Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kills"

December 11, 2008 -

Critics have blamed violent video games for a number of egregious behaviors over the years, from school shootings to attacks on homeless people to garden variety aggressiveness.

But an article on the American Spectator posits a new - and baffling - theory of game blame. Writing for the conservative website, author Bill Croke blames violent game fans for the illegal slaughtering of animals.

By way of makinghis case, Croke mentions a couple of research studies linking violent games to negative behavior and, in an impressive leap of faith, draws a link between games and the wanton killing of wildlife:

It's a sickeningly familiar story. Two moose shot and left to rot... Two yearling grizzly bears killed... An increasing wasted antelope body count... Senselessly murdered mule deer left on the ground... All this has nothing to do with the legal autumn hunting seasons... it's "thrill killing," as wildlife managers call it... It's actually a national problem.

According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation. Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games...

I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings.

Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.

UPDATE: Following up on GP's coverage, What They Play made a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library (Croke mentions watching teens play shoot-em-up games there in a portion of his column not cited by GP):

Interestingly, a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library revealed that they do not, in fact, carry video games which obviously casts some doubt over how thorough Croke has really been in his "research" for this piece. "We do not carry games, just books, DVDs, CDs, and books on tape," said the nice lady who answered the phone.


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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I don't think your average gamer is going to go out and shoot a moose. They probably wouldn't even be able to FIND a moose if they tried.

I'm thinking this is more, you know, kids of parents who own a wealth of rifles who teach their kids how to use them? Ever considered that?

And sure it may have been easy to say games were mindless before they were practically expected to have voice acting, sweeping plots and cinematic cutscenes, which shows just how out of the loop this guy is.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation."

Erm... last time I checked, the videogame generation was well into its 30s.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

*edit* Didn't intend to post this one...

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Back when I learned to hunt (deer, squirrels), the only games I had played where Atari generation games like Pac Man and Centipede, then Super Mario, King's Quest, and maybe Final Fantasy.  None of those games taught me how to enjoy hunting, which is essentially just killing animals for the thrill of it.  I mean, I'm not poor, most hunters aren't.  If we wanted to, we could go buy a package of hamburger.  But there's something powerful about going out, sneaking up on a skittish animal, and killing it yourself for food.

Killing animals merely for the "sport" of it, and leaving the carcass there, is definitely wrong.  But it derives the same sense of excitement that legitimate hunting does.  It's also a bit morally bankrupt to kill animals without thought of maintaining their populations (all hunting in the US is only legal when it is within the bounds of keeping rampant animal populations down to a "safe" level for both the animals and humans), so killing bear yearlings is just sick.  But then, people have been doing this since before video games existed.  The "problem" is a part of humanity itself.  Let's face it, as a group, we're all a bunch of assholes.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22"

I got the perfect explanation for that.

 TESTOSTERON!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Moose meat is yummy ^^

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Is it really? what's it like?

double post plz delete

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Is it really? what's it like?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

People try to connect the cause of many problems on the content of video games, but no one seems interested to discuss what "caused" the content in video games.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

two words for this author: Sarah Palin

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

LOL

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"It's a sickeningly familiar story. Two moose shot and left to rot... Two yearling grizzly bears killed... An increasing wasted antelope body count... Senselessly murdered mule deer left on the ground... All this has nothing to do with the legal autumn hunting seasons... it's "thrill killing," as wildlife managers call it... It's actually a national problem."
 

Really, before video game there was no killing of animals.  Wow, so maybe the dinosaurs, Wolly Mammoth, Saber Tooth tiger, and the Tasmanian Devils could have been alive because video game made us kill those creature.  So mass extinction is not cause by Natural selections or natural disasters, it was video game. That really makes a lot of sense.  I have to tell my Biology teacher on your intresting findings.  Make sure you publish your work and your datas because scientists love those.  it's all about the data when you're publishing your work in front of the scientists.

"According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation. Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games..."
 

Do you have datas and figures to back that up?  Everybody will believe you if you have that data.

"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings."

So before video game, this planet was a utopia place right.  No violence, no hate, huh.  Wow, so you're saying that WW1, WW2, Cold War, all civil wars, and any other wars was caused by videogame, right.

"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."

So education are mindless also.  Entertainment are mindless also.  Let see what else is mindless according to your logics.  sports are mindless, singing is mindless, wow every leisure thing is mindless.  So what can you do not to be mindless.  Stay home and be a fat lazy bum, now that's not mindless.  i understand.  Very well, I'll become one of them so any of these leisure won't make me a mindless fools.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Hate to tell you buddy but Tasmanian Devils are still alive and kicking. Besides, humans aren't what have been killing them off. Tassie Devils seem to have a tendency to get facial tumors that eventually kill them.

IMA FIRIN MAH LASER!!!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh."

Maybe Bill should leave the thinking to others. 

-- Olly

-- Olly

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Personally, I think Bill Croke and his story are a waste.

However, Blago wasn't labeled a Democrat anywhere in the story about him and he is in so much Federal Poo it ain't funny. Strangely, the first word in the title about a guy that simply wrote a stupid article is, "Conservative."

lol... Bias, what bias?

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Okay so we'll just change the title to Author Conservative Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kill"

jeez, firstly it's a blog Dennis can write whatever he wants, secondly being a Democrat is irrelevant to the story, it was far more important to mention that he tried to pass anti-game legislation.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Yes, Dennis is free to write what he wants. Great observation.

If it is more important for Dennis to let it be known a writer is Conservative than it is to let it be known one of the biggest scandals of late was perpetrated by a Democrat with ties to the Messianic President-Elect, then it should be no surprise that some see it as bias. Further, in a time where the media itself admits it is liberally biased this should be news. After all, isn't the press supposed to report fairly?

Do you think Dennis would consider himself part of the press even if, as you say, "jeez, firstly it's a blog..."? I would think Dennis considers himself part of the press and I do as well. Also consider the fact that the site is called GamePolitics; the name says politics. When blogging, writing, talking about politics wouldn't it be important to tell it all, not leave out the parts that align associations? Sure, Dennis chooses to leave it out, but doing so also shows he chose not to bring attention to the, "(D)."

I guess you're too "L337" to understand.

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Oh God, your one of those that think that we think that Obama is the messia, news flash we don't

My name is BrandonL337 because my middle name is Lee

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Get over yourself and your persecution complex. This blog has always leaned left. Where have you been?

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Leaning "Left" is fine, Dennis makes no attempt to hide it.  However, it's quite telling that it's some how important that this author is "Conservative" but it's not as important that Blagovich is a Democrat, and as much a leading "Liberal" as Palin is the opposite.

I think that the OP was correct in pointing out, "Your bias is showing."  It's like telling someone they have a little food on their face, or their fly is down. 

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I have no complex; just challenging a little. I understand, and it is evidenced here, that some people don't like to be challenged and there's nothing wrong with that. We need people of all types.

And, so you know, I've been over myself for quite some time now. So long, in fact, that I can't remember the last time I typed that phrase, "Get over yourself..." It's usually THOSE people that are stuck under themselves.

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"I know you are, but what am I?" Wow. Heavy stuff there, PeeWee.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Typical and predictabale.

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

/agree

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Duck Hunt made them do it!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

correction....

The dog from Duck Hunt made them do it...

heh heh

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

WIN

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings.

Remind me why the game players are the "nihilstic" ones again, you seem to downright look forward to the thought of people being killed to support your self-concocted theory.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

One thing the conservative author probably doesn't think about:

100% of these kills are done by someone who owns a gun.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Wait, so, you blame one inanimate object, in defense of another inanimate object (that you happen to enjoy using)?

Contradict much?

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Way to miss the point. Highlighting the fact that the man blames an inanimate object with no connection to the actual killing over the inanimate object used specifically for killing animals is why the editorial is a complete non-starter.

May as well blame automobile accidents on garages. Lots of people who drive cars park them in garages, after all!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

The idea that one can blame guns for this is just as false as saying you can blame video games.  It ignores the human being controlling both.  You car/garage example is silly, my point was that blaming a car for ALL auto accidents is like blaming video games for them.  Both are naive and childish line of thinking, and once again ignores the human driver.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife ...

I'm not blaming guns. I'm blaming gun owners.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

what about when the romans had animals (lions etc) shipped over to fight in amphitheatres?

did they do it because video games made them? wow. They were more technologically advanced than i thought.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

''I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game...''

 

what? just what.. this is baffling. there are barely any games i can recall, that teach you to randomly get up, go out, and shoot animals, and then walk way laughing....

And if there where.. um.. how exactly would that be particularly fun? Wouldnt it get dull repetitive and boring after ooh i dont know.. once?

 

 

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Scapegoats: They are not a endangered spicie... isn´t they?

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game..."

Yep...it's just at easy. What an Idiot. I wonder if he will start calling for a ban on all the Cabela hunting games.


"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."

Conservatives are mindless, as are the parents that spawned them. Man you can just flip this phrase around to anything you wish :D

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"Conservatives are mindless, as are the parents that spawned them. Man you can just flip this phrase around to anything you wish :D"

Hmmm, I could say that about Liberals as well since most of the time, they're the ones causing trouble, and trying to sell seats on Ebay.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Strike a nerve there did I? I was only trying to show the redundancy of a blanket statement like his. Yet you seem to have taken it too seriously and tried to flip my redundant comment to attack the liberals. Conservative, or Liberal they are both corrupt down to the root. No one side is clean and guilt free.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

That has nothing to do with his liberalism, all he is is a royally corrupt Chicago politician/asswipe

also there are lots of conservative politicians that are corrupt and one of them was our president for the past eight years; also Sarah Palin, aka Super Bush.

you cannot say that all liberals are mindless based on one guy that's like me saying that all conservatives are child molesters based on the actions of,

Scott Muschany  http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/08/blunt-kinder-call-on-muschany-to-resign/

Royce Fessenden  http://www.news-leader.com/article/20081022/NEWS01/810220515/1007/NEWS01 

Chris Ortloff  http://www.wptz.com/news/17711084/detail.html

and many others at http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

now you also cannot say all conservatives are mindless due to the guy that wrote the article being a dumbass

no steriotyping of any political party please not all liberals are corrupt not all conservatives are child molesters

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

As if hunting wasn't just legal "thrill killing."

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

It isn't.  It's a necessary sport.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation."

What about the "Nintendo generation" that comes to its 30's ? Or the "Atari generation" that comes to its 40 ?

 

"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."

Yeah, sure, Brain Training or Myst or the latest Super Mario are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.

Btw, speaking about "thrill killings", what about the numerous bloodsports involving animals through the centuries : even before dogfighting (hello Michael Vick !), there were Roman Circus, cockfighting, bull and bear baiting, etc... All these leisures were very popular among aristocrats until the 19th century. And horse fights are still practiced in China.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

So, according to this, JackyT's been getting it all wrong. We go from getting the skill by playing videogames, then perfecting said skill, on the wildlife, and then we shoot people, when we've gotten good enough?

What has this guy been smoking?

 - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

So let me get this straight. Because these wildlife "thrill kills" are being made by males age 15 - 22 (btw how do they know that?) therefore videogames are what's causing it?

WHAT!?!?! Evel Knievel couldn't have made that leap!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I think the Penny Arcade comic about that blogger's inflammatory Mass Effect remarks applies here.

M. Carusi

Capitol Gaming

http://capitolgaming.blogspot.com

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

If he's a super conservative, his opinion is immediately invalidated.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

. . . and we gamers call out people for being close-minded.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Wait a second. Back this up.

If I kill an animal outside of the legal, autumn hunting season and leave it there it's considered "thrill-killing" and therefore a fault of video games, but if I kill an animal within that season and don't leave it there it's perfectly fine and somehow totally different?

Okay, that makes perfect sense.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I hate hunting, so a video game can't even make me shoot something

 
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