ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial Slur Incident

December 8, 2008 -

Last week GamePolitics reported on a bizarre incident in which more than a dozen prominent game journalists were sent Animal Crossing: Wild World Nintendo DS cartridges which contained a racial slur.

MTV Multiplayer's Stephen Totilo, who broke the story, reports that he subsequently queried used game seller GameStop and the ESRB as to whether the Animal Crossing incident exposes a flaw in the system whereby embedded user-generated content might exceed the content rating.

Both GameStop and the ESRB view the Animal Crossing episode as an anomaly and deny a larger problem. MTV's Totilo writes:

ESRB spokesperson Eliot Mizrachi, told me... “Just as with online-enabled games that allow features like chat, ESRB ratings cannot anticipate and therefore consider user-generated content in the ratings we assign,” he wrote. “Besides, as you mentioned, saving content to the actual game medium is pretty uncommon in today’s games. Most games are read-only with the saved content being stored on the system and not on the game medium itself.”...

The ESRB may not have much reason to worry that questionable content will make it to consumers because gaming chain GameStop claims to be scrubbing the content from re-sold games. Chris Olivera, spokesman for GameStop, told me in a phone interview that his company has a “proprietary” process that wipes consoles and games clean before they are sold back to consumers...

GP: GameStop and the ESRB make a good case here. It's important to remember that the offending DS cart was not purchased through retail channels, but rather was mailed out by Nintendo's own PR department.


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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Changing catchphrases has been around since the original Animal Crossing. I remember changing one of my town resident's catchphrase to bitch. It was great, he would greet me and say things like " hey, long time no see bitch," or "it's a lovely day isn't it bitch?" Good times... Anyway, I guess the problem is that the DS game saves directly to the cartridge, so if you sell your game to someone else without erasing the memory they may just get offended by having town residents call them bitch or some other bad name. Of course similar actions can be taken in other games, like naming your character in Zelda PH fagballs.   

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Though it seems very convienient... it looks as though most people are forgetting that kids learned foul language in a time before video games. I learned it on the school bus... maybe we should see about banning those too.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

This is really no different than using the initals ASS when you got a high score at these things that were called Arcades.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

This is why you put in a regex based swearing filter in the game. At least make them work to put in the nasty stuff. My AC:WW town's name is Dämnation.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Have you looked at the actual expression? It uses alternate versions of letters out the wazoo. That's one hell of a regex.

 

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Yes but regex based word filters don't work well enough to be used in such a scenario. There are too many ways around them and too many ways to get a false positive. Do I regex out Dick when used as a name?

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Only if you aren't good at using regexes. You can do pretty much anything with them if you understand the dark magic behind them

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oh man I wonder what will happen when a little 8 year old comes to his mother and says "mommy whats this word mean?" Thank you nintendo ,child friendly my ass.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

This is why we don't need game ratings.  All they do is cause controversy and hold games back from being presented how the designers want them to be presented.  And if the parents don't like the game they bought it will be their fault for not researching the game before buying it, not the game industry.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

The ratings don't cause the controversy, the content does.  The ESRB didn't look at the word, "nigga", and decide, "Oh, that's okay for everybody! E it is!"  As for your statement regarding the designer's original vision, I'm pretty sure the makers of Animal Crossing didn't have racial slurs in mind when they were going for that "E" rating.  Finally, it already IS the parent's fault if they buy a game without researching it.  The ESRB can't be expected to anticipate user-generated content, as Mizrachi said.

I swear, no offense, but do you even read the articles before you post?  Or the articles that GP links to?  It's a good strategy to avoid sounding silly.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Good for the ESRB and Gamestop.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Hot Coffee technically user-generated? It was embedded in the original code but it was users who found it and exploited it. It's sort of the same situation here. There was an ability to put racial slurs and other bad language into the game due to gameplay elements and someone just exploited it.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

 The Hot Coffee content is T2's fault, not the community who created the mod to open it to the user. The logic, as I see it, is that the material existed regardless of the mod, and was only brought to light by said mod. An analogy would be if you owned an electric razor that blew up if you dropped it in water while running. Its the company who made the razors responsibility to protect John Q. Public from exploding razors.

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It is T2s fault but it's still the community to created the mod to exploit it. To my knowledge this game allows you to put names into the game and while it came form the PR department, it mean that you can add your own content to it. Whether or not you add offensive content is your prerogative, just like adding the Hot Coffee mod.

I get that T2 put the Hot Coffee content in and so that would warrant backlash, but to rate the game AO when you need to exploit the content yourself is not far from this situation. It's rated E but anyone can easily turn it into something offensive so by the previous logic the ESRB used, shouldn't that warrant a higher rating?

They were rating game content with Hot Coffee but they still rated something based on what the community did with it.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

If I recall correctly, you could access hot coffee on the console versions.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

You still had to hack your console and download and install the mod in order to access it.

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The difference is that the Hot Coffee animations and game were physically on the retail disk. This user generated content is not physically on the retail disk. The ESRB rates all content on the retail version of the game now whether it is accessible or not out of the box.

That is the difference.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

I don't know.  I still side with T2 over Hot Coffee.  Yes, the content was in there and on the disc.  Lots of companies, when cutting content, often just cut the connection to the content rather than remove it altogether.  After all, you never know what will introduce bugs and what won't.  So T2 took the very common route and simply removed the code which linked to the events.  Problem solved, right?

Unless, of course, someone violates the EULA and backwards engineers the missing code.  Which is exactly what happened.  While it's true the content was provided by T2, in order to access it, you had to break an agreement you clicked "yes" to in order to do so.  What was on the disc is irrelevant if you have to hack your copy to access it.  ESRBs behavior in that particular case holds developers responsible for what hacks can and cannot do (read: Oblivion rerating).  Which begs the ultimate question, if the uncensor hack for Sims actually should change that rating?  Likewise I could remove one texture in my Citizen Kabuto copy and make the lead topless and bammo, that would have gotten the game AO from the time it was released.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

What M-rated content in the Sims does your uncensor cheat reveal? When I use it, I see Barbie-doll anatomy (or perhaps more accurately, lack thereof). My seven-year-old niece plays with Barbie dolls.

Maybe T2 got screwed by Hot Coffee, but T2 should not have tried to lie their way out of it from the start. In any case, the only reason Hot Coffee matters now is the precedent it set: If it's on the disc it's up for rating and EULAs don't have anything to do with it.

Good point about teh Sea Reapers in Citizen Kabuto.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

somewhat poor analogy, chances are the razor would have a generic warning about mixing water with electricity.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Well Newgrounds rates hundreds of user generated content every day.

Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Newgrounds doesn't rate it. The submitter rates it and if it is reported as not accurate, Newgrounds will change it or delete it.

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

Rates as in, age rating or rating as in how bad is sucks? :P

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

"was not purchased through retail channels, but rather was mailed out by Nintendo's own PR department."

Ya, i bet someones kid that works for nintendo's pr department is grounded for like, a year right now :)

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

And despite that quote, there are still people who somehow believe all 14 copies sent from Nintendo magically stumbled across the same user generated content on WiFi....

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Re: ESRB, GameStop See No Loophole in Animal Crossing Racial

 How can they possibly hope to rate user content? A game with open ended interfaces can swing from E for everyone to AO for pixelated breasts. No matter what they rate it, they are going to do it and the consumer a disservice.

 What they need is a new rating: User Driven Content -> U

 
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E. Zachary KnightWonder, I know you can revise content and resubmit it, but I can't findany information about a formal appeals process.05/28/2015 - 7:27pm
Wonderkarpever wonder if there's an appeals process for AO?05/28/2015 - 6:55pm
Matthew WilsonDanny and Andy play the first couple of levels of the upcoming Hatred http://www.gamespot.com/videos/hatred-gamespot-plays/2300-6425016/ imho it does not look like it should be AO.05/28/2015 - 5:57pm
Andrew EisenHey, remember Kung Fury? That short film that was funded via Kickstarter a few years ago? You can watch it now. I suggest you do. It's fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg05/28/2015 - 5:14pm
Goth_SkunkOriginally, yes. Some content was cut out in order to reduce its ratign from AO down to M, but PC users could work around that an unlock the full content by means of a patch. Which is what I did. :D05/28/2015 - 3:56pm
Andrew EisenKarp - Yes, for strong sexual content. Although the recent remaster contains all that content and was rated M.05/28/2015 - 3:54pm
Andrew EisenDepends on if you consider Hatred misrated. I haven't played the game or seen the ESRB's rating summary so I'm undecided.05/28/2015 - 3:53pm
WonderkarpDidnt Fahrenheit have an AO?05/28/2015 - 3:52pm
Matthew Wilson@AE that is why I said it seems more moral panic to me.05/28/2015 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenMatthew - From what I've seen (just the trailers) the game is nowhere near as gory as many, many other games. But again, I'm guessing the AO rating comes from theme and tone rather than outright gore.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
Andrew EisenKarp - It didn't show penetration or nudity.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
WonderkarpI'd say Mortal Kombat X has more Gore and Violence than Hatred.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
Matthew Wilsonwhat I mean by worse in this case its not more gory/violent than others.05/28/2015 - 3:48pm
WonderkarpI forget....did Hot Coffee actually show Penetration?05/28/2015 - 3:48pm
Andrew EisenKarp - The Skyrim mods are external mods. The Hot Coffee mod unlocked content on the disc. Big difference. Still, the content that was unlocked was still perfectly in line with an M rating in my opinion.05/28/2015 - 3:47pm
Andrew EisenThemes are factored into ratings, not just mechanics. Still waiting for ESRB's rating summary. Very curious to see what it has to say.05/28/2015 - 3:46pm
Matthew WilsonHatred is a top down shooter though, and isnt any worse than other top down shooters?05/28/2015 - 3:45pm
Wonderkarpyeah, San Andreases rerating was ridiculous. Why not rerate Skyrim with all its crazy sex mods out there? But yeah, ESRB is good as policing itself. 05/28/2015 - 3:45pm
Andrew EisenManhunt 2 and Hatred though? Eh, there's an argument to be made for the higher rating.05/28/2015 - 3:43pm
Andrew EisenRerating San Andreas was a mistake though. That seemed to be the result of kowtowing to public pressure.05/28/2015 - 3:42pm
 

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