"Sacred Cow Slayings" Rumored at Sony... Is PlayStation In Jeopardy?

January 5, 2009 -

UK newspaper The Times reports today that radical corporate upheaval is coming to Sony.

Long-overdue cost-cutting moves will, according to company sources, result in "sacred cow-slaying measures" that will "will abolish or fundamentally alter many of Sony's long-established business practices."

The reorganization will likely be made public following CES in Las Vegas. The massive trade show ends on January 11th.

Could the PlayStation hardware business get the chop?

That's hard to say, but the PS3 has been bleeding money since it launched in November, 2006 and the PSP is struggling as well. One ominous sign: there is talk of a shift that would turn Sony from a manufacturing to a content-driven business model.

PS3 manufacturing costs have generated huge losses for Sony over the past two years. Content would include games, of course, but Sony also has a stake in movies and music. If the company judges its console business as too costly to continue, it could decide to pursue a system-agnostic approach like the one adopted by Sega after it abandoned the Dreamcast in 2001. Ironically, back then it was Sony's PlayStation 2 which steamrolled the well-regared Sega console.

Alternately, the PlayStation business might be salvaged in whole or in part  and manufacturing cuts could be made on the consumer electronics side of Sony's house.

In any case, we should know more next week. In the meantime, PlayStation 3 fanboys may suffer a few sleepless nights as they worry about the future of their system.


 


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Re: "Sacred Cow Slayings" Rumored at Sony... Is PlayStation In

Shame that, the Playstation 2 is still one of my absolute favorite gaming consoles. Sony just went crazy this generation: expensive machine, expensive and pretentious advertising, and a whole heap of arrogance.

I've said before if they just came out with a cheap model sans Blu-ray player I'd probably buy one, but they can't do that now can they? Because all the games are on Blu-ray. Blu-ray is not going to be the wave of the future because not enough people care. It's like when Nintendo flopped with the Gamecube. Hey let's put everything on MINI-DISCS! Wave of the future! Yeah that really worked out.

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myabe they should nudge developers to let the PS2 finally die gracefully and start building a larger PS3 catalog.  3 years in and still there are just as many if not more PS2 games released per month?  let it go guys, and give the crowd that upgraded a little more incentive.

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There's a reson the PS3 looks like a big black tombstone...

Well alright, I doubt it's going to get the ax (Nintendo's still here afterall) but still, when you have articles talking about how this could be the end? Owch!

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I don't know if any of you read a lot but Microsoft is not doing well either. Aside from the insane amount of money they have blown on marketing to sway people into buying their decrepit operating system (Vista) they have also spend gobs on money to get exclusive content and games too. (i.e. the 50 million dollar agreement between Take Two and Microsoft to get exclusive downloadable content for GTA4) without knowing if it's gonna pay off.

If sony is gonna do some cuts my best guess would be on the PC division since they don't sell that good. And I'm sure other companies are gonna tighten their wallets too so don't expect Microsoft or Sony fighting over exclusives this year (Horray for us gamers)

This year is gonna be a tough year for all consoles due to the global economy crisis reguardless of the myth that gaming is recession-proof.

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There is no doubt Sony has failed. The entered this generation of the so-called console war with the same goal as Microsoft. They wanted to integrate their console into the home theatre experience, such that people would end up buying not just as a game machine, but as part of an overall media solution. In this they have failed. Yes, the console sales arn't there, and the game sales arn't there. But more importantly, there isn't that much demand for Blu-Ray, and their infant online service pales in comparison to Xbox Live.

That said, I don't think Sony would ditch the PS3. It isn't outside of the realm of possiblity. If Sony really did end up totally changing directions and turning into a pure-content entity, then yea, the PS3 is toast. But that seems somehow doubtful. At the very least, Sony seems to invested in the home theatre market, including everything from HDTVs to Blu-Ray to the PS3, to simply pack all of that up and go home. The only reason they would do that is if they were losing more money then they could keep track of. And I haven't seen anything to indicate that is the case. They're not going to just restructure for shits and giggles, because being a company, they like investors. And investors seeing a complete restructure in the middle of a global recession probably arn't going to be happy. Its one thing to cut jobs - its another entirely to start cutting product lines that have long been the mainstay of the company.

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When you have 5 versions of something in 2 years, it's a given you're going to lose money. Sony's had the 20, 40, 60, and 80 GB PS3s, and now a 160 GB. And Blu-Ray may be the future, but not now. Once Blu-Ray players become affordable for everyone, then it may replace DVD, but other than a better picture, don't movies on both formats have the same exact content?

 

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You forget the fact that Blu-ray magicaly gives all movies better plot and happier endings....

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DVDs if I remember right, run somewhere between 480P and 720, or up to 1080. Though with each increase in resolution results in needing more dvds to cram data into. The same with Audio.

Blu-Ray is simply a brand new mass media movable storage. The more you can store on a single disc the better. Makes it easier from cram two hours worth of 1080P content, or 720 and 1080 content together.

 

(Thats simply my take)

Anyway. damn... I had high hopes for the PS3. Maybe it'll pull through. Maybe.

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Sega was a mess, Sony should be ok,  the console game of spending billions on development and making that up over the long haul wont change in the comming generations however they should be buildign cheaper more efficient units...hopefully... since a console over 300$ will take to long to recoup those huge losses...


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Karma's a bitch ain't it Sony?

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Yeah... take that you massive, faceless, multi-national, mega corporation who is suffering just as much as any other massive, faceless, multi-national, mega corporation during the global down turn in the economy..

Good thing that all those employees you'll never meet would be out of badly needed work if manufacturing would be shut down.. but hey! Atleast your favorite consol won the "War"

 

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Nice assumption there, that I have a favorite console. I don't. I just simply find it funny that Sony's immense hubris has come back to bite them in the ass.

And get off your high-horse.

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I can only assume from this comment that you've never lost your job because upper management made a mistake that is not your fault.

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I refer you to Derovius's reply.

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You mean employing his daughter who does nothing, so I get cut to half a week, while she still does nothing except make me have to do more work by messing things up?  Yeah, sounds about right.

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 Yeah, it does sound about right. Including the lowly serf whining about how abused he is. Quit and find a new job, if you can. If you can't, suck it up and live with what you've done with your life.

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 Only sheeple ever get screwed over by stuff like this. If you have half a wit you never place yourself in such a position that losing your job will be the end of your life. God its great being bourgeoisie.

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most people need a jobb for money to support their family. to look down on them for being in such a position makes me want to punch you in the mouth.

 

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Re: "Sacred Cow Slayings" Rumored at Sony... Is PlayStation In

 Most people live beyond their means, and skirt through life on the barest of minimums. I have no sympathy for there financial woes.

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Well that's just life I suppose. One minute your on top of the world, and the next your face down in the gutter. And vice versa too. Just look at Nintendo. They were in dire straights after the gamecube, and now theyre still selling Wii's faster than they can crank them out.

Life's funny like that.

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I'm not surprised by this.  The PS3 launch was botched from the get-go.  It was, and still is, way overpriced.  There's a dearth of quality titles for it.  And the current systems aren't backwards-compatible with PS2 titles, alienating its installation base.  I'm a PC gamer, but I own both a 360 and a PS2 to play games I otherwise couldn't on a PC. 

I wasn't sure what next gen system to invest in; both had their issues (RROD for 360.  Expense and lack of interesting games on the PS3).  I ultimately decided on the 360, and as time has gone by, I grow more and more confident I backed the right horse.  When Square Enix announced that Final Fantasy XIII would be released on the 360, the writing was on the wall, and I felt it would only be a matter of time till something like this happened.

I'll keep my PS2 around as there are still plenty of good games for it.  Too bad tho that I won't get to play God of War 3 or Kingdom Hearts 3, but that's how it goes, I guess.

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a 360 elite and an 80 gig PS3 are the same price.

To get a standard 360 to do what a PS3 does out the box it costs like $650.

So the expensive argument is moot at this point.

Holding on to that is as silly as the 'has no games' argument now. Both true in the past but not now.

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Manta... That is the best way anyone could have said it.

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I dunno IMO the 360 is as botched the crap ass BWC, the horrid hardware design..the fail rate..... its a nightmare.....

 

Game wise.... its still a joke and not worth the associated  costs...


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Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes
of transportation of story and thought, to take them from
society and you create a society of children and nannys


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I never said the 360 was perfect, just that it's better.  Whatever hardware issues it had have been pretty much ironed-out by now, I think.  As for backwards-compatibility, yes there are still a few games I wish they'd make available, but by and large I'd say 75% of the Xbox library is now playable on it.  And when it comes right down to it, 75% is better than none at all.

If Sony wants to salvage the PS3, I say do a price cut and reinstate the Emotion Engine emulator to make it possible to play PS2 titles once again.  That should at least put it on equal footing with the 360.

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Great... considering I just spent $600 on a PS3 and a game two days ago. But, what can you do?

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 Cook breakfast on the power supply, if all else fails.

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People say that, but my Wii gets hotter than my PS3 and the 360 beats the shit out of both of them in turns of churning out heat.

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If anything is gonna be cooked on a PS3 that damn thing better sprout arms and cook it for you, damn expensive >.<

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Re: "Sacred Cow Slayings" Rumored at Sony... Is PlayStation In

 What, you mean like some sort of replacement for a woman? I think PS3's might sell better with that option.

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Theres simply no way Sony will cut off the playstaion brand... yet...

 

They may have taken serious hits from manufacturing costs but one thing you have to take into account is Blu-ray. Sony owns a stake in Blu-ray manufacturing and licensing, and the purpose of the PS3 was not so much a game system as a trojan horse to get Blu-ray into doors mascerading as a blu-ray player. For that, in the future when the economy stablizes, everyone will have to use blu-ray eventually. THAT IS UNLESS. Micrsoft's hand is forced and they simply make a set top box where you download games onto your systen with a terabyte hard drive. Microsoft has actually been planning this for sometime and it's kind of their dream for everything to be downloaded straight into your box rather than buying boxed software. There have been two obsticles that have been preventing them from doing this, 1. is bandwith and brodband issues. 2. Not everyone plugs in their console to the internet

With this, this might spark another format war between boxed software and downloaded software, and my bet is downloaded software will win, and it's far more appeling to the 3rd parties, especially with all the heat from used games. You can't sell a used download so... and the cost of manufacuring would be only limited by the licensing argreement with microsoft to use their download service. Possibly making games cheaper but don't hold your breath. Also stock is no longer an issue. Ever try to find that one copy of a game across your city? So, only in that case I imagine the Playstation brand getting into trouble, but even that, I think Sony would just do the same as Microsoft.

 

 

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Straight download only stuff doesn't tend to test well for the american consumer though.

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The hubris in this generation displayed by Sony was sickening.  Microsoft never really said anything to the degree that Sony did.  M$ knew that they're still the new comer and had ground to make up.

Sony this generation reminded me a lot of Nintendo in its third generation.  How they forced consumers and third party publishers on a proprietary format (cartridges). And just basically told gamers what they wanted instead of listening to what they wanted (blu-ray anyone?).

Nobody probably remembers this, but one of the reasons the original playstation was so popular was that they didn't want it to be confused with anything but a game machine.  In North America, there wasn't even an RPG for a year because Sony execs were worried that there was too much reading and would be confused with novels.  I love RPGs, but it really showed they had a proper strategy.

What's the strategy now?  How often Jack Tretton can put his foot in his mouth?

I'm no fanboy, although you might this so from this post.  I own all three current generation machines and actually currently use my PS3 the most.  I just think that the PS3 has been screwed by horrible strategy.

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Sony was also bitched at for using DVDs for the PS2 with their excuse being 'It will be the big medium in a few years'.

With games eating up more and more space on discs, I can see why they would believe Blu-ray would be the next logical choice.

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 I'd rather Sony and Microsoft switch places...

Sony's is better when it comes to hardware and MS has always had a history developing software... things work out better when the companies stick to their strengths

i mean, have all the 360 games on the PS3 and you have the same result minus the hardware failures... have the PS3 games out on the 360 however and you only add to the number of people needing to ship back their consoles

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In all fairness PS3 have been failing, I had to send mine back to have the optical drive replaced, under warranty luckily. It was less than a year old kept in a nice cool living room with plenty of ventilation and dusted regularly. Although I'm sure the 360 fails more often from all the talk I hear about the nightmare that is the RRoD.

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 No hardware is 100% perfect... if such a thing were possible then there would not be a need to have a warranty in the first place. Warranties are supposed to be a fail-safe, a saving grace should the highly unlikely happen. A few PS3's breaking down does not speak of the millions of others that do not... generally, hardware failure is supposed to be an exception to the rule but not unimaginable

However this is nothing compared to what the 360 went through; the failure rate of that console was far higher than normal (reported rate i think was about 30% failure)... so bad that MS had to extend the warranty to 3 years and take a sharp hit to their wallets just to make sure they could cover all the failures... Failure rates like this are inexcusable... it doesn't matter if MS doesn't have a lot of experience in hardware, because it doesn't change the fact that they should have had the 360 throughly tested and worked out all the bugs BEFORE sending it out to market... They released their console a year earlier than the competition to get a head start, but with how high the failure rate was it only shows that they should have spent a few more months testing for bugs instead of trying to rush a flawed product. 

 

really, when it comes down to it, the only reason those hardware failures didn't kill the 360 is because the games, the software, was much better than what the competition had. if the 360 didn't have such great games and the PS3 did have great games, the 360 would have fallen way behind because it's hardware... however, the games were so good and the competition so non-existent, that people were not only willing to risk the failures, but keep standing by the console no matter how many times it fails (most who got RRoD only got it once, but it's insane for the few who had multiple failures)... hence why i think it prefer MS to work in software while Sony sticks to hardware; best of both worlds

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True... but then you count the fact that first Gen PS3s were catching on friggin fire 12 hours after launch. Some that had less problems simply had their game disks melted.

Like someone said already, all hardware has it's problems... I do agree that in a perfect world, Microsoft and Sony would get married and we could all have the best of both worlds (and maybe have a thing on the side with Nintendo...)

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Yeah, bullshit claim about the fire with the PS3.

I know how it got started though. The sony truck (a big rig with a trailer full of PS3s and Big Screen LCD tvs) over heated and damaged the TVs and and PS3s on board during one of its runs back when the PS3 was being showcased. The truck had no ventilation, all the PS3s were in the display setups like at Gamestops and such, but there was something like 30 of them on the rig. Shit was asking for heat problems from the TVs alone in that setup.

 

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 Where you get that caught on fire story, that's the first time i've heard of such a thing... just taking a quick look around i can only see one story about such a thing happening... along with a story saying that story was just a hoax as admitted by the person...

 

frankly it this was even remotely as big a problem as the 360 RRoD, god knows it would have been widely reported as it would be the kind of thing 360 fanboys would not shut up about as a method to counter the RRoD complaints from the Sony fanboys (all the while nintendo fanboys sit and laugh at both of them)... not to mention something as serious as a fire hazard is the kind of thing that would call for a recall of PS3's

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Although I would be surprised if Sony dropped their support of the PS3, is it possible that they will drop the PSP?  To my limited knowledge, the handheld has been tanking.

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What?

Something like 40 million have been sold.

It has a massive install base, however, many people use it for a lot of other functions other than gaming. Games like Dissidia and the new Kingdom Hearts have caused a huge spike for the tech in Japan and more developers have admitted to wanting to work with the tech some more.

An interesting not though, Sony has said that they are thinking about moving away from all physical media with the handheld and pimping out large memory sticks for the system and dealing with digital distribution for the product soley.

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I think the PSP would be doing better if Sony would release more games for it that people wanted to play. They get the ocassional excellent game like God of War or Crisis Core, but there's not much released inbetween. Personally, I'd probably put a lot more money into PSP games if Sony got some of the Japanese RPGs translated and released over in the US.

The DS also has the novel touch-screen interface and has way more family-friendly games than the PSP does. The PSP doesn't really have a PSP version of games like Pokemon and Animal Crossing, so it's not likely to appeal to younger gamers or the parents that buy their games for them.

That said, the PSP isn't tanking; it just isn't selling as amazingly well in the US as the DS. Ars Technica wrote about this back in November.

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That would sadden me. I don't have a PS3, nor do I really plan on getting one, but I've had a PSP for a year now, and I personally think it's the best handheld system ever made. I still remember the first tme I loaded up Tekken:Dark Ressurection on it and thinking 'Holy crap, this looks almost as good as the PS2 version...'

It boggles my mind how the DS can be kicking the crap out of the PSP sales-wise.

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 I have no pity for Sony; these are the people who proclaimed that the PS3 would destroy the concept of the home computer, and made you pay through the nose for the "pleasure" of experiencing their dream.

 Oh look Sony, I'm still gaming with my computer. Say hi to Enron for me when you get to business hell, thx.

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THat's weird, because I remember Microsoft saying this about the 360.

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I don't remember either of those. What I DO remember is Sony bragging about how awesome their hardware was and how the dirty peasants that are the game developers would never be able to scratch the surface of its glory.

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Again, I remember Microsoft stating similar sentiments.

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I think all three did, actually. I just remember Sony so distinctly because they were doing it while all the talk of how poorly the PS3 was doing was going around.

 
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MaskedPixelantehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU1mK2ig_GU They did their research beforehand.07/19/2014 - 4:41pm
Sleaker@james_fudge - are you sure the FCC can pick and choose? the general rules I read as passed in the act don't really indicate that, but I didn't read through the entirety.07/19/2014 - 4:19pm
MaskedPixelanteOf course, Saban's entire point hinges on them not knowing what the tokusatsu genre is.07/19/2014 - 1:57pm
lomdrLink to where you saw this, Sora-chan?07/19/2014 - 1:50pm
MaskedPixelanteThis is just... confusing to me... They're not being sued, but it looks like extortion, but maybe now the devs can make demands of Saban? I dunno...07/19/2014 - 1:47pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/07/18/chroma-squad-dev-agrees-to-royalty-split-ultimatum-from-power-ra/07/19/2014 - 1:43pm
Sora-ChanSo apparently, Towns is updating again. Not sure what that means, since last we heard it got abandoned.07/19/2014 - 5:42am
 

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