Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

November 17, 2008

Swedish News service The Local reports that a 15-year-old gamer from western Sweden went into convulsions on Sunday after a 24-hour WoW binge.

According to the report the boy and some friends were playing the new Wrath of the Lich King expansion. The 15-year-old's father described the scene:

They played all day and all night. Maybe they got a few hours of sleep. They ate a little food and breakfast at their computers. [When the boy went into convulsions] we were terrified and called rescue services...

Doctors said that sleep deprivation and lack of food likely contributed to the collapse of the boy, who is expected to recover fully.

Not unexpectedly, the mainstream press is linking the episode to game addiction. Britain's The Times quotes child psychiatrist Dr. Richard Graham: 

Some of my clients will discuss playing games for 14 to 16 hours a day at times without breaks and for those the consequences are potentially very severe. The problem with World of Warcraft is the degree it can impact and create a socially withdrawn figure who may be connecting with people in the game and is largely dropping out of education, social opportunities.

 

One young man described vividly to me a sense that having achieved very high success in the game, when he switched off he felt downgraded.

 

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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Dumbass parents likely let them have 'energy drinks'.

We're going to see a number of young kids having heart attacks before this is over.

Also, monitor your damn kids' game time if they can't do it themselves.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

24 hours straight is nothing to those who raid competitively. We had people who didn't really sleep once from launch to saturday night, beside a 2 hour nap. Now no one can deny the dangers of lack of sleep/food combined with highly caffinated drinks. However, my guild as well as many others on mannoroth (vodka, macabre, predestined), have proven that WoW and games in general are not what cause things like this.

During the grind up from 70-80 and subsequently raiding Sunday and Monday, I probaly slept around 2 hours a night, the rest was either spent on wow, lectures, or doing papers. While it was not pleasent and at times I did not feel 100% up to par, simply using common sense and forcing myself to eat and drink and obstaining from energy drinks made it bearable.

What my entire dialogue is trying to say is that WoW is not the factor here. The kid used it as a means to this particular end, but wow did not "cause" it. The fact is that people who are addicted to certain practices/substances are usually addicted to others as well, I will only believe the whole wow addiction thing if it comes out that this kid was addicted to porn or whatever else a 15 year old can be addicted to.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

I completly agree, though wow was in use at the time, it was not the game it'self, 24 hours is an extremly short stint, the reason he collapsed is because he wasn't very carful with what he ate and drunk during it.

I play a troll priest on AD EU, including the time i spent before release ingame on wednesday, which i started playing around 7:30am, i then proceeded to not sleep until monday night, even then i only slept for 2hours and was grinding heroics all night last night before the servers came down for maintenience and havnt bothered going to bed yet, although i hit 80 on the saturday, i then stayed on to grind cloth before switching specs for dungeons and heroics which ive been chaining since, i must have been awake for around 132 hours before going to sleep for 2 hours and staying awake for another 25 hours which is now, and i probably wont sleep now until tomorrow night because i have some heroics planned for when the servers come back online in a few hours.

I do have insomnia, and dont usually sleep very much as it is, but i have been eating 3 decent meals a day (full cooked roats, cottage pie, etc etc) and i have also been drinking alot, energy drinks and water, about a litre of water every hour combined with 1 or so red bulls an hour, ive also been eating alot of pasta and rice as it's very starchy, appart from lack of sleep, i do know how to keep myself healthy.

If you don't eat and hardly drink at all, anyone would collapse, when your staying awake for long periods thats the time where you need to eat and drink alot more than usuall and healthly, not just energy drinks and fast food which on there own will probably make you more likely to collapse.

Moral of the story: staying away for extended periods of time is fine, but if you don't care for yourself even more than normal, it will backfire.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

But 24 hours straight? More could have been done to prevent what happened to him.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Could the parents be arrested amd charged with childhood neglect for not checking up on him?

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Care to tell me where it says they weren't checking on him?

And since when was it neglect to not force your teen to keep his bedtime when he was holding a party?

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

According to a report I saw said this was an epileptic seizure brought on by sleep deprivation and prolonged concentration.

But that raises a question.  Does this kid have epilepsy?  If he does then the prolonged gaming might have triggered the seizure, but doesn't EVERY game carry the "epilepsy" warning still?  In that case...sorry Jack...no gaming addiction issue here and there WAS a warning.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

It may have been undiagnosed. There have been cases of perfectly healthy people that have experenced a single seizure episode (myself included)and never suffered another in their entire life.

 

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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Okay Jack, then shouldn't every TV, computer, and DVD/CD also come with an addiction warning? I don't see why you wouldn't say yes, considering you're totally not just an idiot with a vendetta against only the videogame industry.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

And the parents didn't stop this because?

And don't give me crap about "not understanding" or "not being aware" the article clearly demonstrates the parents were concerned.  Well you know what...

Kids do dumb things and its parent's who are responsible for stopping them.  Take the damn game away.  If your kid flips out to an unhealthy degree...well he probably needs counseling.  Kids fixate on things.  I knew a kid who wigged out when his parents wouldn't let him read his favorite book over and over cause he wasn't doing schoolwork.

If a kid has a compulsive disorder that's something to get help for.  But that's rare.

Be a parent...not a friend.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Well, as I was saying above, I'd imagine it was a matter of the parents trusting their kid to know his own limits. The  two articles GP linked to indicates no grave concern on the part of the parents until after he collapsed. They problably figured the worst that could happen would be that he'd be short on sleep later, and otherwise they were content to let him spend the weekend playing with friends.

Now that their son has demonstrated that he doesn't know his own limits, and its susceptible to worse, they're concerned, and planning to impose some limits until the boy learns to impose his own.

Really, I'm not finding much to fault the parents with here, and I'm surprised you all are. Teen holds lan party for the release of the latest WoW expansion. He and his friends engaged in relatively typical teen habits of neglecting sleep for entertainment, and being unconcerned about eating a proper diet. That one of the kids would be susceptible to seizure, rather than self correcting and eating more/getting some more sleep is not exactly something that's expected.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

One of the main things I object to when they claim you aren't socializing. Does talking on the phone count as socializing? Or writing somone a letter? Then why does VoIP and chatting online NOT count as socializing.

When I played Q3, I made friends. Sure they were online, but guess what, they were real. The existed in meat space and when I traveled up north I got to visit them. But now it isn't considered socializing unless you head on down to the juke box parlor, or some such nonsense.

In the end, it comes down to discipline, either self discipline or parental discipline. No one is going to stop doing something they enjoy if they don't want to stop and no one else stops them. But the media will always come up with these stupid angles, and I'm just going to have to call this a "MMMF story" (McDonalds Made Me Fat").

You know what, "Put the mouse down and step away from the keyboard slowly." Just because you like the game and want to keep up with your friends, there isn't any reason for you to game that long. The difference between being hardcore and being a laughingstock is knowing when to quit. Let's relate this to ninja warrior. A couple of seasons ago, a guy running the course would do tricks and such on his way, he missed completing the course by a few seconds, no one remembers him now. Last competition, Levi, a competitor from America, had lots of back flips and such in his run. He finished with the best time. Everyone said that he had done really well.  Quit while you're ahead, don't take things to extremes and make yourself look bad. Know your limits, and know the price you will pay to go beyond them. If you thought that not sleeping and not eating would just leave you tired, then you were being stupid. The body eventually shuts down, with or without your say so. You gave your parents a shock by doing something stupid.

As for feeling "downgraded", most of us feel that. Anytime I stop reading a good book, watching an engaging movie, or playing a good game, I don't like my body. I don't feel like I move as quickly as they do on TV. Then there is the post-ending depression. When you finish watching a good movie or a good book or beating a game, you kinda have this depression that it is over. Usually this is when things aren't wrapped up well. Fable's ending was anticlimatic and rather boring. Left me feeling sad. Does that mean the game was evil? Well, it is evil, but not for that reason. They really need some bug work to be done on it.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

I totally understand that point about socializing.  I keep in touch with 3 really good friends from high school largely through WoW now.  We're all busy and in different states now but usually 1 or more of us is on WoW for a couple of hours pretty much every night.

It's a great way to socialize since we can chat over Ventrilo and actually DO something together rather than just lay on our couches at home talking.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

The failure of the video game industry to clearly warn on the packaging of the addictive risk of game play is a liability noose that will hang it.  Jack Thompson

PS:  E. Zachary Knight, leave the sarcasm to people who know how to use it.  Thanks.  Is my Mary Kay order in yet?

 

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

No. It was the failure of the parents to do their jobs. End of story.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Personally, I'd say that the fact that MMORPG's can create obsessive or addictive behaviour in certain individuals is a concern that needs to be addressed, much like the increasing occurences of 'BlackBerry Addiction', hence it's nickname, 'CrackBerry'. It's a networking and status thing more than a computer thing.

Buy hey, why be specific when generalisation has done you so much good up to this point...

 

Oh wait...

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Jack;

As I'm sure you are aware, no "noose" is being hung since videogames are NOT considered medically addicting.

Until that OFFICIALLY changes (a few psychologists looking to make a quick buck do not count) there is no obligation.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

John Bruce, I was unaware that you knew how to use sarcasm. So you must be the sarcasm king. Like that time you promised to donate $10,000 to charity if someone made a game about killing game company execs.

Also, you never actually answered my question. Why do you think parents are so powerless to control the media entering their home that they need the government to do it for them?

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

And I suppose that soap companies should put warnings on their box of the dangers of those with OCD washing their hands for hours on end hm?  Sorry, but sometimes people have to take responsibility for themselves, what a concept.

 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Maybe you should focus on the idiot who forgot to tell you that addictively pursuing garbage legislation might cause you to lose your job...on second thought, that idiot was yourself.

Don't worry Jack, we'll send you out a label that you can attach to your forehead...and yes, we'll remember to to write "apply on forehead" so you don't forget.

 

 

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Don't forget to make sure the label's in reverse so he can see it in the mirror.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won Super Bowl XLIV.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

"Is my Mary Kay order in yet?"

You wear makeup Mr. Thompson?

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Granted, Mary Kay is more about skin care than make-up.

But as for the order John Bruce, I don't think my wife recieved it. Are you sure you didn't voluntarily dismiss it on accident?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

"Granted, Mary Kay is more about skin care than make-up."

My mistake, that's obviously more manly ;)

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

And so he comes back. I'd read through your articles on Human Events and read a good amount of comments. I thought you'd finally, after nearly sxity years, grown up and gotten a life. I can see i that my hope was misplaced.

Sorry, Mr. Thompson, but video games will never, ever, get that label. Video games are not physiologically addictive. Look up the word in a dictionary. The discs don't contain chemicals, and brain and body-altering chemicals are what define physiological affects. You should know this, since you used to be a medical malpractice attorney, or did you forget that? Until that happens, video games will never be put into the same circle as drugs and alcohol. Ever. Deal with it. If they were, having a hobby, ANY HOBBY AT ALL, would be grounds for institutionalization. That's where the slippery slope would lead, and that means your religion, too. And no one wants that, do they?

David Gagnon, User of Common Sense, and You're Not.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

 Only person swinging from the metaphorical liability noose is you Jacko. Indeed, out of all your pander and malcontent behaviour, the only person punished (and rightfully so) was you.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

And there you are again, trying to absolve people of personal responsibility!  Guess what? The parents LET THIS HAPPEN!! They could have stopped him at any time, but no... they just acted blissfully unaware of what the kid was doing IN THEIR OWN HOME.  Because of that, it's the kid's fault for having no self-control, and the parents' fault for not stopping him.

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

As Lex Luthor would say, "WRONG!"

It was because the parents failed to introduce the kid to Mr. Back-Of-Their-Hand, along with its wily sidekick, Mr. Foot-In-His-Ass.

The only liability is with the parents and the kid.

Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won Super Bowl XLIV.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Sorry, but if you need someone to tell you to sleep and eat, you're beyond the help of any warning label.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Where's sortableturnip when you need him? We need a facepalm pic ASAP!

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Only 24 hrs and he wussed out? I remember week long lan parties back in high school where we played for 3 or 4 days before we slept then grabed 4 hrs and played the rest of the lan.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Of course! It must be a problem with World of Warcraft! Not, you know, the people who obssess over the game themselves or the parents that let this go on. Damn you, evil media!

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

The saddest thing is he only made it 24 hours before collapsing. I've made it 36 hours and was fine.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Anyone that dies from MMO binges is Darwin Award material.

The kid has a weak will to stop, but his parents are weak-willed too. Are they too afraid of seeing their son lash out if they yank the network cable or the power cord. Parenting is not all roses and sunshine- you ARE going to come to disagreements with your child over some trivial things.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

I'll repeat what I said above.

More likely the father trusted his son to know his own limits, and was not adverse to his son spending the weekend playing with friends. Now that the son has demonstrated that he doesn't know his own limits, the father will be intervening until the son does learn his own limits/some self discipline.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

"The problem with World of Warcraft is the degree it can impact and create a socially withdrawn figure..."

I've never understood this crap about social isolation and withdrawal.  He was playing with friends.  Six of them!

Protip kids: binging on a brand new game is fine.  Hell, it's expected.  Just remember to eat occasionally, okay?  Sleep is good too.  Otherwise you'll drop from exhaustion which will cut into your valuable play time.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Well, you know. If you are not in the presense of physical bodies, you are not hanging out with friends.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Even if that was true:

"The boy was one of seven friends who had gathered on Saturday at the 15-year-old’s home in Laholm for to play the video game, a new version of which was released last week in Sweden."

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

 Ugh, I just had a horrible mental image of South Park's parody of WoW.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Considering the article states "the boy and some friends were playing the new Wrath of the Lich King expansion," it reminds me of an all-night sleepover party. Wasn't a wise move, and perhaps it's just my household, but my parents would have kicked me off that computer much sooner than 24 hours into a binge.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

If this was addiction, then their bodies would be conditioned to be able to handle this.  If you run for 24 hours straight with little food or sleep, the same thing will happen.  Hell, even watching TV will do the same thing.

If you drink too much, something like this happens too.  What is that qualified as, substance abuse.  Whose fault?  The persons.  What happens?  The person learns to be more careful, repeat the same stupid thing, or quit all together.  Can you get alcohol poisoning if you are not an alcoholic?  Hell yeah, many college students do it all of the time.

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Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

and the father saw all this and did WHAT exactly?

he WAITED for the kid to collapse? THEN got help? shouldn't it be the parents perogative to.. i dunno.. kick him off the computer at least long enough to get some sleep and a good meal? wait.. no... thats the school system and governments responsability, and when they fail its the entertainment industries fault the parents didn't do right and PARENT their kid... damn.

ahh i recall the days when my father would not only rip my net cable outta the wall but walk off with the entire computer if i began to even slump in grades... them were the days... and thats with 2 full time parents that got home usualy about the time i should've been asleep each day.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

More likely the father trusted his son to know his own limits, and was not adverse to his son spending the weekend playing with friends. Now that the son has demonstrated that he doesn't know his own limits, the father will be intervening until the son does learn his own limits/some self discipline.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

even so if his father KNEW he was doing this with very little food and sleep, then the father SHOULD have stepped in and at least ASKED how long it had been since the kid ate or sleep, or been in on it to some other degree than just watching his kid wither away at the game.

you don't just let someone wallow in something unending like that no matter how much faith ya got in'em, if the person doesn't show signs of letting up, it may be an idea to intervene and force a break.

you don't just watch them do it until they've gone and hospitilized themselves.

most people would rack that under negligence and attempt to slam these parents as unfit to parent a child. (not saying thats where it should be, but i still believe the father should've stepped in)

 

 

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

" The boy was one of seven friends who had gathered on Saturday at the 15-year-old’s home in Laholm for to play the video game"

"They played all day and all night. Maybe they got a few hours of sleep. They ate a little food and breakfast at their computers."

Sounds like an all nighter, only with more fun. When was the last time you had a seizure after pulling an all nighter?

The kid didn't "wither away at the game" while "wallowing in something unending". He spent one god damn weekend holding a lan party for his friends after a new release. Twenty-four to thirty hours of short food (snacks and a meal or two) and sleep at most. At least some of them slept some. The parents probably checked in now and then with a "How you all doing?" with an annoyed "fine!" as a response from a group of kids that looked a bit tired, but like they were having fun.

They were eating. They had all presumably slept some over the one night that had past. They were taking bathroom breaks. One kid had a presumably unknown susceptiblity to seizure that bit him in the ass.

You're basically damning someone as a negligent parent for giving parental permission to stay up as late as desired for one night for a party; and for not knowing about a medical condition that would pretty much have to existed undetected before the weekend.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

I entirely agree.

Only knowing one bit of information about a parent is hardly enough to condemn them as irresponsible.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

i agree with you completely Krono.  having participated in a number of lan parties of my own as a teenager (counter-strike anyone?),, i think most of the posters here are blowing this as much out of proportion as the attention-whoring media.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

 I've done a few all-nighter gaming sessions with friends before, and have never collapsed. Maybe this kid is just a pansy.

Re: Swedish Teen Collapses After Lich King Binge

Wow, epic fail. Better hope amen4u doesn't come in on this. *sighs*

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