Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

November 22, 2008 -

Comedian and activist Bill Cosby likened Grand Theft Auto to a prison prep course during an appearance in Greenwood, Mississippi on Thursday.

Cosby, who urged the local African-American community to take an active role in bettering their neighborhood, dismissed Rockstar's controversial game series, saying:

Cost your mother $250 to buy that for you so you can practice your entrance exam (to prison).

Cosby's remarks were filmed for an upcoming documentary. Among his other comments:

The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture.

Via: Greenwood Commonwealth


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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Wasn't he caught wasted on Sportscenter once?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

He was! I saw him on Sportscenter last month and he was tripping on laced pudding or something.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

*pudding joke*

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Eating pudding and Jello is an entrance exam to obesity and diabetes.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Wasnt there a mission in IV that had the mafia tasking you with"removing" someone who was arrested as a punishment for his foolishness?

 

To me, seeing that is more of a deterrent because you get an idea that pretty much any criminal activity could be stepping on the toes of someone higher up, this sort of stuff sounds more like he has heard of a popular game that is controversial for its criminal activities so he has said this stuff so he could get a rise out of some people, I doubt there is much to worry about here, public displays of incompetence are very popular in this day and age, its one of the great things about that first amendment!

(To all those possibly offended, I meant that in the best possible way, I am a firm advocate of acting like an absolute tit in the middle of the streets!)

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

It's Video Game Cosby!

I've fixed his quote:

"Ya’see, Rudy, you cost your mother $250 to buy that zip zop zoopity zop game for you, ya’see, so you can practice your entrance exam to prison, Theooooooo!"

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

You, immedaitely report to the sex chamber. We need more of you in this world.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I beat Dominion War, does that mean I'm qualified to join the United Federation of Planets?

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Starfleet, maybe. I happen to be a captain, BTW.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Um, I believe the entrance exam to prison consists of murder, rape, and burglary, Mr. Cosby.

Bill, you need to shut the hell up about things you have no idea about; have you ever been to Los Angeles? REAL people kill each other and innocent civilians over RIVALRIES; if GTA is the best example you can find of an "entrance exam", why don't you look at the Crips and Bloods?

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Wow, people are STILL going on about GTAIV?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I appreciate Cosby's take on parenting. He's on the money most of the time, is a great comedian, and deserves every honorary award he's received.

But when it comes to shooting his mouth off about something he knows little about, mostly because I really don't think he's spent a few hours playing GTA, he's wrong. However, I understand that no one is perfect, including him, who admitted to cheating on his wife back in the 90's (only after the extortionist fake daughter Autumn Jackson came along). On the list of things that are pretty bad, like lying to your roomate about paying the rent on time, calling in sick to work because you bought a new game,... lying to your lifelong partner is somewhere above those. Really, Mr. Cosby? You spoke so well about Camille back in the 80's. Rant, rant.. rant.

He should continue to point issues at things he really knows about, such as parenting and race education (hell, he as a doctorate degree in education!), but don't include those that you don't know squat about, oh you know, like VIDEO GAMES.

 

 

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

His degree is in physical education. As he put it in "Bill Cosby- Himself", he'd tell your child to take a lap.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I definitely agree with that last part. "They don't know their culture." but that goes for a lot of rappers too. But attacking games? Please, Bill, don't start. You've done so much good. Don't throw it away now. "Cost your mother to buy that for you"? Please tell me that's your latest stand-up routine...

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Bill Cosby has been against any kind of violent media since...well...forever I guess.  Adding video games doesn't surprise me too much.  He's not like someone like JT that think video games are the herald of the apocolypse.  He treats all violent media in the same light. 

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Wondering how long it will be before Uncle Bill finally tosses in his hat and joins the world of politicians.  That way he can deny anything he said, speak through both sides of his mouth (and possibly his arse) and preach of things to which he lacks a clue. 

Oh wait he already doing that isn't he?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Yeah, the real irony here is that people who play videogames like GTA IV are probably LESS likely to commit crimes than other people, mainly because GTA IV costs a lot (especially when you factor in the price of the console) and it tends to demand that players have a steady income and stay in the home during their free time.

The defining characteristics of criminals are:

1. they spend very little free time at home.

2. they have little money because they have no steady job.

The fact is, videogames tend to be played by the middle classes, not the poor.  If the poor had the money to invest in an Xbox and if they were willing to play GTA IV it might actually cut down on some crime.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

While i know these points can be argued, you have (quite simplisticly) defined criminals. Just make sure you never turn the argument around, and use it for stereotyping :)

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Cost your mother $250 to buy that for you so you can practice your entrance exam (to prison).

Just like:

Madden is practicing your entrance exam to the NFL

Ace Combat is practicing your entrance exam to the Air Force

Resident Evil is practicing your entrance exam to fighting biological weapons

Metal Gear Solid is practicing your entrance exam to fighting walking nuclear tanks

Phoenix Wright is practicing your entrace exam to become an attorney

 

The people who make ridiculous statements like this have no idea what they are talking about. They just want to find a scapegoat and a catchy statement in order to gain some notoriety. Some have good intentions, but for most, it's just about the "attention".

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

You sir, have an excellent point and thus win a cookie.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

"Phoenix Wright is practicing your entrace exam to become an attorney."

We still need to get JT to play that.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I never rememeber Cosby revealing himself to be a racist. Could you provide some kind of link or something please?

Anywho, working around inmates for over seven years, the topic of video games has come up on more than one occassion. Do you know what most of the inmates played (if they played them at all)?

Madden.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

There are a lot of for and against arguments about his racist comments and attitudes.

Google "Bill Cosby" with "racist", "racist comments" and other such words and you'll find a large number of sites arguing for and against.  There's no real one choice over the other.  I suspect Wikipedia also covers it somewhat, but there are a lot of views regarding his comments and actions over time.


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"The only time I have seen him be called a racist is when people say his 'pound cake speech' was racist. It was far from racist, but was spinned as being such to sensationalize headline in the news.

Here is the whole speech, including crowd reactions while he was giving it:

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

Edit: I just read the whole article and I can't really see anything wrong with what he was saying. Most of what he was talking about was things affecting the black community. If you would read the article, it mentioned that he was being humorous when he made the comment. Don't try and take it out of context like he was frothing at the mouth when he said his statement about GTA. Don't forget he is still a comedian.

Really, this is kind of blown out of proportion and GP is only touching on what was supposed to be a humourous side comment to part of a much larger speech. Read the article peeps.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I still have respect for Bill Cosby because of what he said about the black community. If you're white and say this, you are a racist. And if you are black and say this, you are an Uncle Tom. To these critics, if a group that was historically your enemy did something and they turned out better for it, it is still considered bad because you're guilty by association (a bad fallacy). Why would anyone support a culture that calls upward mobility "selling out"? Those kinds of cultures are destined to raise inferior citizens forever.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

A lot of what I've heard Dr. Cosby say about the black community in America is spot-on. 

In America, if you're black and you succeed in life through means that aren't illegal, athletic, or musical, the black community will disown you.  They begin to talk about those successes as though they 'sold out to the white man' and 'forgot their roots', meanwhile they elevate uneducated people to hero status.  God forbid you go to college as something other than a stop to the NBA, NFL, etc, and get a degree and start making money.  But if you're a drug dealer, you're sticking it to 'the man', which makes you a hero in the community.  If you make music about how ignorant you are, how poorly you treat women, or anything else to do with the 'thug' lifestyle, you're a hero too, and most rap is barely music (if you disagree, look at 'Soulja' boy, whose music is mainly him making sounds like woooooooooooooooooah!).  However, the person who works hard, gets through high school, gets a college degree and ends up writing books for a living or doing pretty much anything else isn't 'black' anymore.

One of the things I think about every time 'black history month' rolls around or when Kwanzaa comes up in discussion is this; what would MLK say about the black community today?  I have a sneaking feeling that it would go much like what the Boondocks episode suggested; shame, disdain, and overall disappointment.  Look at Kwanzaa; a holiday made up in 80's by a rich black man who saw the values that had held tribes together in Africa where gone in the community.  Less than 20 years after MLK was dead, and already the community had begun to slip.

The real thing that amazes me is that the rest of the world's black community isn't like that.  When in England, I didn't see ONE 'urban youth/thug' who was black. 

One good thing that has come from Obama's election already was a quote I heard.  I can't recall who said it, but it goes something like this 'There's no more excuses now.'

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

The United States has a unique history with slavery that has placed black people squarely on the focus of bootstrapping themselves. Multi-generational black families have little to no roots with Africa. They have been erased with the slave trade breaking up families and passing on of traditions. They had made their own culture in the world that slavery created for them.

The subculture that revolves around hip hop has an interesting history. For the most part, it was about fighting "the man", but it was not so glorified. The gangsta rap which became mainstream in the 90's was more "real" on the issues than what rap has become today. The overall message was, we grew up in a messed-up world and we don't like it but we need to take our lumps with our sugar. 

Some lyrics give hints to the hope of making it out of the violence and crime.  Who wouldn't want to get out of the gutter and have a nice car, right? Unfortunately these lyrics were turned into a parody of themselves with the way mainstream rap developed. People were tired of the dark content (and the coastal wars) from gangsta rap and they took a new direction.

They now wanted to talk about how they present themselves to cover up underlying problems. So this turned the image of success as a parody of itself. You don't care how you get that car, just get it. The idea with the 'bling' in hip hop culture is that, those are meant to be the end to the means. Rappers get jewelry and great shoes because they're successful rappers. If you become a doctor or engineer, you too can afford all those toys and cars. But that's not the way teens see it. They think the bling is the MEANS to the end, and you become cool and successful only after you get it. That is why they go for the NBA or the Grammies. And it's why some kids get killed in inner city schools to get their shoes stolen from them.

Finally, the "no more excuses" idea is golden. "It's because I'm black- " "Obama" ..... shut them up.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of his negative comments regarding interracial relationships.  I'm finding references to his comments in his book "Come On, People!", but not actual quotes.  But I do recall there being an equally big stink over those comments.  There were also a number of opposing comments regarding other statements he made against African Americans in that book as well.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/65306

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Just like this article, most of the stuff is taken out of context and the entire point of his message is missed because people are frankenstein-ing up a message they want to use to try and paint a negative view of someone given any chance they can.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Cosby revealed himself as a rascist long ago.  And bigots tend to lack any intelligent arguments to begin with.

Sadly, like the Racist Al Sharpton and the Racist Jesse Jackson, as with many popular racists over the entire spectrum of bigotry, they have many followers who blindly accept such nonsense.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Wasn't there a website that claimed that Cosby, Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah Winfrey, and BET founder and Charlotte Bobcats owner Robert Johnson all conspired to drive Dave Chappelle to cancel his Comedy Central show because they didn't like him joking about black topics?

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Cosby will be the first to admit that he doesn't like anyone using minority status as a right to throw around racists stereotypes. He is very, very critical of people that use race related humor, as he feels it does nothing but divide races.  I wouldn't doubt he would call the man or meet him personally and ask him to stop, because he did that to Eddie Murphy for cursing too much in the 80's, but I doubt he would go through the means of trying to run him out of his business.

Plus, Chappell's reason for quitting the show was just amazingly stupid. He did a racists skit portaying black people negatively and he thought that a white member of his studio audience laughed too hard.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

It was Richard Pryor. And Pryor told him to "Have a Coke and a smile and shut the *%#& up"

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Richard Pryor told Eddie Murphy to say that to Bill.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

So Bill Cosby thinks GTA costs 250 dollars??? Or does he think that there is a GTA game out for the Wii??? :P

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

 Yeah I'd say its more like a PSAT. Petty crimes would be an Entrance Exam.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Doesn't GTA show that you can get in big trouble for doing illegal stuff?

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

To a limited degree.  An arrest.  A failed mission.  Loss of a little dollars.  That's it.

You're able to redo the mission.

You can fairly easily regain your cash.

And the arrest, while added up on the number of arrests tally, usually has no bearing on future activities in the game.

It's not a real RPG, after all. 

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

What should they do? Make you spend 5 in-game hours sitting in jail? Maybe a mini game where you have to avoid bubba? It still has to function as entertainment.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Make certain missions that you are in when you are arrested fail and be unplayable.

Depending on the crime, have a house (safehouse) and/or cars in your special stash (depending on the GTA) confiscated.

Set time constraints on certain missions to be done and have actual jail time, depending on the crime, affect how much time you actually have left to perform those missions, or miss them altogether.

Offer bonds based on the crime for release or, if you can't pay that varying amount, spend jail time, which affects the story somehow.

Or, offer bribes to be released.

The number of arrests and the types of crimes have serious effects on your capability to perform certain acts in the game or even affect your capability of making it through the story.

Random (or programmed) Life in Prison, possibly ending the story.  Random opportunities for parole.

Potential for execution.  Potential to have Governor have you released or even bribed or extored (somehow) to prevent execution or even pardoned.

And dealing with the hospital, you're always "Wasted".  What's wrong with "Critically wounded", "Deformed" (which could affect gameplay and story, "Coma" (which can affect time as mentioned above), "Beat down" (which could, depending on the number of bystanders, could envoke pedestrian response again the police, which could potentially aid you in the story.

There ARE ways to fit "consequences" into gameplay and have it affect story.  There's too much sandbox and not enough story mode.  It doesn't have to be a "Choose your path" book tightness, but there needs to be a bit more reigning in of the sandbox/free mode.  At least while playing the story.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

The money you pay when you get arrested is a bribe, man. Oh and why does GTA need all those things? It's supposed to be fun not super realistic. Sure Bully made you complete a mini-game if you got Busted one too many times but it didn't last all day and it wasn't something that affected the outcome of the game. Oh and I all ready mentioned the fact that you lose all your weapons. Do you know how much of a pain it is to gather all those grenades, bullets, guns and whatnot? It costs a ton and sometimes you have to go to multiple locations (GTA IV is easier than the others but still).

I can't think of any game where your character becomes deformed or weakened every time they die. It's always respawn the same, probably with only the default weapons. Really it doesn't need to be realistic, the fact that you can warp time with save, load and retry should clue someone in as to the fact that it's a game.

This isn't life lessons with grand theft auto, this is just grand theft auto.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Yes, but that's the point most people miss. It is entertainment.

This is what annoys me about the pundits who go after GTA. They talk about "beating up hookers" and other events as if the game is a menu driven "choose your own adventure", not the ALMOST real life simulator it actually is.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

You forgot losing your weapons, which is a very large pain. In Vice city stories you can pay to get your weapons back (at least in the hospital, not sure about the police station, haven't played in a while), in san andreas you have to build up a relationship with a cop or a nurse to keep your weapons. In GTA IV you keep them when you die but if you get arrested you can't get them back. That is why I always load when I get arrested, and I learned that it's better to go down fighting or blow yourself up then let the police nab you (in the game).

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I still think the parents should teach their children why you shouldn't do these kinds of things in real life, so they don't try it out after seeing it done in a game.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I wouldn't call it an entrance exam.... more like a PSAT, just sort of gives you an idea what the test includes.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

GTA is just a game, nothing else. Does chess teach you how to lead an army? Would you make a chessmaster the head of an army just because he can play chess? NO! To lead an army you need many other skills that you simply would not learn playing chess. GTA is the same. It does not teach you how to fight, to shoot, to drive a car or to be successful with woman. Just because you're character in a GAME can do it, doesn't mean you can in real life. Blaming video games is an easy out, when really people should be more conserned with their own parenting skills.

Why doesn't Mr. Cosby have a problem with America's Army? It's a game that the United States Government offers FREE to children. In said game children run around killing forigners, as it is impossible to play anything but American forces in this game (this is quite racist). If Mr. Cosby's claims are indeed true that video games make killers and criminals out of our youth, shouldn't he first targe games made by his own government that teach children to be killers?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I think the real problem Mr. Cosby has is the propogation of negative black stereotypes, particularly in regards to San Andreas. It's no secret that he LOATHS to "black culture" that some black people just seem to fan the fires of, particularly predisposition to rap music, gangs, violence and other such bits. He hates the fact that there are a ton of black celebrities and black "artists" who immerse themselves in  that "culture" so deeply as to propogate it.

And since you can much of it in GTA:SA... well, there you go. And personally, I can't say I disagree with him.

 
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E. Zachary KnightZippy, So you can't find even one?08/29/2014 - 1:04pm
ZippyDSMleeAndrew Eisen:Right because shes prefect and never exaggerates... *rolls eyes*08/29/2014 - 12:53pm
SleakerAnd honestly, nearly all of the games she references, or images she depicts I've always cringed at and wondered why they were included in games to begin with, from pinups through explicit sexual depictions or direct abuse. I think it's cheap storytelling.08/29/2014 - 12:35pm
Sleaker@AE - aren't most people fundamentally misunderstanding her at this point? haha.. On a related note I think a lot of the backlash is coming from males that think she is telling them their 'Generic Male Fantasy' is bad and wrong.08/29/2014 - 12:33pm
Andrew EisenAnd no, I don't think the female community would be upset over the performance of a case study in and of itself. Possibly the mostivations behind such a study, the methodology or conclusions but not the mere idea of a case study.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
Andrew EisenAmusingly, these videos aren't saying you can't/shouldn't use tropes or that sexual representations are inherently problematic so those are very silly things to have a problem with and indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of the series.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
SleakerDo you think the female community would get extremely angry over a male doing a case study on the negative impact of sex-novels and their unrealistic depiction of males and how widespread they are in american culture?08/29/2014 - 12:25pm
SleakerThe other thing that people might find problematic is that they see no problem with sexual representations of females (or males) in games. And realistically, why is there anything wrong with sexual representations in fiction?08/29/2014 - 12:24pm
SleakerTo even discuss or bring up these issues at a cultural level to begin with. Going straight for games to many probably feels like a huge overstepping given that it's interactive story in many cases, and when you're telling a story why can't you use tropes.08/29/2014 - 12:21pm
 

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