Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

January 6, 2009 -

Before taking office on January 20th, Barack Obama might want to spend some time playing Democracy 2.

At least, that's the view of Cliff Harris of UK publisher Positech Games. Harris has offered a free copy of his firm's  political sim to any politician or candidate who would like to "practice."

Are you a politician? a candidate for real political office? an MP in the UK? A Senator or member of the House of Representatives in the US? or the equivalent anywhere in the world? If so, I...a humble games programmer from the UK would like to give you a free gift. a FREE copy of Democracy 2 for you to practice with.

 

There are no strings attached whatsoever, I won't publish your name anywhere unless you say I can, I'm not getting anything out of it other than the knowledge that just *maybe* I'm helping to make our current crop of politicians more prepared for the task ahead, especially with a global recession on the horizon.

Go on, give it a try, make your policy errors in a game, rather than making them for real...

For non-politicians, Democracy 2 is US$22.95, available for PC or Mac.

Via: Water Cooler Games


Comments

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

'The only model complex enough to simulate reality is reality.'

I seem to recall that axiom from somewhere..

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

I don't know where it comes from, but it's definitely accurately applied here.

That aside, I can't expect a politician to take such a thing seriously any more than someone else could expect me to play some kind of author/publisher simulation before I dive into the world of professional writing.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Protip for professional writing:

Use words that are offensive as often as possible.  It worked for that jackass who wrote lost in the city, people think it's profound, when really its a collection of 'short stories' that use the same plot over and over with interchanging names and is just as cookie-cutter as some of the newer Tom Clancy books.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Well. I really don't see the usefulness of this. A simulated model is only as good as the assumptions it's built on.

In lamen's terms: If a communist made the simulation and you played it as a capitalist, you would fail.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

How do we know a policy error in a game will be one in real life, unless the dev thinks they know exactly what the public wants.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

They don't. That is why it is called a simulation. I am surethe game is not hardcoded with what the dev's think the public wants. At least I hope not.

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Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

I think it would be neat if they ran a site that did monthly polls asking people what they want, and have the game work off of that as long as the person has an online connection.

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Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Polls that would be completely useless due to a skewed sample.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Then what opinion on the public's desires IS it coded with?  Or is it random?  Because either way, the game is worthless as a 'learning tool' or anything like it.  This whole thing smacks of a pompous developer making snide, passive-aggressive comments.

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

The limits of training simulators are that they work best in representing scientific or mechanical models, but not on models based on "soft sciences" or social sciences such as politics, where the outcomes are dictated by humans and not a fixed system. It would take some intense fuzzy logic programming as well as continuous updates to reflect the real world political climate to some degree.

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Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Isn't public opinion random anyway? I thought it was. Well, maybe not. Public opinion seems to flow in the following manner: Public demands A...two years later they are disatisfied with A and now want B...Two years later they are dissatisfied with B and now want A again. All the while ignoring C, D, E etc.

THat could be real easy to code.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

What about all the other things you have to consider?  The fact that in quite a few countries (America, for example) the average voter is uninformed on the basics of what they're voting for?  How about the fact that opinion is easily swayed via the media, which can create an altered picture of reality, or, even fabricate an all new one (my favorite spin is the one where Dick Cheney supposedly made billions off the war in Iraq, nevermind that in all his time at Halliburton he worked pro bono).  How about those issues that change all the time, like how everytime some idiot kid shoots up a school video game legislation and anti-gun legislation becomes popular?  What about the whole gay rights issue (where it changes state to state every other year in some places)? There's a million little nuances and that's just for one country.  I don't believe for one minute that a game that costs $22 dollars took all that into account.  Fuck, I don't believe that any game does.

Like I said earlier, I think the developer's just being a pompous dick while making snide, passive-aggressive comments. 

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

A generous offer, but i wonder how many politicians will actually take him up on it. The way i see it, most of the established Republicans and Democrats in the US, and the equivalents in other countries, will just laugh it off, whereas the new politicians, the ones who are starting their careers and are looking for a hook, might just be persuaded to give the game a go.

Still, its a nice idea...

Re: Publisher Wants Politicians to Practice with Computer Game

Exactly, just like with SimCity some politicians hit it up just for the PR, saying it helped with city planning and so on.  Though I could see a minor help, there is no comparison to the real thing, which is as slow pace as can be because everyone takes forever to do the simplest of things. 

Oh wait, we need a study on this first, you know, because every state, county, or city around us has already done their own, we need our own too.  We can not just average theirs together, especially since they all came to the same conclusion.  We may come up with something different, then have to retest again to find out we were wrong.

Politics is just getting too washed out by BS and greed.  Who was it that said, every mother wants their son to become president, but not a politician.

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Sleaker@MP - I hope you didn't suffer a loss of your mental faculties attempting that.07/28/2014 - 3:48pm
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ZenMatthew, the 3DS already has GBA games in the form of the ambassador tittles. And I an just as curious about them not releasing them on there like they did the NES ones. I do like them on the Wii U as well, but seems weird. And where are the N64 games?07/28/2014 - 10:40am
james_fudgeNo. They already cut the price. Unless they release a new version that has a higher price point.07/28/2014 - 10:19am
E. Zachary KnightMatthew, It most likely is. The question is whether Nintendo wants to do it.07/28/2014 - 10:12am
Matthew WilsonI am sure the 3ds im more then powerful enough to emulate a GBA game.07/28/2014 - 9:54am
Sleaker@IanC - while the processor is effectively the same or very similar, the issue is how they setup the peripheral hardware. It would probably require creating some kind of emulation for the 3DS to handle interfacing with the audio and input methods for GBA07/28/2014 - 9:30am
Sleaker@EZK - hmmm, that makes sense. I could have sworn I had played GB/GBC games on it too though (emud of course)07/28/2014 - 9:23am
E. Zachary KnightSleaker, the DS has a built in GBA chipset in the system. That is why it played GBA games. The GBA had a seperate chipset for GB and GBColor games. The DS did not have that GB/GBC chipset and that is why the DS could not play GB and GBC games.07/28/2014 - 7:25am
IanCI dont think Nintendo ever gave reason why GBA games a reason why GBA games aren't on the 3DS eshop. The 3DS uses chips that are backwards compatable with the GBA ob GBA processor, after all.07/28/2014 - 6:46am
Sleakerhmmm that's odd I could play GBA games natively in my original DS.07/28/2014 - 1:39am
Matthew Wilsonbasically "we do not want to put these games on a system more then 10 people own" just joking07/27/2014 - 8:13pm
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