Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kills"
Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kills"
December 11, 2008
Critics have blamed violent video games for a number of egregious behaviors over the years, from school shootings to attacks on homeless people to garden variety aggressiveness.
But an article on the American Spectator posits a new - and baffling - theory of game blame. Writing for the conservative website, author Bill Croke blames violent game fans for the illegal slaughtering of animals.
By way of makinghis case, Croke mentions a couple of research studies linking violent games to negative behavior and, in an impressive leap of faith, draws a link between games and the wanton killing of wildlife:
It's a sickeningly familiar story. Two moose shot and left to rot... Two yearling grizzly bears killed... An increasing wasted antelope body count... Senselessly murdered mule deer left on the ground... All this has nothing to do with the legal autumn hunting seasons... it's "thrill killing," as wildlife managers call it... It's actually a national problem.
According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation. Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games...
I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings.
Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.
UPDATE: Following up on GP's coverage, What They Play made a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library (Croke mentions watching teens play shoot-em-up games there in a portion of his column not cited by GP):
Interestingly, a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library revealed that they do not, in fact, carry video games which obviously casts some doubt over how thorough Croke has really been in his "research" for this piece. "We do not carry games, just books, DVDs, CDs, and books on tape," said the nice lady who answered the phone.
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Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
Andrew Eisen: Beardogg-X - Not staunchly, no. However, only one AG has gone on record as supporting an R18+ rating. The rest either stated no position or declined to comment.
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BearDogg-X: With Atkinson stepping down, the question now becomes was there any other AG besides him that was against R18+? His stepping down does make R18+ more likely to be approved.
Posted 03/20/10 at 10:18pm
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Andrew Eisen: Well, Adelaide readers seem pleased with Atkinson's decision. 420 out of 437.
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Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Gamecube and Xbox came out in late 2001 with contollers pretty similar to the Dual Shock. You never know thoug. This Fall may be when the standard controller changes from the Dual Shock to a motion wand. *shudder*
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Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
Flamespeak: at a quicker rate these days.
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Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
Flamespeak: I believe that was launched in the first part of 1998. 2 years seems kind of fast too, but then again the world seems to move
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Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
Andrew Eisen: Flamespeak - Not when you consider Sony's been using the same controller since the PS1.
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BearDogg-X: Andrew Eisen: I meant that it won't take as many people to change their votes next election. Besides that, it's become a moot point now that he's stepping down as AG as soon as the election's over.
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Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
Flamespeak: Seems kind of early considering the PS2 didn't launch until well into 2000.
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Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
Andrew Eisen: Fleamespeak - I'd say since around the turn of the century.
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Andrew Eisen: BearDogg-X - Not sure what your point about Atkinson having only 8500 votes is, seeing as that's around 65% (of the total votes counted at the time).
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Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
Flamespeak: I remember when the NES controller held that honor and the stand alone one button joystick before that.
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Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
Flamespeak: artistic rendering of things associated with gaming? Even GP has a rough version of one in their logo.
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Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
Flamespeak: Just out of curiosity, when did the PS2 controller become the 'standard' for video game controller representation in most
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...didn't one group complain that games stopped kids from doing this sort of thing?
/b
Especially if you are shooting your own eye out! :P
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Video games are the cause and solution to most of people's problems! ;)
Videogames are the new alcohol!
And yet enormous herds of Scapegoats still roam the land. Someone should make a game about shooting those so we can depopulate.
Seconded, and well put poet.
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You win. Thread over. Everyone go home.
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The main problem with this logic is that all animals would be extinct if that were the case. The other problem is that the video game generation is the 30s+ group now. :/ It doesn't matter what their parents allow, they aren't liable to care for their 30 year old children.
Ya, why is it people think gamers are barely into their 20s? hell i'm about to hit 30 O.o i mean, i wish i was still just 22 hehe :P hell most of the ppl in my wow guild are either close to or over 30.
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So no one ever killed animals just to kill them before video games? No one ever illegally hunted before? Bollocks.
Are we blaming GTA for this, or would this be the fault of games like "Cabela's Dangerous Hunts"?
Dismissing all video games as mindless shows the author's true ignorance of the subject.
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I blame Turok for the cause of Dinosaur extinctions. It was proven that caveman and Dinosaurs did live together in one time. The caveman played too much Turok and now all the Dinosaurs were mysteriously dissapearing and they became extinct. The metorites and volcano theories were from before the Dinosaurs, the precambian extinction was caused by those natural events or did they?
OH common now, as the author of the article and every game critic knows:
1. The earth is only 7 thousand years old
2. Adam got thrown out of heaven for playing vidja games
3. God put dinosaur bones into the ground to test our faith...
Turok is just propagating the video game lobbies’ myth that Dinosaurs and Native Americans existed at some point. They clearly didn’t.
By the way, I hope to god that people realize the above ‘facts’ are NOT TRUE…
Well at least they blame the parents as well. Which is something I guess.
_ _ Pops... If you dance with the devil, the devil don't change. The devil changes you.
Indeed... obviously I can't give him full credit, but it's a start.
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Wow. I guess methheads really do exist -- and they write columns...
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See this is what happen when writers takes ellicit drugs. Boom, you get these kind of bullshit logics. See I'm in EN102 in my college class and we learn about arguments and how to detect fallancies. I talk to my English teachers if a writers like this person could be on drugs, she told me there were several scenarios where there are fallancies like this. This logics this person wrote doesn't make sense.
What did we learn from this bullcrap writings.
illicit Drugs + writers=fallancies with bullshit logics.
Remember, don't ever let a writers mix up with drugs, they can create this stupid essays with too many fallancies.
Conservative writers do not take illicit drugs...
They take Oxycontin... which is basically the same as heroin, but legal...
I like how guys like this seem to think that if teens/young adults wern't playing video games, then they'd be sat at home discussing Nitzsch.
This guy must have never dealt with Wildlife Rangers because this has been going on since I was little (and I guess Im the game generation). In fact one Wildlife Ranger showed some fellow students and I a dummy target they use to trap jerks that like to just take pot shots at animals off the side of roads ... but as we all know video games cause all the problems in the world I mean Vietnam caused by video games, WWI caused by video games, hell the Great Wall of China was built because of the threat of roaming video game players.
"the Great Wall of China was built because of the threat of roaming video game players."
lol, great line. made me laugh :P
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Great line, but grey_poet still takes home the trophy. Sorry. :)
And yes, all wars throughout history were caused by video games. It's a well-established fact that Hitler was a DDR junkie. And all of those Crusades the Catholic church started in the Middle Ages?
Starcraft. It was all Starcraft's fault.
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Not only that:
when historians tried to find out why John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln and help the confederacy try to take over DC after the Civil War. It was found that Booth played too much Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Gears of War, Uncharted; Drake's Fortune, and Quantum of Solace. Here's the proof:
-They found copies of those game at his old houses.
-The way he past the guard, he kept taking cover behind the wall, zig zagging to one wall to another just like how 007 did it in Qunatum of Solace. Also he knocked down several guards in the same way Solid Snake, Sam Fisher, and 007 from Quantum of Solace. He took down a guard by breaking one leg and snap the guard neck. Another guard was knockdown by getting push out of the balcony just before he reached Lincoln's booth.
-When Booth escaped, he took down guards by pulling off a takedown very much like the one in Quantum of Solace.
-When he try to get to get from windows to windows, it was very much similar to the one in Quantum of Solace.
-Booth was carrying both a gun and a knife, like Snake did.
-Booth was wearing a NVG much like Sam Fisher did.
-Booth always use shadow to hide from guards.
So, what game were people playing when they forced the Dodo into extinction, or when they almost made the American Bison extinct? What about the thousands of years of thrill killing that has been going on. What video game were they playing?
I think we are starting to sound as much like broken records as these critics. When ever they blame some disgusting act on games, we bring up that these things have been going on long before video games. When will they learn?
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I want to know who these people are who are allowed to make these accusations, and what their education is... This idiot's last article was titled Wicked Witch of the West. You can tell he is just writing article to try to catch people's attention, and has no credibility. I still want to know his level of education though.
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I don't know but I blame Turok for the extinction of dinosaurs. but I'm glad we have cloning and Jurassic Park fantasies, that's mean we can bring out the species we killed because of us playing video game too much and taught to kill animal to the point of extinctions.
it's obvious that Oregon Trail caused the extinction of the American Bison. It taught our kids to hunt bison. I don't know about the dodo though it's very possible that they played Wii Carnival Games and become overly happy and complacent. They never suspected the humans would kill them......
Hrmmmmmmmm considering this has been happening oh say for OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am willing to believe that video games were not quite involved on this one.
I was a good kid once, I swear it!
After my regular beatings I used to hang out harmlessly by the gun store, smoking pot and trading needles, after which I’d return home to realize I have no true friends. Ah, it was a good life... That is, it WAS, until I picked up one of these so called Vidja games! Now, I can’t get by without drowning puppies or giving someone cancer… My life’s fallen into a downward spiral of villainy, EBIL and GTA incited moose killings!
Hopefully I’ll find solace with my fellow conservatives, like good ol’ moose killin’ Palin.
"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings."
Moving a mouse and pulling a trigger are two very different things. Additionally, moving from randomly shooting animals in the forest to shooting people is not just a casual step up.
A few animals get shot and this guy labels an entire generation as mass murders who are now all out doing the trendy thing and shooting random wild life? It's just absurd and insulting.
Ah to be the villian once again by my association with Pong, Mario, Banjo Kazooie, Sonic and Kaim Argonar.
I hope oneday to ride a horse over a large bridge and go bag me a Collossus . . .
Yes. I always get urges to grab my rifle, hike a mountain, spot a moose and shoot it after I play video games.
It's the strangest thing.
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Ummm..I am sorry but its the whole "me man me kill things/the lord gave us this land...to hunt...and rape" thing that lets people simply screw over wildlife..
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Can we say that the anti-videogames people have jumped the shark?
Yes, yes they have
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
okay, you are now the master of the /facepalm as far as i'm concerned.
oh yeah?
How do you like me now muthafucka!
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That's a lot of facepalm.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
I haven't seen that much facepalm since JT was on 60 minutes....
You left one out.
Lulz-factor is now below -100%.
glad I could ruin the lulz for everyone....at least it's not JT doing it
Careful, you're approaching Shadow D. Darkman levels of terrible posting.
Well, I thought it was funny.
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Well, firstly, this guy is (probably) citing a correlation study. As such, the study itself may be as much proof as we can get before actually confirming it with experiments (like smoking causes cancer; correlations say yes, but no experiments can be done to difinitively prove it), or it can be a long series of indirect influences (I believe on such correlation study such as this was that in areas where there were free abortion clinics, crime was lower). Correlation strudies are done to show links, that's it. A is linked to B. However, it's a matter of whether A causes B, or A can cause C, which can cause D, which can cause B.
I also love his bridging between the two. Because, you know, there's an obvious link between video games and thrill killing. And, of course, it's one of the worst crimes you can commit out there, in direct opposite to wanting polar bears off the endangered animals list so you can drill for oil.
In all seriousness, it is a waste, but still... This isn't A + B= C.
"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."
By that logic:
Sports are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.
TV shows are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.
Columns like this are naive, ignorant and out of touch, as are the people who write them.
Don't forget whats more in line with the tone of this article....
"Thanksgiving is mindless, as are the familes who gather together every year and celebrate with a festive turkey, more than likely killed by a video gamer."
That's racist by someones definition I wont name in the Muxlim comments section...
Anyone eles getting sick of these stupid associations we get and attacks?
""Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.""
JT's writing articles under a different name I see, oh, wait, he actually mentioned the parents, that can't be him. Still, this guys just as stupid though.
And there was me thinking it was people like Sarah Palin, who seems to encourage popping a cap up the ass of anything that walks on four legs...
To be fair, Palin is a legal game hunter. 'Thrill Killing' is illegal and not associated with actual hunting.
We don't like it when folks make inaccurate and defaming comments about gaming, so let's stay on target here.
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Writing mentally challenged columns is mindless, as are the people writing them who believe their own bullshit.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
*pops put of the wood work* I heard that! :P
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LOL, they are coming out of the woodwork. They must have heard the throne of stupid video game scaremonger was empty and so they are each throwing their hat in.
Here is the formula:
1. Take problem that has been happening for at least 100 years, like trophy hunting, joy riding, or robbing taxi drivers.
2. Cite a study which claims that this is done by young people, violent people, or socialy maladjusted people. Don't worry if you can't find one. You can make one up or cite one on the price of eggs, no one important ever pulls references.
3. Point out that either the aforementioned group play video games, or that video games can turn people into them.
4. Claim that video games are the definitive primary cause of the problem. Ignore any questions about such logic. If questions continue, reference your study (don't give details on study). If questions still continue, claim they are part of "teh conspiracy".
His last line pretty much highlights his ignorance on the subject. Really there isn't much for me to comment on it. So instead I'm just gonna have a little fun.
It's a "well-established fact" that video games = massive, psychotic genocide/homocide. Don't believe me? Here's a list of well-known historical figures and the games they played.
Hitler - Lemmings. He liked to make them all fall into the lava pit.
Stalin - Starcraft. He only expanded the USSR because he wanted to see the whole map and couldn't figure out how to turn off the fog of war. While an avid player, he sucked at resource management. Always went straight for nukes.
Jeffrey Dahmer - Cooking Mama. Originally played it in Japanese. Mistransled "beef" with "human".
Jack the Ripper - Trauma Center. He thought he could put them back together afterwards.
Vlad the Impaler - Bejeweled. It was rather impressive how he was able to group up so many Turks based on the color of their clothing.
Napoleon - Shadow of the Colossus. Made him believe that even small men can change the world.
Caligula - Newgrounds Flash games. Have you ever been to that site? The crap on there would F you up too.
The Vikings - World of Warcraft. They were just emulating the raids they did against Crossroads. Evidence supports this by the following message that was found burned into the side of a monestary; "Lulz!! We r in ur church, pillaging ur treasure. U wish u were l33t like us, n00bs!!1!"
Can't you see that the evidence is plain as day? Plain as day!!!!
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I did more research also. I found something more intresting.
All communist countrys-Command & Conquer red alert series. I found out Vladimir Lenin was an avid fans of Command & Conquer. Same thing for Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Ho Chi Minh, and Pol Pot. they all loved command & Conquer Red Alert. I heard they try to build their own tanks and Airship resembling the one in the game.
Genghis Khan-Starcraft, Command & Conquer, Ages of Empire. I found out that Khan wasn't a good leader from the beginning until those video games made him a leader. It was found at Mongolia a fossilized video game software and old computer.
Ted bundy, Ed Gein, Charles Manson, Zodiac Killer, Green River Killer-Manhunt. I was reading criminal laws textbook and I study serial killers. the way these killers killed their victim was very much like the one in Manhunt 1 and 2. The Green river Killer was thought to resemble James Earl Cash from the first game. For the Zodiac Killer, Arthur Leigh Allen (the alleged killer) resembles Daniel Lamb from the second game and reported to play the game. Charles Manson was reported to play that game every night and he alleged that he was the character and he sees everybody looking like people from the game and said "they're out to get me."
The Palestine-Israel conflict-blame it on Bladestorm: the 100 year wars and Counterstrike. The Palestinian played the british side too much while the Israelis played the french sides in the game. Suddenly, they all started to become like the real British and French and attack one another. They also were playing Counterstrike, when one of them lose, they will commit suicide bombing thinking this is a video game to them. Oh to add that, I also blame textbooks teaching about the hundred years war because they're making palestinian and Israelis thinking they're the British and French.
the hundred years war and the second hundred years war (1689-1815)-CounterStrike, Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, and Battlefield: Bad Company and Modern Combats, Tom Clancy's Endwar, Ghost Recon, and Rainbow Six
the British and the French play too much of those games and they started to think the world around them is a video game. I heard before Oppenheimer and Einstein before they developed nuclear weapon, Britain and France were developing them also during the second hundred years. but failed to find the right materials. I heard France was going to reenact the nuclear bomb scene in COD 4 and put it in London. two of the country had their special forces. The British had Phantom Scout (a British special forces created from Ghost Recon), and the French had 10-man team based on Rainbow Six.
That's enough evidence to prove that game was behind our history's greatest troubles.
"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."
Heh heh, awww, in't dat cyuuuute?
BUT IT'S WROOOOONG!!!
wasnt that off 2 Stupid Dogs?... your quote i mean.... man... i liked that show
Well, I heard it in Tiny Toons. An angry teacher was making the students stay in past the end-class bell until someone got a math problem right. She would say that to some of the students making up answers (Elmyra for one).
I hate hunting, so a video game can't even make me shoot something
I hate hunting too. But as my mother told me years ago, those hunted in the wild have a much greater chance of surviving, than those animals that eventually become domesticated food. You know, BEEF. Cows, for an example are raised in capitivity untill the right age then are slaughthered and they become, hamburgers, steak, etc. They have no chances of survival, Even if one got out, either by accident, or PETA helps it, it will still die becuase, it has no idea how to survive in the wild.
- Warren Lewis
Wait a second. Back this up.
If I kill an animal outside of the legal, autumn hunting season and leave it there it's considered "thrill-killing" and therefore a fault of video games, but if I kill an animal within that season and don't leave it there it's perfectly fine and somehow totally different?
Okay, that makes perfect sense.
If he's a super conservative, his opinion is immediately invalidated.
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I think the Penny Arcade comic about that blogger's inflammatory Mass Effect remarks applies here.
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So let me get this straight. Because these wildlife "thrill kills" are being made by males age 15 - 22 (btw how do they know that?) therefore videogames are what's causing it?
WHAT!?!?! Evel Knievel couldn't have made that leap!
So, according to this, JackyT's been getting it all wrong. We go from getting the skill by playing videogames, then perfecting said skill, on the wildlife, and then we shoot people, when we've gotten good enough?
What has this guy been smoking?
- Warren Lewis
"these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation."
What about the "Nintendo generation" that comes to its 30's ? Or the "Atari generation" that comes to its 40 ?
"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."
Yeah, sure, Brain Training or Myst or the latest Super Mario are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.
Btw, speaking about "thrill killings", what about the numerous bloodsports involving animals through the centuries : even before dogfighting (hello Michael Vick !), there were Roman Circus, cockfighting, bull and bear baiting, etc... All these leisures were very popular among aristocrats until the 19th century. And horse fights are still practiced in China.
As if hunting wasn't just legal "thrill killing."
It isn't. It's a necessary sport.
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"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game..."
Yep...it's just at easy. What an Idiot. I wonder if he will start calling for a ban on all the Cabela hunting games.
"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."
Conservatives are mindless, as are the parents that spawned them. Man you can just flip this phrase around to anything you wish :D
"Conservatives are mindless, as are the parents that spawned them. Man you can just flip this phrase around to anything you wish :D"
Hmmm, I could say that about Liberals as well since most of the time, they're the ones causing trouble, and trying to sell seats on Ebay.
That has nothing to do with his liberalism, all he is is a royally corrupt Chicago politician/asswipe
also there are lots of conservative politicians that are corrupt and one of them was our president for the past eight years; also Sarah Palin, aka Super Bush.
you cannot say that all liberals are mindless based on one guy that's like me saying that all conservatives are child molesters based on the actions of,
Scott Muschany http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/08/blunt-kinder-call-on-muschany-to-resign/
Royce Fessenden http://www.news-leader.com/article/20081022/NEWS01/810220515/1007/NEWS01
Chris Ortloff http://www.wptz.com/news/17711084/detail.html
and many others at http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
now you also cannot say all conservatives are mindless due to the guy that wrote the article being a dumbass
no steriotyping of any political party please not all liberals are corrupt not all conservatives are child molesters
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
Strike a nerve there did I? I was only trying to show the redundancy of a blanket statement like his. Yet you seem to have taken it too seriously and tried to flip my redundant comment to attack the liberals. Conservative, or Liberal they are both corrupt down to the root. No one side is clean and guilt free.
Scapegoats: They are not a endangered spicie... isn´t they?
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''I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game...''
what? just what.. this is baffling. there are barely any games i can recall, that teach you to randomly get up, go out, and shoot animals, and then walk way laughing....
And if there where.. um.. how exactly would that be particularly fun? Wouldnt it get dull repetitive and boring after ooh i dont know.. once?
what about when the romans had animals (lions etc) shipped over to fight in amphitheatres?
did they do it because video games made them? wow. They were more technologically advanced than i thought.
One thing the conservative author probably doesn't think about:
100% of these kills are done by someone who owns a gun.
Wait, so, you blame one inanimate object, in defense of another inanimate object (that you happen to enjoy using)?
Contradict much?
~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~
Way to miss the point. Highlighting the fact that the man blames an inanimate object with no connection to the actual killing over the inanimate object used specifically for killing animals is why the editorial is a complete non-starter.
May as well blame automobile accidents on garages. Lots of people who drive cars park them in garages, after all!
The idea that one can blame guns for this is just as false as saying you can blame video games. It ignores the human being controlling both. You car/garage example is silly, my point was that blaming a car for ALL auto accidents is like blaming video games for them. Both are naive and childish line of thinking, and once again ignores the human driver.
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I'm not blaming guns. I'm blaming gun owners.
Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings.
Remind me why the game players are the "nihilstic" ones again, you seem to downright look forward to the thought of people being killed to support your self-concocted theory.
Duck Hunt made them do it!
correction....
The dog from Duck Hunt made them do it...
heh heh
WIN
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
Personally, I think Bill Croke and his story are a waste.
However, Blago wasn't labeled a Democrat anywhere in the story about him and he is in so much Federal Poo it ain't funny. Strangely, the first word in the title about a guy that simply wrote a stupid article is, "Conservative."
lol... Bias, what bias?
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .
Okay so we'll just change the title to Author Conservative Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kill"
jeez, firstly it's a blog Dennis can write whatever he wants, secondly being a Democrat is irrelevant to the story, it was far more important to mention that he tried to pass anti-game legislation.
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
Yes, Dennis is free to write what he wants. Great observation.
If it is more important for Dennis to let it be known a writer is Conservative than it is to let it be known one of the biggest scandals of late was perpetrated by a Democrat with ties to the Messianic President-Elect, then it should be no surprise that some see it as bias. Further, in a time where the media itself admits it is liberally biased this should be news. After all, isn't the press supposed to report fairly?
Do you think Dennis would consider himself part of the press even if, as you say, "jeez, firstly it's a blog..."? I would think Dennis considers himself part of the press and I do as well. Also consider the fact that the site is called GamePolitics; the name says politics. When blogging, writing, talking about politics wouldn't it be important to tell it all, not leave out the parts that align associations? Sure, Dennis chooses to leave it out, but doing so also shows he chose not to bring attention to the, "(D)."
I guess you're too "L337" to understand.
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .
/agree
~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~
Get over yourself and your persecution complex. This blog has always leaned left. Where have you been?
I have no complex; just challenging a little. I understand, and it is evidenced here, that some people don't like to be challenged and there's nothing wrong with that. We need people of all types.
And, so you know, I've been over myself for quite some time now. So long, in fact, that I can't remember the last time I typed that phrase, "Get over yourself..." It's usually THOSE people that are stuck under themselves.
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .
"I know you are, but what am I?" Wow. Heavy stuff there, PeeWee.
Typical and predictabale.
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .
Leaning "Left" is fine, Dennis makes no attempt to hide it. However, it's quite telling that it's some how important that this author is "Conservative" but it's not as important that Blagovich is a Democrat, and as much a leading "Liberal" as Palin is the opposite.
I think that the OP was correct in pointing out, "Your bias is showing." It's like telling someone they have a little food on their face, or their fly is down.
~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~
Oh God, your one of those that think that we think that Obama is the messia, news flash we don't
My name is BrandonL337 because my middle name is Lee
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh."
Maybe Bill should leave the thinking to others.
-- Olly
"It's a sickeningly familiar story. Two moose shot and left to rot... Two yearling grizzly bears killed... An increasing wasted antelope body count... Senselessly murdered mule deer left on the ground... All this has nothing to do with the legal autumn hunting seasons... it's "thrill killing," as wildlife managers call it... It's actually a national problem."
Really, before video game there was no killing of animals. Wow, so maybe the dinosaurs, Wolly Mammoth, Saber Tooth tiger, and the Tasmanian Devils could have been alive because video game made us kill those creature. So mass extinction is not cause by Natural selections or natural disasters, it was video game. That really makes a lot of sense. I have to tell my Biology teacher on your intresting findings. Make sure you publish your work and your datas because scientists love those. it's all about the data when you're publishing your work in front of the scientists.
"According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation. Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games..."
Do you have datas and figures to back that up? Everybody will believe you if you have that data.
"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings."
So before video game, this planet was a utopia place right. No violence, no hate, huh. Wow, so you're saying that WW1, WW2, Cold War, all civil wars, and any other wars was caused by videogame, right.
"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."
So education are mindless also. Entertainment are mindless also. Let see what else is mindless according to your logics. sports are mindless, singing is mindless, wow every leisure thing is mindless. So what can you do not to be mindless. Stay home and be a fat lazy bum, now that's not mindless. i understand. Very well, I'll become one of them so any of these leisure won't make me a mindless fools.
Hate to tell you buddy but Tasmanian Devils are still alive and kicking. Besides, humans aren't what have been killing them off. Tassie Devils seem to have a tendency to get facial tumors that eventually kill them.
two words for this author: Sarah Palin
岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」
LOL
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
People try to connect the cause of many problems on the content of video games, but no one seems interested to discuss what "caused" the content in video games.
Moose meat is yummy ^^
Is it really? what's it like?
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
Is it really? what's it like?
double post plz delete
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
"these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22"
I got the perfect explanation for that.
TESTOSTERON!
Back when I learned to hunt (deer, squirrels), the only games I had played where Atari generation games like Pac Man and Centipede, then Super Mario, King's Quest, and maybe Final Fantasy. None of those games taught me how to enjoy hunting, which is essentially just killing animals for the thrill of it. I mean, I'm not poor, most hunters aren't. If we wanted to, we could go buy a package of hamburger. But there's something powerful about going out, sneaking up on a skittish animal, and killing it yourself for food.
Killing animals merely for the "sport" of it, and leaving the carcass there, is definitely wrong. But it derives the same sense of excitement that legitimate hunting does. It's also a bit morally bankrupt to kill animals without thought of maintaining their populations (all hunting in the US is only legal when it is within the bounds of keeping rampant animal populations down to a "safe" level for both the animals and humans), so killing bear yearlings is just sick. But then, people have been doing this since before video games existed. The "problem" is a part of humanity itself. Let's face it, as a group, we're all a bunch of assholes.
*edit* Didn't intend to post this one...
. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .
"According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation."
Erm... last time I checked, the videogame generation was well into its 30s.
I don't think your average gamer is going to go out and shoot a moose. They probably wouldn't even be able to FIND a moose if they tried.
I'm thinking this is more, you know, kids of parents who own a wealth of rifles who teach their kids how to use them? Ever considered that?
And sure it may have been easy to say games were mindless before they were practically expected to have voice acting, sweeping plots and cinematic cutscenes, which shows just how out of the loop this guy is.
This post makes no sense to me
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