Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

November 11, 2008 -

Kotaku reports that a Fallout 3 side quest involving the possible detonation of an unexploded nuclear bomb has been edited out of the Japanese version of the best-selling game.

Developer Bethesda has made changes to the Japanese Fallout 3. The side-quest The Power of the Atom has been changed. Non-playable-character Mr. Burke has been taken out of this side-quest, removing the option of detonating the nuclear bomb.

 

That's not all, the name of a weapon was changed as it was deemed "inappropriate" for Japan. Smart money says the weapon is mini-nuke launcher "Fat Man" for obvious reasons. The online reaction from the Japanese users seems to be largely disappointment to these edits. Fallout 3 goes on sale in Japan this December.

Japan, of course, is the only nation to have been attacked with a nuclear weapon to date, so cultural sensitivities to the issue are understandable. The atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki at the end of World War II was nicknamed "Fat Man."


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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

After seeing that when re-reading the article more closely, that's exactly what I thought of.

And I do believe 'Davy Crockett' was one of the weapons in MGS3. I'd have to look up the MGS encyclopedia to double-check, though. (wasn't it like a mini-nuke?)

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

The Davy Crockett portable nuclear weapon does, in fact, make an appearance right at the beginning of MGS 3.  After you rescue Sokolov, during the cutscenes at the bridge, Volgin takes one out of its case and fires it at a research facility.  It was a gift from The Boss. 

Of course, during that game you also see the Shagohod, which is essentially a tank/first stage of an ICBM missile rolled into one.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Could be related to their age, a gap of over a generation helps with coping. My guess would be it's easier for them than for those who faced the consequences.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

The online reaction from the Japanese users seems to be largely disappointment to these edits. Fallout 3 goes on sale in Japan this December.

So in other words, the Japanese users aren't deeply sensitive to the issue of nukes, and are unhappy that the developer has told them, "No we don't think you can handle this."?

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I was waiting for someone to point that out. The Japanese AREN'T offended by it, and it appears that they are ready to move on. This is what happens with the passage of time. I'm looking forward to the day when I can turn on the news for a full year without hearing 9/11, terrorist, and Taliban come out of the speakers.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

That's what it sounds like. Really, this seems like more of a PR move on Bethesda's end. I'd say they're less concerned with offending Japanese consumers (who have already voiced their opinion) than they are with saying to American interest groups 'We are sensitive to the atrocities commited in the past, and this is how we will show it so please don't come knocking on our door and tell us what a bunch of horrible people we are.'

 

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

On one hand I can kinda see where they are coming from with this edit, but then you got the Metal Gear Solid series which practically centralizes around the controversy of nuclear weapons, so is there not some sort of double standard at work here?

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Not really, you have to look at the story involved and the direction it is coming from. MGS, if memory serves correctly, isn't about.. as I said earlier.. blowing up an innocent village. Its a tale about the perils of an arms race and how badly it can all go wrong.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

True, although if you recall, one of the characteres in MGS2 was called Fatman, who incidentally, was an expert on explosives.

Thats pretty much when I learned more of the bombing since school didn't go into too much detail.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Fatman was a baddie though, it's not like Fatman was a playable character. The reference, though valid, is pretty insubstantial.


Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

From my point, it just seems that Japan has been over the bombing for some time.  The game is japan made, they must have known about the name "fatman" and since the game generally revolves around nuklear weapons...must have had some connection between the 2.  I recall mention of Otacon's father being involved in a project (I just remember the curst the family has with nukes). 

The significance?  I believe that Japan has been over it for some time (considering MGS1 has been around for a long time), or at least enough enough to not take much offense to it.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I'd say they're partly over it. You're not likely to see many get all worked up and offended by references to it, talk about it, and so forth. On the other hand losing WWII and the aftermath of that had a huge cultural impact on them, and that's still apparent today.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Otacon's father was a member of the Manhattan Project, which developed and built Fatman and Little Boy.

 

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Did they remove the Fort Constantine quest?  Where you can launch an ICBM?  Where you get the Fat Man in the first place?  Or did they just remove the 'bomb Megaton' sequence?  Either way, I feel bad for the japanese, they're paying more for less game.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I have the fat man, just found it somewhere. I haven't even found Fort Constantine yet.

 

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Yeah, I got it when I went to Galaxy News Radio off of a fallen Brotherhood of Steel soldier.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I didn't even get it off a soldier, it was just next to an ammo box. I wish I remember exactly where. Germantown Police HQ maybe?

 

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I got mine in a metro utility room, of all places.

Edit: Actually, having been a DC resident (and metro rider) for many many years, that actually makes a lot of sense.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Yeah... So far, I've found at least 7 Fat Man launchers in several locations, and I only picked up 4. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun weapon, but Big Guns aren't my thing. There's something to be said in bringing down 10 Super Mutants in front of the Washington Monument with only a Hunting Rifle and a combat puppy.

Note: Bring lotsa Med-X and Stimpacks.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

 Absolutely understandable.

But tell me some of these games aren't political or some form of propaganda of American dominance?

Godzilla represented the 'evil' Americans when Japan was occupied by them after the war

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Yeah, it is understandable, but does hiding things like this really do any benefit?

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

So, unexploded nuke, bad. But Godzilla is ok?

Only in Japan.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Well, Godzilla is something of a story about the perils of nuclear weapons testing.. where as the quest in question, is at its heart a chance to let you nuke an innocent village.

You.. uhh.. don't see a difference and a reason that it might be just a little much for the Japanese market?

I actually completed this quest once myself... went back to a save game before I'd detonated it because I felt bad, and I can't even finish the other direction because it won't let me defuse the bomb now :(

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Godzilla was created after WWII, to get the people's spirits up, methinks.

'Sides, some of them over in Japan are quite disappointed with Bethesda's decision.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I guess I'm just looking at a nonexistant double standard. After all, why should one fictional depiction of nuclear destruction be bad, if another fictional depiction of nuclear destruction is ok?

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Not suprised, and honestly I don't think anyone should complain about it... no other nation on earth can currently, and hopefully never will, be able to understand the effect things like this has on Japanese society.

 

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Thats correct, if only they had tentacle rape in this game it would then be okay because we all know that sort of thing as well as 13 year old girl panties vending machine for Japanese men is a good thing there.

We should understand them being offended at a nuke because they provoked a war with everyone in which they literally went into China and various other countries and kidnapped women and held mass raping parties.

In fact they even had fun with Aussie, British, Canadian and American women who were captured on cruise ships during the war!

Poor Japanese, forget we should all apologize to them but of course they still refuse to apologize to us or the Chinese or raping millions of women and committing untold acts of crimes against humanity. The Japanese a Rapests wet dream for a country to belong

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Actually, the tentacle rape stems from "working around" anti-pornography laws put into their constitution after their surrender.  Tentacles were a loophole they found while trying to create smut.  Also, if you take a loook at REAL Japanese pornography, large portions are blur mosiacs so "dry humping" and body fluids become a central theme because those do not have the be blurred due to Japanese law.  Of course if you saw all that tentacle stuff how the Japanese see it, 3/4s blurred out rather than the uncensored stuff we see here, you'd have a little more understanding.  Might even be curious and research some things but of course you only want to see one side so research is a hard tactic.

Fact:  The only country EVER to use nuclear weaponry is the US.  The only country EVER to have seen their effects are the Japanese.  We were actually very close to using them again in the Korean war.  As in the paper was signed to approve their deployment.  And yet WE'RE afraid of Iraq having WMDs.  How do you think the rest of the world feels?  The only country with a history of using them currently has the most.  No wonder MGS constantly shines the US in a negative light.

Also, "hey look everybody!  War crimes that our nation has no history of similar events."  Dipshit, research the war with Native Americans and Mexicans in US history.  Look at the Japanese-American Internment camps during WWII.  Hell, look at how we ran that prison, Abu Gharab, in Iraq.  To say Americans have no similar history to Japan in WWII is ignorant and shows just how gap filled History lessons in the US educational system truly is.

But fact of the matter is, until you see a place that has been struck with this kind of weaponry, you have NO basis on this arguement, period.  You can SAY how awful the Spanish Inquisition was, but until you see the locations used, you have no clue.  You can say the Jewish Ghettos in Germany were a hell on earth, but until you've seen the history first hand, you have no frame of reference.  The bomb sites in Japan hold a history, a scar on society that may never heal.  And until you've been a part of that, your perspective on "get over it" has no validation.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Well, its a nice written block of text.. However, I have to disagree with something. Tentacles weren't used as a workaround porn laws, as far as I know. Tentacle porn isn't exactly a new invention. Old wood block artwork of women in various states of undress engaging in relations with various tentacled creatures have been found. Be it octopi or large cuttlefish.. IIRC, they date back to the 1500s at the least.

That said, I'd like to get my hands on some of those old artwork.. For research and intellectual purposes of course..

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

You're both half-right.  The guy who created La Blue Girl used those paintings of tentacled animals (such as "The Fisherman's Wife") as inspiration to make tentacled monsters that didn't acutally have genitals so they could get around censorships laws, even though the tentacles worked like penises.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Very well written.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Dude. I dislike the atrocities of war as much as anyone. But in this case just DROP IT.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Thats right, we can sit back and understand how sensative they are to a bomb that was dropped on them on a War they provoked but forget about all those women raped in the millions all those Chinese, American, Canadian, Aussie women who had there lives changed forever.

 

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

You see it purely from your side, they see it purely from their side.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Uh, what? What about the Japanese people offended by the removal of the content? The middle ground isn't always exactly between two extreme viewpoints.


Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

/facepalm

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I do complain because is simply a nonsense

explain me this: what's the point to ban a nuclear blast, set in Washingthon, in a videogame, by a Jap, today?

and even if I was an very old 'sensitive' Jap, with parents dead by that REAL WWII nuclear blast, do you think I feel hurted from see Washington wiped off by a nukebomb?

I guess that is always the same ol story: governant's are way out their people needs and thinking.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I don't think there has been any reference to the Japanese asking for it to be removed has there?, looks more like a Bethesda decision.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

ok my fault - strip out my last sentence and "by a Jap" because manifestly off context
but the remains are still good

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Just curious but you do know the term "Jap" is racist right?

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I'm not english native but I think is clear I used 'Jap' to curtail 'Japanese'

never tought to start a flame that's for sure

  down guys

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

What?

I've never heard of such a thing. It's just an abbreviation of a Japanese person. Just because it used to have a negative coontation doesn't mean it still does when someone today uses it.

Damn PC freaks.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

>> It's just an abbreviation of a Japanese person.

Yeah, and Nigger's just a variation on Negro, which is just another word for Black, right?

I'm Italian and if anyone calls me an Iti and tries to justify it as "Just being short for Italian", they're getting punched.

Anyhoo, back on topic - I feel that in cases like this the content should either be subject to an optional filter (content disabled by default) or be available as free DLC - you don't offend those who are likely to be offended, and those who don't mind can still play the content for no extra cost. That seems like the most sensible solution.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

That's actually a good idea allow a patch through xbox, ps3 or pc that turns the quest back on if you do want it and ship the offical version with out it.  That way if some individuals are still effected by the past event or take offense to it they don't see it and those that are not offended/don't care/whatever can still get their hands on the quest.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

You know, for handlkeing questionable content That would be a clever idea except well... hot coffee.

I know hot coffee was unoffical and all that, but if the meda can freak out that much over an unoffical, unsupported mod, imagine how they'd react to something offical.

Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

The same way they do with all violent content, either ignore it or complain about it and possibly go bananas over it. The only reason they'd freak out more than normal is if the content changed the game rating.

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I've never heard the expression iti but why be so offended by it? Is it because it sounds stupid or because it sounds too much like itty?

Nigger's the exception not the rule, and I really think it's very much hypocritical and completely stupid for certain, ahem oversensitive people to flip out whenever a white guy says it but be perfectly ok when someone else says it. But that's another topic.

And I've never heard anyone take offense at Jap, ever!

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

I've no idea if it really is still a racist term, but "Jap" was first used by the Allied troops as a derogative term/code word for the Japanese. OF course, that said, it was used similarly to how the Allied troops may also call Germans Jerries during the war.. Its kinda ambiguous as it is, as some consider it racist, but my half-Japanese cousin uses it without issue..

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Re: Report: Fallout 3 Nuke Quest Nixed for Japanese Market

Go to Japan and spout it off and watch the term baka gaijin be thrown around towards you.

 
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