"Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in Games

December 2, 2008 -

The Timothy Plan, a Florida investment firm which bills itself as "conservative Christian," is warning holiday-shopping parents away from what it calls the 30 "most offensive" video games.

While the usual suspects (GTA IV, Saints Row 2, Blitz the League II) make the list, there are some surprises as well, including the T-rated Bully: Scholarship Edition and World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade.

In its game rankings, the organization displays an obvious anti-gay bias. While it evaluates titles for sex and nudity, a gay/lesbian rating is also included, meaning that a game with a gay sexual encounter might get a double whammy when compared to a game where the sex is of the straight variety. This effect, for instance, pushes Fable II onto the group's most offensive list. Along that line a report prepared by the Timothy Plan contains this rather bizarre comment:

Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: ...Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present.

WoW made it onto the dirty thirty, thanks to a high "addiction" rating as well as a high rating for alcohol use (curse you, Noggenfogger elixir!).

How the group determined the addiction rank is really quite unfathomable. WoW received a 3, for example, the worst possible rating, while Lord of the Rings Online got a 1 and Age of Conan a 2. In fact, all of the MMOs were tagged for addiction as well as some multiplayer games like Halo 3. A few games (The Darkness, Devil May Cry 4) were punished for "demonic" references.

Timothy Plan president Art Ally (left) comments:

Many, if not most, parents who buy their kids video games really don't know the extent of sex and violence imbedded in them. From drug use, prostitution, murder and mayhem to vulgar profanity and blasphemy these games have become a powerfully negative influence on our kids...

 

I believe, if parents would take a moment to look at the report we've created, their game selections would be quite different.

The group maintains a corporate "hall of shame" which includes game publishers EA, Take-Two and Microsoft. The Timothy Plan also offers to screen your portfolio to see if any of your mutual funds have investments in shameful companies.

So helpful!

Document Dump: Get the Timothy Plan's game score card here. The group's press release with holiday shopping warnings is here.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Too True. I think he's still teaching too.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

First emotional response: LOL.

Second emotional response: True, true...

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

"Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn't deserve to live."

Fucking seconded, dude. There's a girl I'm friends with who is a lesbian. She's actually quite nice.

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Thirded, we are all human and thus we should all be treated as such

Do unto others as you'd have them do to you.

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works for me.

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There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Uh I used to be in a relationship with a girl who was bi and even I think that statement's taking it too far.

Although they are dreadfully wrong and scum-like.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Thirded, but motion to change "doesn't deserve to live" to "doesn't deserve to have vocal chords".

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

As a compromise, motion to change the text in question to "doesn't deserve to have a brain to think with." All in favor?

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I motion to a wording closer to:

"Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn't deserve to vote, have any other legal rights, or have a job that pays more than $30,000 a year."

They already don't have a brain to think with, it is too full of stupid.

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Motion seconded.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Hey, Timothy Plan, Go Fuck Yourselfs; You self-rightous, homophopic, holier-than-thou pricks

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

that's right, God, fucknuts; endowed BY THEIR CREATOR.

you have no right to take away the rights of others, gay people are second class citizens thanks to you assholes.

While I am not gay, I am an American and I understand these core beliefs more than you ever will; don't like it?  well then move to Iran you fascist cockmongers.

Repeal Proposition H8!

AE: Let's reign in the profane invectives a bit, shall we?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

actually, nowhere in their bible does it say that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. In fact, it says the opposite: that all men are slaves, down to the very thought, to the obedience of Christ.

The fact that the Timothy Plan is based in America is a great big example of irony.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

dude, I was talking about the Declaration of Independence

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I know, I'm just saying that Christianity and America doesn't mix.

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岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Ahhh, now I get it

although it's really more fundementalists that don't mix with America; the homophobes, the misogynists, the racists, the fascists, the theocrats, the anti-intellectuals, the creationists etc.

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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sorry these guys just really piss me off.

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

"Stuart, do you know what the queers are doing to our soil!"

Ok now that I got that out of my system I have to wonder how exactly are they morally responsable.  I know that my morals appear to be vastly different from theirs.  Makes me think of the Princess Bride "You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means."

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Take a look at my responses to his article  ;)

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

from the lobbist article claiming GP is unfair:

 

''Anyone that wonders over to The Timothy Plan and spends 30 seconds looking at the site can obviously figure out that it adheres to a certain value set, and that last time I checked, in the United States people can think differently and have different value sets.

 

so the main reason you think that its wrong for GP to hold the view that 'gay bashing' as wrong.. is that you beleive that people should be allowed to have their own views...

 

can you spell IRONY.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

lobbyist, thank you for hosting a link to GP on your website.

As per this particular article: kiss our collective asses.

It's not that we hate you: we don't! You are entitled to your own views....as are we. You may not enjoy the so-called "Christian bashing", but that's your view. Our view is that although some games on their list shouldn't be given to kids (12 and under), the inclusion and classification of some games is absolutely absurd.

When it comes right down to it, lobbyist, we like you but disagree with you....Sorry!

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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I don't see anything wrong with being critical of Christianity.  The USA in particular needs it.  The entire faith has become a backwards hate group trying to bring back the dark ages.  

Its about time they get called out for it.  Perhaps it might mobilize/enable so-called (believe it when I see it) "moderate" Christians to bring their faith into the 20th century.  Maybe someday they can join the rest of us in the 21st even.

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Hey, reading the site. I found this on the second page of their Hall of Shame. It looks like they tried to embed a link somehow. But I can't seem to find what the hell they're talking about. Anyone else having any luck with it?

If you are offended by our conservative Christian views, please

read why we are avoiding such pesky nuisances.

 

 

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www.timothyplan.com/ WEBSITE RATINGS

Homophobic Fearmongering: Strong homophobic labling of situations between two or more people of the same gender. 'Morally Responsible' and 'Morally Superior' Individuals like the readers of this website, should keep their children from seeing any of the content in the games that are labled as 'GAY & LESIBIAN' or they might become gay or lesibians themselves, and in that case, disown and cut ALL ties with them. It is the 'Morally Responsible' thing to do.

/Sarcasm

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I have an overpowering urge to grab Cho Aniki on the Wii just to spite people like this.

Does that make me a troll?

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

The only thing with that is the version we got on VC was pretty tame compared to the other ones, from what I've read.

But I don't blame you for wanting to 'stick it to em'. :P

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

If the group want to talk about perceived homo-eroticism then perhaps they should read their own book, The Bible it's full it.

Male homosexuality is nothing to be worried about it games because it rarely exists, due to the fact that it is likely to upset all the teenage boys that play the games and could affect profits. Female homosexuality exists merely as titillation and is a big marketing tool likely to pull in quite a few adolescent males. Taking a sample of the reponses to the article prove these points.

I would have to say that sexual content in games (such as GTA4) is fairly mild compared to what can be seen in similar rated films. The sexual content in GTA4 is nowhere near the strength seen in a film such as Basic Instinct for instance, and the fact that some porn films receive R ratings shows the amount of content that is allowed in films when compared to that in games.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

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ok dont know what i said wrong but tell ya what i will read from now on and not post....

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I didn't say don't post, I just asked you not to take up so much space with your posts.

 

Andrew Eisen

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

Do you mean with the sig or just didnt have enough written down??? How am i taking up so much space is where i'm lost at?

 

Edit: never mind i noticed what you meant my mistake

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

When hitting enter between paragraphs only hit it once. You don't need to hit it multipl times. There are a lot of people who have a tendancy to do that it it makes for long empty posts.

You ca nstill post, just watch your line breaks.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

how can  a man knock up another man in the game and even if its in the game who the hell cares...reading the site right now but am only at gta 4

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Edit: ok please at least tell me what i did wrong?? i asked a simple question? and as i said since it is a problem with me posting here since thats what it sounds like i will read stories and thats it...

AE: Do me a favor and watch the carriage returns.  You're taking up a bit more than your fair share of space.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Chill, I'm not asking you to not post, I'm merely asking you not to take up so much space with your posts.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

the bible also has sexual content, alcohol, homosexuality, murder, demonic content, and these religious fundies are addicted to it. Their bias is showing.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Ah, religious fanaticism, where would the braindead sheep of the world be without them?  Thinking for themselves, forming their own opinions, finding tolerance to truely be the best policy?  Nah, they'd be wandering aimlessly looking for someone to tell them what to do!  (And I'm a Christian)

Enough of the bashing though.  This is only pandering to their own little crowd, an errant google search or two might turn this up, if somebody types in the right thing, but I don't see this list going too far.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

How do they feel about Cooking Mama?

Can we just have a cage match between PETA and Christian Fundamentalists?

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i'd pay to see that

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

So would I. Five bucks on them making a three-way alliance with JT against games. Weapons out, people. It's gonna get rough.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

No it should be Conservative Christians 'let's make the whole world God friendly at the cost of liberty' types  vs. Peta vs. Feminists in a cage match to the death.

I'd pay to see that.

Although I'd hardly classify peta as game haters.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I took a look at their hall of shame and my brain tried to kill itself. Look at some of the subjects they are rated on. Anti-Family? Lifestyles? I guess any company who follows the law and does not actively discriminate against gay people is instantly put here.

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Wait a minute.  Is anyone here saying that extreme violence, sexual themes and Mature rated games are appropriate for children?  If not, then why are you bashing people for pointing out what elements are specifically in these Mature rated games?  So what if it's on the lable?  What's wrong with the redundancy?  If you agree that there is material in these games that some would find objectionable, why are you pissed that someone made a list of said objectionable material?  Fuck! 

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Cause they are a gay bashing self righteous moral uptighty group.

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Tell me is there any behavior you think is wrong?  Do you think gay-bashing is wrong?  Murder? Rape?  Then you are expressing a moral belief.  How self righteous of you.  Shithead.

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You don't believe making blanket statements and trying to degrade people into second class citizens is wrong?

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I just might, but...  if I make a judgement like that I may be labled a self righteous moral motherfucker by SS, and I wouldn't want that. 

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*wry smile* at least games have a rating on them. The bible has just as bad (if not worse) stuff in it and there isn't a single warning label or content rating anywhere on it. And these people would let their children read it without a second thought.

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Oh yeah, your right, I did mention the bible.. no wait... no I didn't.  Thanks for the strawman, do you feel better having knocked him over?  Good.  Now you can go away.

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Uhm... We're shitheads if we believe murder is wrong?

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Uh, no.

Let me take the time to explain this for you.  He basically said he was pissed at them for making a moral judgement.  I pointed out that he, more than likely, does it himself.  And for not realizing it, or for simply thinking it's ok for him to do it (but not them) because he's right.... he's a shithead.  Or another word would be "hypocrite".  Got it?

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

So believeing in a moral code is the same as trashing anyone who disagrees with your moral code and putting non believers on a wall of shame?

Ok gotcha.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

What are you on about? Nobody rattled your cage, nobody pulled your chain.

Believeing in a moral code and standing by it is consistant (agree with them or not).  Believeing an a moral code then breaking it  when it suits you (like the tolerance Nazis)is hypocritical.  There, is that better?  Do you need to have Tylenol and a lie down now?  OK gotcha.    Relax, I'm just fucking you.

 
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