BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

November 8, 2008 -

Brandon Crisp, the gamer whose disappearance touched so many in Canada and in the video game community, died of injuries consistent with a fall from a tree, according to a coroner's report.

More details from Canada.com:

An autopsy performed Friday in Toronto confirmed that missing 15-year-old Brandon Crisp died from a fall from a tree. Coroner Dr. Dirk Huyer said Saturday that the autopsy confirmed the boy's identity and cause of death, putting to end the faint hope the missing teen might still be alive.

Results from the autopsy indicated that Crisp died from chest wounds "consistent with a fall from a tree," a statement released by Barrie police said. Many media reports speculated that Crisp, whose body was found Wednesday near a popular hiking trail outside of the central Ontario city, had likely died from hypothermia.

Police said foul play isn't suspected.

Police are still attempting to piece together the last moments of Brandon's life. His funeral is planned for Friday, November 14th.


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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

IMHO, Children need to limit thier time on any game, It's very easy. Set aside 1 hour and when time's up Tell them to take a break (I'm not a parenting advisor but I'm making a point)

In short if the crisp family used that, We wouldn't be in the mess were in right now with Flame wars out the wazoo (Also made a point aswell)

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Thats fine, but some children put up a real fuss. Hect my four year old is already throwing tantrums about playing Xbox- a scooby doo game her father bought her. IS she addicted NO- just likes the game. could it be a problem--yes, if I don't nip it in the bud.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

"nip it in the bud"

Translation:  Non-Technological Parental Control.

Really now, was that so hard?

That's not sarcasm or sniping.  Just straight out what I've been saying all along.  Parental Controls aren't just button pushing.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Yes but  I bet you someone out there is totally ticked off they got nipped in the BUD

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I'd wager if moderation were encouraged and followed through with all the time, the bud wouldn't grow too large to get nipped and the nipping wouldn't be quite as painful.  Would probably sting a lot, maybe even encourage a temper tantrum, but only the child with far more reaching problems than having their buds nipped are going to have a serious reaction.

Kids have run away for a long time.  While the reasons vary greatly, many times moderation of SOMETHING (even a relationship) can be found somewhere back down the path.  Abuse is one of those things that moderation doesn't apply, at least not in regards to the child needing to moderate something. 

But, yeah, if you've taken a nice, casual, but steady moderation of something and you follow through (and follow through is something that a LOT of "experts" agree on), if the child still goes overboard, there's something more at the core than just a product like a game or a book or music.

We also have to be aware that what we preceive as rational may not be what a child preceives as rational and vice versa.  And yet still, we have to be watchful of even the most irrational behavior.

Damn, we're one complex species, aren't we?

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You missed my point............went right over your head......

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And here she lies again.  If you recall, she had claimed she came here with no opinion on the subject.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You're being a bit antagonizing.  Rein it in a bit please.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

No offense to you Andrew, but there's no nice way to say that someone's lying.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

will you stop it, austin

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And what gives you the right to tell everyone that I am lying, a liar and a trouble maker. Stay out of my replies and everything should be fine.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Then don't lie about the deceased.  Have you no shame?  You are absolutely as bad as Jack Thompson, spreading disinformation wherever you go.

AE:  That's a bit too far.  If you want to debate a specific point, go ahead but kindly keep it civil.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

AE: This thread was growing in an unfavorable direction.  The bud has been nipped.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And that's far enough. Dennis has been notified of this.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Both are being civil and staying on topic.  It's fine.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Maam, I think your best bet is to not post on here if it causes you a lot of problems, as it is clearly doing, than it wouldn't improve. I can understand where your coming from becasue I been in a similar situation( just not about video games however). Yes here and there are a few idiots on these boards but you got to remeber, that this is a community, and we the video gamers have been subject of attacks from numbers of differnt people. As a community, we make sure that everyone has a say but when it comes to name calling and flame wars, than thats were the line is drawn. We also have the right to defend oursevles just like you do. Somethings you have stated are quite similar to Jack Thompson and Liz Wooley. I know as you have stated you haven't heard of these people. We get so many attacks on this website, that all of us here in this community couldn't just sit there and be attack like that. We try and deal with the people that make dumb comments but we don't need more people coming on here and saying that we are all bunch of idiots or fat druggies or whatever people who hate us come on here to say to us.  I can understand also what Dennis is saying that its good to hear from the non-gamers. Its true, that we appricate what you have said but you don't need to go overboard and insult us like that.

I honeslty don't know what eles to say, I respect others opinions untill names and overreactions is brought in. Than it just gets out of hand like it has for the past several days on here. A kid is dead people. I'm tired of pointing fingers, im tired of trying to figure out who's at fault. I'm tired of it all. Just stop it. Let's just put our opinons in a civil manner down and not get all hot headed with each other. I can say that I have had to learn to keep my posts civil over time here and I'm making an effort to not be so emotional in the posts. I have said things on here that I regrett and some that I don't (Jack Thompson).

So please guys. Stop, on both sides. We can debate this like civil people or we can resort to arguing and pointing fingers (I know I did point fingers people and I intend to stop that as of today) in a uncivil manner. I vote for the first one

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

What the hell? I'm gone for like a week or more...And this happens!

I know I'm a little late but still...

 

May Bradon Crisp Rest in peace

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You sir are full of banner win!

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Before I begin, my heart goes out to the parents of Brandon Crisp. Now that that's out of the way...

As much as Brandon's behavor shows signs of an addiction to video games, it can't be as bad as having him being addicted to even worse things. I mean, I'm train in mixed martial arts whenever I can, so does that mean that I'm addicted to MMA? Probably, but it's certainly better than having me shoot myself up with heroin or get messed up on crystal meth. And if video game addiction was such a serious problem, then how come I don't see any Betty Ford clinics that are dedicated to curing it? It doesn't make any sense to me and there is a serious double standard here when people are trying to tackle this so-called "addiction" when there is a much more wide scale problem with drug addiction and yet no one is up in arms about it.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Before I begin, my heart goes out to the parents of Brandon Crisp. Now that that's out of the way...

As much as Brandon's behavor shows signs of an addiction to video games, it can't be as bad as having him being addicted to even worse things. I mean, I'm train in mixed martial arts whenever I can, so does that mean that I'm addicted to MMA? Probably, but it's certainly better than having me shoot myself up with heroin or get messed up on crystal meth. And if video game addiction was such a serious problem, then how come I don't see any Betty Ford clinics that are dedicated to curing it? It doesn't make any sense to me and there is a serious double standard here when people are trying to tackle this so-called "addiction" when there is a much more wide scale problem with drug addiction and yet no one is up in arms about it.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

And if video game addiction was such a serious problem, then how come I don't see any Betty Ford clinics that are dedicated to curing it? It doesn't make any sense to me and there is a serious double standard here when people are trying to tackle this so-called "addiction" when there is a much more wide scale problem with drug addiction and yet no one is up in arms about it.

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Well if you search, there are clinic and Pyhcologists that dedicate their profession to gaming addiction.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Excuse me While I go and Get dennis McCauly via Email, It is just sickening to see you guys act this way, While I'm at it I'll cry because the situation went out of control

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

If you think this was out of control, then you really ought to look at some of the old Jack threads from the livejournal days.

-Gray17

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Or Pandralisk

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Ah yes, Pandralisk.

I still have that image of Pandralisk bingo someone slapped together.

-Gray17

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Argh. Don't remind me.

He was one of those who criticize peoples about traits they have: intolerance.

We need those guys as we need a diarrhea.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You know you could always just not read the comments and move along.

These are not forced upon you and you don't have to read them at all.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

So I'll stop responding to Amen4u now, and to make sure I don't I'll be requesting a temp ban for a week. That should keep me out of here.

You see, I already said, "against that kind of behaviour I am not capable of making neutral replies". What I witnessed was someone being upset about parental skills being criticized, then doing the same in return. Even worse, making personal attacks to make someone's opinion worth less. Last time I checked, that was called a fallacy.
Fallacy, right? I have problems with my english sometimes, let me check... "A fallacy is a component of an argument which, being demonstrably flawed in its logic or form, renders the argument invalid in whole." Check.
Anyway, to be honest I'm really disgusted by a hypocrit saying it's not okay to attack parental skills, then doing the same herself. Stooping to one's level means one no longer has the right to act superior, and this behaviour is making me nausious, I don't think I'll be able to control myself if I were to respond to someone who never bothered to read my entire posts and only the parts she can attack, where the attack no longer makes sense if you read the rest of it. Hell, I disagree with people blaming the parents, and suddenly I'm only protecting my own kind because I don't like someone, ESPECIALLY a parent, to use a child in an attack.

Ahwell, I'm already starting to lose control as the caps show, and since I have no interest in going to troll level, I'll just follow the sign, "Don't feed the Troll(s)".

Sincerely,

Michael Chandra

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

You see, I already said, "against that kind of behaviour I am not capable of making neutral replies". What I witnessed was someone being upset about parental skills being criticized, then doing the same in return. Even worse, making personal attacks to make someone's opinion worth less. Last time I checked, that was called a fallacy.

Last I checked that was called -  the pot calling the kettle black. Until you have walked in mans shoes you have no right to  judge. And I already appologized for my statement to Nightwgn for my comments to him.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

CBLT-TV up here in Ontario is reporting that Brandon Crisp's family is preparing a lawsuit against Microsoft based upon his addiction to XBox games and the failure of Microsoft to warn about the addiction problem.  Sounds pretty credible to me.  Anybody know anything more? 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Prove it, show us the link and credibility

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I've heard nothing about that and I've been following the case very closely.

Have a link or some other documentation on that?

 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

check his identity, he sound a lot like JT

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Agreed Kincyr. It's pretty much Jack Thompson's style to exploit the death of a child to further his own agenda. And Gamernonsense has already attempted to start several flame-wars within, well, every single one of his posts -- again, just like good ol' JT would.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Why do you all think that I am some JT character?

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Amen4u, he was referring to Gamernonsense, not yourself.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Sounds to me like someone is trying to start another linching to the Crisp family. How SAD.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Yeah, this is going to be a pretty open and shut case.  They paid for the games, they paid for live and they allowed him to play the game.  Microsoft's responsibility ended at the checkout counter.

 

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Sounds like they just put I price on their son´s death.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Why do I get a feeling someone who isn't supposed ot get involved in law anymore had something to do with this......

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Has there ever been a lawsuit like this before?  If a teen runs away because of an argument over his rock music being too loud, can the parents sue the music label if the kid dies while out?

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Filing it, arguing it, and succeeding at it are three different things.

They can always file it.

If it doesn't get thrown out immediately, they may even get to argue it.

But win at it?  Very unlikely.  If this were the 1950s and it were a local court, very likely they could win. 

But this case would have to be the Canadian equivilant of Federal most likely.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

The parents (who have now demonstrated their character with this lawsuit) are in for a rough time when their lawsuit fails.  This whole thing echos what happened to D&D back in the day.  Had the child died of exhaustion from a gaming marathon session, like what happens in Korea, a case could be made.  But, as always, you need to follow the money.  These people have all but killed any goodwill they should have gotten from gamers. 

I am still suprised that there hasn't been a negligence charge put against the parents yet. 

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

I don't think that a case could be made even in the marathon scenario. If I went out tomorrow and bought all the available seasons of The Simpsons on DVD, sat down,  and watched them all in a row without regard for sanitation, sustenance, or rest and keeled over as a result, would FOX be liable? Matt Groening? The Best Buy I got them from?

No. It's just that when tragedies like this happen, it's easier to look and blame a faceless 'boogeyman', even though there is little to no chance of reparation, than it is to look closer to the source and realize that personal responsibility may have been lacking. It's a defense mechanism that keeps people from thinking 'Oh my God, what have I done!?'

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

Probably shouldn't be negligence charges brought against them.  I don't really see it as negligence as opposed to simply not having control over a situation which they could have been in more control of.  That's not necessarily neglect.  Now, if they had ignored it altogether, maybe then neglect.  But the situation appears to be more that they didn't really up the ante in the control area at various points when it should have been time to do so.

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Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

The negligence charges would be more valid than the parents' case against Microsoft nonetheless. I'm tired of parents trying to use video games as a scapegoat for their poor parenting.

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

"We've gone out of our way to help while according to many experts we had absolutely no blame in this, and this is how we're rewarded, yay. Tell the PR team they're fired."

Re: BREAKING: Missing Gamer Brandon Crisp Died from Fall

There's several angles that a court case would have difficulties in

Between a Mature Rated game, Xbox Live subscription paid for and no parental controls set (I'm assuming that last one as the argument that consoles should have parental controls came up despite them having had them for several years now) there was no reason for MS to assume this was not an adult gamer so entitled to spend as much time on the console as they choose

The paperwork with the console and the games advises that games shouldn't be played for too long and regular breaks should be taken.

The studies which claim the existence of game addiciton also state it to be a psychological problem similar to impulse control disorder. As the manufacturer of the console it's not something MS would be in a position to check on, they have no contact with the consumer so it's not even like a gambling addict in a casino, they can't monitor individuals effectively. 

It should be noted most of the studies that are in support of game addiciton do not blame the games/developers themselves, they only make the case that the condition exists, they just often get twisted for other agendas by those not involved in the studies.

 
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