BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

November 8, 2008 -

Brandon Crisp, the gamer whose disappearance touched so many in Canada and in the video game community, died of injuries consistent with a fall from a tree, according to a coroner's report.

More details from Canada.com:

An autopsy performed Friday in Toronto confirmed that missing 15-year-old Brandon Crisp died from a fall from a tree. Coroner Dr. Dirk Huyer said Saturday that the autopsy confirmed the boy's identity and cause of death, putting to end the faint hope the missing teen might still be alive.

Results from the autopsy indicated that Crisp died from chest wounds "consistent with a fall from a tree," a statement released by Barrie police said. Many media reports speculated that Crisp, whose body was found Wednesday near a popular hiking trail outside of the central Ontario city, had likely died from hypothermia.

Police said foul play isn't suspected.

Police are still attempting to piece together the last moments of Brandon's life. His funeral is planned for Friday, November 14th.


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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Whoa. I missed a lot.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I have a question to throw out there for you guys.

Why then do most here agree that parents should try and control their  children's time on the XBOX? Limit their time in some way?

I have been doing alot of searching arround to get info on gaming and the potentials of addiciton. Are you guys telling me that every site out there is wrong? and that this site is the only one that has the correct information?

I am sure that Brandon's parents do not want to start a which hunt, but I would bet your bottom dollar that they will start some help organization to help other parents deal with this. And I will personally  offer to help them acheive this.

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

"Why then do most here agree that parents should try and control their  children's time on the XBOX?"

It's part of teaching children personal responsibility and time management skills.  I don't think it's a matter of controlling a kid's video game time so much as it's making sure that he/she uses that time in a responsible manner.

"I have been doing alot of searching arround to get info on gaming and the potentials of addiciton. Are you guys telling me that every site out there is wrong?"

That's really hard to answer.  What info have you uncovered?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

What I gather from most members here is that they say that there is no way that gaming can be addictive unto itself. That a there has to be an underlying reason for that person to be addicited to anything.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I'd say that's an opinion shared by a great number of those who post here.  It's certainly my view.

Being addicted to a video game "just because" simply doesn't make sense to me.  There has to be some underlying reason.  With chemicals it could be as simple as a physical dependency.  Games don't offer that so it has to be something else.

I think what most take issue with is the implication of fault that "addiction" carries with it.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

 I really don't understand, why you would say there HAS to be an underlying reason. Games can be addicting in the sense of being dranw into a fanasty life much more exciting than real life. It also releases hormones and chemicals in the brain that are highly addicting.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Exactly.  If you find CoD4 more exciting than real life to the point that you're forgoing your social life, education, health, and other responsibilities then that's indicative of an underlying problem.

Yes, pleasurable activities will release dopamine but not enough to cause a problem unless you have a chemical imbalance or your hypothalamus is out of whack.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Well I have never been in there myself, but what some say, that games can be so exciting that iti snot hard tot try and replace it with real life... and for a fifteen year child don't you think that they would have no trouble with wanting to replace hone work, chores, eating with family, and sleeping with an exciting games with no real start or end.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

School work and chores?  Absolutely.

Eating with family?  If the family really sucks, sure but that would be an underlying problem: an unsatisfying family life.

Sleeping?  Staying up past bedtime to play?  Normal.  Not sleeping period.  Indicative of a problem, likely some type of sleep disorder, insomnia (something I suffer from) or chronic nightmares (itself indicative of an underlying problem).

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

So one person or another has an underlying reason of some sort.

Saying that then, since everyone has some sort of underlying problem of some sort, we are all prone to become addicted to gaming

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You could say that, but it would also be true to say that you can replace video gaming with a variety or other activities.  The fact that he chose gaming to become obcessive about is not indicative of gaming in and of itself otherwise the problem with be pandemic.  These stories of gaming addicition are rare and given the wide variety of things you can get addicted to which have no direct addictive qualities such as heroin etc, I would suggest this is a problem with the person not with the activity.

Infact, basic searches on addictive behaviour uncover far more information than you are ever likely to learn on these forums, other than none of us have had it adversely affect our lives.  The only time I have had something affect me was during my time at University where frankly I just didn't want to be there.  Since then, I have held down jobs in IT for over 10 years.  If there was truely an addicting factor rather than an underlying cause, I wouldn't have been able to do so.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Actually, with an underlying reason, you are prone to become addicted to ANYTHING that comforts you away from the underlying reason.  Pointing the finger solely at gaming.  He could just have easily been spending 8-12 hours a day in church, reading the bible non-stop, calling his family obscene and sinful, and avoiding everyone else because he believed they were immoral.  But how many would call that a problem of the religion were "acceptable" in society's eyes?  The fact is, everyone has something they dislike and something they like.  And if you try to paint their likes as "bad", they will become "defensive".  But the "bad" isn't always the product in general.  It could easily be the use of the product and the lack of control in using the product.  You've already pointed that out in the use of alcohol, drugs, and gambling.  Hence, it is true in gaming as well. 

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I'd say it depends on the problem and the person.

Whatever would drive one person to compromise their health and social life in order to play a video game could have a completely different effect on someone else.

To answer your question more directly: no.  We're not all prone to become addicted to gaming.

And with that, I'm off to rehearsal.  Have a good evening and I'll check back in later tonight.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

It is always a good idea to noderate one's child's activities and teach them to diversify their time.  Even things preceived as "good" aren't always "good" in large quantity.  Food of any one type, even healthy food, in large quantity is still bad for you.  In fact, drinking lots and lots of water at one time can be a health risk.

Whether one loves a particular genre of book, TV show, movies, music, games, type of food, exercise, religion (yes, even religion), etc can turn into a toxic effect.  Whether you classify that activity as the equivilant to "a book you can't put down", an obsession, or even an addiction, it's a well established fact that moderating the things you like a lot is more healthy than metaphorically drowning yourself in it.  And each person has a different level of metaphorically "treading water".  Plus, Parents should know their own children better than anyone else.  Even so, some Parents think that the "experts" and their generalizing is sufficient to inform about ALL children.  Some Parents become too casual while others become too strict.  And some just figure if something goes wrong, they'll find a scapegoat to cover their arses.

Book upon book has been written to offer suggestions on raising the average child to the troubled child.  One problem is that some people will pick a book and swear by it that it's the end all, be all solution.  The smart Parent will take on all the suggestions they can get and modify as the situation or escalation requires.  But, also, a Parent has to just say "enough is enough, I've given all the chances I'm going to give!"  One can give trust to their child by when that child repeatedly breaks that trust and goes to the next level, then a Parent just has to decide that putting their foot down (nipping it in the bud) has to be the decision left to them.

As to every other site being "wrong", much of what GP posts isn't sourced at GP.  It's from other resources (articles, interviews, studies, etc) from other sites.  Just because GP posts references here doesn't mean that it all originates here.  There are a number of articles here at GP that refer to experts who challenge a variety of studies and research.  Not to mention a number of studies referred to by GP as well which show a number of positive aspects of gaming.  Up below the banner includes a Blog archive search with a number of keywords, which include words like academia, violence, social issues, and others. 

Frankly, you're not doing a very good job of impartial research if all you really look for is gamer addiction and don't consider any other possibilities.  You've already stated certain things that show you are biased in your "research" and clearly intend to search only for evidence that supports your biased opinions and beliefs.  I could easily do the same to any number of things.  Even things you find good and pure.  It wouldn't be too difficult to even label all religion unhealthy and inappropriate and a mental threat to children.  No matter how specific each situation I refer to could actually be seen, I could just use a sweeping generalization that religion is sociopathic in nature and we need to create help groups to get people the mental help they need.  And that anyone associated with religion needs to seek help or be considered harmful to children and adults alike.  Might not sound reasonable to someone who uses the IDs "Yahweh" or "Amen4u" because religion might be a "good" thing to you.  But, hey, I can throw out a great many news articles and suggest a great many research topics to prove my case.  After all, why would looking at the "good" aspects of religion be a good thing?  I have the evidence that it's a "bad" thing and we must cure people of their ills, right?  Works for me anyway.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I asked for an answer not a novel.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And there you go again, the pot calling the kettle black. Can't answer in simple terms. You are more Bias than I will ever be. And more judmental as well. You know nothing about my usernames and Why I have choosen them, you just go assumming again.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

P.S.  I think I've proven my point.  You claim kettle/pot, yet it is YOU who suddlenly becomes defensive when assumptions are made/speculated/threatened regarding something YOU like or are associated with.  Why become so defensive/protective of religion if you aren't directly involved with the "harmful effects" of religion that I've noted?  If it doesn't apply to you, even if I claim it's caused by ALL religions and ALL religions should be labeled harmful, why would YOU become defensive/protective? 

Kettle... pot... yadda yadda.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I don't do "simple" answers for truly complex issues.  Actually sitting down and thinking about the issues and the complexity of the issues and individuals is a long, brain wrecking process.

Again, as with sound bites, if you want "simple" answers, talk to politicians and agendists.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Sometimes, in life, the answer isn't always so simple.

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Go away Amy, I do not want or need your attacks, so please I would appreciate you minding your own business. I have had enough bullshit from other members and I do not need another. Go pick on someone else ok.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

See? This is where you, well... In internet terms, you fail.

You are a hypocrite. You take the criticism you only want to hear. You are very close minded, you don't want to look at other possibilities and you complain others attack you and yet... why're you here? What're you trying to prove? There isn't anything you can do, at this point. You won't be moved from your stand point, and neither will the others.

You believe you are correct, and everyone else is wrong. You can't begin to realize that maybe, just maybe... you could be wrong.

And if you can't admit your mistakes, or even admit that you are wrong? Well... then you have no reason to debate this and should, seriously, find something else to do.

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Go away

 

AE: Chill.  Just like you, Amy may reply to any comment she wishes as long she keeps it civil and on topic. 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Not when she is calling me names and acussing me as bad as trolls, and JT and so on. I don't need it Andrew.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I understand your frustration but Amy is just Amy. She's not every commenter in this thread. She did not say you were a troll or as bad as JT and the only name she called you was "hypocrite." If you disagree with her label, you're more than welcome to counter it.

EDIT: Okay, as noted by Michael below, the JT comparison was from an earlier post.  I missed that.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Pssst, Andrew, look for the post containing "haven't you ever thought that what your doing is cruel too?"

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Yeah, I did compare her to JT. Um... Sorry? I didn't know I made someone upset with "name calling" or something. Ah well. I just dropped it afterwards. Sorry if it caused anything bad!

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Comparisons are not insults when backed up with reasoning.  I happen to agree that aspects of Amen4U's sweeping generalisations of gamers and refusal to listen to opposing views very much coincides with JT's rhetoric.  I don't think you have anything to apologise for Alevan; you aren't the one calling people stupid or screaming go away.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I don't do sound bites, not as my sole means of communication.

You want sound bites, talk to politicians and agendists.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I got to say, Nightwng, I liked your answer! Kudos to you man!

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And answer he did. Very well said Nightwng2000!

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

well the person asking the question is the one to decide if the answer was welll done!!!!!!!. And it wasn't in my eyes. I asked a simple question for a simple answer. TOO much verbage, and more a defense anwer than anything.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Take it easy. You're on a public forum and so really, I have every right to praise or condemn whatever I wish so long as I remain civil. 

Anyway, if it's so full of flaws then it should be quite easy to counter, no? So far, besides admitting yourself that it is an answer (no matter the form) you haven't really proven him wrong on any points -- you've really just tried to brush it aside through some self-made requirements you whipped out of thin air.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

The question- why control your time on gaming

Answer............because like everything else, it can become addicting. KISS

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

That wasn't even close to what Nightwng said, perhaps you should read over it again.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I don't which is more sad -- the fact that a boy died in a most unfortunate way or that there are people, like Amen4u, are using it as a means to promote their political agenda. I find the later quite pathetic and disgusting, being a single parent to my little nephew and with a family of gamers.

A LITTLE BOY DIED. What the hell is wrong with some of you? What is there to debate? Absolutely nothing. The parents are not to blame. The XBox is not to blame. This is just a freak accident that rarely happens, and nothing more.

What happened here is just horrible. My heart really goes out to the parents here.

The only complaint I do have is maybe they should've focused less on the XBox and more on looking for Brandon, but really --- You don't know with kids anymore. We're living in a world where you can't even trust your own shadow. I'll say my prayers for Brandon Crisp, and give my little nephew extra hugs.

Because, really... you just don't know what could happen out there. Love your family, for you never know when they'll be gone.

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

 don't which is more sad -- the fact that a boy died in a most unfortunate way or that there are people, like Amen4u, are using it as a means to promote their political agenda.

You have no idea what you are talking about.  I was Defending the cruel Statements that many of the posters here were saying about it being Brandon's parents fault that he is dead.

 But seriously considering starting a gaming addiction resource center here. ahhhhhhhhhhh. can't wait for the attacks on this one.

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Well, that is understandable. It is okay to defend but haven't you ever thought that what your doing is cruel too? Some of the things you have said were uncalled for, and why it led me to believe such a thing. I can see what your coming at but I don't see what was so cruel.

As for game addiction, I know full well about it. It's why I broke up with my boyfriend months ago. he got too addicted to video games. Being a gamer myself, I understand the full knowledge of keeping the gaming to a limit. My mother always put that in me. So while I played my SNES a lot... the choice to play Bloody Mary with the kids in the neighborhood or to play 7 hours of Chrono Trigger -- I chose to go play outside!

If your trying to prove something, all your proving is that your as horrible as Jack Thompson. If you -really- want to make a difference, I'd recommend joining a group and work to educate parents about it. Trust me, ranting here is -not- going to help kids that -need- to be educated the difference between reality and fantasy.

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

"...there are people, like Amen4u, are using it as a means to promote their political agenda."

I've not seen her exploit the boy's death as a means to push a political agenda.  Have you?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Well. To me, it did feel like it. To say "Video games ruined this boy's life! The parents feel this, yada yada yada..." It feels like using a boy's death to try to promote a debate that all of us already know about. To me, I felt like she was exploting it. Just how I feel, I suppose.

Everybody's different --- but I tried to word just a bit differently, so this doesn't turn angry or hateful. I actually like you guys and don't want to start some useless flame war :(

Amy Levandoski

Amy Levandoski

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Congrats on your promotion, Andrew. You could've told us, though.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Thanks.  GP announced it in the Shoutbox but there have been so many shouts today that it was gone in about four minutes.

 

Andrew Eisen

lol

I know I would not have died, I dont take fall damage

Re: lol

EDIT 2: Son-of-a...

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Just to let some members know, The Crisps have not spoken to the media since learning the outcome of their son's death. They have made a statement that they need to be left alone to greive. They will make a statement on Wednesday to the press. I have not heard any reports to the fact that they are filing a lawsuit. I am sure that this is the last thing on their minds at this point.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I have not heard any reports to the fact that they are filing a lawsuit.

me neither. In fact, a Globe and Mail article from October 27th states that they do not blame Microsoft or its Xbox. Steve Crisp is quoted saying "I am not on a witch hunt."

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Jarmne123 -

 In Nut shell I am a newcomer to this site, I was very disturbed at some of the comments posted about Brandon and his family. I have been accused to be other people, mainly JT and Liz Wooley, neither of I had a clue to who was before this.

I came here prior to Brandon being found to maybe get some help on where to look, My husband was assisting in ground search and I thought I could help on internet search. I had no clue where to look. I stumbled on this site and asked for some help. I have been caught up in this battle ever since defending Brandon and his parents.

Some posters really pushed my buttons and I said things that I probably should not have, but have appologized for since. I have been called every nasty name out there and retaliated to the same childish tactics, that I am not proud of. This thread and the one before it has brought out the worse in me. I am really ashamed that I have stooped to a lower level of some of the members.

I never came here to cause any trouble, but find myself continuing in spite of being defeated. Some of the members here are very cruel. All they want to do is hurt people and put word into their opinion that was not intended. Yes I beleive that games can be addicting, and no I do not think that everyone is addicited, nor do I think anyone is stupid if they disagree. I only hate the fact that people are so cruel to condemn Brandon's family for his death.  And when I make a retaliation to such I get accused of being a Troll, whatever that is.

I have been called a fucking idiot, jerk, moron, troll, amoung many other names, but when I say that I think that someone is evil for blaming the parents I get attacked. I am not a gamer, but my husband is. I have no opnion on gamers.

Members want me to leave just because I do not share their opinion. I guess they have chased out people in the past for this same reason.  I have spoke to Dennis and have expressed my involvment from the very beginning. If he has no problem with me being here then that is good enough for me.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

He attacked Judges, lawyers, Destroyed a fax machine, Posted Gay porn to a Judge, Threatened this site with lawsuits and 1 death threat. I think that's enough to describe JT

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Oh yes and I have behaved like that...gimme a break.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

JT litterally attacked people immaturly, you didn't do anything that hurt us in fact you acted Maturely, what I did was a short summary that the Moron in Miami did That hurt us Royally

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I lashed out at people that were being insenstive to the situation and Brandon's parents. And to people that were closed minded about the potential that Brandon was addicted to gaming. Just because the member here do not think that there is a possibility to  game addiction doesn't give them the right to hang me out either.

 
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