Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not Addicts

November 26, 2008 -

The recent, high-profile Brandon Crisp tragedy once again brought the debate over video game dependency to the forefront. But, does obsessive video game play necessarily equal addiction?

Not according to Keith Bakker (left), the founder of the Smith & Jones Centre in Amsterdam, Europe’s first and only clinic to treat game addiction. After running Smith & Jones for two years, Bakker has concluded that compulsive gaming is a social problem, not a psychological one.

Bakker told the BBC

These kids come in showing some kind of symptoms that are similar to other addictions and chemical dependencies.  But the more we work with these kids the less I believe we can call this addiction. What many of these kids need is their parents and their school teachers - this is a social problem.

Eighty per cent of the young people we see have been bullied at school and feel isolated. Many of the symptoms they have can be solved by going back to good old fashioned communication...

If I continue to call gaming an addiction it takes away the element of choice these people have.  It's a complete shift in my thinking and also a shift in the thinking of my clinic and the way it treats these people. 

In response to these observations, the clinic has altered its treatment program to help compulsive gamers develop “activity-based social and communications skills to help them rejoin society.”

Bakker feels that his clinic may no longer be needed if “parents and adults in the community took more responsibility for the habits of their children.”

Via: gamesindustry.biz

-Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics correspondent Andrew Eisen typed this story with his left hand while playing Wii Tennis with his right.


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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Don't forget to include that "kid" who publically destroyed your book and sent the auction proceeds to charity in that lawsuit, Jacl. Its been what, over three years since you said you were going to ruin the guy's life with a lawsuit? When's it going to happen? He was counting on the easy money from a counter-suit to take a vacation to Canada.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not


To Canada?  JT isnt that poor, he gave up over 40k with his shenanigans.  That kid could prolly spend a week in a different paradise for a month, then still have money left over to get a law degree, just to tick Jack off.

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Bring it on John Bruce "Jack" Thompson.  What I and Rod said is no worse than the majority of what goes around the internet about you, AND you have said far worse and made far more direct threats toward individuals on this site alone.  So come on, if you go after me and Rod for it, then we will bring in everyone you have insulted and so on, then if we are guilty, then so are you.

I am not talking about your wife, God love her for dealing with you, we were talking about you, and it is obvious that it was a joke.  Granted, given my time in the field of psychology, I would recommend the court to order you some time to be observed by a professional, because it may help your obvious need for attention.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

The jury will laugh on you until tears, Jacko...

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

"Dennis, my lawsuit against GamePolitics is made a whole lot easier to win "

Good, need to give you a cats chance in hell. The easier the better. The easiest case on the planet would still be an enourmous challenge to a ignoramus like yourself.

''by your posting the above obscenity and person attack despite your posting policies against both.''

Jack you do realise you are making yourself out to look like a complete idiot here dont you? Want me to go copy and paste each of the THOUSANDS of times you've broken the comments policy here, and the numerous times youve been banned but still return to break the policy, ususally by being insulting or posting lengthy court documents, only to get banned AGAIN, and then say ' I Jack Thompson, have never broken the comments policy!'.

you really want me to do it? Shhh.. thats right just be quiet and dont answer back. Id rather you coward away from facts, rather than continue to dig your hole. It gets hot at the centre of the earth.

Besides.. can you explain how somebody ELSE breaking the comments policy in ANY way means its easier to file a successful lawsuit, you dont have a clue. You dont understand how the internet works (No, its not a series of tubes). DENNIS DOESNT POST THE COMMENTS (IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH!). They are all posted and Dennis / mods cant physically delete a comment within 1 second of it being posted, they have to check them, which takes time for human beings. Nor can they pre-validate each comment that is posted. It would be onerous beyond belief. This site operates virtually identically to 99.9% of all other internet sites out there. And there is nothing wrong with the procedures.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Oh, I think I know what he's planning. You see, HIS posts often get edited because he posts letters and such that are horribly off-topic. He also got banned for I think name-calling and harassment. So when he sees others doing what he perceives as name-calling, he automatically assumes GP just has it in for him and uses the Comments Policy only against individuals they dislike, rather than as is reasonable.

As such, GamePolitics is clearly on a war against him, trying to make him look bad in front of hundreds and thousands of people, and as such perhaps involved in criminal activity against him just like the people from Penny Arcade before, or at the least with libel and slander and such and whatever. Or something like that.

But yeah, I think he's gonna go with "waaaaaah!!! they punish me but not others! make them pay me $42,525!"

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

HAHAH you know whats funnier?

hell have to explain how he has been detrimentally affected by these comments.

And he'll be like : "Yes your honor, every time i completely voluntarily click on favourites in my browser of my own free will, then select Gamepolitics, and Login, and find my account is banned, so create another account, wait for it to be authenticated, go onto a story, post, click refresh onmy browser for 15 minutes whilst waiting for replies, THEN, somebody insults me, its ruins my life! Theres totally nothing i can do to avoid it either! No really, its unavoidable! the only remedy is to shut the site down! Wha? what does 'voluntarily' mean?... it means.. uh.. i have .. no choice?.. dismissed.. wha.. wait! wait! i havent told you about the time they sang a nasty song about me, and i got it professionally recorded, and listen to it on repeat each day, i cant avoid that either!"

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

I don't think he has to go for the comments affecting him, he can simply go with inequal treatment and build a suit around that. I think JDKJ can actually make a rather decent case around it. Of course Jack probably will fail. Perhaps I should shut up before I give him any ideas (like hiring JDKJ to represent him in court).

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

SUE ME, SUE ME, SUE ME!!!!!

I'm willing to threaten you, slander you, make libelous claims, whatever it takes! In fact, lets pretend i already did. You just make it all up, and i'l plead guilty!

 Just tell me what i need to do to be sued by the ohhh so powerfull Jack Thompson!

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

I'm gonna sue, sue, yes, I'm gonna sue
Sue, sue, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do
I'm gonna sue, sue, yes, I'm gonna sue
Sue, sue, yeah, I might even sue you

I'll sue ya, I'll take all your money
I'll sue ya if you even look at me funny
I'll sue ya, I'll take all your money
I'll sue ya if you even look at me funny
I'll sue ya, I'll take all your money
I'll sue ya if you even look at me funny
I'll sue ya, I'll take all your money
I'll sue ya if you even look at me funny

I'll sue ya, ha-ha ha ha-ha
I'll sue ya, whatchy'all think of that?
I'll sue ya, ha-ha ha ha-ha
Booya
I'll sue ya

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

You can call me honey, you can sue for money
You can try again and you can pray to Heaven
But I tell you, honey, like the sun is sunny
Baby, I won't take those comments down

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

There's a roasted turkey in Jack's house this Thanksgiving. But, then again, there's a roasted turkey in Jack's house every day of the year. 

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Dennis didn't post those comments himself, and he has little to no control over what commenters post here

As for filing a lawsuit, go ahead, we coudl all use a good laugh right before the judge gets a new birdcage liner

 

And again, you hypocrisy is showing. It's funn, you think yo ucan make an offer to donate to chairty, and then say you were joking while someone who could have used that money starves, but if anyhing is ever said about you, the person should go to federal prison.

No wonder yo uaren't in hell ye,t not even they want ot put up with you.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Are you going to be representing yourself pro se?  I bet the courts would love to see you try that one....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

DeepThorn and ...Welcome to the "I've been threatened by Jack Thompson" club.

Your club ring and t-shirt are in the mail....really.....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

I'm still waiting for mine in mail :(

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

YAAAAYYY!!!

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Have I already mentioned that when Jack-O gets to hopping around on one leg, screaming "Libel!!!" and threatening to bring a lawsuit, it's because the alleged defamer's hit Jack's nail on the head?

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Um... Dennis didn't post it. It is not threatening nor is it obscene. It makes it clear that it is meant in jest and should not be construed as a genuine account of events in your life.

So when are you planning on filing that lawsuit?

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

I'm afraid his record on jesting isn't that great. He 'jested' about the $10.000 donation, then complained people didn't realize it wasn't meant seriously.

I wonder if that would stand in court?

Judge: Defendant, how do you plead?
Dennis: The defense pleads that John Bruce Thompson has a really twisted sense of humor, your honor.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Judge: Defandent how do you plead?

Me: Not Guilty. And i move that this lawsuit be dismissed on the basis that the prosicution(sp) is a raving lunatic that regulary make a fool of himself and anybody he associates with. That he persistantly spews hateful dogma from his mouth and that his religious crusade has nothing to do with modern day enviroments. Also i request that Jack Thompson be commited for his own mental health as he clearly has an addiction to lying, manipulating facts, distorting the truth, etc.

Judge: Lets see the procusition is ... (sifts through papers) Jack Thompson?? i dismiss this case on said grounds and furthermore ban John Bruce Thompson from ever speaking ever again.

 

well i can wish cant i...

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Or what about:

Judge: The lawyer representing the other side is... Uh, wasn't this guy disbarred?

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

 Alas, the law does allow for self representation. But in Jackie boi's case the old maxim holds (somewhat) true: A lawyer that represents himself has a fool for a client.

That and the judge would fine him for contempt before the first cross-examination.

 

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I have the same dream at least once a week.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

You'll be a defendant, Mr. Knight, so you'll be one of the first to know.  Read GP's posting rules in the meantime, ace.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Hey Jack...so you do have an attorney willing to take your case? Last I checked you are not one nor ever will be :)

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Says the person who thinks the comments section is his personal mailbox for his press releases...

Add me to that list, Mr. Thompson. I already asked you before.

David Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

you might as well as add most of the users here as defendants... i know i for one would love to be a defendant in any case you bring to bear... just because for once i would like to go head to head with you in the courtroom and watch you lose... to bad you cant call yourself a lawyer anymore... so who ya gonna use for a lawyer?

 

or are you just gonna represent yourself and make this thing into a sideshow

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Does Jack Thompson actually think his threats of lawsuits scare ANYONE?  Even when he was a lawyer, he would threaten so often (and never follow through) that it became a joke. 

Jack, answer my question:  Why would anyone feel threatened by you NOW given your track record?

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Get a real job meantime, dumbdork (and a hobby)...

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

oh so you HAVE read it?

You blatently dont understand it, or have a goldfish-like memory.

Did you want some help with the big words, ace?

Perhaps we could write it in picture format for you, and give you some crayons to color it in with whilst the grown ups talk.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Actually, a goldfish has a better memory.


Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Why don't you read them to. You seem to forget them everytime you come here.

Also, I look forward to telling the judge and jury how much of a crazy idiot you are.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Not ot mention how many times you and Dennis have had to ban him.

What's the count now?

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

 The numbers of times is irrelevant now, his subversion of GP's attempts to removing him from the site demonstrates wanton harassment, perhaps even criminal stalking. Then there is uttering threats, etc.

 If JBT wants to sue anyone, his legal backside will be nailed to the nearest wall 10 ways from Sunday by GP and others on this site.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

As I said above, the judge and everyone here could use a good laugh at your latest bird cage liner.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

After you.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Oh noes! Jack threatening a baseless lawsuit...

 

What a rare occurance...

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

You couldn't win a suit if the defendent pled Guilty.

 

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

And I´m damn GUILTY :)

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

What? An enema is a medical method to clean the body. How is that obsene?

OK, I ripped off the enema joke from that Dracula parody from Mel Brooks ;)

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

in summary, guy gets a clue.

I can agree that game obession is more than likely escapism, especially in RPG enviroments. That, however, is not to say that most gamers/rpg players are trying to escape some kind of problem. Its funny you can spend 3 hours a day in football practice and its just a sport but you spend 3 hours a day in front of the tv playing a game and suddenly your obsessing over a game. My kid's football games on weekend can become a 7 to 10 hour ordeal because there are like 5 or 6 weight classifications, and they have to be there early just in case their class starts on time, for weigh in and such, but the games usually run over and you end up spending all day there, so would people call the football addiction? hows is it video game addiction if the same time is spent on that? Parents break out into fights at these little league events, and i don't here anyone calling for government regulation of little league football.

ok i got that outta my system :) whew

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Yes but sports addictions is a crime agisnt humanity..and wives's...
Meh sports addiction is more modern slang than noted  diagnosis and I suppose so is game addiction but I would say 10-30% might have issues of cant live without it.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Heh, the person who first started Little League sports soon wanted nothing to do with it, at all, because of parents makign death threats at officials.

How video games are worse i;ll never know.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

I can believe that. It's not the vast majority, but still its enough to disgust me. My kid really wants to play football though, wants to make it to the NFL and all that stuff so i support him.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Compulsions are addictions, if shopping compulsion is an addiction and other modern day micro OCD compulsions are considered addictions then the same enthralling adcitive level of compulsion in game addiction or even net addiction is a bleeping addiction...
 

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

You seem to mix up what people call addiction and what addiction really is. As I mentioned in the Shoutbox before, the way I get it you roughly have addictions where the product is at fault, and compulsions where the person('s environment) is at fault.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

 Like I said don't confuse "can't live without it" with "don't want to live without it" is the key to addiction and this is coming from someone who's been diagnosed and sought treatment for a few non drug/game based "compulsions".  I would think most "game addictions" are simply compulsions that might be trumped up alil in their daiongisis either by media or moralists but my point being there are game addictions its not been properly laid out yet like the other high end compulsions.

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Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Oh there indeed are game addictions. The original article included quotes about how 10% of the people did profit from anti-addiction methods, but they also mentioned those 10% had other addictions as well, such as alcohol and drugs. So one could raise the question if there's something at hand there in the genes or whatever. Still makes it an addiction by the way, but you could probably argue it's still not really the medium at fault.

Re: Addiction Specialist: 90% of Compulsive Gamers Are Not

Is shopping to blame? is grems to blame? is soap to blame? No so neither is media but the way the human mind wraps around repetitive or familiar tasks or the wayit can cling unreasonably to something(if you can't tell I took to my time with shrinks and not brushed it off...since half the them were cheap and learning about the mind and what not interesting..plus alot of PBS..LOL)

But anyway I dislike the flat and total refusal of all game addiction this article leans to...I dislike totality in propaganda or "news" because there are generally gray areas in everything...and I haz issues >>

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