Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

December 30, 2008 -

Is God behind the recent plunge of Take-Two Interactive's stock price?

When it comes to business, should one's religious beliefs even matter?

For the controversial, disbarred attorney Jack Thompson, the answer to these questions would seem to be yes.

On Friday, GamePolitics reported on Thompson's claim that he planned to lead a stockholder revolt aimed at ousting Take-Two chairman Strauss Zelnick.

While Thompson says that he wants to hold Zelnick accountable for T2's tumbling share price, his comments must be weighed in light of the disbarred attorney's oft-expressed distaste for Take-Two and its chairman.

As to the would-be shareholder revolt, it brought to mind a recent e-mail exchange between GP and  Thompson which may shed some light on the anti-game activist's apparent belief that divine retribution of the Christian deity is behind Take-Two's depressed stock price. Those e-mails follow:

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:44 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Spin this, Strauss...


GOD STRIKES TAKE-TWO DOWN

Take-Two dropped $2.35 to $9.72 in extended trading after the announcement and fell as low as $9.60. The shares... have declined 35 percent this year. The results contrast with comments Zelnick made in an interview on Nov. 3, when he said sales of the company’s video games hadn’t been hurt by the recession...

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: Spin this, Strauss...


So, if T2’s business reverse was God’s vengeance, does that mean that God struck you down too when you were disbarred?...

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:10 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: Spin this, Strauss...


...If you had any understanding of the Bible and of God you would understand that persecution comes Christians' way, and we are blessed by it.  There is no blessing for Zelnick, who is not a Christian, when he gets what he deserves...

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: in relation to your Take-Two shareholder revolt...


...Are you saying that problems for Christians are blessings, while problems for non-Christians are vengeance from the Almighty? Also, how do you know what Zelnick’s religion is?

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:11 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: in relation to your Take-Two shareholder revolt...


Here's another passage of Scripture that you don't understand and never read:  "All things work to the good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose."  That group would include me and not Zelnick.  Zelnick is not a believer in the Gospel.  How do I know?  Because the man who got us together [secretly, in Manhattan in 2007] is a Christian, with a massive ministry in Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry.  It was because of the spiritual aspect of this struggle that he got the two of us together, and Zelnick failed the test. 

If you knew anything about the Gospel, you would understand further that Paul, whose writings are considered part of the canon, tells Christians, not unbelievers, that we are to "count it all joy" when trials and tribulations come our way. 

I have been persecuted for my faith, not because I did anything wrong, by those committed to evil.  Glad to clear it up for you.  And as it now stands, Mr. Zelnick's problems at Take-Two are minuscule [sic] compared to the eternity of punishment that is coming his way unless he repents and accepts Christ as I did 32 years ago this month.  You might do well to read the Gospel of John yourself.  Come to think of it, I'll write Strauss about all this and send you a copy...

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Thompson did not respond to GP's request to name the man who supposedly brokered the 2007 meeting with Zelnick. The letter to Zelnick which Thompson mentions can be viewed here.

GP: Serious consideration was given as to whether to publish this story as I realize that some will  find Thompson's comments about non-Christians offensive. Ultimately, in deciding to publish, the opportunity to provide an insight into Thompson's mindset outweighed the other issues.


Comments

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Message to Jack: Vince McMahon already did a crappy storyline about him suing God, so your blame of God is nothing new. Besides, your share is pretty much worthless either way.

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When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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Actually, Vince wrestled against God, so Jack can still sue him if he wants.


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The only thing I can say to Jack Thompson is **** you! This guy is just a useless waste of space.

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GP: Serious consideration was given as to whether to publish this story as I realize that some will  find Thompson's comments about non-Christians offensive. Ultimately, in deciding to publish, the opportunity to provide an insight into Thompson's mindset outweighed the other issues.

Honestly, I find his comments about Christians far more offensive.  He is not a true Christian.  If he were, he would not act the way he does.

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Seriously, as a Christian I can't STAND the way he feels the need to "represent" us. "God smites the non-believers!" is a claim centuries old, but "God smites us and we love it"? There is a degree of living with persecution (see: Beatitudes), but his words are extreme perversion of that concept.

It's pretty ironic to hear "we're blessed by persecution" coming from a guy who's known for shouting "help help I'm being repressed!" and filing lawsuits over every little thing.

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why doens't JT comment here anymore?  is he IP banned or something.  His commentery is a great stress reliever for me, nothing better to get back after a long tiring day to laugh my butt off at his immaturity.

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"I have been persecuted for my faith, not because I did anything wrong, by those committed to evil."

So hang on, let me get this straight.  When Godfearing Christians receive negative repercussions, it can't possibly be because they did something wrong.  It must be that evildoers have targeted them in some kind of diabolical plot.  Plus, negative repercussions are a happy gift from God anyway?  So truly bad things can't possibly happen to Christians then.

So that must mean that Godfearing Christians can do all sorts of crimes and as long as they believe  themselves to be Godly, they're blameless and being sent to prison for murder or rape is the result of Satan's power, or it's a happy gift from God's goodness.

Where do I sign up for this Born Again Christianity thing?  'Cos when I'm really old, at death's door, and when the threat of a long prison term loses its sting, I really might fancy committing a few juicy (and guilt-free) murders.  Heck, under those rules even mass murder starts to sound good.  I'm not too keen on the French, and one time this Austrian guy looked at me in a funny way.

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Bear in mind also that Jack almost certainly suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and as an article I read recently pointed out, many Narcissists are extremely religous as that kind of thinking is almost totally in sync with their own mindset.

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Exactly.  They think that they are somehow exempt from normal behavior and manners because they pretend to talk to an invisible man in the coulds.  It makes them no different from Islamic terrorists who blow themselves up in civilian areas because they are doing "God's bidding".

Yup.....

He's offically gone off the deep end.

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You know, my own personal feeling is that Thompson desperately wants for their to be some kind of conspiracy, I suspect that by now he sees either Homosexuals or Gamers behind every single problem in his life.

I think that if he wandered into the road and nearly got hit by a car, he wouldn't think 'Maybe I should have looked before I walked out', he genuinely would have thought 'I bet that was a gamer or a gay trying to kill me!', he really is that paranoid.

 

I don't think it's so much about 'stopping evil' as 'being important' in Thompsons' mind, he know how insignificant he's become in the larger picture, and it frustrates the hell out of him.

How much, I wonder, is Thompson really losing his mind, and how much is just a show for attention, he's so far managed to get 2 stories on a well-read Politics site without having to physically raise a finger, just by being a goofball. It might make him look an idiot, but at least people are looking. To Thompson, I suspect the attention is more important than the opinion.

As has been said before, the best way to deal with the spite and venom of people like Thompson is to treat hm as exactly what he is, a screaming, impotent, petulant child who wants attention and is prepared to make a scene in order to get it. Let him scream and don't give him the attention he lusts, he only creates controversy because controversy sells.

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Jack has just illustrated here the most insuffrable thing I find about Christians.  I don't mind if they choose to live their lives as they see fit as long as they don't try to impose their lifestyle or morality on mine.  And when I get into a discussion or an argument with them about why they think my own lifestyle is "wrong" and when I ask them for justifcation, they go into automatic pilot mode and start quoting chapter and verse from the Bible, which only shows me that they are incapable of thinking for themselves and instead have to quote from a book whose veracity is at best dubious.  And they do it that smug self-assured, condescending and self-rightousnes tone that I just want to sock them one.  I realize it's only a certain sect and a small minority that really do that, but as others say, they shout the loudest and they ruin it for everyone else.

"Never justify anything.  If it needs justification, it's already wrong."  -Solomon Short

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So if someone asked you why they should rape, murder or steal, you would make up some justification on the spot rather than reference a law book?

That is what you are expecting Christians to do. Why would you expect them to make a justification for you when the Bible spells it out well enough for them?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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It's not what they do that I have the issue with Zach, so much as how they do it.  If they didn't come across as so morally superior when they do that, then I'd be willing to cut them some more slack.  It just seems to me that when they start doing it, it's like they're sticking  their fingers in their ears and shouting, "I'm not listening!  LA-LA-LA-LA!"  Like they'll cut off any intellgent rebuttals you might make so they can preserve their own moral absolutism.  Jack kind of does the same thing, either by not aswering the question at all, switching the subject to something totally irrelevant, or falling back on Bible quotes.

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In that case, good. It just seemed like you meant otherwise. I have no problem with getting people to explain themselves and justify their position. But if they are just using the scripture verses to basically disregard your questions or to act high and mighty, I will side with you.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

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Thank you.  And sorry for any misunderstandings.  I knew you were a Christian from your earlier posts and I have a couple other friends who are also Christians, and like you they absolutley HATE what JT does as they know it makes them look bad.  It wasn't intended as a slight against you or them.  It just drives me nuts how some can use it to jusify their own hatred and reinforce their own ignorance when they should be spreading love and forgiveness instead.

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Right there with you, manta.  I was stuck at DMV two weeks ago and this born-again Christian sat next to me and started grilling me about my life.  He proceeded to pick my life apart and show me how my agnostic ways were preventing me from reaching my potential.  So, I started asking HIM questions, and the answers were all the same: "It's God's plan."

Why do people get away with murder?

Why do innocents die?

Why are there so many believers suffering in poverty and destitution?

Etc, etc, etc...

So yeah, I totally feel you on the whole high-horse thing.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

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A while back, PA made a wonderful point: Jack Thompson is a blessing. Cuz, imagin if a bright, intelligent, charismatic man took up the anti-videogame fight. We'd be screwed... instead we get this nut-ball lunatic. And he never had a chance.

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@GP: It's pure speculation on my part, but there's some possiblity that the mysterious meet-broker whom Jack-O will not disclose is Lloyd John Ogilvie. Ogilvie was the pastor of Hollywood Presbyterian, one of, if not the, largest Presbyterian Churches in the world. Jack-O is Presbyterian. Ogilvie grew up in the Kenosha, Wisconsin, area. Someone in Jack-O's household is also from the Kenosha area. Jack-O, the person in Jack-O's household with the Wisconsin roots, and Ogilvie are not too far removed in age from each other. Ogilvie is a major player with both Hollywood and Capitol Hill connections (he was the Hill Chaplain for a while) and he and Zelnick are members of the same speakers bureau, All American Speakers. All this may amount to nothing more than a hill o' beans . . . but that's no reason for me not to speculate.

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Interesting, JDKJ...

But I thought that JT grew up in Ohio?

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Ugh... Don't remind me...

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@GP: Well, trurth be told, he never, ever grew up. Maybe chronologically, but certainly not in terms of his mental development. He's just "from" Ohio. Cleveland, to be precise. But his wife, Patricia Thompson, nee Halverson, is from Wisconsin. A Cheesehead (You opened the door. I was trying to be discreet).

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I gots mad investigative skills. Ya'll hiring? Have shovel, will dig.

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*Hands JDKJ a shovel and points at a grave marked "Jack Thompson's humanity"* Go get it big boy.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Whatever you do don't mistake it for the grave next to it *Jack Thompson's career*

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Holy hell.  Thompson has always been a douche, but I've never thought he was as bad as, say, the Westborough Baptists.  You know, those guys that laugh as tidal waves kill houndreds of thousands of people and claim it's God's wrath.  Or go to the funerals of soldiers and hold protest rallies in front of the grieving families, sneering that the soldier deserved to die and isn't getting into heaven.

Seriously, Thompson?  You're this bad, now?  Invoking the wrath of God with glee at those you happen to not like?  That's about the most UNChristian-like thing you can do.

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I don't think he's gotten that bad but he's certainly getting there at least in terms of logic (err a little bit).

In an interview one of the WBC crazies said (paraphrasing), 'Jesus said those who preached for him would be hated, and since we're hated a lot we must be doing it right'.

Ignoring for a second the horrendous logic, I wouldn't be surprised if JT thought something similar.

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To all the Christians who are offended by the lack of reverance to your faith:

There is a lot of anger directed at Christianity because of the horrible things that have been done in the name of your faith.  There are many bad people out there who use your faith to justify their actions and words: Jack Thompson, Pat Robertson, and Fred Phelps for instance. 

Their attempts to force their faith on others and impose Christian "values" onto the laws and governments that affect everyone pisses people off.  Trying to destroy modern science and pretend the world is only 1000's of years old pisses people off.  The hatred they have for homosexuals pisses people off.  Their attempts to ban anything they deem "Un-Christian" like games, Harry Potter, D&D, etc pisses us off.  Their attempts to dominate our sex lives and the rights of women (abortion) pisses us off. 

The anger felt toward Christianity has valid roots.  And again, its time for the "moderate" Christains to retake control of their faith and start putting the lunatics to the fringes where they belong.  Too many extremists have too much influence on your faith.

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And Columbine proved that all gamers are murderous lunatics...

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Careful you don't hurt yourself, as that's quite a point you got there.

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 Actually, its along the lines of "Guns kill people", which is more a definition of the tools function than a revelation.

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Most of us don't have anything to do with the lunatics. They just shout the loudest and get all the TV time.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

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That's the point he's trying to make, and I happen to agree with him.  You've got too many looney toons out there making life tough for the rest of you.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

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Hey Jack....

"That group would include me and not Zelnick.  Zelnick is not a believer in the Gospel.  How do I know?"

You forgot about something...

Matthew 7

 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Don't pick and choose your passages Jack. You are - afterall; a lawyer. Or were, at least. Oh, but maybe I shouldn't make judgemental assumptions, huh?

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Don't quote fiction to make a point, its almost as pretentious as quoting dead authors.

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There you go again.  You complain about Christians having faith in God, yet you're willing to denounce the entire thing as fictional without a shred of proof.  I'm not saying you have to believe, but by your own logic, shouldn't you at least concede that if you don't have any proof that God doesn't exist, there exists at least a small chance that he does?

(FYI, I'm not Christian.  I capitolize God because it's grammatically correct to do so.)

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 Middle Eastern Goat Herders from 2000 years ago, filtered through a few centuries of word-of-mouth story telling before being translated into Greek leaves me somewhat skeptical. And its not grammatically correct to capitalize god in the middle of sentence, its an idea, not a person.

Otherwise I Should Just Capitlize Everything In The Sentence In the Off Chance That It May Vaguely Be Referring To A Fictional Entity.

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There's a difference between skepticism and dismissal.  By referring to God as fictional, you are saying that you believe there is absolutely no chance that there is a God.  Since you have no proof of this, you're showing just as much blind faith as the people who say there IS a God without any proof.

And God is a proper noun, therefore, it gets a capital G.

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When a person asserts the exsistence of something, the burden of proof is there's, so as to prevent someone from doing something like claiming dragons are real unless proved otherwise; there is no evidence to support their exsistence, but no evidence to prove they don't other than the assertion's lack of proof.

It is normally held that due to the supernatural abilities of "God", it could conceal itself perfectly, or defy the laws of science and reason, and is therefore not provable nor disprovable in the arena of science. There are also questions of what could be considered proof of a mythical deity's exsistence, as some people would consider life alone as proof, although life alone proves nothing but life alone, so would say one who chooses not to believe in a higher power. Then of course there's the question of how to define god, is it defined by it's power or it's supposed omnibenevolence, yatta yatta yatta...

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Ah, but when someone asserts that something doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on them.  If I want to disprove a theory, I need to prove that it doesn't work.  There is evidence, sketchy as it may be, that God exists, mostly in the form of various eye-witness accounts transcribed in the Bible.  I'm agnostic, so I'm certainly not suggesting that anything in there is solid proof.  There's no actual evidence to suggest that God doesn't exist.

Aitheists don't bother me.  It's a belief that's just as valid as any other.  Militant aitheists bother me, though, again, just like any militant theist.  Derovius seems to believe that there's a zero percent chance that God exists.  Anyone who truly believed in (and understood) science would agree that the odds of a truth never reach an absolute, be it 0 or 100 percent.  I'm reasonably sure that if I let go of a ball, it will fall down, but I can't be 100% certain even of this simple fact.

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And quoting fiction and dead authors is ALMOST as pretentious as quoting philosophers.

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 Because people who try and think about the nature of existance are the devil right? Save your song and dance, I know it all too well.

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Ok, we get it, you don't believe in God and you hate religous people. Stop trolling.

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And your "I'm an athiest and therefore I'm better than all of you" crap isn't?

Seriously, do you have anything better to do in this post than make snarky comments to attempt to enlarge your e-peen?

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Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

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No, no, I'm not new to the internet at all (plus I'm involved in fandom, so I have lots of experience with e-peen abuse), but I've never seen it THIS bad before.

 

I mean, there's trolling, and then there's TROLLING.

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"Burn the witch!"

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*Hangs up a pentacle*

Touchy subject there for some of us.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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He is merely proving Jack's arguement (which is based on the bible) contradicts actual passages from the basis of his arguement. Quite well done in my opinion. Whether that is fiction or not, that is in the eye of the beholder...

 
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