Jack Thompson Working on New Game Legislation in Utah?
Jack Thompson Working on New Game Legislation in Utah?
January 10, 2009
GamePolitics received a press release from disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson this morning in which he claimed to be "working with" state officials in Utah to pass video game legislation.
Regarding the supposed legislation, Thompson writes:
Thompson will be in Utah this coming week to work with Utah state officials to pass a new state law that will stop, dead in its tracks, the continuing marketing and sale of “Mature” video games to kids. Utah’s new approach to this problem will be constitutional and it will become a model for other states to follow.
A bit of digging shows that Thompson is scheduled to be in Utah next Saturday, where he will be the keynote speaker at the annual convention of the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum. Indeed, the group appears to be a significant part of Thompson's ongoing connection to Utah. A convention agenda mentions that Thompson:
...will be talking about the research proving exposure to graphic violence leads to violent children and this year's legislation to prevent it.
We also note that, despite his disbarment, Thompson remains listed as an attorney in the program.
Via e-mail, we asked Thompson if he was talking to any specific legislators about a game bill and whether he could elaborate on what he meant by "working with." So far, we have received no response.
Still, given the local clout wielded in Utah by the UEF and its president, Gayle Ruzicka, we wouldn't doubt that some type of Thompson-authored legislation will surface there. Indeed, four state legislators are also scheduled to serve as speakers at the UEF convention.
To be sure, Thompson has quite a history with Utah:
In 2006, then-State Rep. David Hogue (R) tried - and failed - to pass a bill equating violent video games with pornography. Language used by Hogue during legislative hearings mimicked Thompson's frequent comments on game violence. Gayle Ruzicka spoke out in favor of the bill.
In 2007, Rep. Scott Wyatt's Thompson-authored bill failed as well, but not before Thompson called for the impeachment of Utah's popular Republican Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. Shurtleff's offense? He had the temerity to offer a legal opinion that Thompson's bill was unconstitutional.
In 2008, only weeks after a referee recommended to the Florida Supreme Court that Thompson be disbarred for life, the controversial anti-game violence campaigner was honored with a Freedom Award at the annual America's Freedom Festival in Provo. Given the circumstances, we found his selection a curious choice.
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Posted 11/08/09 at 09:02am
DarkSaber: http://tinyurl.com/yez7jyo
DarkSaber: http://tinyurl.com/yez7jyo
Posted 11/08/09 at 09:01am
DarkSaber: Oh for gods sake, the Gearbox pres is gobbing off about Valve again
DarkSaber: Oh for gods sake, the Gearbox pres is gobbing off about Valve again
Posted 11/08/09 at 08:53am
JDKJ: But cheer up, Austin. If the unemployment rate continues to double-digit as predicted for the next few years, your half-dozen stands a better than likely chance of returning to power.
JDKJ: But cheer up, Austin. If the unemployment rate continues to double-digit as predicted for the next few years, your half-dozen stands a better than likely chance of returning to power.
Posted 11/08/09 at 08:46am
JDKJ: @DS: If he had added the line about "or hiring illegals aliens under the table to work as nannies," it would have been a completely perfect descripition. And, yes, it's about the same difference between a six and a half-dozen.
JDKJ: @DS: If he had added the line about "or hiring illegals aliens under the table to work as nannies," it would have been a completely perfect descripition. And, yes, it's about the same difference between a six and a half-dozen.
Posted 11/08/09 at 08:31am
DarkSaber: My god, that description makes them sound almost Republican. Still what did you expect, Obama is only marginally more left than republicans.
DarkSaber: My god, that description makes them sound almost Republican. Still what did you expect, Obama is only marginally more left than republicans.
Posted 11/08/09 at 01:07am
Austin_Lewis: Health insurance, brought to you by the same kind of bureacrats who couldn't, in timely fashion, investigate the comments of any of the men Obama appointed Czars. Or their past. Or their history of not paying taxes.
Austin_Lewis: Health insurance, brought to you by the same kind of bureacrats who couldn't, in timely fashion, investigate the comments of any of the men Obama appointed Czars. Or their past. Or their history of not paying taxes.
Posted 11/08/09 at 01:06am
Austin_Lewis: Yes, and what a piece of crap it was. Arresting and fining people just because they don't make a personal choice to buy healh insurance, creating over a hundred new bureacracies, and worse.
Austin_Lewis: Yes, and what a piece of crap it was. Arresting and fining people just because they don't make a personal choice to buy healh insurance, creating over a hundred new bureacracies, and worse.
Posted 11/08/09 at 12:24am
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
Posted 11/07/09 at 11:33pm
JDKJ: BREAKING: In a photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in a fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
JDKJ: BREAKING: In a photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in a fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:27pm
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:26pm
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:23pm
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
Posted 11/07/09 at 03:34pm
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
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He said the previous law he helped pen was constitutionally bullet-proof as well. You know the one that was shot down as being unconstitutional. So I'm not worried. Jack just can't seem to grok nonlegally binding rating systems. The MPAA has set the precedent for such a rating system, so I fail to see why he thinks that the video game industry needs one. Especially when you take into account that the last FTC study has shown that minors are many times more likely to be able to buy an R rated movie than buy an M rated game.
-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-
Round, like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel.
Never ending or beginning,
On an ever spinning wheel
Like a snowball down a mountain
Or a carnaval balloon
Like a carousell that's turning
Running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
Past the minutes on it's face
And the world is like an apple
Whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind
Like a tunnel that you follow
To a tunnel of it's own
Down a hollow to a cavern
Where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving
In a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble
Someone tosses in a stream.......
You know, I loved the way that was sung in The Thomas Crown Affair (the awesome original with Steve McQueen, not the remake with poseur Pierce Brosnan...)
To me, he made the better Bond, behind Connery. Moore behind him. But the new guy? James Blond? I dunno. I just hope the recent Bond was better than thr last one. I haven't seen it yet.
But watching The Thomas Crown Affair with Steve McQueen sounds interesting.
- Warren Lewis
I heard that Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace turned out just as Ian Fleming would have wanted them to. Plus, regarding Daniel Craig, my older brother, middle child of three (I'm youngest), thinks he's ugly. So far, only my grandmother (mother's side) agrees with him.
I agree that Pierce Brosnan was an excellent Bond. I've seen GoldenEye (also played the N64 game) and Die Another Day.
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"Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon
The new Bond movies made the series what it should be after such jokes as Die Another Day (come on, Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry melt an ice fortress? The entire movie was an excuse to show Halle Berry in a bikini). They've taken a more realistic turn (no missiles behind the headlights or laser watches) and have actually developed Bond as a character. Bond gets through realistic problems (no more laser satellites) with skill instead of a fortunate Q gadget, and he's not just a shallow womanizer. The new Bond movies with Daniel Craig are a huge step up from what the Bond series had become.
Now that the James Bond rant is over, continue with the discussion.
Flemming hated how bond had come to be portrayed. Bond was a trigger happy DRUNK in the books.
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Just like Swordfish was all about showing Halle Berry naked....
MMMM.....Halle Berry naked......*drool*
The new Bond movies are crap. They're even more about product placement than the last Brosnan one. Oh No, we have to save Bolivia from high water prices! That's absolutely something that MI6 needs to be involved in, despite the fact that the UK and Bolivia aren't very friendly.
I felt like Quantum of Solace was half of what could have been a mediocre movie. This new Bond has none of the class of the older Bonds; for God's sake, he stood on a dock fifty yards away from the villain and watched him talk! WHAT THE HELL KIND OF SPY WORK IS THAT?
New Bond sucks, if you disagree you're a moron or you've never seen old Bond.
"New Bond sucks, if you disagree you're a moron or you've never seen old Bond."
Funny how I'm not a moron, I've seen old Bond, and still disagree. IMO, Sean Connery takes second place behind Daniel Craig.
BTW, with the watching the villain thing, that one of the tenets of the Assassin's Creed (from the PS3 game), "hide in plain sight," or in this case, "spy in plain sight."
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"Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon
Then you must be an idiot sir. Daniel Craig is absolutely terrible! He has no class to him, not like the old Bond. And there's a difference between Bond blending into a casino and gambling with his target versus Bond sitting on a dock and looking at the man having a conversation. One has class. One is Bond at his suavest. The other is Bond acting like he's some sort of low class thug spying on another thug.
As for the 'hide in plain sight' tenet, it means blend into the crowd, not stand within view while you're supposed to be spying.
The only universal truth about Bond movies is that Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan are the worst Bonds. Any Bond fan worth his or her salt knows that Connery and Lazenby were the best.
But I beg to differ on Craig. Haven't gotten a chance to see Quantum yet but his turn as Bond in the Casino Royale remake was pretty stellar. Especially compared to the original, which not even Peter Lorre could save.
Go see him. That's all I have to say. If you don't find his acting, and the whole plot, to be idiotic, I will pay for your MRI or CAT scan or something.
Yes, you should have a CAT scan if you prefer a realistic evil plot and protagonist with personality and personal issues to a ridiculous plot about laser satellites being thwarted by a guy whose only personality trait is that he's a terrible womanizer.
Are you serious? The new Bond has all the personality of a cracker. And how is 'stealing water from Bolivia' realistic? Are you serious? 1) Bolivia wouldn't let it happen, nor would Chavez. 2) It doesn't affect England at all, ergo no need for MI6 to get involved. 3) I seem to recall Bond was a smooth-talking womanizer, which is more than the new one can say. 4) The new movie ripped off Goldfinger's famous 'woman covered in Gold' scene in the worst way. Way to suck in an original manner.
I thought the homage to Goldfinger was well done. Sure it didn't have the class of say the Untouchables with the pram bouncing down the stairs scene, but hey, still good.
Ahhhhh the Battleship Potemkin (sp?) tribute :) Nice!
Except that you missed the entire part tying the scheme into the Quantum organization and Bond's murdered girlfriend. Seriously, the plot of Quantum of Solace was a huge step up from many of the more recent Bond movies. Bond had personal reasons for doing something, and the plot wasn't some sort of ridiculous rule/destroy the world scheme involving killer laser satellites or other outlandishly impossible technology. Add in the fact that Bond has personality and character development, and you've got a new take on the series that's far superior to where it had been going with Brosnan.
1) There was no character development. A friend of mine, a writer with a doctorate from Duke, a man who knows more about English, writing, and 'characeter development' than all of us put together, could find none. There wasn't character development; there was a shallow love interest death like has been seen before in other Bond movies. Only difference is that this one was stretched over 2 two-hour long sequences designed to waste time.
2) 'killer laser satellites' aren't as outlandish as you think. Neither were the old 'nuke country A' plotlines.
3) As I've said before, the 'plot' of quantum of solace is absolute garbage. MI6 doesn't care if Bolivia finds itself having to pay triple the price for water. No one cares. Maybe their neighbor Chavez might care, but that's only because the current head of Bolivia loves him oh so much. James Bond would never even be there.
4) Step up my ass. Poor 'spy' work, shoddy special ops work, more 'vengeance' and less espionage and clear thinking. This is the Bond that the dense masses want; more violence, less class. There's a reason the old Bond had a Walther PPK, not a P99 or an Uzi or an MP5. Bond wasn't about throwing jackass bodyguards off of a roof.
I utterly disagree with you and stating that anyone who does so is a moron weakens your argument. Casino Royale was far more believable than any previous Bond film and the interplay between characters was far more convincing and enigmatic than anything else I've seen. Frankly I thought previous Bond films were stale where as Daniel Craigs is breathing new life into it.
Quantum of Solace on it's own doesn't stand out as a masterpiece, but taken alongside Casino Royale is neatly tells the story of Bond's fall and rise. It is worth noting that Quantum of Solace is just a short story written by Ian Fleming, barely even a conversation infact, between Bond and another character who I forget the name about discussing the death of a loved one and how to get over it. I felt that such a story needed to be told after the conclusion of Casino Royale and whilst Quantum of Solace isn't going to become a classic, it sets up the new Bond beautifully.
P.S. I think I have seen all the old bond films now from Dr. No all the way through. It is horses for courses and I like this new direction.
We also note that, despite his disbarment, Thompson remains listed as an attorney in the program.
Who should we contact about this?
岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」
I would say, leve it be.
If anyone contact them, even to ask for a quote, it will be played up as liberal games working in secret to destroy him and will play very nicly to the Eagle Forum.
well, I'm certain that Thompson didn't write that himself, the grammar is too fractured.
so He's not drafting a video game Law
No, I believe he *IS* drafting a new video game law. I meant that I do not believe he wrote the entry in the Eagle Forum convention program that lists him as an attorney.
I have the Utah AG's Email address(I know I'm going to get in trouble with you and the state of Utah) notifying the AG That he "IS" Trying the same thing again(Not to mention telling him of JT escapades( That nearly put JT in Jail)) (Not personilizing it, Just letting the utah AG know what JT did(Your articles on JT will stop him from putting a video game law in Utah's hands))
You're certainly free to write to anyone you like. JT is also free to try to get this done and the AG has no power to intervene, other than to offer his opinion, if requested by the legislature.
What will happen is that Gayle Ruzicka (who is strangely powerful in ultra-conservative Utah) will prevail upon one of the legislators to introduce the bill. There will be some discussion in the legislature. However, the likelihood of passage is slim. And, if it does pass, it will be shot down in federal court at great expense to the taxpayers.
The voters and taxpayers of Utah are the ones who can intervene successfully, by speaking their opinions to their lawmakers.
That's why I dislike video Game laws(Video games are 1st Amendent protected), IMO they're wasteful pork for all Political Parties, They make a state's budget Worser than it is now
Here's the aborted email
Maybe he isn't responsibile for describing himself as an attorney on the program. But he is, or reasonably should be, aware that he has been so described. Triggering, I would think, an obligation to have that erroneous description corrected as soon as possible. If not, then I believe he's just as complict in the false description as the one more directly responsible for its publication. And solely on the hook for better than baseless allegations that he is practicing law without a license by holding himself out as an attorney.
And I wouldn't be at all surprised if he told someone they could properly describe him as an attorney because he's still admitted to practice in the Southern District of Florida . . . which itself is best described as a "hyper-technicality."
Sometimes I think Utah should just be allowed to leave the Union. I think the US is a little too attached to the idea of 'keep as many states as we can' and some should just be alloed to break off into thier own little countries.
If nothing else, it would be funny to see what Texas would do as it's own country. Probably invade Cuba or something ^_^
Texas? Yeesh, imagine what FLORIDA would do.
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That would be hilarious. The Midwest and the South would split off and form a conservative country while the Northeast and the West Coast would form a liberal country. The problem is that the conservatives would take most of the farmland (aside from California, that is) and would effectively split the liberal nation in half. The conservative nation would also probably have more guns that they're not afraid to use and fewer big cities to make targets out of, giving them an edge in any sort of civil war.
Also, I think your assumptions about Texas are incorrect. They wouldn't invade Cuba; they'd probably invade New Mexico and force it to join the conservative country. Or they might invade old Mexico; it wouldn't be the first time.
it'd be the Civil War all over again
岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」
True that they would get all that farmland, but at the rate of how we much we are farming it and how much water we are drilling out of the aquifer beneath it, we could see another dust bowl again and that land become fairly useless. There just isnt enough rain fall in that part of the country, which means we have to rely on drilling the water out and there is only so much water in that aquifer. When that empties out, it will likely be a huge disaster as so much of our(and world to an extent) food comes from that region. So in the end, if the midwest really did break off, unless they restrict their farming, it wont be of much use to a "conservative nation".
Isn't Mexico already invading Texas?
You have something of a point there. The Midwest would have to switch over to a realistic and sustainable agricultural model instead of the ridiculous corn model they use now. But if the farmers wised up and started planting a variety of crops meant to grow in their climates instead of trying to forcibly grow corn, soybeans, or wheat by irrigating and throwing tons of fertilizer on, they wouldn't have much trouble. Also, right now it's a race to see if the aquafers run or before the salt build-up on irrigated lands makes them unfarmable. Still, Iowa should be sitting pretty. Most of the state gets more than enough rain to grow corn without irrigation.
Do libertarians get to have a country? :(
Led by John Stossel, of course.
Libertarians get New England.
Sweet deal, if you ask me. New England is the heart and start of America's freedom.
Don't Tread On Me!!!
I thought Libertarians only got South Dakota.
Actually any state could technically break off and form it's own nation (or multiple states together could break off) if the will of the people demand it, there are many secessionist groups throughout the country (infact Sarah Palin is loosly affiliated with an Alaskan secessionist group)
Mind you however, that any state that did break off would likely be forced back in under the might of the American army, much like what happened in the civil war (the south rebeled and seceded from the nation, the northern forces forced them come back after breaking them in a bloody war)
Not to mention that most states simply do not have an ecomony that would be self-sufficent. Or, lets say Arkansas succeded, you have one country literaly surrounded by a potentialy hostile neighbor, their only way to the coast for shipping running through same territory, no major air service hub. etc..etc..
Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.
Thats just fine. As long as he stays in Utah and never comes out EVER again I can accept this. There is nothing in Utah I want or need.
No way! Utah is too close to Washington...send him to California with all the other crazies like Baca!
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This will probably work just as well as his previous 100% constitutional law which was found to be totally unconstitutional. I think that the last time he was trolling here he said something about making a law based on commerce or something. It doesn't matter because it is still limiting free speech and will therefore be struck down just like every other videogame violence law has been.
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JT has, was and awalys will be a Complete and Utter Loon
Yay, we all know how well these laws have done in other states. What is it now, 9 bills found unconstitutional out of 9 bills passed. Judical Precedent is clearly on our side in this. Unless a constitutional amendment is passed saying minors have no Free Speech rights or video games aren't Free Speech, these laws are doomed to fail.
"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment
I'm not sending an Email to the Utah AG, like Dennis said the utah AG is powerless to stop it(Is there a way to condense Most of JT's follies in one letter without going into detail but have proof to stop him)
The UEF program contains more wrongful "facts" than just Thompson being listed as an attorney.
It says Thompson has become the nation's foremost authority on the effet of violent vidoe games when we all know that the word authority should really be joke. Thompson never had even a single success related to video games and has often if not always been proven wrong.
It also says he will be talking about the research proving exposure to graphic violence leads to violent children. If such irrefutable research did indeed exist Thompson might have had success in his carreer, even with his unethical behavior, but such research does not exist. Even the most anti-violent enterntaiment research speaks of agression, not of violence.
All in all, I find Utah a very strange state due in part to the UEF. I would nearly throw the word delusional out there. It's one thing fighting against violent entertainment but to purposefully ignore simple facts is being delusional.
From the Utah Eagles Forum About Us: http://www.utaheagleforum.org/about.php
EAGLE FORUM was founded in 1972 by Phyllis Schlafly as a national pro-family organization. The Eagles have achieved unmatched success in:
Defeating radical programs for federal child care
UTAH EAGLE FORUM has achieved an equally distinguished record within the State of Utah and has become a recognized leader for conservative principles while accomplishing the following:
Thwarting the passage of "Hate Crimes" legislation
Bringing the anti-family "Values" and sex education programs in public schools to halt.
(Which contridcts the next two.)
Protecting Parental Rights.
Preserving choice in education for parents, including home school.
Championing the preservation of religious liberty
(Which is, in fact, a lie because it's only THEIR religious liberty that they want others to have the Right to believe in.)
Their ignorant views on education:
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/daycare/
Marriage:
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/marriage/
Naturally, we expect the Traitor John Bruce to associate with a known hate groups. Hopefully, citizens of Utah will take notice of their poiticians' part in a hate group as well. Their association with an individual who advocates lies, deceit, bigotry, and hate as "moral" acts should make them very questionable in their capabilities to honorably and ethically perform their duties.
It would be no different if they were in an organization with the likes of David Duke, Fred Phelps, or even Eric Rudolph. During election time, we questioned even minor associations and acts of politicians. That should not end simply because the elections are over.
Just as the politicians in NC should be questioned about their association with an organization the supports abuse against children and stands against legislation that would make abuse in school legislated wrongdoing, so should politicians receive negative attention for being associated with a known hate group such as the Eagles Forum and a know bigot, liar, and deceiver such as the Traitor John Bruce "Jack" Thompson.
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What's with the "traitor" stuff? The things you miss when you stop reading the replies for a while...
not sure about THIS case, but i have heard some call Jack a "traitor" in regards to being a christian... he calls himself one, but his actions and beliefs say otherwise
"Bringing the anti-family "Values" and sex education programs in public schools to halt."
But isn't that how we get *GASP* unwanted teenage pregnancy? Well I guess these girls can always get an abortion.....
jonathancoit.blogspot.com
That is how you get to use 'I told you so'
By increasing the risk of pregnancy they can claim with a strait face that the girls should have listend to their pastors and remained a virgin.
In other words, they are making sure that if you do not do things their way, failure is as painful as possible.
I kind of lost it when they said they used "conservative principles"
When ever you bring in political views, conservative or liberal, it's almost always a bad thing.
I wouldn't call them hate groups but I would call them morons. They think atheism has gained control of the courts, and Hollywood and all that other 'vast liberal conspiracy' bullshit. (Speaking of which they also think the fact that most scientists support evolution is a big conspiracy as well, which ranks them close to the 9/11 'truthers' in terms of moronic conspiracy claims).
And of course there's the usual crap that any judge that disagrees with them is an 'activist judge'. Living in California, I heard this crap first hand when conservative stooges kept claiming the judge who overturned gay marraige bans was an activist judge, despite being Republican, as well as several other demonstrably false statements that directly contradicted CA law. But I'm getting off on a tanget.
And of course there's the usual demonizing of the other side (which unfortunately you can find on every side), pretending that liberalism is nothing but feminism, PC crap, atheism, and anti-family ... whatever.
Oh and I found this
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2001/oct01/psroct01.shtml
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I'm not surprised that the Eagle Forum would continue to list jT as a lawyer. They're probably the only ally he has left right now. Let's not forget they're run by Phyllis Schlafly, the most hateful woman on Earth. Ideaology-wise, they're very compatible.
I wonder what Jason Chaffetz, Representative of the 3rd Congressional District of Utah, where the Freedom Festival happens to be held, thinks of Thompson? I'm sure he must have at least heard of him. Maybe he can beat him in a leg-wrestling match? He may have lost to Stephen Colbert, but I have a feeling he can easily beat Thompson.
Isn't Chaffetz the guy who refused to rent digs in D.C., opting, instead, to sleep on a fold-away cot in his Capitol Hill office? And take showers in the basement?
"Chaffetz announced at the start of the Congressional term in 2009 that he would be sleeping on a cot in his office rather than renting a Washington, DC apartment. Chaffetz said, "I'm trying to live the example that it doesn't take big dollars in order to get where we want to go. I can save my family $1,500 a month by sleeping on a cot in my office as opposed to getting a fancy place that's maybe a little bit more comfortable." His family will continue to live in Alpine. "We are now $10 trillion in debt. $10 trillion. Those are expenses that have to be paid at some point," he said. If he can tighten his belt in these tough economic times, Chaffetz said, Congress should be able to as well. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6587327&page=1
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There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
...is a moron
Here, let me help you complete that sentence...
"...is a f**king t*@t. She is the worst kind of conservative in the history of the world, and I feel sorry for any man who has been in any kind of emotional relationship with this witch."
There ya go. Enjoy.
Game on, brothers and sisters.
The key word in this case is "FAIL"...
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I think Let Utah find out on thier own that said attourny is Disbarred
He did get an award from them though. Mabye they know and just don't care.
For Jack Thompson:
Jack Thompson claims something, nobody believes him because he has no credibility. I guess he has to go to one of those hick states that still think he's an attorney in order to be noticed.
When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I totally called Utah being the state he was claiming to "work with".
In the end, it won't matter as anything the worthless turd comes up is still unconstitutional.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
Dennis, with all due respect, you have fallen right into Jack Thompson's little game. You gave him publicity for a non-issue.
- There is 100% precedent that anti-games laws get struck down.
- There is 100% precedent that Jack Thompson fails at everything he ever does.
The only interesting point is that Jack is still pretending to be a lawyer- he will be in jail before 2011 (trust me).
Zerodash, with all due respect back atcha, covering any legislative issue relating to games is job one at GamePolitics.
My concern is not whether Thompson does or does not enjoy the coverage. My concern is bringing the news related to this topic to the people.
In fact, knowing the clout that Gayle Ruzicka has among conservative Utah legislators, I'd say the odds of this bill getting proposed are about 99%. So, why would I not write about it?
Yeah but doesn't he alternate between "drafting bulletproof gaming legislation" and "bringing Take 2/R* to its knees" every other day?
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This didn't work before. What in the hell makes Thompson think it will work this time?
i still wanna see this advertising towards children and all.
i just don't see it anywhere.
no more than any movie anyways. i've yet to see an M rated game advertised in a manner that could coincide with his claims.
I've repeatedly asked Thompson to cite an example of an M rated game being marketed to kids. The best he's ever been able to come up with was a GTA ad that aired on ESPN Sports Center at two in the afternoon.
Needless to say, the target audience of Sports Center is not children.
Andrew Eisen
I'm surprised he didn't tell you to look it up or watch Cartoon Network.
And as yo usaid, Sports center is geared toward people the games are made for anyway.
Jack has also claimed that advertising during WWE programming counts as his proof. This was before the WWE became TV-13 BTW.
Jack Thompson to be speaking at a conservative, possible hate group? Why is he even bragging about it?
The same reason that he brags that he sent gay porn to the court docket: He's insane.
The monkeys and the beatles were pornography according to thompson-esque people back in the 60s They ranted and screamed and only served to accelerate it.
They have to live out the rest o ftheir days watching violent rap, death metal, and other really heinous 'music'. Instead of fixing a minor social problem and defining clear boundaries that let people have any bit of leeway, they helped sharpen the spearhead of the movement that led to the filth in music today.
Thank you Thompson, for being the beast that is extreme media violence's whetstone. You have done nothing but sharpen its blades and strengthened it as a sparring partner. Now my generation will have to deal with games that actually DO harm people by playing.
I guarentee you, as the force feedback games take off, there will be a game that gives you the ability to strangle someone, full sounds included, with full force feedback of the person choking and struggling, then the life slowly leaving them.
That kind of violence right there, that's what'll lead to video games training killers and murderers. And that's what's coming, because thanks to you, you've strengthened the beast to where no one can stop it until it's far too late to prevent fallout. I certainly know you're proud of yourself.
Doing a video game Law Will not only produce damage to the state but cause an equal, opposite and very harsh reaction from the video Game industry(See wolvenmoon's statement for further details)
"Force Feedback"? What a delightfully quaint term
"Tactile immersion" better?
Is it possible to be addicted to failure?
Yes, they actually call it 'Chronic fail syndrome', someone in the midst of one of the 'fail fits' this syndrome comes with is said to be 'jacking off'.
Because what we all need during an economic crisis is to waste money on one fool's vendetta.
I hope said fool Dosen't bankrupt The country on arrogant Pork-barreling of the state goverments (The founding Fathers must be Rolling in the grave right now)
Actually there's probably nothing left of the founding fathers to roll, although if there were I think they would've started rolling a long time ago.
Hell it could be perpetual motion by now.
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Debates are like merry go rounds Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.
The friction from alternatingly being rolled one way and the other is where global warming comes from, and is what'll eventually knock the earth out of orbit into a passing meteor (Which scientists predict will have an austrailian accent, and be wearing a giant purple fedora.)
There's an idea! We could hook up turbines to harness the energy of the perpetually spinning corpses of the fathers of the country. Free energy for all!
Be careful about trying to read anything between the lines on Thompson's posts, he know people do it and deliberately lies in his communications in order to try and convince people he is winning.
Most of his victories only really take place insidei his head, and by making other people see his own delusions, he thinks that make them real.
As for the Eagle Forum, I laughed, there's a group dedicated to stopping freedom of thought and spreading ignorance and superstition, but, let's face it, there's hundreds of little crackpot covens llike it all over the US, from the Westboro Church to the Larouchites.
After certain areas of the Middle East, America is probably the most famous countries in the world for its crackpot religious groups.
Agreed. The delusional weirdo has done a big pile of nothing since 1998.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
1998? You're being generous, off by at least a decade.
It's absolutely amazing that someone can take what westboro does from the new testament. A huge number of the points about treating others are "Don't screw others over" and teaching through peaceful means.
He admits to this 'emotional terrorism' that is so common amongst organizations that would see him ostriocized for his beliefs. You can't tell me that america doesn't cater to the extremist views and doesn't ignore the people doing good in the industry.
How often do you hear about the westboro nutjobs? How about the counter-picket group that picketed westboro at one of westboro's infamous gay pride parade picketings, and got arrested for sitting in a circle with signs that said "god loves all" and "christ died for everyone", and singing amazing grace, right across from the 'god hates fags' people.
This whackjob makes the news, but people that say they want opt-out options in every gory game, or that they want a more diverse M+ rating system that'll put games like left 4 dead and such off of front shelves, they're the ones that get ignored and laughed at.
Personally, I've always thought an unavoidable weakness of the First Amendment is its coverage of 'compelled' speech. People who are compelled to speak are protected, but people who are compelled to listen as not so well covered, that's how groups like the Westboro Church appear, not by simply giving their opinion, but by forcing it onto people, much like Thompson does.
Unfortunately, it has to be that way even though low-lifes will, undoubtedly take advantage of it because, on occasion, someone will speak up with something that actually matters. The downside is that people like Thompson, Westboro etc are actually convinced they are saying something that is important and relevant, and not simply being as offensive, spiteful and vicious as possible, they are actually convinced that God considers sexuality and game-choice as more important than lies, deception, hatred and the celebration of other people's loss.
Sorry, wanted to add:
One of the funniest part about this, I always feel is, had Thompson several years ago started expressing a concern about Video Games and the short-term effects of them, if he had come in using such foreign concepts as 'manners' and 'respect', he might have found a certain degree of support even from Gamers themselves, I've certainly found my driving affected after playing a racing game at a Service station, but then, it was affected in much the same way after watching 'The Fast and the Furious', so it's more complex than simply computer games having an affect.
Instead, he had convinced himself that we, who post on Forums such as this, consist solely of members of the 'Video Game Industry' (if you consider a large collection of industries that are competing for profit as some kind of unified force in the first place). He didn't stop to think that the 'great unwashed' as he considers them, actually stooped to taking in interest in Politics, maybe he judges the public by the intelligence of the people who hire him, I'm not sure, but he's too arrogant, even now, to accept that a very large percent of the people who are posting here are consumers, not producers of computer software.
Thompson has, by his own actions, manouvered himself into a position where he's trying to tell both sides what to do without any support from either, in other words, he's looking like exactly what he is, a small minded control freak who lacks the most basic of communication skills.
I suspect he was bullied at school for having a camp voice to be honest, that would explain a great deal about his behaviour and motivations.
There is one, and only one, way to have video game regulation pass constitutional muster.
I'm surprised even Jackie Boy hasn't figured it out and tried it yet (Hint Jack: It's not whatever you're proposing in Utah)
ETA: Whoops, two, although the second probably doesn't technically count.
He tries to use a banhammer for legislation, but it seems he hit himself with it.
The only legislation that would get passed would be overly broad, then struck down by a judge. There is harm to minors coming from this, but compared to our public schools, it's nothing.
AE: Fixed it for you.
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
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Tweedle ta, toodle doo.
Let the old man stroke his ego. That's all he got these days.
Utah gamers have nothing to worry about. Jackhole's batting .000, after all.
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I feel sorry for Utah Gamers, as they have to deal with this creep and the ultra conservative group.
Although they are not as bad as the 'other groups in America that I would not mention' it is clear that these people are trying to use the "Ban violent videogames and protect the kids from becomming murderes" as an excuse that they are just 'Offended' by violent videogames or anything else that they are not used to.
Does anyone agree?
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. Harlan Ellison once described Phyllis Schlafly as "a mischeivous woman who does terrible things." Jack could be considered the same. Ellison also said that if she walked into the headlights of his car, he would "knock her into the next time zone." (I'd do the same to Jack.)
The following quote from Florence Kennedy I think also applies to them both: "I just don't see why some people don't hit [Schlafly and Thompson] in the mouth. I don't think [they] would be damaged seriously, but I don't think it would hurt if somebody slapped [them]. We're arguing with people like [Schlafly and Thompson] who obviously aren't speaking from a rational perspective. Instead of so much argument, people should slap."
This guy is like herpes. He never goes away....
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That comment is full of win!
ironic thing about the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum is that their god sees eagles as an abomination
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Having seen how he acts here, how he acts on jaablog and any place where someone might have a different opinion, I think its safe to say John Brucey's law/bill/whatever will not go far.
Not to be off-topic, but after this is done and the JBT is done and in a mental hospital(most logical outcome) can we get a collection of all his posts and press releases? It would make for a great collection of works, in the same vein they collected Bloom County strips to make a TPB out of it. Throw in GP's disbarrment coverage, you could have a best seller. I wanted to use 'You Don't Know Jack' as a title, but there's copyright issues from sierra and I don't think JDKJ would think kindly of me partially deriving something from his SN. Remember when they had a You Don't Know Jack show and Pee Wee Herman was the host?
I plan on doing such, but naming the Title In-Freaking Sane: the Real, Uncensored and Unbiased side of the Story of the Metropolitialn Moron of miami(With Foreword by GP owner Dennis Macauly)
So even though he was disbarred, he still acts like a douche? Wow, I never would have guessed that would happen!
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But he is our little douche, And 2, too him, if a gamer ever did decide to speak their opinion in utah against the hypocrite (Honest,Secretly, He actually does cares more about gaining fame and money than god), Thompson would be ready to bite like a doberman, To him like always and stereotypically, We'fe fat, Stupid,Drug-induced psychos who waste their "babble" on this and that and blah blah blah and so on.
It says in the bible that you Cannot serve Both god and Money
In the THompsonion edition yo ucan
Jack hasn't commented in here yet? I'm surprised.
Any game legislation proposed can not be air tight just for the simpe fact that 1) games are protected free speech, and 2) a majority of stores are self-regulatory, so it makes the whole thing moot.
As it is, I argued a point in my Writing Workshop class tthis past week that we can actually learn a lot of skills from video games that we can apply to the classroom.
Doesn't Utah have the largest percentage of practacing polygamists?
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
And that has what to do with the topic at hand?
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Methinks he is calling JT a polygamist.
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Homer : Chop, chop, dig, dig, chop, chop, dig, dig, chop, chop, dig, dig ...
Marge : You know, Homey, there's so much more two wives could do for you ...
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The fact that ANYONE AT ALL takes him serious enough to be included in the process of forming actual legislation, sort of makes me feel like the law matters less.
I feel like since he's persistent that people will let him have his way. WTF, I'm not following some stupid rule just because a stupid person was persistent.
Thank you GP for covering this story, as a UT resident it's nice to know this will probably be coming down the line. Please post any updates if you get them. If there is a law drafted I will be writing to my representatives.
I have complete faith in the courts to kill this if it passes, I'd just rather it dies before Crazy Jack has a chance to piss away any of my tax dollars.
Not to mention real life tends to get in the way. This state, like many, is dealing with major budget short falls this year and the governor has proposed major cuts across the board. Let them talk this thing is low on most people's agenda.
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I'm gonna segue for a minute. I'm not going to talk about Jhompson, we all know he's crackers. If Dennis and EZ want to sanction me for getting off-topic. (shrug) Well, that's certainly within their rights.
As I sit and think about this, it isn't Jhompson that annoys me, so much as these "Utah Eagles". Pro-family. Huh. Anything suspicious about that strike anyone? Like maybe there's a certain degree of hypocrisy in a state that's semi-infamous for polygamy leading the charge for so-called, "family values"? Didn't Warren Jeffs come from Utah? To remind anyone who might have forgotten, he actually made the FBI's top 10 most wanted list for marrying off underage girls in forced marriages.
I used to consider myself conservative. To an extent, I still do. But I'm starting to wonder. Over and over, I see this kind of hypocrisy among conservatives and it's really starting to tick me off. How many times have you seen conservative groups work themselves into a lather, trying to protect the "sanctity of marriage" against gay couples, when those same groups don't lift a finger to do anything about, what's the divorce rate at now? 50%??????? (That's just an example)
Frankly, as if following Jhompson wasn't proof enough - I feel fairly seriously compelled to question the integrity of such an organization that feels it necessary to police violent media. Especially if it's not uniformly applied. Last time I checked my satellite TV gets HUNDREDS OF CHANNELS and guess what, some of them have violent media on them! GASP.
OK, I'm gonna stop, because now I'm just getting ticked. Bottom line is Jhompson's hit bottom of the barrel, he's not getting any lower. Never heard of these eagles though, and if I never hear of them again methinks it will be too soon.
Come on! Will everything be liable for a lawsuit? It is surprising how a Nintendo DS AC adapter can be blamed for starting a fire when there a millions in homes around the world and that has not happened before.
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