Missing Gamer Found Dead

November 5, 2008 -

Toronto TV station CP-24 is reporting that missing gamer Brandon Crisp has been found dead.

From the report: 

Police have found the body of missing Barrie-area boy Brandon Crisp... He was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area...

 

A massive search was underway for the teen in Shanty Bay on the Oro Medonte Rail Trail, just outside of Barrie, since his disappearance on Thanksgiving Day.

 

Last week, a second witness confirmed seeing Crisp on the trail the night he disappeared.

CTV spoke with Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of the Barrie Police: 

At this point we believe it to be Brandon, and we're still obviously in the early stages of our investigation, It's not confirmed because nothing's confirmed until we have pathology, but we believe it to be Brandon... [Brandon's parents are] obviously distraught by the information.

On the Facebook group Where is Brandon Crisp? some posters are saying that Brandon's body was discovered by hunters, but that is unconfirmed by police at this point. The London Free Press also reports that Brandon was found by hunters.

UPDATE: The Facebook group has been removed by its moderator, apparently over hurtful remarks being posted.

UPDATE 2: Police are now saying that they don't suspect foul play. CTV quotes Ontario Provincial Police Const. George Silvestri:

Our indication is, at this time, no foul play suspected, but of course we have to examine every possibility... There's absolutely no fear for any residents of Oro-Medonte. This is a safe community.


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What PHX said. Sorry if it seemed like we were talking to you.

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We didn't mean it, Shobidoo said somthing stupid so they are only telling Shobidoo to leave, not you

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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*FACEPALM*

That sucked. Seriously.

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The news report tonight at 6:00 reported that the 7 hour long autopsy is still inconclusive. But They have confirmed that it was Brandon by dental records.  They also said that many hunters in the area were suspecting they might come accross Brandon's body in the upcoming weeks of hunting season.  The Hunters that found Brandon were a group of family members and freinds out on a family hunting trip.

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There's the possibility, even if nobody would expect it, that a deeper problem underneath stacked with puberty might be present.

 Of course there could have been, but again there might not have been.

according to the principal Brandon didn't have attendance issues until when he disappeared. This contradiction is confusing and makes it hard to increase our insight in the situation, would you perhaps know what the cause of the contradiction is?
The article in question is
http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697

Sorry I can not make a comment on what the pricipal said, I can only make a comment on what the Father told my Husband. And that Brandon was starting to skip school to stay home and play COD4.

And of course I am greiving, as so many others that have had this incident touch their hearts. I am not greiving any more or any less than anyone else. I am experiencing my own grief of a young child that was missing, that my husband assisted in the search, and now found dead. The entire world has been following this story since Brandon's diappearance. Our Family has been directly involved through the search efforts, and I am an aquaintance of Angelika through a previous job I held at a sister paper that she works for. I also still have close personal friends that work at the paper she works at.

My Husband and I have the same desires in life. We choose to do the things that might make a difference in peoples lives. My husband's job is helping others and put his life in danger for others. I myself raise money for Charity- mainly Children's hospitals. We are very compassionate people and yes we are Grieving. I also cry watching a sad movie- anything wrong with that?

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Shadow D. Darkman,
 

No I do not know Liz Wooley and no I am not her. But I will be watching the local news in 15 minutes for updates on Brandon.

Shadow, I only shared that story because when it comes to suicide there is no telling what a person might do, bring, say or not say, or leave or not leave a note. My sister-in -law was a beautiful young girl 18 years of age and no indication that she would commit suicide. She was fun loving, athletic, plenty of friends, and very outgoing. It was a SHOCK to all of us. And she did not display any underlying reason. She did not appear depressed, upset, or troubled.

 

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Actually, I never figured you WERE Liz, I was only wondering if you knew her.

BTW, my condolences on your sister-in-law.

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Regarding us not posting good riddance, when you posted you'd leave I myself was quite tempted to try to get some bashes in, try to criticize you heavily, act on some of my frustrations, make comments about what's required for an actual debate and things like that, hurtful comments. And every time I felt the urge, I resisted it, told myself not to. As they say, before you speak, think. Is it necessary? Is it true? Is it kind? Will it hurt anyone? Will it improve on the silence?

I chose silence.

 

There are three things I'd like to say for now, the first is the repeating of a question others asked before as well, which easily could have gotten lost in the myriad of posts and replies around here. You say Brandon started skipping school, however, in an article posted about in his second and third post on this page (the first used a tone I am uncomfortable with, please ignore that one), it said that according to the principal Brandon didn't have attendance issues until when he disappeared. This contradiction is confusing and makes it hard to increase our insight in the situation, would you perhaps know what the cause of the contradiction is?
The article in question is http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697

Second, from personal experiences I can tell you that the trigger of a fight and running away don't necessarily have to be the full cause. There's the possibility, even if nobody would expect it, that a deeper problem underneath stacked with puberty might be present. So even when the parents say, or think, there's no underlying reason present, this still might be the case. Unfortunately I can't go into details, it would not be right for me to talk here about parts of my private life that I still haven't properly coped with in real life.

Third, this might be intrusive from me but it appears to me as if you have heavily emphasized with Brandon's mother, to the point where, partially due to your relation to the search team, you've become so involved that the case and Brandon's death have affected you nearly as much as his family. As a result, you seem to have a lot of grief. I won't use that as an argument pro or contra your words and acts, but I would like to express my concerns about you and my hope that you will be able to find a way to cope with your grief, by counseling, help from friends, talking to specific people or any other way. I'm hardly an expert on that area so I wouldn't be able to tell what the best way is, but I'm rather concerned, the last thing we want is for someone to heavily suffer emotionally from this loss even more than they already have.

Sincerely,
Michael Chandra

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Wow, I cannot think of what to say. Amen4u, do you happen to know the name Liz Wooley?

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Shadow D. Darkman,

I seriously hope you don’t mean to imply that Amen4u and Liz Wooley conduct themselves in the same manner.

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Not at all, I was wondering if she knew about Liz.

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http://photos.thebarrieexaminer.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=630344&CategoryID=0&thisPage=2&ListSubAlbums=0

 I have provided a link to some photos that were taken to the are Brandon was found. My husband has confirmed that the corn field next to this area was searched, they were so close. But it would not have mattered in finding him alive. It is a blessing that Hunters found his body. Most missing persons are eventually found by hunters, they usually go in places where deer and Moose hide. A little deeper and thicker in the woods. I have no idea how Brandon ended up here, but I would like to  share  a personal story again:

27 years ago last month my best friend who was also my sister in Law committed suicide. She was 18 years old, She took the family car, a rope, some food and her schetch pad, she was an artist. She had driven out to a remote place in the woods, a family piece of Property that was planted with thousands of Christmas trees. It was the most beautiful spot overlooking the water high on a cliff. We had spent that summer together pruning the trees and she had said that someday she would like to build her home there. It was her favorite piece of property that her father owned. This property was so far out of the way and surrounded by thick woods, that only the people that new of this location would ever venture in. When she went missing, her father kneeled down and asked God for some guidance on where his little girl may be. After praying he felt compelled to drive to his property where he found his daughter hanging from a tree over the cliff. She had packed a lunch, shetched the scenery, locked the car doors and put the keys in her pocket. Climbed fifty feet in the tree and hung herself. It was the most unsettling thing we had ever experienced. To this very day we still have unanswered questions. Why would she pack a lunch? Why would she lock the car and take the keys? Why didn't she leave a note? How the hell did she get up that tree? There is no rhyme nor reason when one takes their own life. A full investigation was done to the possibility of murder but they concluded that she took her own life.  I am not looking for sympathy, I just wanted to share a personal story that when someone contemplated suicide they do things that are not rational.

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The only videogame angle that was brought in was from the parents themselves, who may, again, I'm only saying "may", have been subconciously looking for a defense mechanism.

I think that we are all missing the point here. The problems that Steve and Angelika Crisp were having with Brandon were the issues surrounding his compulsive behaviour with this COD4 video game. Brandon was spending every waking hour playing this game, he wouldn't even stop to eat dinner. He started skipping school, taking money from the house and neglecting his social life outside of gaming. The Crisps had taken the game away from him several times, for two or three days  at a time but Brandon would find the game and resume playing. Angelika would wake up in the middle of the night to find Brandon playing at three and four in the morning after she assumed that Brandon was asleep. The Crisps tried to deter their son's attention  away from this game, their final straw was to get rid of the game completely and indefinately.

When My husband was filled in at the search on the particulars of the situation, it was discussed that he may have runaway and committed suicide due to the fact that this game was completely removed from his life at home. His only source of feeding his compulsive behaviour. There was no other way for him to continue with this other than at home.  It was obvious that the game was very much a bondage in Brandon's life.

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My point was that this information you got was from the parents while they were already distressed. I can honestly say that my parents could say the same about me and watching TV, however it wasn't a constant thing. Finding me watching TV real late at night one month, grounding me from watching TV another time and catching me sneaking watching it later. In other words they may have exagerated the situation. Taken all at once, these things would sound very serious, but to a kid, getting up late at night and playing a game doesn't seem that big.

While I'm not saying that he didn't do these things, I'm mearly suggesting that these things could seem much worse when two or three years of ancedotal evidence is presented all at once by a distressed parent. We will likely know more when the media circus starts interviewing friends... but to tell the truth, I think they should just let them mourn in piece.

Personally, it is sad when anyone passes from this world. However, I always wind up seeing things from other perspectives. There are so many people in this world dying every day, in every country, that are dying for no better reasons then Brandon. When seen in this heartless light, you could possibly see why some people are more cynical in their responses. While not politically or socially correct, a lot of the comments on this page are saying "One teenager died in another country by doing something of his own free will. What makes this more important then a car full of teens that died in a traffic accident right down the road from me?"  This is likely why they take offense that this person is given multinational attention and people they knew pass without a wimper.

I had a classmate in highschool. He was in a car accident. He hadn't been hurt but the other person in the car was. While trying to flag down help (this was long before cell phones) another car hit him and killed him. We didn't find out about it for months because when I was growing up no one talked about death in school for fear of kids suiciding (stupid, but that was the way they thought in the country). In my opinion, it was a much nobler death then many we hear about, including teens driving in cars way too fast, drinking and driving, even being hit in a cross fire. And yet almost no one knows his story. So I can also feel the animosity that some here show when they hear of someone who died because they left home of their own free will. Then everyone hears bout them, huge sums of money offered for information, around the clock news coverage... it feels as if this person was worth more then others that have died.

Also, the reason that many here reject the idea of game addiction ,at least I think this is why many of them do, is because we are immersed in games constanty, and yet for whatever reason we have to stop playing for a while, it is only a minor annoyance. It wasn't too long ago that I stopped playing for almost a month, it was because I had too many things on my plate at that time. I had games to play, but other things were more important. This is the difference between cocaine and heroine. If you take someone who and regularly inject them with cocaine against their will, they will become addicted, whether they want to or not. When you stop, their body will have withdrawl symptoms, even though they never wanted the cocaine in the first place. The same with any physiological addiction. However, with gambleing, shoplifting, video games, the addiction isn't physiological. The vast majority of people, can routinely play games and not have any withdrawl from stopping. The withdrawl from these kinds of things is entirely mental.

The people who claim that it is as bad as physiological withdrawl have never experienced both. It is similar to a man getting kicked between the legs and saying it was as bad a pain as childbirth. These are two pains that no one person has felt both of. Both are considered some of the highest degrees of pain either can experience. And yet, a woman would be mortally insulted if a man compared the pain of childbirth to the pain of getting kicked between the legs (and likely would be willing to kick him between the legs to demonstrate). In this same way, people who have gone through drug withdrawl are mortally insulted when someone compares what they have gone through to gambling withdrawl or video game withdrawl.

The defensive stances a lot of us drop into here are simply because we often see people turn these cases, where even if the kid WAS addicted to video games, into a general "Games are evil" bandwagon. For an example of this, please check out the article about Vaz the MP in Britain. A single, non-industry, shock-jerk (like a shock-jock, but just doing rude things to have people notice them) made a politically incorrect game about suicide bombing. He even asked for people to e-mail him to tell him if any news places talk about his game. Vaz is attempting to use this old, politically incorrect game in order to increase laws against inductry made retail games. His "solution" would have no effect on the kinds of games he is using as examples and we find it hard to think he doesn't already know this. That is why most of us attack the concept of Game Addiction. Most of us don't believe it is a problem because we aren't affected and though game regularly we have no problems stopping when we have to. We see the addiction angle as a tool that some people use to villafy our hobby. And we regularly have peopl come in here which only attempt to attack us or try and make us feel bad about our hobby. The way I see it, I spend much less then the people with other hobbies around me, fishing, music, shoot even sporting events and rock concerts. It let's me connect with other people and spend time with my wife (who is a casual gamer, loves the Lego series of games). We get together in parties (just had one Nov 1st-2nd) where we meet new friends, rock out on Rock Band, and run around virtual environments shooting eachother.

This comunity has a wide variety of people in it, just like most communities after a certain size. And in any large enough sample you will hae people in it you disagree with, people you agree with, and people you just don't get. Most here are at least willing to debate on topics they disagree with, but until you are here for a while, many topics with views such as yours are posted by hit-and-run trolls. The main difference is that you stuck around to continue a dialog.

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"According to the brief television report the body of the missing boy was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area.A blue-checkered jacket, tent, crackers and full bag of chips were found on the trail on Oct. 24. No other details were given and police have yet to confirm the information."

This report founded that it was in no relation to Brandon, he did not bring a tent, and didn't have a blue checkered jacket. As far as the tootbrush and other things Brandon packed, yes it did sound like he was going to friends overnight, not things he would bring to spend out in the bush overnight. When My husband spoke to Brandon's father he told my husband that due to the things that Brandon had packed in his nap sack it was evident that he was planning to stay overnight somewhere. People who contemplate suicide do not make rational decisions.  And please do not get me wrong, I am not confirming his death was suicide. Anything is still open for conclusion. My Husband and I were discussing this last night again and I brought the possibility of Brandon being accidently shot by hunters, and them not realizing that they shot him. A bullet can travel a fair distance. We are all just waiting for the autopsy report which is being done today.

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And I admit I've perhaps been a bit crueler then is my usual and for that I apoligise. (I have some experience with a family member disappearing and later being found dead so bad memories I guess.) 

I too have had experience with family and close friends disappearing, as well as family members committing suicide.  One thing that I would like to share is that because of the work and search and rescue that my Husband is involved in, I get emotionally involved in each case that he is called to participate in. 90% of the time the person is found dead. He did have two cases this summer that the people were found alive.  Each time we get the call, usually in the middle of the night, my worry and concern over the missing person begins. Even though I do not know most of these people we are directly involved, it is like my husband is put into a position of great responsibility to search for these people and find them alive.  He is also a full time firefighter and is responsible for saving lives. 

The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon's body. "You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said.

My Husband has plenty of experience in search and rescue and most of these missing persons are like looking for a needle in a hay stack. I can assure you that every effort was put into searching for Brandon once an area was determined to search. Many of you only have the reports on media coverage to go by. I assure you that everyday that my husband left this house he spent endless  hours in the search and returned home dirty, wet, and extremely exhausted. The bike that was found, was not actually found in the location of the sites being searched . The bike was given to police after a lady phoned police and said she found the bike on the trail. Apparently her son found the  bike and brought it home, repaired the flat tires, and put the chain back on. The women could not pinpoint the exact location of where she alleged that she had found the Bike. It was several days later that she admitted that her son had found the bike and repaired it.

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I want to thank you for all your kind postings. I wasn't going to come back today, but I am glad I did. I was expecting a GOOD RIDENCE posting by many, but was very touched by the reponses I read.

Like I said in one of my earliest postings, I came here before Brandon was found searching for some kind of insight that maybe would lead to his wearabouts.  I would like to thank Dennis for all his time and effort on covering this in GP.

I am going to try and respond to everyones comments;

Yahweh/Amen4u is little different in that regard in that she insinuates that we're all addicted, then turns around and insists she never called us addicted; generalizes the behavior of the most poorly behaved posters to all of us; repeats the same copied information over and over rather than respond to arguments that refute it; and so on.

I never came here to argue or debate anything, I never intended to imply that all of you were addicted. You were so defensive about gaming and that it was next to impossible for anyone to be addicted without an underlying reason that I challenged you to stop playing for a period of time and see how you would cope. I should not have done that.

The copied information was repeated twice because I thought that I had been removed, I then signed in under a different name to see if I could post the information again. I again didn't see my post so I contacted Dennis and he explained to me that the post was there I just had to go to next page because of the glinch in the system. I oppologize.

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I'm still going over my old rss feed, and came across something posted just before this article. I think it was kotaku:

"According to the brief television report the body of the missing boy was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area.A blue-checkered jacket, tent, crackers and full bag of chips were found on the trail on Oct. 24. No other details were given and police have yet to confirm the information."

According to someone previous in this thread, the kid also packed a toothbrush. The fact that he wasn't heading over to a friends house to play made some people who were fixated on videogame addiction suspect that he was going out to commit suicide. However, he took all the things he thought he would need to survive, not to die. It looks like he was just planning to camp out for a day or two, they said he loved the outdoor survival shows. A toothbrush isn't something I would take if I was planning on killing myself, or a tent for that matter.

While not trivalizing his death, I think too many people are latching on to his fathers description of the events. Any father in his position would be feeling imense guilt, but all we here is the parents blaming the addiction. To tell the truth, it seems more of a defense mechanism. Unfortunately we can no longer hear from Brandon himself on what was happening, but I think there was more then one side to this story. These other people here that are saying that Brandon was absolutely addicted to games never knew him, never even met him, they heard about it from the parents after Brandon was already dead and the parents were already in a state of despair, grasping at straws. No one has the other side of the story now, and to tell the truth, it doesn't really matter what the truth was anymore. It is already too late. By the time they started looking for him, it was already too late.

There are lots of people who stated that it was all the games fault, and others that have stated it was all the parents fault, I think only one actually stated it was Brandon's fault. To start off, we are speaking of a 15 year old boy. According to the time table, he started misbehaving around 12 years old. While the parents blame this on video games, I'm afraid that children starting to misbehave around 12 years old has been going on for some time now. It has been blamed on everything from comics, rock and roll all the way back to the influence of those damn Romans across the street. As for him running away from home, think back to your own childhood. While not everyone of you ran away from home around 15, most of you did, whether it was for 2 hours or 2 days. It is extremely common. Perhaps your parents didn't like your music, your friends or your hairstyle, it doesn't matter. The point is that young men go through changes at that period of time, and many do attempt to run away from home, even if only for a short while.

What I'm trying to say is that some people are trying to paint this as a horrible decent into madness and despair, when it really seems this was a common enough happening all over the world. The only difference seems to be that Brandon overestimated his ability to stay outside overnight. I say this not as an insult, no one should get their hackles up by claiming that I am belittling the situation. This is just what the details that were released seem to fit together. The only videogame angle that was brought in was from the parents themselves, who may, again, I'm only saying "may", have been subconciously looking for a defense mechanism.

I hope that I have covered this in a respectful enough manner that both side can read this through.

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From the article Smokey linked in the shoutbox:

The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon's body. "You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said.

I bring this up because a few people were complaining that the cops and parents were focusing too much on the Xbox and Brandon's account information, and not enough on actually searching.  However, several of us maintained that it could be extremely difficult to find anyone in the area surrounding Barrie, and unfortunately, we were right.

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You know, enough is enough, I do not want to debate this any more. I know that I am not welcome here, and maybe some of you are right, it is time for me to leave. I never intended to come here and debate anything. Like many others I was hurting inside and was trying to make some sense over Brandon's disappearnce and gaming addiction. If one thing I have learned through this site It's we must all educate ourselves to the potential dangers of gaming addiction and take it more serious so we don't find ourselves in the same situation as the Crisp Family.

I hope none of you ever have to experience a loss related to gaming addiction.

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No, we all need to be a part of our kid's lives, talk with them about any problems no matter what they may be, and listen to them when they need someone to talk to.  If it isn't one thing, it is another ma'am.  Teenagers are teenagers, they need someone to talk to and someone to fight with to work out their frustrations with life. 

Coming into a realization into what this world is isn't easy.  Teenagers definitely get caught up in a lot of stupid things, like populatiry, and don't see what really matters.  Having someone to talk to, such as their parents, about what they went through in their teenage years can definitely be helpful.  Life is life, and we all make mistakes.  No one is perfect, and you shouldn't hide your mistakes and mistakes you have seen happen right in front of your from your kids.  It can only help them learn from those experiences.

Though you didn't grow in in the computer age, there is normally at least something that can relation to whatever situation your child is in, at least in some small way.  Even if you do fully understand what they are going through, they will not believe you and say that you don't.  All you can really do is say "Well, either way, I will always love you, and be here for you no matter what you need.  Even if I don't understand, I am willing to listen.  Sometimes it just makes things easier to be able to talk them out with someone." And that is being a good parent.

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The hardest part for me with your posts Amen4u is you have been solely focused on this thread.  Many of us in this community, including myself, have been very concerned for Brandon's well being and hoped he would be found unharmed.  This story has been covered heavily on GP (I think there have been 7 stories so far).  Yes, you will find those who are crass here just as you would anywhere, however that isn't 'us'.  I feel the moderators are a true measure of the people in general on this site (EZK and Dennis).

*sigh* Jack Thompson came in here with venom and vitrol declaring that video gamers were all the anti-christ and video games were the devil incarnate.  Most of us here want to defend our hobby and simply wish to not be villified.  I guess what I'm trying to say is most of us here are sorry we've lost a gamer in our very large community.  We are very sorry and sympathetic to the loss.  Since you were very close to the situation it is obviously going to affect you more than most of us posting here in the forums.  Please understand we are all human beings here simply trying to explain our point of view philisophically and logically.

My sincerest condolences to the Crisp family and thanks to all the support you and your husband have given to them during their time of need.

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"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

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It's not that you are not welcome. But this is a site where we can and will discuss and debate (Sometimes heated to volcanic intensity). And I admit I've perhaps been a bit crueler then is my usual and for that I apoligise. (I have some experience with a family member disappearing and later being found dead so bad memories I guess.) We as a whole enjoy debating over things, but after years of people like Thompson trying to push their own agenda, we are perhaps overly sensitive about it. I am truly sorry about Brandon's death, but until the investigation is over, there is truly no point in declaring that it was "This" or "That" that was the cause of it. That being said, You are more then wlecome to come back.

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Ma'am. We are all going to lose someone. Family, friends, loved ones. alcohol related, drug related, accident related, negelect related, and even because he or she is old, and it's just time. I lost my Grandmother last year. Dad thinks she 'willed' herself to die on a certen date, like quite a few people in the family have. I don't know about that, other than, she had lived a long life and it was her time.

Brandon was only fifteen. He had many many years ahead of him. It does hurt to see that it turned out this way. I really did hope that he would be found, alive, or he would return home. I had hoped this even after every passing day and every passing week that went by without any word from him.

I'm sorry he is dead. I wish I could have helped. But as I said before, being where I live, makes it impossible.

Edit: Yeah, you are welcome here. Sorry for sounding harsh earlier. Thats what I get for staying up late. I get cranky

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As an observer of all this, I would concur with Andrew, and add that just because we don't agree with a lot of things you say doesn't mean you're not welcome. In fact, it's the opposite...

Try to understand - we're used to having to deal with people like Jack Thompson (if you don't know him, look at the Bar Trial Series here on GP) and more recently, Liz Wooley (with whom we tend to be more sympathetic but nevertheless we get a lot of vitriol from her). A lot of us instinctively get angry when people bring up game addiction because usually the only people who do it are lunatics and/or deluded like those two. It's a bit of a shock to the system when someone such as yourself, who is clearly in disagreement with some of our beliefs but doesn't act like a two year old, comes along. I mean, damn, in your last post, you conceded that you learned something. You don't need to earn anyone's respect here, but you have anyway. We need more people like you around - so we can have actual discussions between people on different sides of the fence without someone having to play Devil's Advocate.

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A lot of us instinctively get angry when people bring up game addiction because usually the only people who do it are lunatics and/or deluded like those two.

Actually I'd say we get angry because the people bringing it up because those people are usually treating us poorly, refusing to engage in real debate, and so forth. Yahweh/Amen4u is little different in that regard in that she insinuates that we're all addicted, then turns around and insists she never called us addicted; generalizes the behavior of the most poorly behaved posters to all of us; repeats the same copied information over and over rather than respond to arguments that refute it; and so on.

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Well, I've enjoyed talking with you and I say you're welcome to post here any time you like.

 

Take care,

Andrew Eisen

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Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason. It was his addiction that was causing him to miss school, steal money and neglect his health. My God, Brandon was pratically living off crackers. He wouldn't even take  the time to eat a proper meal. 

 

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Because it's so obvious that he may not have been "addicted".

And besides that, you totally ignored my post that had links to two articles, one of them with a quote from the principal of his school:

In another article(http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697): St. Joseph’s Catholic Secondary School principal Matt McCann said Brandon was a good student, without attendance issues, until he left home over a week ago.

And the principal would know since he has access to his permanent record. So it sounds to me like he wasn't "addicted" as you claim.

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Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason.

Instead of just reading the out-of-context highlights from wikipedia, try reading the article itself.

 

Like compulsive gambling, video game addiction is said to be an impulse control disorder
 
(Impulse control disorder is a set of psychiatric disorders including intermittent explosive disorder (hot-headedness), kleptomania (stealing), pathological gambling, pyromania (fire-starting), trichotillomania (pulling one's hair out) and dermatillomania (skin picking). The onset of these disorders usually occurs between the ages of 7 and 15.[1] Impulsivity, the key feature of these disorders, can be thought of as seeking a small, short term gain at the expense of a large, long term loss.
Impulse control disorders are considered to be part of the obsessive-compulsive disorder spectrum.[2]
The essence of emotional self-regulation is the ability to delay impulse control in the service of goal.)
Dr. Brody, head of the media committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry[21], puts forth that the addiction to computer games can be caused by psychological problems such as antisocial personality disorder, depression, and phobias such as social phobia.

 

If those don't sound like an underlying reason to you, then I don't think you know what the phrase means. If Brandon had never picked up a game in his life, it is likely that it would have been something else he became addicted to.

How about actually following some of the references through, you'll see that they don't all conclude gaming addiction is real and those that do believe it to be a psychological condition (in other words an underlying reason, and one that is treatable)

If you are not putting time into hobbies and interests, [life] would be pretty boring,” said Dr. Stuart Gitlow, an AMA delegate representing the American Society of Addiction Medicine. “If it wasn’t an addiction with baseball, model trains and cars, then it isn’t with video games.”

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? I began to read the current research on internet and gaming addiction - but found very few answers.? Despite the reports of internet and gaming addiction becoming common in the mainstream media - rigorous research is moving slowly.? Mostly its hampered by difficulties in the application of the concept of ‘addiction’ to behavioural compulsions such as a gambling and gaming.? ? Even in clearly pathological cases of compulsive behaviour - where the compulsive behaviour completely takes over the life of the individual - it’s difficult to isolate gaming itself as the cause of the problem - as opposed to simply being an effect of other deap seated psychological problems (depression, anxiety and the like).? They conclude in the main that there simply isn’t enough empirical data to support the claim that these games are addictive.

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Professor Griffiths said: "Although these gamers show some signs of addiction, our results do not conclusively show that the gamers are genuinely addicted.

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"there is currently insufficient research to definitively conclude that video game overuse is an addiction,"

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Dr. Michael Brody, head of a TV and media committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, agreed. He praised the AMA council for bringing attention to the problem, but said excessive video-game playing could be a symptom for other things, such as depression or social anxieties that already have their own diagnoses.

“You could make lots of behavioral things into addictions. Why stop at video gaming?” Brody asked. Why not Blackberries, cell phones, or other irritating habits, he said.

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"Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason."

Simple.  An addiction to anything with no underlying reason just flat out doesn't make any sense.  There's always a reason.  With drugs it certainly could be as simple as a physical dependency but because you cannot develop a physical dependency to playing a video game, it has to be something else.

 

Andrew Eisen

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 Andrew

No underlying reason for Brandon's affixiation to COD4. Just  a kid that got addicted to games. You don't have to have underlying issues to become addicted to something. Playing games is a natural part of growing up. It’s one way that kids learn to socialize and compete. Computer and online games, in most instances, are no more dangerous than other games that kids play. But sometimes, computer and online games become more than just play. They become an addiction. And when they become an addiction, a child’s psychological and physical well-being may be in jeopardy.

 Did you know that playing video games activates the Bengali portion of the brain. The region that releases dopamine. This is the region of the brain that is  also affected by cocaine. It’s the chemical released when one is taking cocaine. Dopamine is also the chemical released when you’re having sex. . It is extremely addictive.

And just because some of us can handle drinking in moderation doesn't mean that alcoholism doesn't exist. And I never once said I was in here asking you to answer for Brandon's addiction?JoshuaOrrizonte .

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As someone who was in psychology for more than a few years and have treated people before.  While dopamine is rather addictive, the reason you start doing whatever to get addicted to sex or playing video games is normally depression, which is an underlying cause.  You have to follow the trail all the way back, not just to the next bread crumb.

This depression could have been caused by so many things.  A girl he liked said she hated him, him and a close friend no longer getting along, parents having a rough time in their relationship, his parents and him not getting along, death of someone close to him, stress from expectations of the parents, being bullied at school, and so many countless more.

Gambling addiction is the same thing, releases the same chemicals, but only when in the right mind set, and normally only in a depressed mind set does dopamine actually cause someone to become addicted.  If they are down, it gives them that rise for a short while.  If everything is going great in your life, you wont notice that rise as much, and are far less likely to become addicted to it.  Granted, there is a small population that excrete too much dopamine in these situations, and it could be triggered by puberty.  In that case, there would have been signs far earlier, and then the cause is not video games still, it is a genetic problem where during puberty his dopamine levels increased during times of excretion.

If the parents noticed he was starting to become addicted when or shortly after he started puberty, then it should have been addressed then, but at the age of 14, he should have been well on his way through it, which would make the odds even less that he had this problem, but still not impossible.

In all reality, I think he was depressed about something, and we may never know what.  Depression is a problem that is becoming more and more common, and parents dont notice or throw their kids on drugs, when in all reality, they just need to talk it out or see a psychologist that does not support the use of drugs to help in such cases.

Even if Brandon was depressed, most parents dont notice until it is too late.  Either the child attempts suicide (which parents don't always notice that either), start drinking or using drugs, or something else, which could be addiction to sex/masterbation or video games.

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Dopamine has many functions in the brain, including important roles in behavior and cognition, motor activity, motivation and reward, inhibition of prolactin production (involved in lactation), sleep, mood, attention, and learning.

Dopamine is produced by the Hypothalamus, which is responsive to:

  • Light: daylength and photoperiod for regulating circadian and seasonal rhythms
  • Olfactory stimuli, including pheromones
  • Steroids, including gonadal steroids and corticosteroids
  • Neurally transmitted information arising in particular from the heart, the stomach, and the reproductive tract
  • Autonomic inputs
  • Blood-borne stimuli, including leptin, ghrelin, angiotensin, insulin, pituitary hormones, cytokines, plasma concentrations of glucose and osmolarity etc
  • Stress
  • Invading microorganisms by increasing body temperature, resetting the body's thermostat upward.

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"You don't have to have underlying issues to become addicted to something."

I suppose not but when we're talking about losing oneself to a hobby (as opposed to a substance you can form a physical dependency to) there's usually more to it then just "it's really fun."  One newspaper quoted his father as saying Brandon had recently started stealing money, ignoring his studies, and skipping school to play the game.  CoD4 is a fun game sure but not that fun.  If Brandon was finding a video game to be preferable to his family, friends, and school (okay, maybe not school) then it sounds to me like there was something wrong in the lad's life.  Or at the very least something he felt was missing that he was trying to fulfill with the game.

I've never heard of the Bengali region of the brain (and a quick look online is coming up nil) but I do know what dopamine is.  I don't know where your info is coming from but I would not be at all surprised if video games caused the brain to produce the hormone just as any pleasurable activity or circumstance (sex, food, praise or even aggression) could.

It's possible that Brandon had a chemical imbalance in his brain that was releasing higher amounts of dopamine then normal (CoD4 being the main trigger).  That would certainly explain his alleged recent mood swings.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Yes Andrew, I am blaming his affixiation with COD4 for the cause/factor of his death. I am sorry if you can not understand my reasoning, I am not trying to blame the game. I am blaming his affixiation with the game.  

 

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So do you understand why I blame the parents for giving him the chance to become so involved with the game in the first place?  My parents played video games too when I was little, they forced me to go out and play if I liked it or not.  (sucked with weather was over 90 degrees, HOT after being in the nice AC)  They also took games away if I played them too much or we're doing chores, homework or other things I was suppose to be doing.

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Just a heads-up: "affixiation" isn't a word.  I think you mean to say "fixation."

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Either that or she's misspelling "affixation" which technically isn't a correct usage but colloquially I'd give it a pass.

 

Andrew Eisen

 

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I could see your reasoning if it turns out Brandon committed suicide but if he was shot, attacked by an animal, or fell down a hill and broke his neck then I don't see the connection as any of those things could have happened whether he left the house in a huff or not.

Any thoughts on what might have been the underlying reason behind young Brandon's affixation to CoD4?

 

Andrew Eisen

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Anyone know if the one parent that helped pack his bags will be prosecuted?

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Prosecuted for what?

 

Andrew Eisen

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child endangerment

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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By allowing his kid to go blow off some steam?  Pretty unlikely.  Brandon was 15, not 6.

 

Andrew Eisen

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well, seeing as the father thought his running away was a bluff, it may be more along the lines of neglect.

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It may have been a bluff.  Brandon's body was found about three miles from his home.  Unless he died on his return trip home, he didn't make it very far.  I'd recommend we all wait and see how he died before we start placing blame.

 

Andrew Eisen

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My question is: without knowing how Brandon died, why would you assume his gaming habits had anything to do with it?

Andrew I am a little closer to home than the readers here. My husband was part of the proffesional search team. And not only had first hand knowlege of the situation but also spoke to Brandon's father. The search team know a little more about the situation than most. I am not talking about the 1000's of volunteers that showed up to help search, god bless them, I am talking about proffessional search and rescue team. 

Brandon's gaming habbits were interfering in his social life, family life and school work. He was not eating properly, his entire life was solely arround COD4. When his Parents took this away from him he threatned to run away if they didn't give it back.  Now what other reason is there? The entire issue with him running away was about the video game he was afixiated with.

Wether he was trying to make it to a friends house, and died of exposure. or committed suicide. The main issue was his affixiation with COD4 that he felt the need to run away.

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"Wether he was trying to make it to a friends house, and died of exposure. or committed suicide. The main issue was his affixiation with COD4 that he felt the need to run away."

So, however Brandon died, you're going to blame his death on the reason he walked out the front door?

 

Andrew Eisen

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Yup, because it is easier to blame something that can not defend itself, than to blame the parents.  I blame video games on the fact that I drink 3+ cans of soda a day, not my parents who never limited my soda intake as a child.  Actually I am down to 1 soda every 3-4 days, woo hoo.  (FYI: Headaches from caffeine addiction suck, slowly wheen yourself off instead of going cold turkey.)

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Not "mental"? Nice to know you've got a great opinion of mental illness.

I love playing video games. I'm not addicted. My boyfriend loves watching football. He's not addicted.

There are CIRCUMSTANCES that cause addiction. They do NOT just appear because someone is a fan of something. If his whole life was that game, there was something wrong, internally or externally- who knows? But there was something wrong. In your post, you even SAY, "the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, DESPITE HARMFUL CONSEQUENCES TO THE INDIVIVDUAL'S HEALTH, MENTAL STATE OR SOCIAL LIFE."

I'm asking you, from one human being to another, leave this site if this is that triggering for you. If all you're going to do is try to force us to acknowledge that Brandon was AOK! and it was all the game's fault- us, a bunch of strangers on the internet who DIDN'T know this kid- please go. As I said in my previous comment: I'm not going to bars and asking the patrons there to answer for my friend's addiction to alcohol (that caused him to make choices that killed him). Why are you here, asking us to answer for Brandon's addiction?

 
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