Blizzard, Microsoft Wield Banhammer

Blizzard, Microsoft Wield Banhammer

November 13, 2008

Microsoft has banned a number of Xbox Live users whose 360s were modded, according to XBL front man Major Nelson:

In our our continued effort to keep gameplay safe and secure for our community of more than 14 million members, Microsoft has taken action against a small percentage of Xbox 360 consoles that have been illegally modified in order to play pirated games.

 

You should know that modifying your Xbox 360 console is also a violation of the Xbox LIVE terms of use, will void your warranty and result in a ban... The health of the video game business depends on customers paying for the genuine products and services they receive, both from manufacturers and the local companies that support them.

Via: Amazon Game Room

In more banning news, Destructoid reports that Blizzard has said goodbye to some 350,000 Battle.net accounts for Starcraft and Diablo II.

At issue? 

Players using third-party hacks. The good news is that the cheaters were banned. The bad news is that Blizz might let them back in after 30 days.

 

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Go Microsoft cause Im sure every one of those modded xbox users were all dirty dirty pirates no way they modded their system so they could play their LEGAL back up copy of an xbox game NOOOOO ... after all we all know that if you scratch your xbox game you just go out and drop another 50-70 bucks for a new one I mean sheesh who makes back ups anymore thats so 1990ish.

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 there is no reason to do this anymore because you can backup games to your hard drive now

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  I think that is what he is talking about...
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One single layer DVD= 4.7 gigs

Dual layer DVD = 8.7 gigs

Xbox 360 hard drive? 40 or 80 gigs if I remember correctly.

Modding your xbox with a bigger hard drive? Yeah, they'll ban you for that too. Better to risk a stealthed modchip being detected if you're gonna do it.

Also, homebrew.

Also, xbox live alternatives

Also, it's THEIR MACHINE, THEIR PURCHASE. If I bought a shovel and I wanted to stick another shovelblade on the other end and use it as a canoe paddle, no one would give a flying flip. But if I want to solder in a chip to a console to gain added functionality, it's suddenly illegal and worth revoking my rights to use advertised features.

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I understand what you're getting at here, but your analogy is poor. Remember, MS is not banning use of the Xbox, they are banning use of the Xbox on the Live SERVICE, which is owned by MS. This is a very important distinction. A user is, in effect, renting the Live service from MS for 50 bucks a year and, as with any service, they have the right to refuse service to anyone they please.

To use your analogy, You have a mutant canoe and you take it to a local privately owned lake. They charge you 50 bucks to use the lake with your canoe, but in their rules they say “No mutant canoes. Violators will be removed from the lake.” Then your mutant canoe gets discovered by a Boy Scout and he reports you. They then remove you from the lake. You can take your mutant canoe elsewhere and use it because you OWN THE CANOE, but not on that lake, because you DON’T OWN THE LAKE.

MS Live is no different.

 

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 yeah, it's not like MS disabled thier machines, they just removed thier right to play on an online service that THEY OWN.

ToS are there for a reason. Break em and suffer.

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You can't even claim to be renting live. Live isn't a product, it a service.

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The solution is to beat up the Boy Scout.  Chances are he was a homophobe anyway.

Wait, what was the question?

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KN, the problem with that though is MS charges almost 150.00 for a propreitary 120gb drive.

I can get a 120gb drive for...$50.00.

The Western Digital laptop Drive they actually put into the proprietary drive? 60.00.

Untill that changes.. they may aswell not even talk about backing up. Not to mention you still need to put the game in the drive to play the game off the hard drive.

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" there is no reason to do this anymore because you can backup games to your hard drive now"

Wait, you can backup games to the hard drive now? Without modding or chipping?

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The next major live update will add the ability to play games from the hard drive. AKA installing

 

You still need the game in the drive though.

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People should know by now that they don't own any electronic item they paid for... they're all leased.

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Lolwhut? BattleNet and Xbox Live are online services...

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There's not a single person who's modded thier 360 without knowing this was a possibility. Complainers can only get "told you so". When i buy my 360, i intend to mod it, and not for backups. I just understand that i wont be able to play it on XBL.

Glad it's not illegal where i live.... yet.

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Just make sure to switch the chip off before you play online.

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 XB 360 modding isn't a "chip". It's custom firmware that's installed on the DVD Drive. I've modded several machines, just don't own my own yet.

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I simply don’t understand... modded x-boxs are a threat to gamers??? Safe from what? And secure from who? These are apparently eternal questions of the universe beyond my mere human grasp. Moreover why do they use the term "illegally" when one purchases the object? Talk about a malapropism. It is the same as calling copyright infringement "piracy".  

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 In the past modded machines have been capable of other things, like bypassing content filtering, hacking games, and interfering with other peoples machines. modchips are not just about piracy, homebrew and backups. There are nasty things people can do with them. That's why the other info is in the release.

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True, but I have a feeling that the vast, vast majority of people with modded 360s didn't modify them so they can up their ranking in COD. I suspect the vast majority of modders did it for a.) homebrew, b.) pirating games, or c.) both. Pretending that the consoles are being blacklisted in order to "keep gameplay safe and secure" seems a bit silly and misleading to their true intentions: trying to punish pirates.

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the message listed both reasons.

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 In our our continued effort to keep gameplay safe and secure for our community...

More like, "to keep our wallets safe and secure from those who don't pay us enough."

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 HOW DARE THEY PROTECT THIER PROFITS!

If someone wants to steal something, they should just let them, DAMNIT!

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 Piracy is consumer reaction to being bent over the barrel one too many times. Yes, there is the odd person who will not buy anything, period, but they are the minority. Take Spore for example, I'd sooner download it off the internet and give a big up yours to EA than toss down my $50.00 - $60.00 and buy it on the way home from work. Its not that I don't have the money, I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE MY MONEY.

 When customer service and the "customer first" mentality is thrown out the window, f***'em all I say.

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What a lie! The vast majority pirate because if you can get something for free, WHY NOT!

If what you were saying was true, you'd give a $60 donation to some nameless charity everytime you pirated a game.

Dont try to tell me that you are SO against EA that you cant bring yourself to pay for something from them. If this were the case, you WOULND NOT PLAY IT AT ALL.

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Agreed.  That is how capitalism works.  Companies make products and compete for your dollars.  If you don't like their service or products, then you don't buy or use them.  Period.  Stealing is never justified.  Get real people.

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 no, the majority of people who pirate do it for nothing more then the fact that they can get the game free that way. They don't want to pay the cash so they get around it... Spore was the exception to this, it was one of the few cases where many gamers did felt they were screwed over and pirated out of either protest, or to avoid the DRM; this is why pirating of spore was much higher than pirating for most other games; most games are just pirated by cheao skates, while spore was pirated by people who normally would buy the game but made an exception for spore

Frankly, the majority of pirates are just plain cheap skates who do not want to pay for a product... some just can't afford the game in question, but instead of just excepting that fact, they decide to have what they can afford and thus have no right to take

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Then don't play their games.  I don't care what you say, pirating is essentially stealing(it's not, I know the difference) or you wouldn't try so hard to shout anyone down that doesn't agree with you.

Playing the games you don't pay for is stupid and immature.  If you're gonna do it, at least admit to yourself if not to us that you're just doing it because you don't want to have to pay for the games.  Want to stick it to "the man?"  Don't give them money.  Want to do it without being a huge douche bag?  Don't play the game, either.  That's part of "boycotting."  What's a bigger spit in the face, making a game people want to play but don't want to pay for or having so despicable practices that people wont even steal your intellectual property?

It's not hard to be a reasonable person.  You should give it a try sometime.

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Also, piracy doesn't yell "screw the man!" it yells "I'm a lazy prick that doesn't want to pay for the products I use!" 

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 Don't play their games? What a strange notion, I don't hate the content, I hate the package. Why should all the hard work of the code monkeys be for nothing because some suit completely outside the loop sees two alternatives: one labelled no DRM with lower profits, and one labelled with DRM and higher profit. And piracy is not essentially stealing, it is stealing; get atleast that much right. Taking something without compensating he-who-owns-it is theft.

 Interesting that you would call the act of piracy stupid and immature, as I am certain that you have in some fashion, willing or not, been a patron of illegitimate software usage. This could be a game you personally downloaded, or the MS office software in your office. Having worked in IT, I can gaurantee you that there is not a one-to-one parity of license to installation; especially with site licenses. All of this is piracy, by definition. Not all of this is what the industry paints as piracy, however.

 Moreover, the act of paying for software is irrelevant to me; I make enough money to buy whatever I want, the question ultimately is what is actually worth purchasing. Piracy in this instance is magnificant because one can try before they buy and should the application in question meet expectations, one can decide if they want to purchase it. Take Sins of a Solar Empire, as an example. I knew from the get go that there was no useful DRM with it, and as such I went out of my way to purchase this from the store. The game is so-so, but I like the cut of a companies jib who tells me they trust me enough with their product not to punish me right off the starting line.

 As per being reasonable, you should perhaps draw a line, mentally or what have you, between being a pawn and being reasonable. You want to sit there with your wallet open while they drag at your cash? By all means, do what tickles you, but know that they don't give two shits about you or what you think so long as you are a willing victim. Such is big business.

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"Why should all the hard work of the code monkeys be for nothing because some suit completely outside the loop sees two alternatives: one labelled no DRM with lower profits, and one labelled with DRM and higher profit"

OH! so your justifying your piracy by saying that your just playing the game "so the code monkeys effort doesn't go to waste".

YOU ARE STILL A LIAR. You are lying to us, and your lying to yourself. Dont try to come off all high and mighty here. We will never believe that you pirate games "to stick it to the man". You do it because your a cheapass who doesn't pay for things he can get for free.

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 Justify to who? I pirated before we had this discussion and I will continue to do so regardless of your stance on the issue. Its not like I have a moral dilema everytime I load up ThePirateBay.

 The rest of your arguement has no real basis, so I'm not sure how to approach it... lulz seems like a good reply, but it seems so empty. Maybe you could do something above and beyond the person insults so we'd have something to discuss?

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 "Why should all the hard work of the code monkeys be for nothing"

it doesn't go to waste since there are thousands of over people who will buy the game and play it; the ONLY way their work could go to waste is if no one plays the game.

And seeing as you are so "concerned" for the code monkeys, don't you think they deserve some kind of "thanks", like say helping covering their paychecks? By stealing those games you give NOTHING back to all the developers that worked hard on the game... sure a lot of the money you spend on the game will go to publishers and their like, but that's also the only way the developers will get their paycheck. What right do you have to play their games if you won't even do the minimal thing for them and help cover the expenses that went into making the game? That's the real waste, when their work gets exploited by pirates who don't want to give anything back... you might aswell just go to the coders, tell them "this is a good game", then backhand them and say "now make another game for me bitch"

And piracy by it's definition is illegal... ergo if it is not considered illegal then it is not piracy. the way people use software at the office for instance is 100% legal because the office paid to have the software used in the fashion

And when it comes to piracy the high majority are NOT using it as just a way of "renting" a game... and hell of a lot of the people who start like that will play the game say "eh it's ok, but not worth buying" and then keep playing it... and if you don't like DRM then just plain don't play the game... if your not willing to deal with the drm then play something else. 90% of piracy has nothing to do with DRM and most of doesn't have anything to do with "testing" a game; its just a bunch of people being cheap... hell when it comes to the 360 which is the topic of the article, their already exists methods for legally renting games to try them out, and DRM isn't even much of issue for consoles

"You want to sit there with your wallet open while they drag at your cash?"

 one of the alternatives to "not pirating" is just boycotting the game and not playing it at all. not a single penny is lost from your wallet when you choose to just NOT play the game... it still doesn't help the coders a paycheck but atleast your no long treating them like your bitch

 

really, the only thing worst than a pirate is one that thing he has a right to pirate, believes he is doing nothing wrong, and tries to act high and mighty about what he does... really the least they can do is stop making delusional excuses and just admit what they are doing

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 Programmers don't see royalties for their games, so your arguement that I'm denying these people their bread and butter is nonsense. They get paid whether the game sells 1 or a 1 million copies.

 Piracy is however not illegal in Canada, atleast in the form I practice, thankfully. Software in an office setting is never enforced license to license. Applications are installed based on need, not accountability. If you had any background in IT you'd understand this first hand.

 You suggest that one should ignore the application due to third party applets hidden or otherwise attached to final product. This is simply foolish. Take Spore for example, without considering DRM it was/is highly acclaimed. Insert a little security here and there, and bam, its a scapegoat for corporate greed. Lets consider our options now... pay for the lease on Spore for 3 - 5 installations and (hard-disk image) lifetime of SecuRom or download it off the net for free, with no restrictions what so ever. Not a real hard choice, my friend.

 The rest of your arguements seem to be stemming from a misappropriated application of music piracy ideals. To tell you the truth, you can only tell people how it is so many times before you get tired of trying; so heres the skinny: If you want to get fleeced, all the power to you. If you think you're helping anyone but big business, you're sorely mistaken.

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" Don't play their games? What a strange notion, I don't hate the content, I hate the package. Why should all the hard work of the code monkeys be for nothing because some suit completely outside the loop sees two alternatives: one labelled no DRM with lower profits, and one labelled with DRM and higher profit. And piracy is not essentially stealing, it is stealing; get atleast that much right. Taking something without compensating he-who-owns-it is theft."

You don't seem to understand the concept of a "boycott."  You see, when grown ups want to deal with corperations they don't like, they do a little thing called "boycotting."  What happens is they stop buying the products from the store they are "boycotting" and, thus, the company gets the message that they're doing something wrong.  Why?  Because it cuts into profits.

Your goal and your prefered method of obtaining your goal are so completely out of whack, so I'll talk slow and walk you through it.  When a company sees someone pirating their games, they think "how can we make sure we don't lose this possible revenue?" not "Gee, there are a lot of people that don't like the way we're doing X."  Your method of telling the companies they're doing wrong is not helpful or insightful.  It is, in fact, cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Why?  Well, when companies see they are losing potential revenue from idiots pirating they do a little thing like add measures to counteract pirating.  This is where DRM comes in.  They put in the DRM to stop you from pirating.

One of you is going to have to stop this cycle of stupidity and I'm here to tell you that the companies wont stop, because they're right and you know they're right.  People don't pirate the fight the power, they do it because they're lazy misserable punks.

Also, theft requires that property be removed.  Piracy involves copying the data, nothing is removed(except, perhaps, the DRM or other anti-piracy measures).  This is where piracy is not theft.

"Interesting that you would call the act of piracy stupid and immature, as I am certain that you have in some fashion, willing or not, been a patron of illegitimate software usage. This could be a game you personally downloaded, or the MS office software in your office. Having worked in IT, I can gaurantee you that there is not a one-to-one parity of license to installation; especially with site licenses. All of this is piracy, by definition. Not all of this is what the industry paints as piracy, however."

I don' tknow how you missed it, but the excuse "other people were doing it" didn't work in grade school and it doesn't work in real life.  Welcome to the real world.

Also, that was a piss poor redirection of attention.  I'm not the subject of investigation here.  Piracy is.

" Moreover, the act of paying for software is irrelevant to me; I make enough money to buy whatever I want, the question ultimately is what is actually worth purchasing. Piracy in this instance is magnificant because one can try before they buy and should the application in question meet expectations, one can decide if they want to purchase it. Take Sins of a Solar Empire, as an example. I knew from the get go that there was no useful DRM with it, and as such I went out of my way to purchase this from the store. The game is so-so, but I like the cut of a companies jib who tells me they trust me enough with their product not to punish me right off the starting line."

Try before you buy?  Ever hear of renting a game?  Yeah, it doesn't work for PC games, but no one's perfect.  I'd assume this is why they have these little things called "demos."  You see, you get to try the game before you buy it.  It gives you a small snippit of the game for you to understand the basics of what's going on and after your time is up you get to decide if it's worth it to buy the game.  Yay!  No underhanded dealings or anything.

"As per being reasonable, you should perhaps draw a line, mentally or what have you, between being a pawn and being reasonable. You want to sit there with your wallet open while they drag at your cash? By all means, do what tickles you, but know that they don't give two shits about you or what you think so long as you are a willing victim. Such is big business."

The funny thing about this is that EA(as an example) wont get a red cent of my money if I don't give it to them.  Did you not understand that?  Well, let me go a bit slower.

You see, there's this thing called "choice."  It's when reasonable and rational human beings decide upon a course of action and take it.  When it comes to buying something like entertainment I have the choice in what to buy.  No one is going to force me to buy an EA game if I don't want to buy it.  Thus, it is not, in any conceivable way possible for EA to drag out of me any thing I don't want to give them.

If I want a game from them I'll buy the game from them.  If I don't want to encourage their shoddy business practices or their use of DRM I wont buy the game from them.

How can I possibly be so unreasonable?

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"You don't seem to understand the concept of a "boycott."  You see, when grown ups want to deal with corperations they don't like, they do a little thing called "boycotting."  What happens is they stop buying the products from the store they are "boycotting" and, thus, the company gets the message that they're doing something wrong.  Why?  Because it cuts into profits."

 Ahaha, your logic loops back on itself so often, I can't help but smile when I read your responses. Do tell friend, how does "using something without paying for it" differ from "not buying a product". Does the company inheritantly gain something through the illegal use of its software? I think not. You argue a moot point.

"Your goal and your prefered method of obtaining your goal are so completely out of whack, so I'll talk slow and walk you through it.  When a company sees someone pirating their games, they think "how can we make sure we don't lose this possible revenue?" not "Gee, there are a lot of people that don't like the way we're doing X."  Your method of telling the companies they're doing wrong is not helpful or insightful.  It is, in fact, cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Why?  Well, when companies see they are losing potential revenue from idiots pirating they do a little thing like add measures to counteract pirating.  This is where DRM comes in.  They put in the DRM to stop you from pirating."

 This is a problem of the companies themselves, not the method persay. There are several notable cases of developers outright stating that, "Hey guys, we won't screw you, so don't screw us". For an example of this, read up on Sins of a Solar Empire at your leisure. As for these laughable excuses for piracy counters, how soon was it that Spore was cracked after release? The internet is a magnificant beast; for every wizkid they have working for the big companies, there are 10 more waiting out on the net to pity their coding skills against the software security. It happened to Spore, it happened to the iPhone and it happened to Blu-ray. Only people getting discouraged are the poor suckers sitting there with their store bought copies meekly patting themselves on the back for fighting the good fight.

"One of you is going to have to stop this cycle of stupidity and I'm here to tell you that the companies wont stop, because they're right and you know they're right.  People don't pirate the fight the power, they do it because they're lazy misserable punks."

 Heh, and after all this banter you finally show your underlying motivation. Such passive aggressive tactics, tisk tisk.

"Try before you buy?  Ever hear of renting a game?  Yeah, it doesn't work for PC games, but no one's perfect.  I'd assume this is why they have these little things called "demos."  You see, you get to try the game before you buy it.  It gives you a small snippit of the game for you to understand the basics of what's going on and after your time is up you get to decide if it's worth it to buy the game.  Yay!  No underhanded dealings or anything."

 Care to share a tip on where I can legitimately rent PC games? Last store I saw renting them out was back in the 90's, and they stopped because it was a violation of the ToS or some such thing. And I have yet to find a playable demo that gives a good exemplar of a games features; I glean more insight from watching previews and others play the full thing than playing 10% of the game trying to make my decision. Once again you sycophantic tone holds you back from making a legitimate arguement.

"The funny thing about this is that EA(as an example) wont get a red cent of my money if I don't give it to them.  Did you not understand that?  Well, let me go a bit slower."

 Oh I understand you quite well, you're the fool who not only denies the company but denies himself. Hate EA all you want, for as conformist as it makes you look, but marvel in the coding skills of its workers. You seem to be indifferent to the idea that management is not a reflection of software engineering skill; and because of this short sightedness, you once again come off wanting.

"You see, there's this thing called "choice."  It's when reasonable and rational human beings decide upon a course of action and take it.  When it comes to buying something like entertainment I have the choice in what to buy.  No one is going to force me to buy an EA game if I don't want to buy it.  Thus, it is not, in any conceivable way possible for EA to drag out of me any thing I don't want to give them."

 Strange notion here, no one is forcing me to buy the game either, but I'm still giving it a whirl to see if the stuffs worth the DRM nonsense. The common mentality in this, and the previous, comments appears to be a head-in-the-sand tactic. Instead of exploring the potential of a software whoses security offends you, you shun it completely. Almost like the Mormons with respect to other Christian sects. Quite amusing .

"If I want a game from them I'll buy the game from them.  If I don't want to encourage their shoddy business practices or their use of DRM I wont buy the game from them.

How can I possibly be so unreasonable?"

 You still cling to the idea that DRM will just vanish if piracy vanishes; this is not the case. First and foremost because piracy will never vanish, ever. Not out of some spiteful thumbing of ones nose and fools like yourself, but due to the nature of the product. People who cannot afford it, as in China, will still need it and go to the lengths required to obtain. Indeed piracy is even quietly encouraged for certain applications, re: MS Office. An article, which I'm sorry to say I dont have a link to, alluded to the fact that Microsoft "accidentally" leaks the Office Suite onto piracy mediums so that individuals of lower means (i.e. students) would be properly trained when they hit the working world. As one knows, its easier to enforce corporate licensure than private.

 So, at the end of all this angst, you've got as little ground to stand on as when you started. You and I both refuse to be treated poorly by companies, but unlike you and passive-aggressive stance on punishing developers by punishing yourself, I take a more active stance by punishing developers by enjoying their product sans revenue.

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But how does Microsoft know which XBOX's are modded and which ones are not?

 - Warren Lewis

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Updates to the firmware that mess around with the modchips. I.E. if an xbox at bootup says "Hi, I'm a legitimate game" with non-backup and non-homebrew titles, and the modchip intercepts the first call and sends the second, the firmware will trick the modchip into sending "Hi, I'm a legitimate game" again, whereas a normal xbox wouldn't respond.

Just an example of one of the many ways. =P

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previous 360 detection schemes have had to do with drive jittering. Does anyone actually use a 360 "modchip" anyway? It's easier to just use the firmware. That way it can be uninstalled.

Anyone with a chipped system is screwed, anyone smart enough to use the firmware can flash back to the factory version, call MS, have thier machine re-scanned, and get un-banned.

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30 BLISSFUL DAYS OF CHEATERLESS GAMING!

I'm totally reinstalling StarCraft.

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 i've tried to play Starcraft a few times over the past few years. I just cant. Too many things about it annoy me now.

When it was new and the best game out there, i played at least 10 hours a day. Now, i just cant.

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I still play StarCraft.  It's the best damn game ever made.  

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I thought modders & pirates knew better than to connect their systems online.  I have also never met someone with a modded XBox that didn't use it for pirated games...or emulators at the very least.

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 The thing about X360 modding is that it's in the bios of the actual DVD drive in the system. for a very long time it was undetectable. MS has found ways, and i think this is the 3rd banhammer wave now.

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Is that a real card?

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 I was gonna ask that too. Then i noticed no (C) Copyright text at the bottom of the card.

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Where did he get the pic?

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I've seen lots of fan-made cards out there. Jack Thompson even has one.

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Yeah, everyone on the anti-microsoft banned wagon!!! ( <---- pun)

Seriously though, I don't disagree with playing copied games... won't say I've never done it... but I will say that most modders don't leave it at that. A lot of them like to also use hacked game files in order to gain an unfair advantage in online multiplayer. ANYONE who ever played Halo 2 online pre 360 has probably run into some of these guys. Again, I don't hate them for doing it or judge them really... it's their deal, but I will say that as someone who prefers to actually play an online game straight up, it's really annoying when you see guys who can't play to save their life outscoring you because they suddenly gain super speed.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

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yeah. That is annoying.

 - Warren Lewis

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I guess removing hacks would shut those american teens up on CoD4 saying you are hacking just cos you got a perfect headshot from the other side of the map...

Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I

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please dont do that again.

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The hell?

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Something tells me we're better off not knowing Shadow.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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 I'm glad this happened. I'm a 360 owner and a subscriber of Xbox Live. If you are dumb enough to mod your system and then get caught you deserve what you get. I had an original Xbox modded for emulators and playing bootlegs. I never used it online after I modded it but even still if I had used it and gotten banned...I would've said "oh well I'm the dummy who got caught doing something they didn't want me to do"(use XBL with a modded console). You break the rules don't expect sympathy.

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Woot! 100% agree with Papa!

I'm sick of the whiners here. They knowingly break thier ToS agreement with MS, and yet complain when they are held liable. If MS somehow broke thier end of the bargain, they'd be all over them!

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 ToS are written in the service providers favour; indeed, you can never turn a ToS against companies like Microsoft because it states directly in the legal document that there are no assurances of service and they have the right to do everything short of violating the law to make money off you.

 Not to sound like some dirty, unwash hippy, but you're a tool. And they make great use of you from the sounds of things.

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And they're willingly tools.  Know why?  Because they value the service offered by Microsoft and are willing to pay the money to get the service.  Oh noes!  What horrible, horrible people!

Capitalism is so horrible!  How can they stand to live like this!?

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 You're absolutely right (I shall exploit the blatant sarcasm for the win, thx), Captialism in its purest form, as can be seen via many ToS's, is a horrible thing. By comparison, Captialism run rampant with all the applicable consequences can now be seen in the financial sector of the US. Businesses drive for maximum profits, and when no ceiling is provide for them to bump their little heads on, they will quite literally greed it up to the eventual collapse of the financial system.

 Pure capitalism = fail; it happened in the 1920's, and its happening now.

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Is this the best you can do? you have nothing valuable to add to a conversation so you just open with insults? I"m not a tool, i'm not even a customer of microsofts.

The fact is that these people broke ther ToS agreements they agreed to when PAYING for a service. Now they're on forums everywhere complaining about it.

Contract law is simple. If you don't like it, dont enter into the contract.

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When the "service" is factored into the price of the product and when the "contract" is one way and when the buyer is not of a legal disposition to enter into said "agreement" it makes it kind of hard to validate the position. Result: epic fail!

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I use my XBox360 without the Live service. I don't have it modded, but I'm not willing to pay for their service when the exact, or better, thing is available to PC's for free. When I want to play a game online, I buy it for the PC. But that is neither here nor there. My point is that the XBox360 works fine without the service, they aren't even being told they can't use pirated games anymore. They are just told they can't use pirated games online anymore. To tell the truth, this is MUCH more forgiving then the cable bullet the cable companies used some time ago that destroyed modified cable boxes that were stealing free cable.

I think it is fine to refuse Live service to people who have modded their XBox 360. Think of it as stock car racing. You are allowed to race as long as you do it with an unmodded car. If they catch you using a modded car, you aren't allowed to race in the stock car races. You are allowed to race somewhere else if you want, just not in their races which they have stated time and time again are for stock cars.

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I personally have a modded xbox and use live frequently. I pay a good 70$ a year for it. I have 120~ or so pirated games and 50 which I have bought after testing them with a pirated version. I only buy the games that I find that are worth the money.

 

I would like to point out there is NO possible way to "cheat" on live with a modded xbox, because there is no way to run homebrew on the xbox at the moment.

I find it greedy of microsoft to be baning these modded xboxes because the ratio between the amount of modded xboxes and legal ones is so low I seriously doubt their porfit margin is taking a pounding because of it.

 

 

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I'm totally reinstalling StarCraft. film izle
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Amazing research for Computer science majored students in colleges and universities.

Computer science papers

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Posted 02/09/10 at 03:51pm
DarkSaber: I think he just goes round the internet copy+pasting the same bollocks to get attention.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:41pm
Valdearg: @DS: I have to admit, I chuckled when I saw the 4 Feb 2010 on that post.. >.<
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:31pm
DarkSaber: Hm, Bioshock. Not that Zippy likes to beat the dead horse by ranting about it for TWO $&%£ING YEARS!
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:30pm
DarkSaber: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.173063-Bioshock-yet-another-zippy-rant
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:26pm
Valdearg: @DS: Link!! LINK!
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:20pm
DarkSaber: Although, unsurprisingly, he's just being called an idiot alot and criticised for being as illegible as always.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:18pm
DarkSaber: Oh good lord, I just found Zippy on The Escapist.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:14pm
Valdearg: IE: Male body/Female Mind or Female Body/Male Mind.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:13pm
Valdearg: @Zip: TG == Transgendered/Transsexual.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:09pm
DarkSaber: Forget it Zippy, it's an abbreviation of a big word and so would be wasted on you
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:07pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:....TG?
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:02pm
Valdearg: @DS: Im sure that's what they'd do if it wasn't legal to just tell Gays/TG's to "Screw off," just because they're who they are.
Posted 02/09/10 at 02:50pm
DarkSaber: Whoever told him/her/it that is dumb. They should have done like most companies and made-up some bullshit, yet legal, reason for it not getting the job.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:18pm
Valdearg: I do agree that it shouldn't be legal. That's for sure.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:16pm
Andrew Eisen: Shouldn't be. Spirit of anti-discrimination laws would seem to include sexual orientation (and eye color). Plus there's always equal protection and such. Never know until you try.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:14pm
Valdearg: @AE: Doubtful. Again, it's perfectly legal.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:10pm
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:00pm
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:53pm
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
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