Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

January 9, 2009 -

Over at Kombo, journo Brad Hilderbrand surveys how gay and lesbian characters are depicted in games and finds those portrayals wanting:

Unfortunately games have fallen back into the rut of stereotype and hyperbole. While there are brief moments in games like Fable II or Metal Gear Solid that treat homosexuality with a careful, thoughtful approach, the game industry seems to be far more comfortable sticking with tired clichés and stereotypes for the sake of not offending, but also not progressing...

In a market where Marcus Phoenix stands as the definition of a man and Lara Croft is the essence of what it means to be a woman, there seems to be little inclination to tackle one of society's biggest taboos. While games have the potential to stand at the bleeding edge of social and political commentary, they prefer to play it safe and put sales above message, lagging far behind their contemporaries in television and cinema...

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:53.

Remind me never to work in a steel mill.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by NovaBlack on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:55.

One main reason its never explored is because for some reason games get bashed to high heaven if they do (whilst its ok for movies and books to explore) and i guess for some developers it isnt worth having to deal with all the fallout.

Just look at the mass effect sex stuff, or how even mentioning the word 'prostitute' in gta means the press (and JT) make up all kinds of nonsense ('full explicit anal and oral sex' aparrently)

As soon as you even mention homosexuality, you get all the right wing nutjobs causing a fuss.

Mass effect had the most incredibly tiny POSSIBLE suggestion of homosexuality activity (in the 'sex' scene) and it had people going crazy.

personally, i have absolutely no problem wether someone is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, baloonAnimaloSexual whatever. And i have no objection to it being in any media (books films or games).

But until developers / publishers start standing up for themselves when the misinformation propaganda squad start spewing (as they always do with any contraversial release) then it isnt going to become acceptable to the mainstream population.

devs/publishers typically just sit back and let the misinformation spread. Leaving bloggers liek us to try and stop it, without any help from them.

Games arent going to be seen on an equal footing as books and movies for artistic expression UNLESS developers/publishers actually get off their asses from counting money, and HELP stand up against this kind of thing when it happens.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Aliasalpha on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:47.

Are these people seriously suggesting that Marcus isn't totally gay for Dom? Did they not pay attention when playing these games??

But yes, sexuality in a game like gears would only be forcibly rammed in (make up your own gay joke there) and be more like a public service ad break than a part of the story. Sure if at the start of gears 2 dom was looking for his boyfriend then that'd be fine (apart from the emotional trauma it'd cause poor lovesick Marcus). However when you're halfway through a mission, Marcus yells at Baird to assault a locust position and Baird stands up, hands on his hips and said in an indignant, yet lispy, way "Why, because I'm GAY?" and then proceeds to run like a girl at the locust screaming "Ooh hello sailor!", that would be a teeny bit disruptive.

In games where romantic relationships would belong in the story and type of game it is then sure, go for the gay if you swing that way but otherwise all it would be is cheap sensationalism or pandering to a special interest group. If it's not an enhancement to the story then it's got no place there.

I seem to recall that Jade Empire handled a gay relationship for both genders pretty solidly.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:52.

True bout Gears... but it really wouldn't be any worse than the dialog that's actually in the game.

And yes, Marcus is totaly gay for Dom (and he might have a thing with Baird on the side)

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Geoff on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:33.

Yeah, notice how throughout a large portion of the game Marcus is followed by that cute blonde and yet never attempts to mach it with her?

And Baird would never touch Marcus. It'd make the Cole-train jealous. (So many jokes could be made out of that...have at it boys.)

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:41.

You just know that Baird is the dom in that relationship (no pun intended)

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Geoff on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:53.

I don't know about that. Baird is always pissed off, like he's got something shoved up his ass all the time.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by beemoh on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:03.

...or hasn't.

*hates self for making that joke*

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:03.

LOL... well, someone had to do it.. may as well be you eh?

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by BrandonL337 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:48.

You people crack me up, all of y'all I love you, except Derovius, that guys an asshole

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by King of Fiji on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:28.

Someone should make a game where you play as Freddie Mercury and you have to save the moustaches of the world from the evil shaving cream corporations of the world.

That would be an awsome game to play.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:29.

You had me at Freddie Mercury!

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Austin_Lewis on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 14:15.

I just want to see Guitar Hero: QUEEN. The person doing vocals plays as Freddie, guitar plays as Brian May, Bassist plays as John Deacon, and drums plays as Roger Taylor.

Although I'd probably play a game with Freddie in it.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by jkdjr25 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 23:23.

I'd like to see that or a expansion for Rock Band that does the same thing. Though the poor person on the mic will have a devil of a time hitting the notes the way Freddie did.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Austin_Lewis on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 00:07.

No one can. Freddie Mercury was an amazing singer. That's probably why the last two singers that have 'replaced' (as in tried to stand in, not as in done a good job) were Joe Cocker and Paul Rodgers. Joe Cocker, some of you may know him from the show 'The Wonder Years'; he sang the intro song 'with a little help from my friends'. Paul Rodgers, he just can't compare either. Probably why they are now going by 'Queen + Paul Rodgers' and not Queen. Honestly, I can't bear to watch or listen to Paul Rodgers sing Freddie Mercury's songs.

I'd rather not see it on Rockband, mainly because I don't want to see MTV touch Queen's music ever. MTV killed good music. Now I turn on the radio and here shit by the 'ting tings' (seriously, when the fuck did that become music?) and other bands that sound like shitty versions of what I heard in the 90's. MTV killed music; if its good, you won't find it there.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:02.

damn...

I'm gonna go listen to QUEEN now

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by JB on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:24.

I'm having issues with this statement and maybe someone can clarify it a bit better: "While games have the potential to stand at the bleeding edge of social and political commentary, they prefer to play it safe and put sales above message, lagging far behind their contemporaries in television and cinema... "

Who says games have to "stand at the bleeding edge of social and political commentary"? Games are designed by the developers to be how they (the developers) want it to be. Telling a developer to do otherwise is like telling an artist how to paint.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by sortableturnip on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:20.

Developers tend to stay away from those kinds of controversy because of the backlash it seems to bring...look at the whole Bully "boy kissing another boy" debate.

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:54.

What debate? The fundamentalist right (re: religious people) screamed bloody murder, the rest of us laughed, and the Earth continued to spin as it had the day before.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:26.

No, Jack Thompson screamed bloody murder, the rest of us laughed and the world kept turning. Get it right.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:57.

Oh, but I did get it right. JT is one man, but his only major coverage is here on GP. I'm referring to your assbackwards news agencies like Fox and CNN pushing the christian agenda around. I'm sure someone like you is on a first name basis with Cloutier.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by BrandonL337 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:39.

huh, i looked at the guys post there was nothing to suggest he was on first name terms with Ann Psyco bitch Coulter, nor that he even had any fondness for her

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:19.

The whole "Gay Sex" thing Jack screamed about in Bully was never covereed by any major news outlet. So I don't understand where you are coming from. Point me at major news stories about Gay sex or any other homosexual related Bully story. Please enlighten me.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:24.

"Please enlighten me."

First, put down the bible...

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by BrandonL337 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:40.

What are you talking about, seriously.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:31.

So you are accusing me of being closed minded when I ask you to explain yourself? I can't believe that you are completley blinded to your own close mindedness. You cannot even keep religion out a discussion that doesn't invole it. And I am the close minded Bible thumper?

I asked for you to point me at main stream news stories about the Bully "gay sex" controversy.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Geoff on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:52.

Broad generalizations are excuses used by bigots to rationalize said bigotry.

There are plenty of sects of Christianity in America that are rather anti-gay. Fred Phelps comes to mind, and JT does run in a similar vein. You've displayed a good amount of intelligence on this forum EZK so I know that you know this.

However, Christian =/= anti-gay. Likewise being a homophobe isn't something exclusive to religion either. Funny thing about hardcore athiests, they tend to be just as narrow-minded and ignorant as the religious fundies they criticize.

But that's a totally different topic. This part of the thread was about the Bully gay-kiss controversy, of which there was very little of.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:56.

That is exactly my point. Derovius accused all conservative Christians of taking an Anti-gay stance in the case of Bully, but has nothing to back that up.

I initially wanted to make it clear that JT was the only one in any kind of spotlight making that connection and trying to run with it.

And yes Derovius is more narrow-minded than he accuses religious people of being.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:59.

To have intolerance to anothers intolerance is in and of itself intolerant. Chew on that.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Geoff on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 13:39.

Ok.

Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because...(and on and on)

Mmmm, tasty.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 13:43.

You could have said that in less space; circular reasoning proves itself?

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by sortableturnip on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 13:35.

www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51609

news.softpedia.com/news/Boy-On-Boy-Action-In-Rockstar-039-s-Bully-38467.shtml

www.mopo.ca/2006/10/new-controversy-rockstars-gay-bully.html

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 13:39.

Well, there you go EZK. I guess I don't have to google it now.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Monte on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 16:39.

Did you actually read those articles?

The first article does not mention gay kissing in Bully at all... If we recall, teachers at the time had concerns about the "bully" concept behind the game

the seocnd article mentions the gay kissing but doesn't really make it the center of a major controversy... in mentions the NIMF protest against the game but does not asy the protest concerns the gay kissing; again, as before the vilence of the game and the fact the game takes place in a school was a major concern

The last one is the only article that tries to call the gay kissing a new major controversy... but all it does is say its a major controversy but has nothing to back that up... no watchdog groups going up in arms, no mass objections coming from chruch officals, no outrage coming from the conservative pundits... nothing...

none of those articles really support your argument... essentially their wasn't much uproar about the kissing in Bully other than the noise coming from Jack

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 13:44.

Those are gaming news sites. I asked for Mainstream news as that is who you said were making a big fuss about it. So when you can give me links to Fox News, CNN, BBC or some equivelent news sources, I will conceed.

But now that those links are posted, I do remember GP reporting on that Canadian Teachers group.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Shadow D. Darkman on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:04.

FAUX Noise doesn't count, EZK, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did have a story like that.

And BTW, deoVIRUS, thought I'd remind you that EZK is a moderator. Even if Dennis doesn't listen to my testimony against you, he'll at least consider it if he hears it from EZK.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Derovius on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:46.

And I'm biding my time until I can get home and find said stories. Work doesn't take to kindly to me googling "+gay +sex +fox -thompson".

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by BrandonL337 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:42.

I will never get that fucking image out of my head, I am scarred for life, thanks a lot asshole.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 12:48.

First time I actually agree with you during a debate.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by E. Zachary Knight on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:50.

True. Developers should make the games they want to make. No one should tell them waht to make. But, that does not mean that people can't be critical of the walking on egg shells attitudes of most developers.

Games could be one of the best tools available for commentary, but they often aren't. Right now it is relegated to Flash and poorly built PC games.

I am all for advancing gaming as an artform, but really you have to be into it from the start and not worried about making tons of money to actually do it.

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by NovaBlack on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:48.

it says

''games have the potential to stand at the bleeding edge ''

which i can agree with.

In regards to political potential of games

Submitted by T5 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 14:54.

I like my videogames and politics seperate at all times...with one noteable exception...

Re: In regards to political potential of games

Submitted by BrandonL337 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 19:35.

Election games? or am I missing something?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: In regards to political potential of games

Submitted by T5 on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 15:19.

*points to name of the website* GP is at its best when it is reporting on legislation or politicians that interfere with videogames. I dream of a world where one day a site like this will not be necessary.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:26.

Because it was a slow news day?

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Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by GTCv Deimos on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:18.

@Doomsong: or better yet... why make a big deal about homosexuality in games...? The moment you stop treating it like it's some ubersensitive subject you've gotta handle with kid gloves, the whole thing stops being a big taboo.

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:23.

Indeed, hell homosexual characters wouldn't stop someone from playing a game if it was good.

Maybe they should do like Metroid did in the 80's... you get all the way through a kick ass action game, then at the end your character has a full blown make out sequence with his buddy. This seemed to help women get past their stereotype in games (the suprise factor; I don't recall Samus making out with anyone at the end of Metroid... but I'd pay good money to see it!!).

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by GTCv Deimos on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:51.

I dunno, the funny thing is that I think the one show that has done a GREAT job of including homosexual characters, without making a fuss over it was... Battlestar Galactica... Every once in a while, they just do that thing where "hey... Gaeta just kissed a doe eyed man...OOooOOhhh..."

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by Doomsong on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 09:15.

Or maybe, just maybe, gay characters in games are not written as flamboiant stereotypes and instead go on to suggest that homosexuals are no different from anyone else... but I guess having them act like a normal human instead of a billboard isn't enough for the "Pay attention to me!!" brigade.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Journalist Asks: Are Games Gay Enough?

Submitted by olstar18 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 14:20.

I know to many of these gay activists forget the fact that 1 there are more straight people out there than gay and 2 the only way to tell if someone is gay is for them to say so and most games do not have anyone mentioning their sex life.

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