind and many kids are being merged into regular public schools. 

3.  Do I claim to be an expert in Parenting?  Nope.  But clear observation of the choices made didn't require a Parent, any more than your observations as a non-Expert in the field of psychology or addiction allowed you discern that Brandon suffered from "Game Addiction" as opposed to "Parental Control".  I'd say my 12 1/2 years of Parenting successes and failures gives me sufficient life experience to develop personal opinion Rights.

4.  Yes, Zachary did take Adderall.  In fact, he started with a different medicine at a very young age.  And when discussing with the doctors and counselor (which I've stated long ago that EVERY child should have, whether they have any problems or not) specific negatives along with positives of the medications.  We discussed giving him the loswest effective doses without turning him to a zombie.  Since each child reacts differently (there's that pesky individuality again), it was a matter of trial and error.  We fine tune it enough to where he's far more focused with a properly chosen med than when he's not on the med.  During a time of adjustment of meds, Adderall was suggested.  We did do proper research and were told if it didn't work out, we'd try something else.  It worked in the very short term, but after several months, Adderall proved a dramatic failure for Zachary.  We kept a close watch on Zachary, so we had a clear idea when things went bad.  He's been changed to a new med which, despite a couple of adjustments, is far better for him.  Indeed, the doctor's office requires a special checkup every six months to continue prescribing the meds.  Works for me.  We keep VERY close tabs on the effectiveness of the meds.

Wanna take a few more shots at me?  How about expanding your research efforts about me, since you want to do so, and search for my ID on both the old GamePolitics (on LiveJournal) and this new GP site and read some of my other long winded posts.

Oh, and by the way, you came here, so you said, to get some insight on what may have happened to Brandon?  Bad choice.  Why?  Not because of our attitudes.  But because, to my knowledge, Brandon didn't hang around here.  You see, he played COD4 online.  His close friends would be among THAT community.  If you wanted REAL insight into what Brandon was thinking, you, like the police and his family, should have gone and looked for his online friends.  They would have been able to give you better insight into Brandon's thinking than people who didn't personally communicate with him.

If your chiild spends lots and lots of time with friends in the library, do you run and ask your local grocer what was going on in the mind of your child if they disappear? 

Nightwng2000

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Let's face it Nightwng, she came here to lie through her teeth about the whole thing.

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I have seen a number of contridictions and hypocriscy from "her".

Most notably is the argument that she didn't come here to debate but to gain insight into Brandon's thoughts.

She spews a diatribe about "Game Addiction".

A debate topic.

She says she wants to gain insight into Brandon's thoughts.

But she doesn't care about our opinions and comments (specifically stated by her).

Not to mention that it's far more unlikely that any long time members here knew him as the community he was reportedly publically associated with was the COD4 XBox Live community, not GP's community.

And, though "her" identity doesn't really matter to me in the long run, "she" refers to her "husband".  But at the very end of one of her posts, the name Joshua (I can't remember the last name) popped up out of the blue.  Who is that?

Is Joshua the poster?  Not a female name.  But we're assuming because they are talking about their "husband" that it must be a woman.  If it's a homosexual couple, no skin off my nose and I couldn't care less, but it leaves an apparent identity crisis to them as we've assumed "she" and there feels something a little misleading going on.  Not that I care about identity, but the character of the individual also does apply, even to a tiny degree.  And faking, as opposed to being anonymous, one's identity leads one to wonder what other deceit is possible.

Still, I take it in stride and counterargue the important points.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Joshua's a poster she was responding to, Nightwng.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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I'm sure you don't care for my opinion, mainly because you can't rebut anything I've said.  God forbid that I tear apart your narrow-minded and idiotic view on the matter.  Of course, it doesn't much matter; all you have to substantiate your version of this story is your husband's alleged work searching for the child (by the by, being a professional Search and Rescuer is like being a Weatherman), and a theory about what happened that isn't substantiated by any research, or any history. 

But what really offends me is that you think you can push your idiotic views on medication on other people and judge them.  Who are you to say that Nightwng is a bad parent because he gave his child the Aderral?  You obviously have no knowledge of medicine, and you don't appear to have any knowledge on the Brandon Crisp story that we don't already have, except a load of unsubstantiated bullshit.

So why is it you don't care about my comments?  Because the logic is pretty near airtight, unlike yours that are based on emotion and an all around lack of knowledge.

By the by, go read up on the Ten Commandments.

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Yes I guess I can be a B@&tch when someone attacts the parenting skills of a dead child. and blames them for his death when he knows absolutley nothing about the family other than what he processed through the media. blogs and threads like this one. I have not given any parenting advice,or casted blame upon anyone,. I only debated the fact that I believe in Gaming addiction and that it contributed to Brandon's death. I also only tried to clarify some facts that were wrong, and shed some light on the situation from closer to home.  I made a single mistake of challenging the gamers on this thread to omit from playing for a period of time and other than what I just posted about Nightwng I have done nothing to warrant your silly statement.the things I've seen you say thus far smack of ignorance born of an understanding of parenting that can only be found from Dr Phil and Maury.  So what education do you have to say these things to Mr. Nightwng

I am no better a parent than anyone else, never claimed to be, never said what I thought Brandon's Parents could do better to prevent their son's death. Maybe I am being over protective but those that want to judge, be prepared to be judged.

 

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Also, saying B@&tch doesn't make it any less offensive.  The word still carries the same meaning, whether you write it as bitch, B@&tch, B1tch, or BITCH.  Grow up.

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OH sorry, didn't know you were the grammer police.

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My my, what intelligence you show with your reply.  I'm not trying to be the 'grammar police' (nice spelling), I'm just pointing out that you're an idiot.  Either grow up enough to say bitch or leave the word out.

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NO

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My my.  With that maturity, I really find it easy to believe what you say and take it as credible.

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I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK, I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. You already voiced your opinion on Canadians, why would I even give you the time of day. GO AWAY  and bug someone else.

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I highly doubt that saying "Go spout your idiocy in Canada, we've had enough of it on the internet" makes him anti-Canadian.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Actually, if you want your 'insider information' from Brandon's father to be accepted as fact, you do.  Because until it is established as fact, it is nothing, not worth entering into the conversation, and, let's face it, you're probably lying about it. 

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Why don't you go learn how to write a paragraph. You Comma freak.

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Heil mein grammar fuhrer. 

Great sentences by the way.  Do you want me to make my sentences shorter so that you can follow them?  Because you're the only one that's bitched about it so far.

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that, and using an at-sign just makes it stand out as an email link

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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well, as nw2k said, the parents could've grounded Brandon for a week or two. They could have cancelled the Xbox Live subscription (the father is the one who signed up, so it's his to cancel) limiting Brandon to the single-player mode until he quits out of boredom. But no, they tried to make him quit cold turkey.

If gaming addiction is as bad is you think, cold turkey is not the way to go.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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Man you guys only read what you want to right. Brandon's parent did try all those things, They didn't work. That is why they took it away from him completely.  The two day, one week thing did not work.

 

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Man you guys only read what you want to right.

so do you, they didn't even try to cancel the Live subscription

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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Look I was not there to follow every single step of how they tried to solve the problem ok. Maybe they did try that, and maybe they didn't. My God why are you doing this. I understand that you gamers get really defensive about gaming and addiction. But come now. Do you have to go as far as that. They did the best they could. They have loss their son, they are devasted and all you want to do is keep blaming them for what they could have done or what they didn't do.

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But here you are, pretending you know what happened better than everyone else and the news sources.

 

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I didn't realize that the dead child had parenting skills.  Sadly, because his parents lacked them, we'll never get to see if he had any. 

Gaming addiction was unlikely to play a role in this event.  Why would I say that, you may ask?  Well, because when you deny an addict their addiction, THEY GO FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. Astounding, to be sure.

You've done nothing to warrant an insult?  You didn't go on a tirade about Nightwng's child?  No?  Really?  Hold on, let me ask my wife if she saw what I did.  Yep, she did.  Do you enjoy insulting people's children?  Do you think that treating people who are bipolar is a bad idea too, asshole?  Should we not give medication like Aderral, Dexadrine, Ritalin, etc. to kids who really need it?  Are you in any way capable of making an intelligent diagnosis on the mental or emotional (or even physical) health of Nightwng's child?  No?  Are you capable of learning about these medications from a source other than wikipedia or webMD (two sites that have terrible information)? Still no? Then l'd shut my fucking mouth were I you.

As for your ridiculous 'omit from playing' challenge, I was recently without power for a week.  My whole family got by just fine.  Hell, I didn't even really change my daily routine; I just had to add in a five minute drive to my BP to get a newspaper every morning, plus another 20 minutes three times during that week so I could get a few hundred dollars' worth of glow sticks to light my house. 

You tried to 'clarify some facts' you say?  Like what?  The only fact I've seen anyone try and clarify thus far was from Yahweh, and I think she's full of shit.  I'm going to trust the news before I trust her, and let's face it, neither of you have anything to add to the conversation.

You didn't cast blame upon anyone?  No?  Who or what do you think 'game addiction' casts blame on?  The game?  The game caused him to run away?  Or are you a 12 step believer, in which case did God give Brandon this addiction to help him find faith?  Was he being tested?

Please Note.  I do not pretend to know what any divine being may or may not be doing.  I'm simply pointing out that Amen4u is an idiot.

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I guess it really makes you feel like a man to use curse words, and hang a parent out to dry when they are not even here to defend themselves, eh Austin, You're  a little boy hidding behind a computor and trying to make yourself look like you actually know what you are saying. You probably have three or four usernames on here just to try and convince everyone that you have support in your mean and evil ways. Well you don't fool me or any other intellegent poster on this thread. May I suggest you seek proffesional help for your many personalites. None which I might add get any respect from me. I wouldn't doubt it for a minute if you were both Austin and Nightwng. Maybe you should be on medication.

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Oh, don't get me wrong.  I'd say the same thing to their faces.  They spent three weeks blaming video games and the online community for a child's death instead of, you know, telling the investigators what was really going wrong in the household that led to this.  Was the Xbox the thing that broke the camel's back?  Certainly.  But was addiction the cause?  I doubt it.

A little boy hiding behind a 'computor'?  Once again, I'd say the same thing in person.

Three or four usernames?  You know who you should ask about that?  Dennis McCauley.  But isn't this your second one Yahweh?

Actually, I have 12 usernames, Yahweh and Amen4u being two of them, and this has been a discussion with myself.  Tons of fun. (Please, note my sarcasm).

I think its interesting that the 'intelligent poster's on this thread have actually seen through your bullshit and the fact that none of your facts match.  You are one of a variety of things.

You could be

1) A troll (you're certainly unintelligent enough for it)

2) A pathological liar looking for an audience

3) One of those Olganon idiots looking to spread disinformation

4) One of that rare breed of asshole who delights in feeling like they're important by making up information about a big news event.

No matter what, I know you're a liar.

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So, for me, when it comes down to "blame", I really DO place his running away at the feet of the Parents.  It may not be a popular stance, but then, I'm not looking to be popular

Nightwng

Since your post I did a little research on you, you really got my back up with this one and though it may not be appropriate, and I oppologize to the other members and Dennis for this inappropriate post,  you are in no position to give advice on this matter.

Since when does your Technical Community College degree in Business Computer Programming give you the right to give parenting advice. Or is it those prior life experiences that caused your emotional difficulties to give you the right to cast blame on Brandon's parents. 

You have no business giving parental advice, you do not have a degree in anything related to parenting. Your precious son Zach is 12 and is on medication for ADHD - a stimulant medication. Have you done the research on Adderal ?-MR research. 

Lets pray that Zach doesn't develop extreme psychological dependence, severe social disability or extreme fatigue and mental depression. The drug is dangerous, but oh ya, you did the research right.

Seems to me that your parenting skills and controlling your child has resorted to medicating. Shame on you

You know nothing about the situation first hand, you were not here, you do not know Brandon, nor do you know his parents.  But let me assure you that if Zach ever goes missing You will be the first person I blame.

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Quite the little bitch, aren't you?  Nevermind that many children WORLD WIDE are on medication for ADHD, ADD, Depression, or some other problem they may or may not have, or that in the 90's those diseases were so over-diagnosed that it's hard to get accurate statistics on what portion of the population had any of those diseases, have a stab at insulting him and his opinion.

Since you're going to have a go at Nightwng, you might as well have a dose of your own medicine; many of the things I've seen you say thus far smack of ignorance born of an understanding of parenting that can only be found from Dr Phil and Maury.  So what education do you have to say these things to Mr. Nightwng?

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Can someone please tell me who Simon Roberts is? Or the Mamonth Industry

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OOOOhhhhh.... SimonBob.  The Mammoth Industry is the name of his blog.  Click "The Mammoth Industry" as it is a link to his blog.

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OOOOhhhhh.... SimonBob.  The Mammoth Industry is the name of his blog.  Click "The Mammoth Industry" as it is a link to his blog.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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Double post, FAIL, haha. (I hate when that happens...)
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:: Grabs Zippy and starts beating the computer with him. ::

I can tell, most times, when it's going to happen.  I hit the "Post Comments" button and the screen kinda jumps but doesn't actually appear to be posting.  Then I hit it again, and sometimes I'll end up with one post, sometimes two.

It did it twice last night, but not yet this morning.  I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end or on GP's.  I know this rinky dink computer i'm using right now has problems on a regular basis.  Still, it's annoying.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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**Watches Zippy being used as a hammer** I'm just gonna enjoy my coffee

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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In what context did this come up?  Searching now.

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:: Somehow got double posted. ::

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Since this did turn into an argument over "blame", I'll throw in with what I've already said before:

I DO blame the Parents.

It's established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with school work.

It's established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with socializing.

It's established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with his sleep habits.

It's established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with his overall personality and attitudes towards others.

This took place over a period of time, not just 1 or 2 days or even a mere week.

Who was in control here?  Brandon or his Parents?

His Parents, upon the very first sign of a problem, could have said "straighten up, or you're grounded for 2 days from the game".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

His Parents, upon the second sign of a problem, could have said "straighten up, or the TV/Computer comes out of your room".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

His Parents, upon the third sign of a problem, could have said "if you don't straighten up this time, the game will be sold".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

The Parents didn't take control, so they lost control.

Would I blame them, or anything, for his death?  No.  He made his own choices.

Would I blame them for his running away.  Yes.  They could have prevented the situation from reaching this point in the first place.  Was it "addiction", "obssession", or just the game equivilant of a "book you can't put down"?  Probably.  But not because of the game.  It was because the Parents didn't act like Parents and say "Put it down and eat/sleep/socialize/do some other activity/stop screwing up your eduction/etc or else" from the very first sign of a problem, the second sign, the third sign.  No, they waited til the situation was WAAAAY out of control.

Ya know what?  I'm a Parent too.  Not every individual, kid or adult, responds the same way.  But I tell you this, my son does get grounded from the things he likes best.  And he has other things that fill in that time.  He'd rather be doing his favorite things, but he's been made to diversify.  MADE to by me, his Parent.

And those studies?  Need I go into a long drawn out post yet again about my opinions regarding the incomplete, incompetantly performed studies that take out the most important part being studied: the individual?

You're right about one thing:  The law sucks big time.  Would his online friends have been able to help any more than folks offline?  We'll never know now, will we?  The Parents and the police did all they could to alienate a resource, his online friends, and didn't take advantage of what he may have shared over time with them.  No, it was much better to slam them and put them down.  And let's just keep doing it because we need something to smoke screen the REAL reason Brandon ran away:  The Parents allowed the situation to reach the place it went and that left Brandon feeling the need to leave, whatever his intent at the moment of leaving really was.

Perhaps some folks are right.  Individuals need to take a Parenting course and earn a license before they can have kids.  You want to scream "do the research"?  How about there were plenty of resources for the Parents to research how to use the equipment, such as the Parental Controls of the XBox360.  Or how there are lots of resources to learn about the ratings system.  Or how to find out about various games, online games and offline games.  How about the various resources on how to deal with kids who become focused on single things and don't diversify their interests?  How about resources helping Parents raise teens? 

We take the time to research insurance for our kids.  We research foods that we may feed our kids.  If we have kids and we can drive or if we plan on helping our kids choose their first car, we do research on vehicles with them in mind.  We research the schools we send them to.  We research where we will live, more so than when we are alone without kids.  We do a lot of research on everything else.  But we don't actually do thorough research on the media and products associated with the media that we expose our kids to.  While I wouldn't decree that certain products are inappropriate for other people's kids, I'd say it's important for Parents to do proper, balanced and complete research so that they can make well informed decisions for themselves and their children.  I've been known to even include resources that I wouldn't use myself simply because another individual may consider the resource more appropriate for them.

So, for me, when it comes down to "blame", I really DO place his running away at the feet of the Parents.  It may not be a popular stance, but then, I'm not looking to be popular.

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Dude, seriously GTFO.

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