Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

November 6, 2008 -

The Daily Mail reports that 19-year-old Ryan Chinnery (displaying bling at left) has been sentenced to an indefinite period of incarceration after pleading guilty to a series of sexual assaults in Kent. GamePolitics previously covered the start of Chinnery's trial in September.

As it does so often these days, Grand Theft Auto gets the blame:

[Chinnery] prowled streets in his car targeting innocent women he thought were prostitutes - imitating scenes from the controversial [Grand Theft Auto] game in which a man drives around and attacks call girls...  Officers found a copy of the 18-certificate Grand Theft Auto during a swoop on the home Chinnery shared with his girlfriend - and he initially insisted to detectives that he had been playing on his computer at the time of the attacks.

Prosecutor Eleanor Laws told a jury last month how Chinnery's obsession with Grand Theft Auto, which has sold some 35million copies, 'may go some way to explaining his attitude towards women'. Miss Laws added: 'Prostitutes in it can be exposed to violence. There may be some connection with the defendant admitting spending a lot of time playing that game.'

The judge, on the other hand, seemed to relate Chinnery's crimes to an obsession with porn, but did give GTA a mention. The Kentish Express reports:

Judge Philip Statman said: "What most troubles me is the mirror conduct between pornography and that which he later does. It is as if spurring on comes from the pornographic material.

"I know part of this case referred to something called Grand Theft Auto. While it appears the defendant does not accept it influenced his conduct on that particular evening, it could not have helped him, I would have thought, in all the circumstances of the case."


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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

law school textbooks put that behavior at a developmental issue that is one of the major contributing factors to the mindset of a rapist.

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

So.... if kids start creating worm holes in order to escape complex human mazes, are we going to see a public outcry against Portal?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

"He was already messed up.  The game probably didn't help."

Good going on the judge's part for recognizing that the guy was already screwy and probably shouldn't have been playing the game to begin with.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Andrew Eisen,

You or someone might want to let the Federal Court in John Bruce's Federal Case know that because today he filed a Supplement in his case and the attachment to the Supplement was an article about this case and John Bruce claims it vindicates him.  Moreover, he includes quotes and other statements linking GTA to the crime as not only his usual "murder simulator" but a "rape simulator" as well.  He rants on and on about porn, harm to women, even quoting a congressional witness named Andrea Dworkin, further attempting to smoke screen the facts of his case and his actions by looking for all the inflammatory and sympathetic points he can.

It struck me strange too in that part of Dworkin's comments talked about how women were not believed, and were really treated as being unreliable, but John Bruce himself is trying to foster that very attitude in the Richard Gorman case, just like Gorman's dad is doing.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Well, to be fair, the courts haven't needed my help to see through Thompson's blatant horse pucky so far.  I seriously doubt this time will be any different.

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

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Wood is brown.
Therefore, my dog is made of wood.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

The term for this is called a 'False Synergism'.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

"If she weighs less than a duck..."

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Bravo... that sums it up nicely

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Fucking twat. Enjoy getting ass-raped in prison, cocksucker.

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Yeah...all i can say is if a game is going to influence you in such a negative way.....then dont play it? (Brilliant, I know.)   But, in my opinion, the fact that he has the ability to choose has been negated somewhere with the notion of a game influencing his actions.  I've played the unreal/half-life series for as long as I can remember them being out as well as games like fall out and GTA.  This kid is 19.  I do believe that he knew what he was doing when he did these acts.  And, you cannot blame some videogame for that.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

he's a typical looking ned/chav/scumbag.   Just looking at that mug shot doesn't make me surprised at his actions. They should castrate the bastard and THEN get nasty.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

People like to blame GTA and claim that it’s all part of the game but they're looking at it wrong. GTA always has been very, very open ended. There may not be missions to do it and it’s not required but the point is you can if you want to. People who don't play just don't understand that GTA is less of a training tool and more of a mirror into a person’s true self. It's a fake world where your actions don't result in any real punishment and hence people act out what is already inside of them. It doesn't foster any certain type of behavior, it reveals it.

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

If I may, this is why I've said that aggessive people will choose aggressive games, aggressive games won't reprogram someone to be an aggressive person.

Another thing that older people don't understand is open gaming. To them, anything that CAN be done, anything that has been programmed to accept if you do it, is something that you are SUPPOSED to do. Open gaming means open gaming. That means that in Fable II, you can kill the prostitutes. Are you SUPPOSED to? Not really, doesn't do anything for you, you could sacrifice them instead... but that is neither here nor there. Just because you CAN kill prostitues in that game doesn't mean the game is a prostitute killing simulator.

See, my first playthrough of Fable II my character is a vegitarian, celibate, and a woman. In one quest where I had to get married to keep from getting evil points (no spoilers) I still refused to lay with them. My character is pure and will finish the game pure. In short, nothing like me.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Incidents such as this never happened before GTA. GTA invented beating and raping prostitutes. I remember the scene it happened in.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Yes in fact Jack the ripper was a time travelr who happened to get an unreleased copy of of Grand Theft Auto: London 1888.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

GTA (or GTH as it was then) was actually a set of pick-a-path adventure books before computers were invented.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Too bad they didn't know this in 1888 when Jack the Ripper was killing prostitutes. Might have been able to find him.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

*face palm* epic fail agian.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Had this happened 10-20 years ago, this kid could have blamed rap music.  Just look at how "dope" that "home boy" looks in that picture, "dog".

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

LOL, I was just about to say it looks like we need to go back to blaming rap for the downfall of society.... in many cases like this, it seems to be the only constant factor.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Indefinite incarcertaion?

 

Please tell me that this is just UK Legalese for "We haven't decided on the time, but will before the trial is actually over".

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

According to the Daily Mail, he's been sentenced to eight years. I don't know where GP got the "indefinite incareration" from.

Though in my country, indefinite incarceration exists. It's used for criminals who are certifiably insane, and always accompanied by psychiatric treatment. It's "indefinite" in the sense that the convict is not let out until he is considered sane enough not to be a danger to others.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

It means "we'll put him in general population long enough for the other prisoners to turn his a$$hole inside out"

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

LOL, that was veeeeery graphic...

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Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Nice poster, but I think it would be better if the pic were horizontal and we got to see his "bling".

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

I really want to punch him in the face. What an a-hole...

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

See!  See!  Games do make you violent!!!

:P

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Speaking of a-holes, his is toast once he gets on the inside. Hurray karma!

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Great, another fucking shit of a person to make us all look bad.

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Now that I think about it, the picture of that kid makes me want ot punch my moniter.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

What tends to annoy me about these 'media and games promote disrespect and violence against women' rants is that they tend to leave out the biggest factor that causes violence against prostitutes... the fact prostitution is illegal.

If they really wanted to help prostitutes, they would legalize it so they aren't so scared of going to the police, could unionize to deal with abusive pimps, and otherwise get the same protections every other worker gets.  As it stands now, they have to keep things underground where there is no law enforcement to protect them.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

prostitution is illegal

Not so, not in the UK anyhoo.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Wow, good news coming from the Daily Fail. I'm thinking of stopping calling it that.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Apologies for the rant below, but I had a quick question, in the Kentish Express article there was this tidbit:

The prosecution agreed to leave the remaining two charges on the court file. He had previously admitted a charge of assault by penetration on another woman.

Was this prior to the recent rash of cases?  If so, why is this evidence not taking precedence over GTA?  This would be a clear indicator of a repeat offender who went on a splurge and got caught.  Standard spree mentality from a criminal.  Lastly, I tried to fit the below into the comment section at The Daily Mail, but that dreaded 1000 character count got me.  Opinion piece only, and I will probably break it up into sections to fit it in:

A more enlightened judge would have mulled over the reality of the actions in-game reflecting the real emotions inside of Chinnery.  Furthermore the skewed ballcap, thug sign, and 'bling' do not speak volumes to Chinnery's credibility.
Positing the notion that a game mechanic that is not forced upon a player, but one that must be sought out by the player, would lead to these vile acts would be more indicative of a personality seeking the need for dominance and control over women.
If I remember correctly, law school textbooks put that behavior at a developmental issue that is one of the major contributing factors to the mindset of a rapist.
So, justifying a young man's actions based on behavioral construction or a shot-in-the-dark notion by an ill informed judge would require more research for the prior and considerably less for the latter.  In the dark corner of my mind I could agree with the judge if he were extremely busy, tired, or simply bored.
I am pleased to see this gutter trash heading to lockup but I fear for the judicial precedence this sets when the game is used as one of the justifications for his guilt.
Baby steps create precedence and it will not be long before video games are used as a defense again.  By giving unfounded credence to their impact on healthy human minds, lest the deranged be tossed into the lot, the judiciary gives common street thugs and insecure knobs like Ryan Chinnery another tool with which to waste the courts time, the taxpayers money, and, god forbid, possibly get out of a conviction and further neglect the essence of personal responsibility for one's actions in society.

 

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

"...sentenced to an indefinite period of incarceration after pleading guilty to a series of sexual assaults...Grand Theft Auto gets the blame."

I suppose it bears repeating that there is NO sexual assault in GTA.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Ew. Chav.

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

a) "Sentencing him for eight years, Judge Philip Statman said there was a 'worrying mirror of conduct' between the attacks and the computer game which shows a 'scant respect for women.'"

That's from the Daily Mail article in the link. Eight years != indefinite period.

b) Also from the article:

"Judge Statman said: 'It is not for this court to enter the controversy as to whether such conduct is encouraged by pornographic material and video games such as Grand Theft Auto, which seem from what I have heard and read to show scant respect to women.

'But it is right to observe in the course of this case there is a worrying mirror of conduct between that which pornography presented to you and that which you have carried out.'"

While GP comments:

"The judge, on the other hand, seemed to relate Chinnery's crimes to an obsession with porn."

I'm not sure that's an accurate assessment of the judge's position. It depends whether "pornographic" in the first paragraph refers solely to "material" or also includes "video games such as [GTA]". If it's the latter, the second paragraph takes on an entirely different meaning from what GP gets out of it. It's an unclear phrasing by the judge, but, considering that only a small subset of porn deals with stalking and rape fantasies, I'm inclined to think he meant to call GTA pornographic.

 

Bonus insanity: Daily Mail's picture caption reads: "A scene from Grand Theft Auto in which the main character drives around and attacks prostitutes."

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Also, I note how much respect these politicians show the "call girls." Prostitutes are honest, hardworking women. They support feminism and women in the work place, right? RIGHT?

Get serious...

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

35 million copies sold, 1 tied case.

I wonder how many cars were stolen after people watched "Gone in 60 Seconds".

I wonder how many people died trying to race like in "Fast and the Furious"

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

That guy looks like a gigantic dork.  He makes most dorks look cool by comparison.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

I tihkn it should be noted that while they might be blaming games or porn they're not suggesting they be banned or limited as far as I can tell. Perhaps they're thinking of this as a fluke.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

It's not the place a criminal trial to make that sort of call, but chances are some idiot (I.E. Keith Vaz) will use this for another 'Ban this sick filth' rant. Incidently, the Manhunt broo-haha started with the Daily Mails infamous 'Ban this sick filth' headline, so you know exactly where their agenda lies in the reporting of this.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Here we go again. Anyone got anything to say about this that HASN'T been said a gillion times already?

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Even anti-porn crusaders (those not interested in lying) admit that there is no scientific evidence saying porn leads to rape (I'll search for the link if anyone wants it) and I'm willing to bet the same can be said of violence.

Although still this is one asshole out of millions of users. His actions don't reflect the morals or opinions of all the other users.

Notice how this statement could apply to porn and grand theft auto.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

I'm really more interested in the part where he was incarcerated indefinately than the alleged connection with videogames.

It's also good to know that another member of Kent's population has been locked up.

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

Because that picture just screams 'I was a healthy, normal person until Grand Theft Auto ruined my life'.

Also, I dont remember any 'beat the hell out of hookers' missions in any of the GTA games. Did I miss one?

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Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

I remember one where you had to defend a hooker from being beaten up by some thugs.

And ONE I can think where you were asked ot take out a hooker and her sugar daddy priest because she was trying to get out of it, so there was ONE mission out of, I dunno how many games like that

The diologue as the limo tried to evade yo uwas so funny. :D

Re: Locked Up, Key Thrown Away for GTA "Teen Sex Fiend"

The "take out the priest/hooker" mission was in San Andreas. Other than that, no mission in GTA requires you to kill a prostitute. During the pimping missions (same game) you were required to save the women from rough johns every now and then.

And the dialouge during the limo scene was pretty awesome. "Remove those filthy vestments!" "AAGH! Watch those teeth, girl!" "The devil comes to claim his own, godspeed driver, godspeed!"

 
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