Police in Winnipeg believe that a quartet of youthful offenders were acting out in video game-like fashion by stealing cars and fleeing from pursuing officers.
CBC reports on comments by Sgt. Doug Safioles:
They all play the game, they talk about the game, they tell their probation officers it's a game. It's a huge rush. They taunt the police on purpose to engage in chases.
Safioles, who did not link the teens to a specific game, made similar comments in May. At that time, however, a youth advocate linked the crimes to the region's high level of poverty.
Meanwhile, in Australia, the Daily Telegraph reports that Superintendent Dave Evans of the New South Wales police has blamed video games for a lack of responsibility on the part of teen drivers:
Video games can have a negative impact on young drivers because it increases their complacency and their indulgence in risk-taking behaviour. In games you race, you crash and it is a matter of pressing the buttons and off you go again. In real life it doesn't work that way, you can be killed.
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Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Please don't just post your sig. And doing nothing is worse that reacting. It's like sitting back and watching a drunk and abusive father tell you how stupid you are: it gives us (or at least me) the same damned feeling.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Except in real life its the cops that come to a pedestrian related collision first, which makes things awkward.
"Sir, why did you strike this old woman with your car?"
"I wanted to steal the ambulance when it came to pick her up..."
<awkward silence>
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LOL
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No, No, they're absolutely right. Driving games have impacted my style. I've literally piled ferrari's into concrete banners at 60 mph in driving games, and having seen what can happen; I have absolutely no desire to reproduce the experience.
Anybody dumb enough to not understand that there are basically 4 things in this life that you do not want to purposely antagonize, gets what they deserve. Accidents happen, sure, people make mistakes, sure, but when certain agents/agencies are unhappy, nothing good can come of it. 1) the wife, 2) the cops, 3) the IRS, 4) DoD.
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awww. And here I am calling the IRS dicks and the DoD idiots. You think they'll get me?
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
"In real life it doesn't work that way, you can be killed."
Thank you capt. Obvious.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Does that mean he outranks Sgt. Doug "Misguided" Safioles?
Kids have been doing this since there were horses. Kids ALWAYS have felt invincible. This is not new.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Damn. It. More of them thar vidja-games makin' kids do stupid stuffs.
I guess they forgot the 'Less Wanted Stars' cheat.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
I remember my father and uncles talking about doing that when they were teenagers. Said they were bored to tears and it gave them and the cops something to do. This was when muscle cars were around, with the huge back tires and what-not.
Must have been video games back then too.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
No, in your father's case it was a genetic lack of intelligence, which he obviously passed on to this son. Jack Thompson
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Despite your resilient attitude in your past career, I doubt that you had any real passion for law.
How did I conclude this? Lawyers/attorneys are known for being suave talkers and having excellent soft skills. You have never displayed any examples of this.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
You do know you look stupid when you talk about yourself like that?
- Warren Lewis
Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.
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Video games, genetics. Is anyone EVER responsible for any of their own actions in your world John?
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Yeah, I'm sure that your father said Comic Book were evil, and so did movies and music. Get a life Jack, you don't have the power to sue like you did when you were a lawyer.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Mr. Thompson, that's no way to sound professional. Go back to your own blog, you're clearly addicted to this one.
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Said the guy who thought it was a good idea to submit pr0n to the court :p
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Jack, that is uncalled for, come on. Lets be civil here for once. I will give you credit if you play fair and answer my questions.
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Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Guys seriously. Stop giving him a reaction. It's what he wants.
*Jack Thompson loves it when people argue with him. He whacks off to it! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!*
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I will wait for Dennis to say so
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As will I.
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Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Well, I certainly won't sit by and let this bastard spew his hate without reacting in some way.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
The reaction is what he wants. He's the equal of an attention starved child screaming for attention, good or bad.
We won. He lost. Period.
*Jack Thompson loves it when people argue with him. He whacks off to it! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!*
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EDIT: So what's your excuse?
Game on, brothers and sisters.
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I went to high school in the suburbs and hung with a mostly older crowd. I heard a lot of stories from bored teenagers about getting stoned and/or drunk and running from the cops. The popular video games at the time were things like Galaga and Joust. If those games had any effect, it was that when you were playing them you were in the local pizza parlour drinking pepsi and not at a friends house drinking alcohol or doing drugs or driving around like an idiot. Video games were by far the least destructive thing that we actually enjoyed doing.
From what I am able to observe that hasn't changed much. The games have just gotten more realistic (Well... that and they've moved to the console so that you can be at your friends house drinking at the same time ;-)
What I see today is that teens are being encouraged not to play video games, because of the perception it is harmful even though it is one of the few activities that distracts them from doing actual harm to themselves and others. The old standby activities are still there - drinking, drugs, unprotected sex, vandalism, reckless/impaired driving. The biggest difference is that now when they get caught they know that they can just blame it on the games.
This isn't really a new thing. Those of you who were around in the 80s might remember all the fuss about Dungeons and Dragons which was ostensibly the same.
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I wish we could invent something to divert the scapegoating away- no, not a new form of media. Rather, a holy grail of culture that will make people future-proof for any potential culture shock that technology might bring us.
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Absolutely the video games... I know someone who has ran from the cops 8 times and gotten away every time. He modified his car to go fast and turn fast, and be able to go off road. (rally style mods)
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""Video games can have a negative impact on young drivers because it increases their complacency and their indulgence in risk-taking behaviour."
Based on what?
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Based upon brain scan studies referenced in a State Farm ad about teen driving, done by the National Institutes for Health and cited by Justice Kennedy in Roper v. Simmons, which, in March 2005, struck down the juvenile death penalty. These are the same bran scan studies that show video games are processed in this risk-taking, copycatting part of a teen's brain. Do you have any more stupid questions, Erik? Jack Thompson
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Whats with you and the first lady to be? :P Love your new gig. You gonna do a new spin zone on us?
- Warren Lewis
Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.
So gove the link to these data
So Jack,
I want to see those proof. rule #1 of arguments, always have a good evidence. You were known to fake up evidence and just moan and moan and bitchin around convincing people that video game were the cause of violence.
Yeah I'm sure Charles Whitman in the 1966 when he shoot up University of Texas, he was on CounterStrike.
So were the Chechen Rebels that killed bunch of little students in Russia, was that Counterstrike fault?
So was the Kent State Massacre caused by Counterstrike in 1970 before Atari 2600 was released.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
I thought people like that were 'overeducated,' Mr. Thompson?
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Anyone whose taken basic psychology (like yours truly) knows there is no copycat center in the brain; there are parts of ones brain dedicated to learning, sensory, memory, etc. Care to revise your statement, Mr. Thompson?
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Yes. Then why has juvenile crime dropped in the years since GTA has been released according to the FBI. You have no idea just how vast the gaming population is. Those you claim killed due to games, such as in Columbine, are statistically irrelevant compared to the tax paying, law abiding majority who has not had anything more serious than a parking ticket.
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
CIA has stats about it too. It was about violent crimes at different age groups, and how it dropped most in the younger age groups, but it was a drop across all age groups over the years. I looked at the release of the first GTA, and it matches up to the same year the violent crimes started to drop. Not saying they are directly related, but that it is not causing more.
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Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
''These are the same bran scan studies that show video games are processed in this risk-taking, copycatting part of a teen's brain. ''
...and?
just like you fail to understand correlation and causation, you fail here too.
Even taking what you say at face value, just because the same part of the brain were used, it means only that, its the same part of the brain. Doesnt mean anything more on its own.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
I want to know just what part of the brains is supposedly responsible for "risk-taking" and "Copycatting" to start with and just how such behavior is supposedly linked to video-games.
And Thompson.:Put up or shut up!.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
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ITs totally a dumb thing for even disbarredGuy to say.
I mean put it this way.
Lets say i have a certain number of existing sections in my brain to deal with different things.
Each time i learn a new thing, my brain doesnt magically grow an extra kilogram of brain tissue just so it has an entirely new area to learn/process something. It just uses some of the tissue it already has.
So if i learned a new activity tomorrow, e.g. golf, i dont grow a new 'golf' section. My brain just deals with it using the exiting tissue it has. This may well be an area also used for something else. Doesnt mean its related necessarily.
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Yeah I know. He just has used that phrasing so many times I had to ask.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
First, where is a link to said study, especially since they are all published online as well as offline now, and what are the main 5 main things that support your side of this little debate, more if you want to list more. (List form most prefered...)
Jack, did you ever have neuroimaging done? (I thick even you would think it was kinda cool.)
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See my sig. PLEASE!
*Jack Thompson loves it when people argue with him. He whacks off to it! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!*
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Yeah! Let's all ask Lowenstein how that worked out.
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NO.
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Shut up.
Do you remember what Hal Halpin said in response to Doug Lowenstein's letter after Thompson's disbarment? He said that he wish he had done something sooner than let JT have the only voice at the podium for so long.
If we don't retaliate and smush this insect of a person into the ground every so often, people without common sense and a critically thinking mind will listen to him and become his little army of sheeple. They will push and shove and bleat everyone's ears off until that which we gamers hold so dear are ripped from our hands.
So no, A-wel Cruiz, I will not feed the troll because I don't feed the troll. I whack its head with a club, telling it to shut up whenever it rears its ugly head to spout its hate.
Remember this quote: "For evil to win, good men need only do nothing."
Game on, brothers and sisters.
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"Remember this quote: 'For evil to win, good men need only do nothing.'"
I remember this quote from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night...
Alucard: It wasn't, but remember, "the only thing necessary for evil to triumph..."
Richter Belmont: "...is for good men to do nothing."
Sure, it's from the DXC version, but it's virtually the same thing.
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Right. I don't remember who first said that, but I was basically paraphrasing......I was close.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
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All is well, brother.
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Things were different then. Jack now has no power other than to annoy us. All he can do now is troll this site and get off on people reacting to him. He's nothing but a bully now, and no longer deserving of our attention.
And arguing his point never works. We are incapiable of changing his mind. So just ignore the sad, lonely loser, and let him fade into obscurity where he belongs.
*Jack Thompson loves it when people argue with him. He whacks off to it! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!*
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Actually, you're only half-right. He was stripped of his power of attorney, but he still has his razor-sharp activist teeth. And we gamers still need to be there when he makes a public appearance, wielding nail files and sand blasters to turn the
I really wish I could ignore him; believe me, I'd love it if I could forget about him and he'd go away! But he won't quit; because I have a voice, I won't quit either. I'll stop when he admits defeat, is convicted, committed, passes away from old age or sickness (I'm guessing the first one, since he's about three decades older than me), excommunicated, or is completely and utterly humiliated; not just in the gaming media, but in the national media, or better, the world media. I really would love to ignore him and have him just go away, but it won't be that simple. As long as he is here, spouting his hate, belching I'll stay right here, standing against him, parrying his arguments.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
P.S. Since your sig says he whacks off to us arguing against us, isn't that technically instigation?
EDIT: Now if someone else tries to start a flame war with Thompson, then by all means, don't tease the troll.
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Look, if you don't like it, all we can say is "GTFO"
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Re: Cops See Video Game Connection in Stolen Cars, Wild Driving
Gran Turismo taught me the physics of driving, and that if you go into a turn too fast, you are screwed. So how do games hurt driving skills?
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