Research Group: Gaming PC Market is Huge
Research Group: Gaming PC Market is Huge
November 19, 2008
The reports of PC gaming's demise are greatly exaggerated, it would seem.
A new study released by Jon Peddie Research predicts enormous growth in the market for gaming PCs. The research firm reports that PC gaming hardware is currently a $20 billion market, and is expected to grow to $34 billion by 2012.
Peddie also foresees potential recessionary problems for consoles as buyers weigh the cost of adding an HDTV to go along with their PS3, Xbox 360 or Wii. The combination can push the total console gaming investment well past the price of a dedicated gaming PC.
Report co-author Ted Pollak commented:
Don't let the retail [PC games sales] numbers fool you. Enthusiast PC gamers often latch onto one or two games that offer multiplayer options and stick to these titles for years. Hardware is where they spend the big bucks. The retail numbers don't capture the casual and digitally distributed games either. Retail software figures are not an accurate barometer for the health of the PC gaming industry.
GP: By way of caution we should note that this data comes from a press release issued by JPR as a means of attracting companies to purchase their reports.
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Posted 02/09/10 at 12:22pm
Valdearg: @AE: And that's fine. Official "Church" functions are fine, despite the fact that it's discrimination, it's what I guess I would
Valdearg: @AE: And that's fine. Official "Church" functions are fine, despite the fact that it's discrimination, it's what I guess I would
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:21pm
Valdearg: What's stopping someone from working with the church to declare a Catholic Corporation, that would retain it's "right" to discriminate against non-Catholics?
Valdearg: What's stopping someone from working with the church to declare a Catholic Corporation, that would retain it's "right" to discriminate against non-Catholics?
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:20pm
Valdearg: Let me ask you this. What defines something as "catholic"? There are Catholic Schools, Churchs, Charities, and even law firms.
Valdearg: Let me ask you this. What defines something as "catholic"? There are Catholic Schools, Churchs, Charities, and even law firms.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:20pm
Andrew Eisen: Indeed. You can restrict the membership of your private club however you see fit. However, a business can't refuse to hire someone based on sexual orientation.
Andrew Eisen: Indeed. You can restrict the membership of your private club however you see fit. However, a business can't refuse to hire someone based on sexual orientation.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:20pm
gellymatos: Would you hire someone against gay rights for a position of leadership in a gay rights advocacy group?
gellymatos: Would you hire someone against gay rights for a position of leadership in a gay rights advocacy group?
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:19pm
gellymatos: So, it's wrong to not hire a guy for a position specific to a belief when his belief conflicts with his position.
gellymatos: So, it's wrong to not hire a guy for a position specific to a belief when his belief conflicts with his position.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:18pm
Valdearg: And either way, it's discrimination. I'm not saying that the Government should force the church to make gay people priests, but there are plenty of other seemingly "religious" posts that really aren't all that religious.
Valdearg: And either way, it's discrimination. I'm not saying that the Government should force the church to make gay people priests, but there are plenty of other seemingly "religious" posts that really aren't all that religious.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:17pm
Valdearg: There's a fine line between Job Descrimination and Letting them practice their religious "right" to discriminate.
Valdearg: There's a fine line between Job Descrimination and Letting them practice their religious "right" to discriminate.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:15pm
gellymatos: Oh, and they are worried that "would restrict the right of a church school to employ a head teacher who shared their faith"
gellymatos: Oh, and they are worried that "would restrict the right of a church school to employ a head teacher who shared their faith"
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:15pm
Andrew Eisen: If it is separate, then the church has every right to discriminate against its own members. Put another way, the gov't has no say who the church lets in its own organization.
Andrew Eisen: If it is separate, then the church has every right to discriminate against its own members. Put another way, the gov't has no say who the church lets in its own organization.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:14pm
Andrew Eisen: Haven't read the law and not sure how it works overseas but is there a separation of church and state?
Andrew Eisen: Haven't read the law and not sure how it works overseas but is there a separation of church and state?
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:14pm
Valdearg: Like I said. He wants the Church to retain it's right to Job Discrimination. He want's the right to be above the law, and discriminate against gays. ALSO, there were provisions in the bill to prevent that scenario, with the priesthood.
Valdearg: Like I said. He wants the Church to retain it's right to Job Discrimination. He want's the right to be above the law, and discriminate against gays. ALSO, there were provisions in the bill to prevent that scenario, with the priesthood.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:12pm
gellymatos: How about actually reading the article: " which they fear will make them admit homosexuals to the priesthood".
gellymatos: How about actually reading the article: " which they fear will make them admit homosexuals to the priesthood".
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:09pm
Valdearg: So, yeah.. From your official leader, your church OPPOSES equality.
Valdearg: So, yeah.. From your official leader, your church OPPOSES equality.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:09pm
Valdearg: He wants the church to be able to discriminate against gays. He wants the chruch to be above the law, when it comes to discrimination.
Valdearg: He wants the church to be able to discriminate against gays. He wants the chruch to be above the law, when it comes to discrimination.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:07pm
Valdearg: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7133053/Pope-attacks-Labour-laws-on-equality.html
Valdearg: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7133053/Pope-attacks-Labour-laws-on-equality.html
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:07pm
gellymatos: And I never said "we're totally with you guys".
gellymatos: And I never said "we're totally with you guys".
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:07pm
Valdearg: Oh, BTW. Here's the POPE coming out in SUPPORT of Employment Discrimination of Gays.
Valdearg: Oh, BTW. Here's the POPE coming out in SUPPORT of Employment Discrimination of Gays.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:06pm
gellymatos: Sorry we're not totally on one side or another. It's how we are. It's our belief.
gellymatos: Sorry we're not totally on one side or another. It's how we are. It's our belief.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:04pm
Valdearg: You can't just pick and choose what rights you want to support and say "Ok, we're totally with you guys, now!"
Valdearg: You can't just pick and choose what rights you want to support and say "Ok, we're totally with you guys, now!"
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I can buy and make a PC, from scratch, for less $800, tops. It will play Crysis, Fallout 3, and a large number of MMO's and RTS's, all at a better quality than consoles can currently provide. And I can mod my games, play OLDER games through emulations, watch HD movies on an HD screen (at a MUCH lower price, right in front of me), and have access to the internet, music, pictures, printer, instant messaging, Skype, CD burner and scanner. My sound system is top notch and doesn't require extensive re-wiring, and allows me the option to play with headphones. I can buy a Blu-Ray drive, even burner, at a mere FRACTION of the price for conventional Blu-Ray players. I can customize every facet of my gaming experience instead of being GIVEN options through an online marketing system where I have to pay to play online.
All for less than $800. Tops.
So... no. PC gaming was NEVER dying.
I'd rather have a console. Besides, I'd rather have an HDTV in my bedroom or living room, with a Bluray player instead of sitting at my computer. Also, consoles don't have annoying DRM.
PC gaming might not be dead, but it's not nearly as good as console gaming.
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Also, consoles don't have annoying DRM.
Sir, one could argue that consoles have the most annoying DRM of all, being that the console manufacturer ultimately controls what content you are allowed to use on the system you have bought. But I digress, just had to fuel the console-vs-PC flames a bit. :)
Regional encoding. Have to have the disk to play. Anything you pay to download is only on a single machine and can't be moved. Oh yes, no DRM.
Umm...you ever tried to play Xbox Live Arcade content online or on a different gamertag after your red ringed console was replaced?
I'd rather have a console. Besides, I'd rather have an HDTV in my bedroom or living room, with a Bluray player instead of sitting at my computer.
And I'd rather have a monitor on my desk closer to me and easier to see that displays the EXACT same resolutions all at a fraction of the price of an average HDTV- not to mention that I can still hook my 360 up to my monitor and switch off between my PC and console with a single button press.
PC gaming might not be dead, but it's not nearly as good as console gaming.
When you can tell me how to successfully mod a game on consoles to make them more engaging, more interesting, better to look at or better to play, let me know, because I'd love to play the Morrowind Mog*Mod on my X-box- but until that happens, I can only play it on my PC... along with countless mods that improve the visual quality of the game, the entertainment value, the longevity, replayability, and countless bug fixes that were never covered by Bethesda in either the PC version or X-box port.
When you can tell me how to scale back the graphics of a newer game for a newer console so I can play it on an older console with older hardware, let me know. At least with PC gaming, I don't have to worry all that much about backwards compatability- hell, if I wanted, I could play older games from OTHER consoles and arcade kiosks on my PC as opposed to just old PC games.
So... I'm not that convinced.
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"I'd rather have a console. Besides, I'd rather have an HDTV in my bedroom or living room, with a Bluray player instead of sitting at my computer. Also, consoles don't have annoying DRM.
PC gaming might not be dead, but it's not nearly as good as console gaming."
qfl.
You whole post is wrong. New Video cards now come with hdmi and can easily be hooked up to an hdtv. I don't know about you, but I CAN PLAY VIDEO GAMES ON MY PC, ON AN HDTV, WITH A WIRELESS XBOX 360 CONTROLLER (which I won't because mouse and keyboard are 10x better). At any rate, what have you found about drm so annoying besides it being a little harder to pirate? Please don't say stuff like your post to people that are hardcore pc, hardware, and game fanATIcs. If you need help, there are a ton of people that can help you at www.hardocp.com and www.hardforum.com.
Casual gaming is to dedicated console gaming; dedicated console gaming is to dedicated PC gaming; dedicated PC gaming is to The Sims and Bejeweled.
That's the short version.
You may be representative of the savvy PC gamer who actually knows the hardware side relative to the software, but that is sort of the point behind the comment that "PC gaming is dying." There is a reason that flash-based games of the lowest common denominator still captivate in large numbers and that is that those of the savvy variety represent more the minority than the majority of PC gamers. And that's the principle difference between PC gaming and console gaming: Console gaming, the hardware is set, the software made accordingly; PC gaming the software is set, the hardware made accordingly.
Mind you, it's not my intention to slag PC gaming, though I will admit that I'm more a console gamer; the console preference is from the fact that I've grown up from playing an NES through SNES, PSX to PS2, Gamecube, Xbox to the 360. The last game I was even remotely proficient with a keyboard was Duke Nukem 3D.
But it remains that niche markets rarely are the aim, as they only do so well and only have so much return, whereas broad appeal, while not always long on longetivity, is often plenty more on the returns. Hence, the Wii's popularity across the board and the emerging definition of the "casual gamer." It's moron-simple, you wave this thing, jab at that, and even in (sometimes) goofy imitation of what's supposed to be the proper "real-life" action. Plenty of games on the 360 and PS3 offer more rich experiences in storytelling and depth of gaming, but not as many people are apt with a controller as even the most spastic walking seizure can be with the Wii, and thus is the result of which one has been the most-selling system of those three.
And then there's PC gaming, which is of a richer variety of depth and potential than what console gaming offers, solely because of its greater freedom of development combined with its impermanent ceiling of height in viscereal experience.
Sure, the quality is quite amazing, but there's still the business side of it. Everyone wants to be the artist untouchable, but it's still nice to be able to eat a square meal and claim a roof over one's head.
Or to put most of my point more succinctly, per the Dead Kennedys: Give me convenience or give me death.
Psst, we're talking about Gaming PC's, not PC gaming.
Pssst, one hand turns the other.
Ah, the mysterous stranger; I know him well.
On PCs, you have MMOs, and you have Valve. Both are richer than god because of their profit returns. This isn't even going in to EA with Sims and Spore. Plus, seeing how the sales numbers for steam (or any other pay and download services) never get released, we really have no clue how the PC gaming market is really doing since all those numbers that say it's dying come from retail outlets.
So no, I don't think PC gaming is dying. If a lot of these companies would actually make a good, reasonably priced PC game rather than a crappy port of a 360 game, then maybe they'd see some return on those rather than having it pirated like crazy.
This has my interest. An $800 machine which will play those games. What parts did you use?
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Windsor 2.8GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor - $87
APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case- $65, lotta fans.
Thermaltake W0093RU ATX 12V 2.0 Version 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC, and CB- $70
Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive- $60
ASUS M3N72-D AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard- $135
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory- ... just checked, at $35... wow...
BFG GeForce 9800GTX - $170. Didn't see THAT one coming...
Grand total, minus shipping and handling- $622
This isn't even considered top-notch, or even overly powerful compared to most computers that you can make below the $800 cap, but you could STILL play Fallout 3 at a higher setting than the 360 can display, and this will last you. I'dd pay $22 extra for this than buy a PS3.
Thanks. So glad I learned how to build a computer at college. I saved this on my computer so I can use it when I build it.
As for what this article is about PC gaming is the eternal home of strategy games. I have yet to play a console RTS that was as good in terms of controls as it's PC equivalent. I have Red Alert Retaliation for the PS1 and I've played the Red Alert series on PC (Command and Conquer the first decade) and the controls for the consoles just never have the versitility of the PC version. Also you can mod PC games with no issues. No modibility for console games. Hence though I have a xbox 360 elite I have to say PC>consoles for video games.
I should note that I made a mistake- I based my price upon finding out the graphics card was cheaper. I WAS going to go for an 8800, but this one is the same price. As a result, I need a slightly more expensive power supply, bringing the price up to...
... $675. Which is still a damn sight less than $800, and I'd STILL pay $75 extra bucks for this than buy a PS3.
I second that. This is another major advantage PCs have over consoles. YOu can upgrade a PC. When your console becomes obselete you have to buy the next generation one. When your PC becomes obselete you just buy more modern parts which tends to cost a good deal less then a new console. Really looking forward to this given that I may even be able to use some parts from my current PC.
Y'know, I'm one of the most consoleist gamers that ever consoled a console, and I had never understood where this "claim" that PC gaming was on a downfall, or even dead. I always figured it was more or less on the same level like the other consoles. Maybe it's not making as much money but still far, far from dead.
Although I have bought from almost every console generation since 1980, I did skip the current one because I wasn't exactly happy with the selection. I instead slowly built my rig to the monster that it is today.
I'll just keep this simple, then: You'll never hear about a console game that has been PC-ized.
I love both consoles and my PC but except for a few games I rather have the PC version over the console version. The biggest reason is I can change settings to give me a better playing experience than what is usually fixed on a console. These are namely video settings and while the console strive for 30fps or more they do something fail to hit that mark in parts of the game. Also brightness settings in some games would be nice.
With better games comes more gamers. Consoles had better games, then gamers flooded to it, then developers flooded to it and made crappy cheap games. Now the more 1337 developers are making great PC games again, and gamers are going that direction. It is only logical. The crap game developers will start flooding the PC market again long before the masses get to the PC like before, then the focus will go back on consoles...
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My PC is always going to be my primary gaming rig. It's just a better platform - it has better graphics and more processing power than any console, and the games available for it are much broader-based than the adolescent-oriented console games that are available for the PS3 or Xbox 360. Also, PC games can be modded, whereas console games cannot. I own an Xbox 360 and a gaming PC and if I had to give one of them up it wouldn't be the PC.
I agree, the nature of the industry is to flip-flop around. The PC market is nowhere near dead though, we just have less games coming out and less inclined to buy our games from retail outlets. Other than WoW expansions the last time i bought a PC game at a retail outlet was back in like, 2003? hell i forget, when did X2: The Threat come out? anyways, it's easier to get the demo on steam and the buy it if its good. Or if it's not on steam i'll use Direct2Drive, usually anything I want to get are on either of the 2. Honestly PC gaming will never die just as console gaming will never die, gaming in general will never die :P Everyone just has their preferences, I like both personally, all depends on my mood.
my point is lets not bash each others preferences, we're all gamers, its why we're here.
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PC gaming is certainly not dying, but what mean when they say that is it's changing. It's no longer about the days of Counter-Strike or Unreal and Quake being the biggest things in the world, or even about playing Everquest and Starcraft on days on end till you colapse of exaustion. It's also no longer about the graphics as much as it used to. Something like Quake 3, everyone pounced on as justification to build a nice rig. The difference between something like Quake and Crysis, is Quake actually sold well. No one wants to build up a $1200 rig anymore to play a certain game on high settings. Today the PC market is basically WoW, and the only person really representing the last bastion of hardcore PC enthousiest gamers is Valve. Everything else just revolves around those two things, even though WoW dwarfs Half Life in some way. You see companies like EA ween off high budget, high system requirement games in favour of something that you play in a browser format like Battlefield Heroes. And stuff like Maple Story, and all these korean games are having more sucess than something with hardcore, niche properties. 1UP has stated that the PC market is changing, it's all about playing in a browser format, it's all about microtransaction games, and I belive that it is.
PC gaming is also frustrating. When a certain error pop's up, it can be down right infurating to figure out what the problem is, and it can also ruin your experience simply because your hardware is somewhat, somehow incompatable with the game your playing on, so you get this arcane discripitory error that you go like "what does that mean?" Yes, PC gaming has the best backwards compatability but also the worst. You can make everything work, it just takes a lot of time, patience, and fiddling with things that you wish you could just hit the button and say go! (I've been trying to get Heavy Gear 2 to work on my PC for ages, and System Shock 2 is an absolute nightmare to get running.)
Piracy is also not helping what was the hardcore scene much either. Piracy is not killing the PC gaming market? Why don't you go ask the World of Goo guys? 90% piracy rate! And they took off DRM as an option as a "good will" to the gamers out there. Didin't a majority of people on this community say "well if it didin't have DRM it would actually sell better, or I encourage the purchase of DRM-free games." Where did that get them? They might not be spiraling the drain right now, but only because they cite the Wii version as where they are making their money.
I could go on and on about this but, bottem line is the PC market is changing.
Real men build there own. If you have the time to play enough games that you need a gaming PC, then you have the time to build one of your own. Step up to the plate.
Also I LOL'd hard at World of goo. Love to see the people on torrent sites saying 'oh, i tried it out before I bought it'
drm won't stop piracy, and neither will having no drm. there are other ways.
You can sell all the hardware you want, if gaming manufactures are not making a substantial profit off the medium then they are not going to make a product for PC users. This is a simple fact.
I can sell a million DVD players a year and only sell 20,000 DVDs, where as my rival can sell 400,000 BETA players a year however more than 2 million BETA cassettes are purchased a year. Guess which platform will be getting the bulk of movies?
Gee, it's too bad that PC games don't have an option to scale back the graphical output for older PC's, thus allowing for a market that includes consumers without high-end rigs. They'd make more money if more people could play their games without having to constantly upgrade.
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