Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

December 30, 2008 -

Is God behind the recent plunge of Take-Two Interactive's stock price?

When it comes to business, should one's religious beliefs even matter?

For the controversial, disbarred attorney Jack Thompson, the answer to these questions would seem to be yes.

On Friday, GamePolitics reported on Thompson's claim that he planned to lead a stockholder revolt aimed at ousting Take-Two chairman Strauss Zelnick.

While Thompson says that he wants to hold Zelnick accountable for T2's tumbling share price, his comments must be weighed in light of the disbarred attorney's oft-expressed distaste for Take-Two and its chairman.

As to the would-be shareholder revolt, it brought to mind a recent e-mail exchange between GP and  Thompson which may shed some light on the anti-game activist's apparent belief that divine retribution of the Christian deity is behind Take-Two's depressed stock price. Those e-mails follow:

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:44 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Spin this, Strauss...


GOD STRIKES TAKE-TWO DOWN

Take-Two dropped $2.35 to $9.72 in extended trading after the announcement and fell as low as $9.60. The shares... have declined 35 percent this year. The results contrast with comments Zelnick made in an interview on Nov. 3, when he said sales of the company’s video games hadn’t been hurt by the recession...

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: Spin this, Strauss...


So, if T2’s business reverse was God’s vengeance, does that mean that God struck you down too when you were disbarred?...

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:10 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: Spin this, Strauss...


...If you had any understanding of the Bible and of God you would understand that persecution comes Christians' way, and we are blessed by it.  There is no blessing for Zelnick, who is not a Christian, when he gets what he deserves...

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: in relation to your Take-Two shareholder revolt...


...Are you saying that problems for Christians are blessings, while problems for non-Christians are vengeance from the Almighty? Also, how do you know what Zelnick’s religion is?

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:11 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: in relation to your Take-Two shareholder revolt...


Here's another passage of Scripture that you don't understand and never read:  "All things work to the good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose."  That group would include me and not Zelnick.  Zelnick is not a believer in the Gospel.  How do I know?  Because the man who got us together [secretly, in Manhattan in 2007] is a Christian, with a massive ministry in Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry.  It was because of the spiritual aspect of this struggle that he got the two of us together, and Zelnick failed the test. 

If you knew anything about the Gospel, you would understand further that Paul, whose writings are considered part of the canon, tells Christians, not unbelievers, that we are to "count it all joy" when trials and tribulations come our way. 

I have been persecuted for my faith, not because I did anything wrong, by those committed to evil.  Glad to clear it up for you.  And as it now stands, Mr. Zelnick's problems at Take-Two are minuscule [sic] compared to the eternity of punishment that is coming his way unless he repents and accepts Christ as I did 32 years ago this month.  You might do well to read the Gospel of John yourself.  Come to think of it, I'll write Strauss about all this and send you a copy...

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Thompson did not respond to GP's request to name the man who supposedly brokered the 2007 meeting with Zelnick. The letter to Zelnick which Thompson mentions can be viewed here.

GP: Serious consideration was given as to whether to publish this story as I realize that some will  find Thompson's comments about non-Christians offensive. Ultimately, in deciding to publish, the opportunity to provide an insight into Thompson's mindset outweighed the other issues.


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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

If God was behind the fall of Take Two Stock, then God must be responsible for Jack Thompson's downfall because, last I checked, God was a nice and forgiving entity. He doesn't approve a lot of things, and that includes the ex lawyer's harrassing tactics. Better yet, you could say God and Karma tag teamed the man and watched him cause his own downfall.

In the end, though, no one can really know because, y'know, to me? We're all part of the plan. God's plan. If God wanted the stocks to fall, there was a bigger purpose behind it. If someone lost their job due to their own incompetence, maybe God wanted them to learn from thier mistakes. God, to me, helps us learn from our mistakes and, perhaps, lead us in a direction to make ourselves better. God doesn't control everything, he just helps us see what is there and we, as people, decided what to do and what to learn.

... and, those who refuse to learn are doomed to repeat them.

That goes to show that Jack Thompson didn't learn jack shit.

(This is as religious as I get, for I keep my beliefs out the door. Good ol' Mom, teaching me this. Forgive me!)

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

I love the infinity of religion.  Einstein was almost right, but the universe isn't infinite in size, but in growth given current scientific understanding, m-brane theory may change that too.  Human incompetence is it's own matter.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

An' you don't need to be religious to figure that one out! Amen, DeepThorn. Amen!

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Dennis said:

"So, if T2’s business reverse was God’s vengeance, does that mean that God struck you down too when you were disbarred?..."

I loved the comeback. :D

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Yeah, when I first saw that "Thompson sez God made stocks fall" remark, I immediately thought, "No, Jack, God didn't make those stocks fall; he did get you disbarred."

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

I cackled at that one. GP for the win.

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Thompson is right. He is just a little biased against T2 in particular.

You see, God isnt only behind the slide of T2 stock. God has unleashed the Angel of Death upon the global market. Its common knowledge that God hates capitalism. He's an anarchist. Duh.

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I think JT picked the wrong religion and pissed off God, and so he got disbarred.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Actually, No. Scripturally speaking, God loves those that follow him and blesses them with wealth, success, prosperity, etc. It is when they love that Wealth etc more than God that they are punished with the loss of said wealth and prosperity.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 You know how you spot a christian? They always capitalize the word "God", as if he is reading the internets and deciding who to put on his naughty list for not making him a person, place, thing or idea.

 People who talk to imaginary friends alone are deemed crazy, groups of people who talk to the same imaginary friend are deemed religious. I wonder, if people raped/murdered/stole in a group if it would any more acceptable.

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What is wrong with capitalizing the word God? It is his title. It may not be his actual name, but it is still a title. There is a difference between referencing the generic term god when discussing the concept of divine beings and referencing a specific one. Just as their is a difference when referencing the the generic term doctor when discussing the profession and referencing a specific doctor.

It is a matter of respect that Christian show. So why does it bother you so?

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 "He" does not exist, so there is no need for "he" to have a title, correct? We might as well go around capitalizing everything, as at one point or another someone, somewhere, will project human social norms and emotions on it.

 i.e. "That tree looks so sad with its drooping leaves"

 Attempting to purport your shortsighted "faith" in something that doesn't exist by referring to it as a person is foolish.

 

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 "Doctor House" doesn't exist either, but it's still proper to capitalize his title and name even if you know that

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God can be spelled as God or god depending on understanding, belief or laziness.  This is due to the numerous number of gods in ancient religions that makes god not only a name but also a title such as graphic designer or physicist.  When we start capitalizing career titles, more non-believers will start capitalizing it as God instead of god. 

If the person understands of it as a title instead of a name, then it is god in any situation even as your god or my god.  If the person understands it as the name, then it would be God.

I would feel very weird typing, "Megan Fox is one hell of a hot Actress."  Though Microsoft Word grammar check doesnt dispute it for me, so maybe...  I claim that god has no name though, or that we are not told his original name ever because it does not matter, though according to Christians Jesus is his Earth name.  Now saying jesus would be disrespectful and incorrect, because that is definitely a name, though lord and god are titles which do not require capitalization, but it is typically done as so in respect.  I do capitalize Microsoft Word though, so I guess that is disrespectful in a way, but it just depends on the understanding of the use.

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 Well this could get rather debatable...

Thing is "doctor" is only capitalized when referring to someone by name, "Doctor Stephen" or something like that while it's not capitalized when using it in general. HOW you used the word dictates whether it is capitalized or not... 

"Doctor" is used much in the same way as "Lord", "Lady", "Sir", "Duke" and so forth (all of which also evade MS grammer check)... If you are wiring about someone who has been knighted you refer to them as "Sir [name]", but if you are just talking in a formal manner to refer to a man in front of you it's just "sir".... similarly, if you refer to duke in general their would there would be no capitalization, but refer to a particular duke by name and it's proper to capitalize the "duke" 

The way it seems most career names such as "actress" and "designer" are not seen as titles in the same manner as "Doctor", "King", "President", "Professor" and so forth (again avoiding MS grammer checks)... you could say that a "psychologist" is considered just a job and not a title, while the term "Doctor" is both a job and a title, hence why one is normally capitalized and the other is not... in fact, when referring to psychologist by title you refer to him as "Doctor"; his job is being a psychologist but his proper title is Doctor 

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In the end, it really doesn't matter.  It is a dated system, like our education system, and just a status thing for the ego driven IMO. [Many doctors like to think they are God...]  It is like, woo hoo, you spent 8 years in college "learning" about art, so you are a doctor now since you have a phd. 

It used to be a title where people saved lives or made great achievements, but now we have plastic surgeons, and I would not say they are doing anything important other than the ones doing reconstructive surgery to those injured.  Of course I don't like big tits, so I wouldn't think there is something important to it.  In your examples, they were titles of importants due to services, other than Lady for the more recent terms which was more like Mr. Miss. or Mrs.  I think Mr. and Mrs. is all we really need title wise.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 Plastic surgery was born out of the need to give back dignity to terrible disfigured people. Simply because its officers have sold themselves out to the vanity of others does not debase its honorable beginnings.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 The title of Doctor is not House's alone, there are legitimate incarnations of said professionals. Such is why I did not go off on a diatribe about you capitalizing Jesus, given that this is the alias the jewish prophet used. From what I understand, historical records back up the notion that there was a cultist matching his description and actions around the time in question.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 I can make up a title right on the spot, one that isn't used in real life, and apply it to a fictional character and it would still be proper to capitalize the title when writing it... 

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 I can also run naked through the streets, doesn't mean its within the rules to do so.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Personally I find it ineresting that there is nothing so dogmatic as an atheist like yourself.

You are dogmaticly certain that there is no God so you lash out at anything that states an opinion to the contrary.

You are dogmaticly certain that anyone who professes faith is somehow a non-intellectual, despite many people, like E.Z.K>, who show the very clear ability to reason.

You maintain with dogmatic certainty that everyone else is wrong and only you are right, yet make the accusation that it is the believer who is narrow minded.

You lambast the believer with your professed dogma that they are intolerant and should not believe as they do, showing yourself to be woefully intolerant yourself.

Just an observation, but you may wish to think about your own dogma before you seek to condem those who have one different than your own. If you do actually think about it that is.

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It isnt that they are stupid, it is that they have flawed logic.  I think we all agree that Jack has flawed logic, and that he is definitely smart, you have to be to even try to begin to explain his flawed logic, but we would say he is stupid because of his flawed logic. 

It just does not compute.  It is much like 0.3 with 3 remaining (which is 1/3) plus 0.6 with 6 remaining (which is 2/3), it equals 0.9 with 9 remaining and 1.  So does 0.9 with 9 remaining exist? or is it really 1.

[I do not know why my brain loves this little thing, but it seems to be something I always revisit ever few years.]

The believers closed off to fully questioning their religion to the point that they say that the Noah flood story and the Sumerian flood story are not the same, or that many other stories in the bible were not taken from else where I would say were narrow minded.  Then the reality that man has so distorted religion in a way even from the gathering of stories for the new and testament, that it is illogical to follow any religion, especially based off of Christianity.  I would follow the Jewish belief before the Christian belief any day, but still I would poke and prod it to find every hole I can to try to figure out where truths lye and lies lye.

I just want science to dig into religion for science to prove the truths and falsehoods of religion because of the extremist groups, mainly Pentecostals in my experience, that so strongly believe in such things as a global flood, 6000 year old universe, and dispute evolution.  Then the governments to deal with Scientology, and societies to deal with violence, local and terrorist.

As the same time, there are idiots out there that still think the Earth is flat.  So I guess morons will always exist even with scientific proof, but at least scientific proof of things destroys their numbers.  I don't care as much about other Christian groups that stay the hell out of the way of scientific research.  They can go on their happy way, but for the dweebs that hinder research and our education system, by getting it to teach intelligent design instead of evolution. There is real scientific evidence that proves evolution but not intelligent design, and those people make be blow my top because of the waste in time of proving research to the dumbest of people, with their stupid flawed logic, like the people who believe that Earth is flat.

In the end, isn't flawed logic the same as non-intelligent?  Because that flawed logic affects the inner workings of their entire understanding of everything, and understanding is what intelligence is, isn't it?  In the end, I claim that we all have flawed logic, but to different degrees, and that we are all non-intelligent, and that science will eventually pull the people who have slightly flawed logic closer with even less flawed logic, while having them outcast people with extremely flawed logic, because it isn't worth our time to try to rationalize things to them. 

Just like why a more intelligent species wouldn't deal with us because we are so far intellectually beneath them, we wouldn't deal with teaching ants what we know.  I think the human race may one day separate between the ignorant with flawed logic and the more intellectually superior with far less flawed logic.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 No, I said there is no proof in a god like deity, in any of the numerous places humanity has poked and proded in its lengthy travel to becoming the most technologically advance animal on this planet. What I'm doing is telling you believing in an unverifiable (purposely?) concept makes you look like a fool.

 Reasoning is not necessarily a key component of intelligence. My dog knows that if I put her favourite toy in the toy basket, and than place the basket ontop of her cage, that the toy is still in said basket. She reasons is continued existance even though she cannot verify its existance without pulling said toy basket down. By your logic, my dog is as smart as E.Z.K.

 I maintain that concepts without proof, or rather, concepts which require no proof to be accepted, are deterimental to ones ability to act as intelligent beings. If there is anything preventing our species from obtaining higher scientific heights sooner it is this nonsensical superstition and baseless faith system. It had its place back when you were as likely to get an axe to the face walking to buy bread as reach the ripe old age of 30. Just like the idea that the earth is not flat, its time to correct yourselves.

 Ignorance is intolerable, especially in a day and age where all people in our society are given the gift of an education. People had an excuse to be stupid 300 years ago, only a handful of them were given a proper education. There is no excuse for this nonsense to continue.

 You continuously use the dogmatic concept as if this is some sort of belief structure in and of itself. I have no faith in science, whenever I disagree with a theory I am fully capable of recreating the results and proving to myself its validity. Try doing the same with your religion.

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It shouldn't matter to you so much. I'm a Christian, and I will continute to whorship and believe in God because it makes me happy.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 As I stated previously, simple amusement for simple minds.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Simple amusement like petty insults?

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

As I thought of stating previously, you're an asshole.


If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

He does not sound like one to me.

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Amen to that.

Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

That he is. TROLL ALERT!!!

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

 Holy shit, a reply without facepalm. By the way, that Amy person is looking for you.

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Know why he's facepalming? Because of people's stupidity, such as yourself.

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Re: Thompson: God is Behind Take-Two Stock Slide

Yet you show your own ignorance and intolerance by your very response.

You're just as dogmatic as the people you're attempting to revile. The difference is that you believe in nothing while even people of faiths not my own believe in something.

Faith does not equate to a lack of intellect, that's a rather pathetic strawman that's so overused as to be ridiculous at this point. Another mistake you make is in equating education to intelligence when the two can be mutually exclusive. You can take an unintelligent person and fill their head with all the education one can afford and they'd still be unintelligent.

You demand ireffutable proof of the existence of God, yet you've closed your to even the possibility that you might be wrong. A fool demanding proof of his foolishness as it were. Even if someone were to bring forth the evidence you demand you would refute it out of hand because you cling to your dogma as if it were the only answer worth considering for an intelligent man. When in truth an intelligent man listens and is willing to at least hear out those who disagree. Things that you have shown that you're unwilling to do.

The human intellect is an interesting thing. The most interesting thing about it is the sheer lack of humanity that is born of it's worship.

What is intollerable is your attitude, born of your own ignorance and prejudice. You act with smug superiority when you truly have no answers of your own, save to naysay anyone who disagrees with you.

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"Yet you show your own ignorance and intolerance by your very response."

 I am ever so eager for you to correct me.

"You're just as dogmatic as the people you're attempting to revile. The difference is that you believe in nothing while even people of faiths not my own believe in something."

 So you're saying that to question ones existance and reality is as bad as living as an emotional and financial slave to these religions. Ah, good sir, you make me smirk. Thank you.

"Faith does not equate to a lack of intellect, that's a rather pathetic strawman that's so overused as to be ridiculous at this point. Another mistake you make is in equating education to intelligence when the two can be mutually exclusive. You can take an unintelligent person and fill their head with all the education one can afford and they'd still be unintelligent."

 Perhaps you need to realign yourself with the definition of faith. To take something regardless of its backing is a very unintelligent response to a problem. As for your comments on intelligence, I direct you to the first sentence of this paragraph, simply applied to the word intelligence this time. You seem terribly confused by their meanings.

"You demand ireffutable proof of the existence of God, yet you've closed your to even the possibility that you might be wrong. A fool demanding proof of his foolishness as it were. Even if someone were to bring forth the evidence you demand you would refute it out of hand because you cling to your dogma as if it were the only answer worth considering for an intelligent man. When in truth an intelligent man listens and is willing to at least hear out those who disagree. Things that you have shown that you're unwilling to do."

 I could very well be wrong, there is no evidence to that effect however. Therefore my position is that I am not wrong, until such evidence arrives. You howeevr come to the table and tell me that I am wrong for not accepting something as truth until its disproven. Gullible is the word I think I shall use for this specific stance you have taken. Indeed I have a bridge in my back pocket for you.

"The human intellect is an interesting thing. The most interesting thing about it is the sheer lack of humanity that is born of it's worship."

 So you to try and argue that without religion the world would devolve into mindless chaos. They certainly have you trained well, sir.

"What is intollerable is your attitude, born of your own ignorance and prejudice. You act with smug superiority when you truly have no answers of your own, save to naysay anyone who disagrees with you."

 Wonderful irony, the people who tied women to wooden stacks, splashed them with petroleum and set them on fire are calling me ignorance and full of prejudice. You have no ground to look down upon me, you people have been the scourge of reason and enlightenment since the Dark Ages.

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The problem with your argument is it's inherrant fallacy and utter lack of capacity or room to reason.

"I demand proof that I am wrong" goes your argument. The problem is that whenever anyone uses this particular argument they have no intention of being proven wrong. Nothing that is said to you, or anyone, who resorts to it is that you can't be proven wrong in your own mind. It wouldn't matter what you were shown because you've completely closed your mind to the very possibility that you are, in fact, wrong.

A fool demanding proof of his foolishness, as I said previously.

 

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"The problem with your argument is it's inherrant fallacy and utter lack of capacity or room to reason."

 Thank you for making my point, my argument is fallible, it can be disproven, so stop whining about being persecuted and disprove me.

""I demand proof that I am wrong" goes your argument. The problem is that whenever anyone uses this particular argument they have no intention of being proven wrong."

 Lets find out, give it a stab, so to speak. All I see is you stalling, like your lack of evidence will suddenly be a nonissue if you wait long enough.

"Nothing that is said to you, or anyone, who resorts to it is that you can't be proven wrong in your own mind. It wouldn't matter what you were shown because you've completely closed your mind to the very possibility that you are, in fact, wrong."

 I think some sort of profound evidence there is a white-bearded father figure looking down on me would be quite convincing. The sad truth is that you have no evidence, and simply refuse to admit to that fact, much less what it implies.

"A fool demanding proof of his foolishness, as I said previously."

 You statement says nothing to the topic at hand. Show me evidence of your deity, or admit that you have none. Its really that simple.

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@ Derovius

 

The way you're acting, it only proves that you worship a god with the same fervor as the people you are calling fools: you insult them because the god they worship is not the one you do; you try to dissuade them from believing into their god and try to make them believe in yours, even if they are content with their belief and no one suffers from them believing in their god.  The god you worship is Logic.

I believe in God, I'm proud of it, and there's no way you can stop me from doing so while you continue to act the way you are.  I really, really don't think humans normally act purely on logic alone.  We love, hate, and feel a plethora of emptions that can and will make us make illogical decisions instead of logical ones.  I agree to some degree, that we need logic.  But as humans, our ability to be illogical is part of our nature; throwing this away and making everyone act only on logic will take away what makes us human, and make us just like every other animal in the world.  Insulting us won't make us say that you're right.  We believe in God or multiple gods, and as long as we don't harm anyone or try to justify immoral and evil acts with the words "I'm doing God's will", we have the right to believe any way we want to, in any god, whether God, logic, or otherwise. 

I'm a Catholic, but I don't try to make everyone believe in my God. I have always seen different religions as the ways humainity has tried and will try to see God, not with mine being superior for such-and-such reason; in addition to this, believing that there is no God is another way to see Him, just as not seeing is another way of viewing the world around you, in a sense.

But to me, logic sounds like a cruel and cold thing to worship.  When you're lonely, having God there with you to share your lonliness and your fears is a good feeling.  With logic, the only thing it can do is to tell you, plainly and bluntly, "You're alone".  Say that there is no God, for argument's sake. Even though there is actually no God with you when you are alone, it's still a better feeling than actually feeling that you are completely and utterly by yourself in your pain.

Well, anyway, believe what you want to believe, but don't make fun of others because your belief system is in contrast with theirs. 

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"The way you're acting, it only proves that you worship a god with the same fervor as the people you are calling fools: you insult them because the god they worship is not the one you do; you try to dissuade them from believing into their god and try to make them believe in yours, even if they are content with their belief and no one suffers from them believing in their god.  The god you worship is Logic."

 Those who lack the language to describe an idea will use what they know to communicate. You know nothing other than worship, so the idea of a strong grounding in an idea, some could say unwavering, smecks of devotion. Logic is an philosphical idea, a way by which humanity has attempted to seperate themselves from their bias view of what reality is in the search of the absolute truth of a subject. It cannot be worships, deified or brought down to the level of a religious act, as it is in its purest form that which is not human. Religion is a human construct, as logic, but is however subject to interpretation and therein lies its failure.

"I believe in God, I'm proud of it, and there's no way you can stop me from doing so while you continue to act the way you are.  I really, really don't think humans normally act purely on logic alone.  We love, hate, and feel a plethora of emptions that can and will make us make illogical decisions instead of logical ones.  I agree to some degree, that we need logic.  But as humans, our ability to be illogical is part of our nature; throwing this away and making everyone act only on logic will take away what makes us human, and make us just like every other animal in the world.  Insulting us won't make us say that you're right.  We believe in God or multiple gods, and as long as we don't harm anyone or try to justify immoral and evil acts with the words "I'm doing God's will", we have the right to believe any way we want to, in any god, whether God, logic, or otherwise. "

 You're absolutely right, to be a logicly thinking individual is anathemic to a humanist or religious individual. Such is the definition of perfection, that which is everything beyond what one is capable of being. You have crossed yourself in a rather blatant manner, to be a christian is not to acknowledge that humans are animals, but you are somehow special due to the tinkering of a deity. If you believe otherwise, you are obviously confused as to where you lie, much like a bisexual is generally considered a confused person, not sure whether they are completely heterosexual or completely homosexual.

"I'm a Catholic, but I don't try to make everyone believe in my God. I have always seen different religions as the ways humainity has tried and will try to see God, not with mine being superior for such-and-such reason; in addition to this, believing that there is no God is another way to see Him, just as not seeing is another way of viewing the world around you, in a sense."

 So you think Taoism and Scientology are looking for your god? Not all religions worship one deity, or a deity at all, its the blind faith you all have in common that is your failing.

"But to me, logic sounds like a cruel and cold thing to worship.  When you're lonely, having God there with you to share your lonliness and your fears is a good feeling.  With logic, the only thing it can do is to tell you, plainly and bluntly, "You're alone".  Say that there is no God, for argument's sake. Even though there is actually no God with you when you are alone, it's still a better feeling than actually feeling that you are completely and utterly by yourself in your pain."

 It sounds like you have psychological problems if you need an imaginary friend to talk to when you're lone. Perhaps even social problems, as most normal lonely people find other lonely people and are then no longer lonely. To live in a land of make believe to make yourself feel good about yourself or your future/past is really pathetic.

"Well, anyway, believe what you want to believe, but don't make fun of others because your belief system is in contrast with theirs. "

 Simple scrutiny destroys your positions time and again. Its hard not to keep people from running head long off a logical cliff when you see whats waiting for them at the bottom. Try thinking for yourself, I know its hard to do when you've been spoon fed the answers, but you'll be a better person for it.

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What you are is clearly evident. Much like the oft maligned Pandralisk you are a bully.

Any who think differently than you are clearly inferior beings before your own self appointed greatness. It is men like you sir, so enamored of their own intellect and smug sense of superiority, that are the reason why there is so little in the way of civil discourse.

 

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Okay, here goes:

The universe exists. No natural laws can fully explain the origins. Why did the big bang occur? What is the purpose of the universe? How did the pre-creation 'stuff' that would become the universe come into existence? Science is incapable of answering these questions. At the moment, we must choose to believe that somehow, the universe came into being by itself, or that it had help from a supernatural power.

The universe is aesthetically pleasing. There is no scientific reason for mountains, hills, space, etc. to be beautiful. They imply a sense of the artistic, of the creative intelligence behind the formation of Earth.

The universe is very damn useful. What are the odds that a universe where mankind can forge a machine that lets us have this conversation across miles and miles of wires exists? The inherent usefulness of the physical world implies an benevolent intelligence behind the laws of science. If the world is a product of random chance interactions between atoms, then the very fact that science has laws is a nearly indescrible coinicidence. Or a miracle. Which stands the test of reason better?

Christianity specifically has this defense: Eleven laymen and a tax collector followed a Jewish prophet named Joshua, called Jesus in Greek. Jesus was arrested, excecuted by the Roman govenrment and buried. Over the course of the next century, thousands upon thousands of Jews and non-Jews claimed that he had risen from the dead. Many of these people suffered persecution. Thus we know that they believed in the ressurection sincerely. Many of the desciples of Jesus personally suffered persecution but did not recant their beliefs, thus we can be certain beyond reasonable* doubt that they weren't lying about the ressurection.

This leaves us with several posibilities.

-One, some party took the body of Jesus so that the disciples couldn't do the same and claim he had ressurected. This is unlikely because that party would have undoubtedly presented said body when the new religion began to spread.

-Two, Jesus wasn't dead despite two floggings, six hours on a cross, and a spear through his side. The Roman soldiers who excecuted him were too incompetent to make sure he was dead. Putting him dark cave with a rock in front of the door somehow revived him.

-Three, there was no ressurection and dozens of followers had a mass hallucination that convinced all of them beyond any doubt that a ressurection had occured. Conveniently, the body also dissapeared to help convince them of this delusion.

-He actually came back to life.

*If you want to be unreasonable, you could claim that the disciples of Jesus all agreed to lie about his ressurection and start a new religion around it in order to get revenge against those who sentenced Jesus to die. In which case, you would have to concede that their revenge worked flawlessly and they should be commended for a tremendously successful Ganatos Roulette. But like I said. Unreasonable.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

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"The universe exists. No natural laws can fully explain the origins. Why did the big bang occur? What is the purpose of the universe? How did the pre-creation 'stuff' that would become the universe come into existence? Science is incapable of answering these questions. At the moment, we must choose to believe that somehow, the universe came into being by itself, or that it had help from a supernatural power."

 So, in response to a very complex problem your solution is to make up an answer, call it truth and move on? People who do not seek to solve problems, and become sedentary in their views on the natural of reality do not progress. If the world was filled with people like you, we'd still be living by candle light and horse-drawn carriage. To invent and advance is to question.

"The universe is aesthetically pleasing. There is no scientific reason for mountains, hills, space, etc. to be beautiful. They imply a sense of the artistic, of the creative intelligence behind the formation of Earth."

 Aesthetics are a human response to stimuli, nothing more. As is the concept of art. Given what you've said thus far, I can only speculate you have absolutely no background in science whatsoever, as you continue to apply humanistic traits to that which is not human. Science is not "happy" or "sad", and patterns are not "beautiful" or "ugly". If the numbers show a consistent mathematical relationship, there is a pattern given the context.

"The universe is very damn useful. What are the odds that a universe where mankind can forge a machine that lets us have this conversation across miles and miles of wires exists? The inherent usefulness of the physical world implies an benevolent intelligence behind the laws of science. If the world is a product of random chance interactions between atoms, then the very fact that science has laws is a nearly indescrible coinicidence. Or a miracle. Which stands the test of reason better?"

 So now your deity invented the internet for you to? I'll stop there, the level of stupid is overpowering.

"Christianity specifically has this defense: Eleven laymen and a tax collector followed a Jewish prophet named Joshua, called Jesus in Greek. Jesus was arrested, excecuted by the Roman govenrment and buried. Over the course of the next century, thousands upon thousands of Jews and non-Jews claimed that he had risen from the dead. Many of these people suffered persecution. Thus we know that they believed in the ressurection sincerely. Many of the desciples of Jesus personally suffered persecution but did not recant their beliefs, thus we can be certain beyond reasonable* doubt that they weren't lying about the ressurection."

 Because stubborn, pig-headed people under torture tell only the truth. We should inform the authorities, if they torture people almost to death we can do away with courts all together. Your foolish logic is a testiment to religious people everywhere and I thank you for providing me with evidence of your irrational thought processes.

"-One, some party took the body of Jesus so that the disciples couldn't do the same and claim he had ressurected. This is unlikely because that party would have undoubtedly presented said body when the new religion began to spread."

 Or they conned the followers by taking the body themselves to making a highly unplausible event take place? Desperate people are psychologically incapable of being disuaded of their beliefs when they are desperately attached to them. Having your so-called messiah nailed to a dark age torture device and die of exposure sounds like a desperate occurance, yes?

"Two, Jesus wasn't dead despite two floggings, six hours on a cross, and a spear through his side. The Roman soldiers who excecuted him were too incompetent to make sure he was dead. Putting him dark cave with a rock in front of the door somehow revived him."

 Lol, the human body is a magnificant example of natures strive for perfection, the amount of punishment that the body can sustain before it systems start to fail would boggle your simple little mind.

"-He actually came back to life."

 No, no he didn't, sorry.

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I take back my earlier comment. This is not blind unbelief. This is comitted, willful unbelief. I doubt you'd even consider belief in God if he reached down and slapped you. You don't really want any argument that God might exist--you just want something to 'destroy' in order to make your internet penis look bigger. It's quite pathetic.

For whatever reason, you hate people of faith so much that you won't even consider that our words might be true. And it's clear your faith in science and your own brainpower is far more unshakeable than my faith in God. Being full of yourself is not intelligence, man. It's foolishness. You don't have to be a believer to know that.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

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Thank you.  I'm done arguing with him.  He's as bad as JT.

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 Oh, more faith I see. Given no proof to hold onto your beliefs, you demonize me to discredit my position. You are a credit to your religion sir.

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You are doing much the same only ten times worse. You have provided no proof that you are correct, but rather you are simply insulting those who have faith and belittling their convictions.

Till you put up, I suggest you shut up.

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 Correct in what? I have to teach you philosphy to show you what an infallible arguement is? Pfft, you people aren't worth the effort if thats what it has to come to.

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Well, Derovius, if we're not worth the effort, then please leave this site and do not post here ever again.

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 You hide from the discussion only to appear and add that? You could have saved yourself the embarassment and just stayed quiet you know...

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Okay, in retrospect, I sounded harsh in my previous comment. But I will say this: My previous comment was in regard not to the discussion itself, but your attitude about it. It would be to your benefit to have an open mind, not an "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude and the penchant to deliver insult comments (a la Jack Thompson).

Anyway, about the discussion about God, I'll make this simple. Are you wrong in not believing in God? No. Am I wrong in believing in God? No. It's all in what we believe in. It's that simple. But please, don't try to force-feed your belief to others, which is what you appear to do.

That's all I have to say. But I will give you some credit for replying to one of my comments. Jack Thompson never did, for some reason...

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What I'm doing is telling you believing in an unverifiable (purposely?) concept makes you look like a fool.

So I'm a fool for believing in the existence of Hawking radiation until it's actually observed?

-Gray17

 
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