Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill Kills"

December 11, 2008 -

Critics have blamed violent video games for a number of egregious behaviors over the years, from school shootings to attacks on homeless people to garden variety aggressiveness.

But an article on the American Spectator posits a new - and baffling - theory of game blame. Writing for the conservative website, author Bill Croke blames violent game fans for the illegal slaughtering of animals.

By way of makinghis case, Croke mentions a couple of research studies linking violent games to negative behavior and, in an impressive leap of faith, draws a link between games and the wanton killing of wildlife:

It's a sickeningly familiar story. Two moose shot and left to rot... Two yearling grizzly bears killed... An increasing wasted antelope body count... Senselessly murdered mule deer left on the ground... All this has nothing to do with the legal autumn hunting seasons... it's "thrill killing," as wildlife managers call it... It's actually a national problem.

According to studies extant, these wildlife atrocities are committed mostly by young men aged 15 to 22, the video game generation. Much has been written about the nihilistic violence that kids are exposed to when they play some of these games...

I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings.

Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.

UPDATE: Following up on GP's coverage, What They Play made a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library (Croke mentions watching teens play shoot-em-up games there in a portion of his column not cited by GP):

Interestingly, a call to the Salmon, Idaho Public Library revealed that they do not, in fact, carry video games which obviously casts some doubt over how thorough Croke has really been in his "research" for this piece. "We do not carry games, just books, DVDs, CDs, and books on tape," said the nice lady who answered the phone.


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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I hate hunting too. But as my mother told me years ago, those hunted in the wild have a much greater chance of surviving, than those animals that eventually become domesticated food. You know, BEEF. Cows, for an example are raised in capitivity untill the right age then are slaughthered and they become, hamburgers, steak, etc. They have no chances of survival, Even if one got out, either by accident, or PETA helps it, it will still die becuase, it has no idea how to survive in the wild.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."

Heh heh, awww, in't dat cyuuuute?

BUT IT'S WROOOOONG!!!

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

wasnt that off 2 Stupid Dogs?... your quote i mean.... man... i liked that show

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Well, I heard it in Tiny Toons. An angry teacher was making the students stay in past the end-class bell until someone got a math problem right. She would say that to some of the students making up answers (Elmyra for one).

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

His last line pretty much highlights his ignorance on the subject.  Really there isn't much for me to comment on it.  So instead I'm just gonna have a little fun. 

It's a "well-established fact" that video games = massive, psychotic genocide/homocide.  Don't believe me?  Here's a list of well-known historical figures and the games they played.

Hitler - Lemmings.  He liked to make them all fall into the lava pit.

Stalin - Starcraft.  He only expanded the USSR because he wanted to see the whole map and couldn't figure out how to turn off the fog of war.  While an avid player, he sucked at resource management.  Always went straight for nukes.

Jeffrey Dahmer - Cooking Mama.  Originally played it in Japanese.  Mistransled "beef" with "human".

Jack the Ripper - Trauma Center.  He thought he could put them back together afterwards.

Vlad the Impaler - Bejeweled.  It was rather impressive how he was able to group up so many Turks based on the color of their clothing.

Napoleon - Shadow of the Colossus.  Made him believe that even small men can change the world.

Caligula - Newgrounds Flash games.  Have you ever been to that site?  The crap on there would F you up too.

The Vikings - World of Warcraft.  They were just emulating the raids they did against Crossroads.  Evidence supports this by the following message that was found burned into the side of a monestary; "Lulz!!  We r in ur church, pillaging ur treasure.  U wish u were l33t like us, n00bs!!1!"

Can't you see that the evidence is plain as day?  Plain as day!!!!

 

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I did more research also.  I found something more intresting.

All communist countrys-Command & Conquer red alert series.  I found out Vladimir Lenin was an avid fans of Command & Conquer.  Same thing for Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Ho Chi Minh, and Pol Pot.  they all loved command & Conquer Red Alert.  I heard they try to build their own tanks and Airship resembling the one in the game.

Genghis Khan-Starcraft, Command & Conquer, Ages of Empire.  I found out that Khan wasn't a good leader from the beginning until those video games made him a leader.  It was found at Mongolia a fossilized video game software and old computer.

Ted bundy, Ed Gein, Charles Manson, Zodiac Killer, Green River Killer-Manhunt.  I was reading criminal laws textbook and I study serial killers.  the way these killers killed their victim was very much like the one in Manhunt 1 and 2.  The Green river Killer was thought to resemble James Earl Cash from the first game.  For the Zodiac Killer, Arthur Leigh Allen (the alleged killer) resembles Daniel Lamb from the second game and reported to play the game.  Charles Manson was reported to play that game every night and he alleged that he was the character and he sees everybody looking like people from the game and said "they're out to get me."

The Palestine-Israel conflict-blame it on Bladestorm: the 100 year wars and Counterstrike.  The Palestinian played the british side too much while the Israelis played the french sides in the game.  Suddenly, they all started to become like the real British and French and attack one another. They also were playing Counterstrike, when one of them lose, they will commit suicide bombing thinking this is a video game to them.  Oh to add that, I also blame textbooks teaching about the hundred years war because they're making palestinian and Israelis thinking they're the British and French.

the hundred years war and the second hundred years war (1689-1815)-CounterStrike, Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, and Battlefield: Bad Company and Modern Combats, Tom Clancy's Endwar, Ghost Recon, and Rainbow Six 

the British and the French play too much of those games and they started to think the world around them is a video game.  I heard before Oppenheimer and Einstein before they developed nuclear weapon, Britain and France were developing them also during the second hundred years. but failed to find the right materials.  I heard France was going to reenact the nuclear bomb scene in COD 4 and put it in London.  two of the country had their special forces.  The British had Phantom Scout (a British special forces created from Ghost Recon), and the French had 10-man team based on Rainbow Six.

That's enough evidence to prove that game was behind our history's greatest troubles. 

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

LOL, they are coming out of the woodwork. They must have heard the throne of stupid video game scaremonger was empty and so they are each throwing their hat in.

Here is the formula:

1. Take problem that has been happening for at least 100 years, like trophy hunting, joy riding, or robbing taxi drivers.

2. Cite a study which claims that this is done by young people, violent people, or socialy maladjusted people. Don't worry if you can't find one. You can make one up or cite one on the price of eggs, no one important ever pulls references.

3. Point out that either the aforementioned group play video games, or that video games can turn people into them.

4. Claim that video games are the definitive primary cause of the problem. Ignore any questions about such logic. If questions continue, reference your study (don't give details on study). If questions still continue, claim they are part of "teh conspiracy".

Re: Conservative Moron Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife

Writing mentally challenged columns is mindless, as are the people writing them who believe their own bullshit.

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Re: Conservative Moron Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife

*pops put of the wood work* I heard that! :P
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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

And there was me thinking it was people like Sarah Palin, who seems to encourage popping a cap up the ass of anything that walks on four legs...

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

To be fair, Palin is a legal game hunter.  'Thrill Killing' is illegal and not associated with actual hunting. 

We don't like it when folks make inaccurate and defaming comments about gaming, so let's stay on target here.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

""Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.""

JT's writing articles under a different name I see, oh, wait, he actually mentioned the parents, that can't be him.  Still, this guys just as stupid though.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Anyone eles getting sick of these stupid associations we get and attacks?

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"Video games are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them."

By that logic:

Sports are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.

TV shows are mindless, as are the parents who let their kids play them.

Columns like this are naive, ignorant and out of touch, as are the people who write them.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

That's racist by someones definition I wont name in the Muxlim comments section...

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Don't forget whats more in line with the tone of this article....

"Thanksgiving is mindless, as are the familes who gather together every year and celebrate with a festive turkey, more than likely killed by a video gamer."

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Well, firstly, this guy is (probably) citing a correlation study. As such, the study itself may be as much proof as we can get before actually confirming it with experiments (like smoking causes cancer; correlations say yes, but no experiments can be done to difinitively prove it), or it can be a long series of indirect influences (I believe on such correlation study such as this was that in areas where there were free abortion clinics, crime was lower). Correlation strudies are done to show links, that's it. A is linked to B. However, it's a matter of whether A causes B, or A can cause C, which can cause D, which can cause B.

I also love his bridging between the two. Because, you know, there's an obvious link between video games and thrill killing. And, of course, it's one of the worst crimes you can commit out there, in direct opposite to wanting polar bears off the endangered animals list so you can drill for oil.

In all seriousness, it is a waste, but still... This isn't A + B= C.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Well, I thought it was funny.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Careful, you're approaching Shadow D. Darkman levels of terrible posting.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Lulz-factor is now below -100%.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

glad I could ruin the lulz for everyone....at least it's not JT doing it

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

okay, you are now the master of the /facepalm as far as i'm concerned.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

oh yeah?

 

 

 

How do you like me now muthafucka!

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

You left one out. Photobucket

Re: Conservative Moron Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife

That's a lot of facepalm.

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Re: Conservative Moron Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife

I haven't seen that much facepalm since JT was on 60 minutes....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Can we say that the anti-videogames people have jumped the shark?

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Yes, yes they have

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Ummm..I am sorry but its the whole "me man me kill things/the lord gave us this land...to hunt...and rape" thing that lets people simply screw over wildlife..
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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Yes. I always get urges to grab my rifle, hike a mountain, spot a moose and shoot it after I play video games.

It's the strangest thing.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Ah to be the villian once again by my association with Pong, Mario, Banjo Kazooie, Sonic and Kaim Argonar. 

I hope oneday to ride a horse over a large bridge and go bag me a Collossus . . .

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"I think it might be an easy jump to get up from a computer game, go out and pull the trigger on an elk or a deer, and then walk away with a laugh. After all, it's only a game... Yet, I think our four-legged friends will get a break soon, as the video game-thrill killing trend graduates to a higher plane: human beings."

Moving a mouse and pulling a trigger are two very different things. Additionally, moving from randomly shooting animals in the forest to shooting people is not just a casual step up.

A few animals get shot and this guy labels an entire generation as mass murders who are now all out doing the trendy thing and shooting random wild life? It's just absurd and insulting.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I was a good kid once, I swear it!

After my regular beatings I used to hang out harmlessly by the gun store, smoking pot and trading needles, after which I’d return home to realize I have no true friends. Ah, it was a good life... That is, it WAS, until I picked up one of these so called Vidja games! Now, I can’t get by without drowning puppies or giving someone cancer… My life’s fallen into a downward spiral of villainy, EBIL and GTA incited moose killings!

Hopefully I’ll find solace with my fellow conservatives, like good ol’ moose killin’ Palin.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Hrmmmmmmmm considering this has been happening oh say for OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am willing to believe that video games were not quite involved on this one.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

So, what game were people playing when they forced the Dodo into extinction, or when they almost made the American Bison extinct? What about the thousands of years of thrill killing that has been going on. What video game were they playing?

I think we are starting to sound as much like broken records as these critics. When ever they blame some disgusting act on games, we bring up that these things have been going on long before video games. When will they learn?

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

it's obvious that Oregon Trail caused the extinction of the American Bison.  It taught our kids to hunt bison.  I don't know about the dodo though it's very possible that they played Wii Carnival Games and become overly happy and complacent.  They never suspected the humans would kill them......

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I don't know but I blame Turok for the extinction of dinosaurs.  but I'm glad we have cloning and Jurassic Park fantasies, that's mean we can bring out the species we killed because of us playing video game too much and taught to kill animal to the point of extinctions.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I want to know who these people are who are allowed to make these accusations, and what their education is...  This idiot's last article was titled Wicked Witch of the West.  You can tell he is just writing article to try to catch people's attention, and has no credibility.  I still want to know his level of education though.

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This guy must have never dealt with Wildlife Rangers because this has been going on since I was little (and I guess Im the game generation).  In fact one Wildlife Ranger showed some fellow students and I a dummy target they use to trap jerks that like to just take pot shots at animals off the side of roads ... but as we all know video games cause all the problems in the world I mean Vietnam caused by video games, WWI caused by video games, hell the Great Wall of China was built because of the threat of roaming video game players.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

 

Not only that:

when historians tried to find out why John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln and help the confederacy try to take over DC after the Civil War.  It was found that Booth played too much Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Gears of War, Uncharted; Drake's Fortune, and Quantum of Solace.  Here's the proof:

-They found copies of those game at his old houses.

-The way he past the guard, he kept taking cover behind the wall, zig zagging to one wall to another just like how 007 did it in Qunatum of Solace.  Also he knocked down several guards in the same way Solid Snake, Sam Fisher, and 007 from Quantum of Solace.  He took down a guard by breaking one leg and snap the guard neck.  Another guard was knockdown by getting push out of the balcony just before he reached Lincoln's booth.

-When Booth escaped, he took down guards by pulling off a takedown very much like the one in Quantum of Solace.

-When he try to get to get from windows to windows, it was very much similar to the one in Quantum of Solace.

-Booth was carrying both a gun and a knife, like Snake did.

-Booth was wearing a NVG much like Sam Fisher did.

-Booth always use shadow to hide from guards.

 

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Great line, but grey_poet still takes home the trophy.  Sorry. :)

And yes, all wars throughout history were caused by video games.  It's a well-established fact that Hitler was a DDR junkie.  And all of those Crusades the Catholic church started in the Middle Ages?

Starcraft.  It was all Starcraft's fault.

 

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

"the Great Wall of China was built because of the threat of roaming video game players."

lol, great line. made me laugh :P

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

I like how guys like this seem to think that if teens/young adults wern't playing video games, then they'd be sat at home discussing Nitzsch.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Wow.  I guess methheads really do exist -- and they write columns...

http://www.popularculturegaming.com

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

 

See this is what happen when writers takes ellicit drugs.  Boom, you get these kind of bullshit logics.  See I'm in EN102 in my college class and we learn about arguments and how to detect fallancies.  I talk to my English teachers if a writers like this person could be on drugs, she told me there were several scenarios where there are fallancies like this.  This logics this person wrote doesn't make sense.

 

What did we learn from this bullcrap writings.

 

illicit Drugs + writers=fallancies with bullshit logics.

 

Remember, don't ever let a writers mix up with drugs, they can create this stupid essays with too many fallancies.

Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Conservative writers do not take illicit drugs...

They take Oxycontin... which is basically the same as heroin, but legal...


Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Well at least they blame the parents as well. Which is something I guess.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

Indeed... obviously I can't give him full credit, but it's a start.

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Re: Conservative Author Blames Video Games for Wildlife "Thrill

  So no one ever killed animals just to kill them before video games? No one ever illegally hunted before? Bollocks.

  Are we blaming GTA for this, or would this be the fault of games like "Cabela's Dangerous Hunts"?

  Dismissing all video games as mindless shows the author's true ignorance of the subject.

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