NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Gives Parents an Incomplete

November 25, 2008 -

Mom and Dad forgot to turn an assignment in, apparently.

While lavishly praising the video game industry in its 13th Annual Video Game Report Card, the National Institute on Media and the Family has tagged parents with an "incomplete."

Actually, the "I" grade is NIMF's cutesy way of saying, well, not much, to be honest. Here are the grades along with NIMF's commentary:

ESRB Ratings.... A The addition of ratings summaries is yet another step forward in the growing list of improvements that the ESRB has made in recent years.

ESRB Ratings Education.... We commend the ESRB for intensifying efforts to help parents understand the video game ratings. The ESRB has become the entertainment industry leader in educating retailers and parents about the rating system.

Retailer Ratings Enforcement.... B+  The 80 percent enforcement rate shows significant progress with still some room for improvement.

Gaming Console Manufacturers.... Parental controls, timing devices and parent education efforts are all major
improvements giving parents more tools to supervise game play.

Parental Involvement.... Incomplete  The focus of this year’s report card is providing parents with the information they need. All segments of the industry have made significant improvements in recent years. Parents now have more information and tools than ever before. However, the constant changes present new challenges. Parents need to pay more attention to the amount of time and the types of games their kids play. The parent guide section in this report card is intended to motivate and equip parents to do this.

GP: We can't argue with the grades assigned to the game industry categories by NIMF, and the industry must certainly be pleased. There was a time, and not so long ago, that the ESA and ESRB dreaded this day as NIMF head David Walsh and Sen. Joe Lieberman would step to a Capitol Hill podium and deliver their annual video game beatdown, er, report card.

As to the incomplete for parents, it's meaningless, since NIMF has no way to measure it.

We must also say that the process would be far more coherent if NIMF maintained the same grading categories from year to year. The 2007 version, for example (which was far less complementary to the industry), included grades for "Retailer Policies," (broken down by National, Specialty and Rental) and "The Gaming Industry."

The 2005 version absolutely savaged the industry and included grades for "Ratings Accuracy," "Arcade Survey," and "Industry's 10-year cumulative grade." 

In addition to the grades, the report card contains about 30 pages of material regarding topics such as game addiction and a section on aggression research by Prof. Douglas Gentile of Iowa State University.

Finally, NIMF's unfortunate decision to accept game industry funding clouds their grading effort. Inevitably, there are those who will say that the one-time watchdog has become a lapdog.


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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

It's not 80%.  It does not include Internet sales.  There is a 100% failure rate on the Internet as to enforcing age limits.  I know you can't figure that out, Zach, because it is not found in a Mary Kay Cosmetics sales brochure.  Jack Thompson

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Seeing as how I've purchased several games on the Internet, and I'm 34, doesn't that automatically mean you're once again wrong.

I mean this is pretty simple, and quite a major fail for you, Jack. I know you like to pull numbers out of your ass, but now you're not even trying.

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

 Jack, you goddamn moron - use of a credit card implies parental consent, and the government BACKS THIS UP.  I can find the relevant passage on their website if you want.

 

You FAIL.  Grow up and get a life.

 

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Not this garbage again. It's like an endless loop of garbage.

Jack, just how you do suppose internet retailers prevent kids from "buying" games on the internet?

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

So, you still refuse to admit that requiring a credit card for purchase is proof of either being 18, or of having parental permission?

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Yes he does. He thinks that all games sites should have to have drivers license numbers inputted and have those cross referenced with a nonexistant government database to prove legal age. The only problem is if a kid swipes Mom's credit card to buy a game online, what would stop him from swiping her ID along with it?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Jack, any child can steal their parent's credit card and buy this stuff online.  How are we going to protect against kids doing that?  I can go to a site and act like I am 87 years old if I want to.  It is the internet, even your lies can be spread on here.

We are talking actually physical retailers, not online electronic ones.  When everyone in the world gets a finger print ID at birth, then we can talk about providing those measures, but then thing about how the CIA and FBI will be tracking you for every single move you make.  Name any industry that has anything other than a 100% failure rate for online sales of this stuff.  I know a 12 year old boy who stole his dad's credit card and signed up to a bunch of porn sites, and the porn industry is the most cutting edge on most technology.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Well, John Bruce. When internet sales make up more than 5% of total game sales, then that 100% failure rate will make a significant impact on overall compliance. Until then, it will remain insignificant.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

That, and you must be 18 to own a credit card/debit card with which to make online purchases.  Not sure about this myself, but being a secondary card holder with a parent the minimum age is 16, so that might count.  Of course, that would mean sharing the same account so the parent would still know what the kid buys, and could attempt to get a refund on any unwanted products, then subsequently take the kids card away.  They could always just take their parents card too, but its still their fault for letting the kid know all the information necessary to make said purchases.  A lot of cards require passwords in addition to personal/card information to buy online anymore.

Let's assume they lie to get a credit card/debit card.  Not likely to happen, because you're required to provide a SSN, as well as name, address, and phone number.  Which means they know who you are and how old you are.  But lets assume they fell through some crack.  Still not a problem with the industry, as they don't issue the cards.  Plus its fraud, and hardly represents the whole of internet sales. 

In other words, its not the industries fault, and it all comes back to the parents.  Parents were careless enough to leave a credit card/debit card lying around for someone to nab, they just didn't care enough what their kids were buying, or were actually dumb enough to let your average immature teen use their credit card.

 

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I know you can't figure that out, Zach, because it is not found in a Mary Kay Cosmetics sales brochure.

Whah-huh?! What the hell did you mean by that?! Did you mean to call him a cross-dresser or a transvestite?!

God, that sucked! Why?! Why, I don't....Ugh, headache... *rubs temples*

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

My wife sells Mary Kay. John Bruce here thinks it is insulting to me to have it brought up.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

And it can't possibly be insulting.

SHE has a job!  Ahem.  You make the connection.

Ding Dong.  Jack Thompson and Avon calling.

Hmmm... that's a little redundant, ain't it?  Might as well have the door bell say "Jack Thompson".

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Ohhhhh.....Ahh, my headache's dissipating, thanks to that good ole brand of Logic. Thanks, EZK!

Logic: it does a mind good.

On another note: Man! He's tried to insult your religion (even though he insults his own everytime he says "God is on my side") and he's trying to insult your wife and her occupation (even though her's probably nets a nice fat wad o' cash [don't know how much the pay is] and he's lost his own and has resorted to reporting at a conservative Internet rag).

John, I know this may be tough for you, but...you're in your late fifties: it's time to grow up and act your age.

Game on, brothers and sisters.

P.S. EZK, I forgot the comment policy and am too lazy to look it up. :) Could you please remind us all what it takes to have your account deleted?

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Cite us a source then. If you're so confident of this, prove it.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

See he can't do that because Jack has what I like to call "Ryoga Logic Syndrome" (named for the Ranma 1/2 character0. Symtoms of this are taking a conclusion and believing the conclusion to be true no matter how many facts there are to the contrary.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Your new task is to submit the diagnosis to the APA, and get them to put it in the new DSM they're working on.

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The game retailers are only beating the movie theaters by 15%, that just isnt good enough.  Granted, it is our first year better than the movie theaters, but we beat the other catagories over the past 5 years, other than the tie with the PAL CDs in 2000.

Jack, even you have to admit the hard facts that things have improved.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Yes but we kick the trash out of DVDs and Music which is where the real comparison lies.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Really? So, how many facts have you fabricated? And don't say "none", cuz we'd know you'd be lyin'.

We followed the money: yours. As it flew out of your wallet and into the hands of the deserving. Sucks, doesn't it?

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Your research into this matter with the sample size of one (your son) is just as worthless as your law career, Jackhole.

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

No, the Federal Trade Commission has done the research.  I'm not surprised you don't know that, as you are an idiot gamer.  Sorry to be redundant.  Jack Thompson

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

See, this is why we can't have a diologue with you despite trying.

No matter how calm we are with you and no matter how many facts we present, despite us having documentation and citing our sources, which yo unever have no ever do, you ismply go "no, NO NO NO, I'm right, you're wrong idiot" which is extremely childish.

Anyone on a middle school debate team woudl know that's an easy way to lose.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Yes they did do the research and they show an 80% average compliance rate for retailers.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

lol pff.. you mean JT was.. wrong... again?

Im sorry but i cant buy it, a human being would implode the fabric of time and space if they were wrong that much. The universe wouldnt allow him to exist.  

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We are talking about Jack here, he doesnt look at facts, then if they go against him, they were corrupt, haha.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Actually, the sample size would be every store his son went into, but that's splitting hairs

The effect size of any research involving one variable with under 100 subjects (at the bare minimum) would be so abysmal that it wouldnt even be worth doing in the first place, but he's(was) a lawyer. Do you honestly expect him to know anything about psychological statistics?

If you want to be mad at anything, be mad at the brazen and unethical way he used his son in the experiment. There is a reason why research must pass through internal review before being done. It's to protect the participants. Using your own son in a study would NEVER pass internal review, or at the very least one with a lick of sense. It puts undue pressure on the child and makes the confederate (this case the child) have a personal interest in the results... which completely skews the experimental results.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Ah.. Village idiot right on cue.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Aww, what's wrong Thompson, still sore Walsh isn't returnign your calls?

Or can you just not bear the fact that the industry isn't compltely at fault?

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I don't call Walsh.  I do call him a hypocrite, though.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

The pot calling the kettle black...erm...hypocrite. 

Eh, same thing in this case.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Hypocrite? Really? How?

And you two used to be such good friends....until he realized how awful of a person you are. Then he kicked your ass to the curb. Tsk, tsk, tough luck.

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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So who the hell has the fluff job to do this every year?  I am guessing it pays at least $50,000 a year for the people who work on this.  Damn...  how amazing it would be to be friends with a politician...  or to be the president and cut funding to this bullshit and many other things, and maybe actually start paying off our debts.  Tell everyone they will have to suck it hard with taxes for 4 years, but the 4 years after that they will see the glory of their last 4, with tax cuts, more advance space, medical, and other tech programs, and so on, and the debt paid off pretty good.

I want to know if I pay my part of the national debt ($25,000 per American), if I can just not pay taxes for the rest of my life.  I say screw the illegal immigrant thing, just make sure they register as citizens so they have to deal with paying taxes every year like the majority of us.  That would prolly increase the official US population enough to take some of that money down per person even...

I would really love to be the financial advisor of this government to watch where all the money goes...  Oh wait, something does show us what our government is doing with our money...  (http://www.wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/)

Back to topic though. I love how the government puts things in place to correct a self correcting system.  The consumers were demanding everything they say before they say it, and the industry complies, then other government officials demand the same stuff after they comply, then say look what I did!  This group is needless, and the ECA could use that funding for more suitable purposes than what they do.
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I doubt the ECA would accept money from the ESA. It would be very damaging to their reputaion. That is something the ECA cares about.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

ECA has a reputation?  Yes, they do, right down there with Charles Manson.  In fact, Hal Halpin looks like he was separated at birth from Manson.  The only difference is that Manson did not lobby on behalf of the sale of porn to kids.  I apologize, then, to Mr. Manson for the comparison.  Jack Thompson

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Hold it! You are comparing Halpin to a sadistic cult leader who had his followers butcher a pregnant woman? And YOU think WE are sick you ignorant muck sucking bastard?!

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

hey Jacky-boy, Charles Manson was influenced by your supposed religion. What do you have to say to that?

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

"Reputation", another word you don´t deserve to spell... the only reputation you have deserve is "clown reputation".

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Holy shit, doctors! Mr. Thompson's devolution is progressing more rapidly than we anticipated! Something must be done!

.....Wait..what?......Nothing can be done? That's impo--....Yeah...yeah, I guess.......Damn. Oh, well!

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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At least Jack isnt saying he has a reputation to protect, which we all know isnt true.

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Isn't the government the main funder of the NIMF though, or did I get them mixed up with a proposed idea of Joe Lieberman and his buddies that didn't pass?

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I am not sure just where NIMF gets their funding. I would have to look that up. I only know of the $50k given to them from the ESA. But I do believe most of their funding comes from private donations.

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Jack Thompson: Hey, the industry never gave me a penny! Where´s my money???

Industry: Here, take a cookie...

Jack Thompson: YAAAAYYY!!!

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I have something for Jack, it is rock hard, and I keep it in my pants just in case I might see him in person one day.  I am sure he will get excited about getting too.  It is a big thick lump of coal.  What did you think  I was talking about?

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I thought you were reffering to a handgun. Jack would get excited because it would make him a martyr.

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an


True...

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Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

What did you think  I was talking about?

A gold star made of fool's gold was my first guess.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

I thought you were referring to your frontal lobes, but then I realized you're a gamer and thus you have none.  Sorry.  My bad.  Jack Thompson

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

Because the frontal lobes are responsible for human behaviour and emotional development, trauma to the front of the cerebral cortex impairs, among others, rationality, social behaviour, attention span, sexual behaviour, and facial expression. Fits Jacky-boy to a 'T'

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

You seem to have a rather disturbing fixation with lobes. Perhaps you should seek therapy for this obsession, it can't be a healthy thing to be so fixated on.

Re: NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Give Parents an

You are bored today, right? I think is hard to be an unemployed senile man...

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