In a no-holds-barred interview with Crispy Gamer, Entertainment Consumers Association president Hal Halpin dishes on the uneasy relationship between Washington, D.C. and the video game community.
As part of his leadership role with the ECA, Hal does quite a few interviews, but this one with CG's James Fudge is probably the most in-depth yet. Here are some of Hal's thoughts:
On game publisher group the ESA's new (in 2008) practice of making campaign donations:
The [ESA] represents the rights of game publishing companies and as such has a duty to do what it can to influence legislators by lobbying. I know that starting up a PAC (Political Action Committee) was a decision that they grappled with for over a decade... PACs can be effective tools, but yes, you do run the risk – nowadays – that the ends may not justify the means...
On game ratings and whether the industry does enough to keep mature-themed games away from minors:
I’ve been a fan of ESRB for quite some time. Of all of the ratings systems... it really is the most comprehensive and valuable... That said, there’s always room for improvement. Perhaps ESRB having more independence from the ESA would be one great step. Another might be to work more closely with us... which we’re working on...
I do [think the industry is well at keeping M-rated games away from minors]...
On supposed tensions between the ESA (publishers group) and the ECA (consumers group):
We should be clear that the ESA represents the rights of game publishing companies, not gamers... It’s a trade association that looks after the interests of their member corporations... That said, much of the legislative work that the ESA has done over the years, with regard to First Amendment in particular, has benefitted the sector as a whole – gamers included.
As Mike Gallagher (ESA president) and I have discussed several times, the vast majority of the time ESA and ECA are on the same page... but there are clearly other times where our interests are necessarily divergent. Inherently, Mike’s issues will sometimes be in opposition to the best interests of consumers solely because they’re in the best interests of publishing companies...
On frequent game violence critic Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT):
Joe Lieberman has been largely misunderstood and painted with a very broad brush in my opinion. While I haven’t agreed with much of what he has said in the past, he alone among legislators was responsible for effecting non-legislative change in our business and did it with a lot of class, I might add.
Again, back when I was running [game retailers group] IEMA, I received a call from one of his staff inviting me to his office in Hartford. We had a frank meeting in which he requested that game retailers begin carding for the sale of mature-rated games in much the same way that movie theatre owners were doing, via self-regulatory efforts, with R-rated movies. The IEMA retailers... met the challenge head-on and reacted quickly and efficiently – changing the way in which games were sold, forever.
On game rentals and used game trade-ins by consumers, which some publishers and developers would like to see ended:
I understand the concerns that developer friends of mine have about not getting a second bite of the apple... In the movie business, they produce a theatrical version and then DVD, Blu-ray, Video on Demand (VoD), PSP and pay-per-view versions...
[Game biz types] see rental and used as businesses in which they don’t get to participate. And while I understand and appreciate their perspective... I’m still not convinced that rental and used are bad for the sector. We’ve witnessed how rental has provided a low-cost venue for people to try before you buy; same for used...
On the U.S. Supreme Court and its potential impact on video games:
Well, [a change in the balance of the court] will most definitely present a problem for the industry, but not necessarily consumers. The more conservative judges are also the ones that tend to side with intellectual property owners over consumers, for instance. Tech policy is in for a major shift from the right to the left in my opinion, and that would be very good for consumers, but quite disconcerting for the IP-concerned trade associations (MPAA, RIAA and ESA).
We’ve also heard that the conservative judges would be more likely to be open to anti-games/gamer bills, so a shift to the more liberal side would be good for both the trade and consumers in that regard.
Hal also points interested gamers to a detailed listing of ECA's position statements.
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Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
He doesn't care what you have to say Jack. Your rants are pure comedy now.
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
You are incorrect sir.
Here in the good ole U.S. of A we still have this document called the Constitution and with it the First Ammendment. So unless you're in favor of dissolving the Constitution in favor of a dictatorship that's not going to happen and you know it.
Nice try.
And really. A long hair comment? Kinda dating yourself there aren't you?
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
He didn't seem to care too much about the 2nd amendment in the past though, did he? Of course, neither does his VP Biden, or Hillary, or most of the people he's appointed so far.
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ESA shouldn't even exist... They already have their teams of lawyers, do they seriously need to group up too? ECA is needed to speak up for the consumers, but when the ESA has so much money and power, the developers and consumers get screwed, and it is all about making more money, not quality games or consumer rights. Games should not cost $60 today either.
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Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
Can you think of a class of anythings who haven't in some way formally banded together to further their common interests? And legal services are less expensive if those who have a common need for legal services secure those services collectively, rather than individually (like 10 people buying 100 rolls of toilet paper from Costco with each person, who probably wouldn't want to buy 100 rolls at a time, getting 10 rolls) . Besides, there's that little clause in the U.S. Constitution that guarantees the right of the People to associate (i.e. "group up")
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Agreed, my bigger concern is the ESA trying pull the trick that anyone who looks at the matter from a consumer perspective doesn't count. Indeed, their contempt for the consumers point of view was displayed quite clearly when they went off on a rant about GamePolitics over the Key-speaker at E3 last year. Their statement on the matter basically said 'We'll use who we want to use, it's not as if consumer opinion counts for anything...', though, in all fairness, that seems to be the attitude of all Industry representation groups everywhere.
Basically, the ESA seem to be of the opinion that if someone isn't happy, they must, therefore, be a minority and can be ignored, that is so going to turn around and bite them on the butt, I'm just amazed they seem to maintain a head-in-the-sand attitude towards consumer concerns.
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Why amazed? As GP's article noted, they represent the sellers. The time when the seller actually gave a hoot about the buyer's concerns instead of just trying to hose the buyer for the cash in their pockets ended with sock-hops and drive-ins with waitresses on rollerskates.
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True, but you would have thought they would learn from current animosity towards groups such as the RIAA, not just from 'isolated groups', but on a much larger scale, to the point where they have actually resigned themselves to being considered small-minded, lawsuit happy parasites, as some kind of a lesson about how not to go about things.
Edit: And just to clarify, I don't actually dislike the ESA, and I understand their need to represent the industry, I just think they are making a massive mistake in choosing their role-models. The ESA has potential to be something more than that. It's not the easiest route, it's not the most short-term profitable route (which means it probably won't be taken), but it's a route that ensures the future of the Industry, which does, for all the representation in the world, depend on people going out and actually buying the games.
The record industry is now in a position where people actively seek out non-RIAA distributors, to the degree where the death of mainstream music can, in part, be attributed to the behaviour of the RIAA, even big-name musicians are now experimenting with releasing their own music for free, or for a very small charge. Basically, those policies fractured, and continue to fracture, the recording industry, I just wonder why the ESA are in such a rush to go down the same road?
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
For the same reason that the record industry shot its own foot off: common sense rarely prevails over greed.
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I say we fight against carding people if they buy M rated games. They are not dangerous and kids and teens should be able to play them if they want.
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If they are under their parent's roof, it is their parent's choice what games they should be allowed to play, IMO.
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Yes, the it's the parents choice, not the stores.
And parents shouldn't be scared and lied to when people on tv and such say video games are dangerous.
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Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
Porn isn't dangerous either. Should we allow a 12 year old to go buy a Hustler magazine when he/she wants to?
Just because something isn't dangerous, doesn't mean it is fine to be given to minors.
Most places card when you buy an R-rated or Unrated movie. The same should occur when a game is purchased. It should be self-regulated and not forced upon stores though, because if a store thinks it will get in trouble for not following the procedure, then some will just stop carrying the product as a precautionary step.
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Flamespeak wrote:
"Just because something isn't dangerous, doesn't mean it is fine to be given to minors."
Why? Just because something (like porn) is restricted by law from access by minors, that doesn't mean it's right or sensible.
In all cases where something is not dangerous, the PARENT, not the government, should be the one deciding whether the kid is mature enough for it.
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Just because something isn't dangerous, doesn't mean it is fine to be given to minors.
Why shouldn't it be given to minors then?
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I want to hear the opinion from someone who lived in a country that doesn't put so much emphasis on nudity.
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Because their minds generally aren't mature enough to understand the material being presented in terms of morality, nor do many quite grasp the difference between reality and fantasy. Not all, mind you, but enough that it can be a problem.
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I'd say that would depend of the age of the child in question. Definetly young children like those in the single digit age brackets and slightly above shouldn't be playing these games and in that instance i agree with you BUT when it comes to lets say age 14+ teenagers in high school i don't really see a problem whatsoever although i believe that as long as they're in their parents house they would have to follow their parents rules of what is or isn't allowed. With that said though that is the sole decression and responsibility of the parents and not the nanny-state.
"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
Are you calling most of my age group stupid? I am insulted, sir. So what do you propose, a ban on minors playing M-rated games. Something along the lines of underage users on live not being able to play M-rated games?
It's the parent's responsibilty to determine if their spawn is old or mature enough to consume violent media.
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First off let me say that I am against government regulations of any sort on games in a rather hard line way. But, not having some prepubecent yelling racial slurs and trying to act like a hardass likely would get me interested in multiplayer games on Xbox Live. It isn't up to te government or even Microsoft to say who can or can't play these games. But finding an adult only server would be rather refreshing.
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Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
I'm agreeing with the other guy.
Today's M rated games are over the top and should not be sold to underage users-ever. Alcohol is perfectly fine in moderation, and even people over 21 go over the top with it CONSTANTLY.
However, in countries where it's freely available to people under about 18, it's abused by a HUGE percentage of that group.
You can look at car wreck statistics too if you want. Most people involved are either under about 23, and teh second highest is over 55.
Your high-handed rhetoric is cute. As is your refering to xbox live. If you knew what this was about you'd probably be arguing for voluntary censorship.
To date I see very few new console games with an M rating that can be toned down via in game options. Unreal tournament 2004 is a great example of toning it down. Mature taunts, gibs, and blood could all simply be turned off without breaking the game, and there were still enough taunts to be fun.
I really sincerely hope that my generation (I'm 20 as of today) isn't the one to completely open pandora's box on this. Like alcohol, some violence is harmless to all but a statistically insignificant percent of the population. Too much violence, and you get desensitized, which opens the option to people that are receptive to it.
But how do we tell who's receptive? We can't without starting a whole new civil rights movement due to discrimination. So the next best option is to lock mature content in game, or even just let people turn it off.
Neverwinter nights had the right idea. This is interactive, immersive media, not a movie. Customization comes standard.
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
Alcohol kills as many people in this country in a year as the nuke in hiroshima...
Binge drinking among teens is CAUSED by the fact that it is illegal... That is according to the manifesto that college deans from a hundred top universities signed...(they want the age lowered to 18)
So even in the case of the worlds most deadly and addicting drug which kills 10 times as many people as all illegal drugs combined, it would be safer if it were less restricted...
Hmm perhaps a lesson could be learned from that...
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
"However, in countries where it's freely available to people under about 18, it's abused by a HUGE percentage of that group."
Actually, in "wet" societies where drinking is considered an everyday thing and not held by the stricter social rules such as our societies, the rate of issues with alchohol is lower.
Back on topic I've been playing Resident Evil and Conkers Bad Fur Day since i was about 11-12 because my dad wasn't exactly the most watchful, yet i suffer no consequences, but it's completely dependent on the different circumstances each child is around
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Agreed.
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May your glory last for 10,000 generations!
Re: ECA's Hal Halpin Dissects the Political Side of Gaming
Mr. Haplin seems a bit myopic in his view of liberal justices being a good thing for consumers where there is large amounts of evidence to support that liberals are just as capable not being as such, GP's own link confirms this, and this is of course balanced with the scalia article.
I did like his assesment of Liberman, lord knows that it is hard to vote out incumbents here in CT, but when a better canidadte emerges he or she will win (note: Ned Lamont was not and will never be said candidate)
Hopefully the ECA will stay on top of this used game issue given the buzz about it lately, it is a winning issue to be sure and probably represents the greatest opportunity to legitmately help practically every gamer in the country.