Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

January 11, 2009 -

As GamePolitics reported last week, Israel's invasion of Gaza has spawned protests in Second Life as well as a Flash game with a distinctly pro-Palestinian view.

The latest online game inspired by the conflict, however, is very much pro-Israeli.

Save Israel is a simplified, Missile Command-like game which seems very difficult to win - and that appears to be the designer's point. When it's "game over," a splash screen advises the player:

It's very hard to save Israeli citys from Hamas's rocket, so we must defend ourselfs

User comments to the game on its Kongregate page reflect the strong division of opinion generated by the conflict.

Via: Enduring America


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Hmm, yes it does explain things rather well...

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 Israel is killing babies, thats all anyone is going to remember.

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After doing a little more research, I'm forced to take the Israeli side in the conflict.  Basically, Hamas says in their founding documents (a mission statement, if you will) they want the complete and utter distruction of Israel, and they also state the strategy of hiding in civilian areas to hinder Israel's efforts (which violates geneva conventions, BTW).

 

Yeah, there are other factors in there, but in the end, we have a established, functioning nation (Israel) being attacked by rockets from the governing body of a neighboring nation (who Israel is supporting with electricity, gas, and other utilities) who have stated they want to see Israel wiped out.  In that context, the supposed reasons for the rocket attacks don't really matter - Hamas would find reasons to fire them anyway, because their end goal is the destruction of Israel!

 

Gaza wants to be seen as its own indipendent nation, yeah?  Until they can start behaving like RATIONAL ADULTS instead of whiny children, why should they be seen that way?  Gaza is almost entirely dependent on Israel's electricity, water, and other utilities for its survival (not that much electricity is flowing right now, but whatever).  The people in Gaza elected Hamas, and now they're reaping the rewards of their ill-advised choice.  It's harsh, but it's true.  At least the opposition (can't remember thier name) was secular and just wanted peace.

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I simply meant to suggest that such "other factors" mean that Israel has a large responsibility in causing a situation under which terrorism flourishes. Not that that Hamas are doing a good thing.

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The longer this goes on, the worse it gets for everyone involved.

Hamas fights dirty, attacks in civilian clothes, hides weapon caches in schoolyards and hospitals, and surrounds itself with human shields whenever possible. Their tactics are cowardly and low, and the sooner they're out of power, the better off the Palestinians will be.

That said, Israel won't succeed in that by blasting through the human shields, which is what they've been doing. Twice last week, they blew up marked schools full of refugees to take out one guy on the roof. And the second time, the guy wasn't even there. In the last two weeks, Israel has killed over 850 Palestinians — and by Doctors Without Borders' count, half of them have been women and children. To put that into perspective, Hamas' rockets have killed 17 Israelis since 2002. Even if you assume that all the men killed in Israel's campaign were blackhearted terrorists, that still means that Israel has killed 141 times as many civilians — in the past two weeks — as Hamas kills in a year. "Trigger-happy" doesn't begin to describe it.

And Hamas' leaders are kicking back and laughing about it, because as bad as they are, this bombing campaign makes Israel look worse. Israel's like an angry bull, and Hamas is the matador, waving the red cape, provoking it into charging and trampling everything in its way, and then yanking the cape back and getting away clean.

What does anyone expect all this violence to accomplish?

Grombar SMASH!

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I think in the end, we have to place most of the blame for this on Hamas - part of their tactic is to make Israel commit these acts of violence to gain public favor.  They call it their "CNN Strategy" - make Israel look barbaric to curry world favor.  How should Israel respond?

 

Let them fire more missiles?

That's an un-answered act of agression, and invites further attacks.

 

Send in ground troops?

That would be a meat grinder for soldiers.

 

Negotiate?

Hamas has in its mission statement the complete and utter destruction of Israel.  You can't negotiate with that.

 

Air Strikes?

This saves Israeli lives, and defends their soverignty, at least, but still causes what we're seeing on TV today.  It's the best possible choice for Israel, but it's still a bad one.

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I have to agree with you. Nothing will be accomplished.

What Israel should do is move the border fence 10 yards into gaza after every hundred missiles... and move it back up until its current location about 1 yard for every month with less then a hundred and 5 yards for every month with no missiles...

eventually either the missiles will stop or they wont be able to reach anyone... obviously people will scream LAND GRABBERS... but as long as they don't build anything on that land it should be fine...

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The only problem is that moving border fences is very difficult...

 

Otherwise, I think you're being too generous to Hamas.  You'd allow them to get away with 99 missiles a month and still be making gains?  I can see perhaps 20 missiles, to allow for some crazy elements, but 99 missiles a month is a bit extreme.

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I think one very important aspect which has been overlooked here is the resentment towards western powers (more or less U.S.) in supporting Israel and generally screwing over the entire region. Think about it Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. militatry aid, and the U.S. continuaslly vetoes UN resolutions calling for a halt in Israel opperations in Gaza. Im not meining to point the finger at the U.S. here (although really they need to calm down) but I think its a much overlooked asspect of the conflict. Its not just Hamas getting pissed off with Israel, it's also Hamas getting pissed off with western imperialism; it's impact on the region, as well as its support and funding for Israel.

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Someone in the last discussion said it best: They're both butt nuggets.

Hamas always provokes Israel, Israel always takes the bait, people always get killed in the crossfire, and nothing changes.

Grombar SMASH!

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 Say what you want about Carter, he has been right about this issue since day one. The article below will explain exactly what is going on. There is much more you don't know about the issue, and much more I don't know about. Like who started this, and who provoked who.

http://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/gaza_010809.html

 But whoever wrote "They're both butt nuggets" is correct.

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He has changed his standpoint so many times that from the begining could only mean the current standpoint... hmm didn't he go senile recently? considering how often his 'facts' are wrong I would think the answer would be yes he is senile...

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Oh religion... you never fail me. Well except for that one time you failed me... and every moment since then. Hmm, lemme retry.

 

Oh religion... what a massive failure.

Yep, that's about right.

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One day there was a guy who took his sister to town. "We are going to have fun", he said to her. In his bag he had all kinds of fireworks.
Once they were inside the city, he looked for a crowd. "Now watch this", he said to his little sister. "Those explosions you will see in a moment don't really hurt people. They screem because they are having fun!"
After a couple of rockets fired into the crowd, people ran away and others lay on the ground bleeding. Policeofficers started coming to the scene. The guy did not think long and started firing his rockets at them. "Stop doing that!" yelled the officers at him. One of the officers got a rocket in his eyes. He lay bleeding on the ground, asking for medics. Still the guy would not stop. His sister started to cry, she understood this was no game. "Stop or we will shoot!" the policeofficers yelled at the man. Still he continued firing his rockets. Then he saw one of the officers take aim at him. The moment the gun fired he grabbed his sister and held her in front of him. All people watched in horror when they saw the little girl getting hit by the policebullet that was meant for the criminal ...
Since the criminal was from another town, immediately some people who came from the same town as he, started screaming that the policeofficer killed his sister on purpose. "He only wanted to defend his sister by holding her close to him", so they shouted ... forgetting about all the people on the ground wounded and one killed by the fireworks.

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There once was a man from Nantucket....

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So is the guy Hamas? And is his sister Gaza? That makes sense I guess, buy why is he "from another town"? And who are the other people from this other town?

Oh shit, I'm overanalyzing this, aren't I? The moral of the story is don't play with fireworks, or little girls will get killed.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Close. The Man is Hamas, the Sister is the Civlians in Gaza, and 'the other town' is meant to be Gaza.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

That entire story was a GROSS over simplification of the situation, and in no way supports your previous claims.

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 No, you think too small. Not only was it a gross oversimplification, it was a disgusting series of leaving out facts. Mainly considering why the man would fire fireworks into the crowd. Also the fact that the people in the town died is the biggest lie in the story. Plus there is another problem, why would only one girl die why dozens in the town did. It doesn't work that way.

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Yeah your right.

"Then he saw one of the officers take aim at him."

Should really be something like

"Then he saw 50 of the officers fire machine guns into the crowd."

and

"All people watched in horror when they saw the little girl getting hit by the policebullet that was meant for the criminal ..."

Should really be something like "All the people watched in horror when they saw the 100+ civilians get hit by the 500000 bullets 'meant' for the criminal....."

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Hell yeah! I normally don't take one side exclusively in any conflict, especially not one as complicated as this, but I'm with Israel all the way. Somebody has to win this, because neither side is backing down, and I hope it's Israel.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

I don't see that either side has the moral high ground anymore.  It's like a Bully and a Thug doing whatever they can to hurt the other, in the name of "protecting" themselves.  It's just escalating violence at its finest.  There will be no winners, no "right" side.  They only have the option of both accepting responsibility, or keep blaming each other.  And even if they can agree to share guilt, they have generations of resentment ahead of them regardless.

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I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, I just don't agree with said opinion. Be biased; be my guest. But blaming Israel for everything not only ignores the history of the situation, but is a position that will never lead to peace. Neither side is soley responsible for the violence, but most of it could be avoided if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel.

Whether Israel 'goated' them into it or not, the rockets *don't acomplish anything*--they just bring more violence down on the Palestinian heads. And it's the civilians who elected Hamas that bear the brunt of it.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 Well I don't support Hamas, they are idiots and they don't deserve to be in power. BUT!!! I can understand why they are doing what they are doing. Imagine being trapped inside a prison, the population only grows, but the prison gets smaller. You have been trapped in said prison for 60 years, and the warden decides now is a good time to thin the population and neglect them from having any luxury. You get where I am going with this. Would you want to help a group that wants to try to get rid of the warden? Naturally.

Palestinians had two choices, one is a peaceful protest while the other is to strike back. Note how I said strike back (Because Israel was the first to fire rockets into Gaza, specifically the tunnels which brought supplies into Gaza). A peaceful protest would work, though Israel would likely try to kill the protesters, the world would denounce Israel and eventually strike in unison against the tyrannical being of Israel. Though I myself denounce violence, I denounce Israel's action against the Palestinian people.

 

Let's not reply to DarkSaber, it is obvious that it is Devo with another name.

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Peaceful protets would not have done much.  

Israel was pretty clear that they would blockade Gaza till the population overthrew thier duely elected goverment.

I'm guessing next time there is a cease fire, Hamas will remember to add 'blockade counts as a violation' to the text since that is their current gripe.

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 Actually it was part of the ceasefire. Part of the agreement incuded Israel sending in humanitarian aid into Gaza without blockades. Israel did not follow that part exactly, considering they only sent in a portion of what was needed and agreed upon.

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One thing i'm trying to work out is a timeline of the events... what accured first, the lacking aid, or the continued rocket attacks. From what i've read i don't think the rocket attacks ever fully stopped; they were severly reduced, but never stopped completely... while it's true that Hamas militant themselves may not have been responcible for the attacks that remained, it seemed clear they were not doing enough to stop them; i think i recall it being said that Hamas refused to patrol the borders... essentially rockets were still flying and Hamas wasn't doing anything to stop them... Depending on what happened when, the lacking aid and such was a reaction to the continued rocket attacks; but that is something i could be wrong abou

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You are probably on to something there.

I get the impression the rockets never really stopped, but there was not much Hamas could do about that.  I think people tend to forget just how little power Hamas really has.  We are so used to governments that have pretty absolute authority over their territory that we have trouble grasping how you would have to operate within a government that does not, esp with a people who are used to tribal rule (and thus have no concept of central authority in the first place).

I would wager that Hamas has next to no real control over the rockets, but keeps out of their way in order to not conflict with the small groups that are sending them out (thus further weakening thier hold) and at the same time taking credit so they can boost their approval ratings with their own people.

Heh.  This would make a great game to build a simulation around.

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Well i would say that Hamas themselves are behind most of the rocket attacks from before and towards the end of the cease fire... the rockets that continued during the ceasefire however were the work of smaller groups which, while not part of Hamas, are still under the responcibility of Hamas seeing as they are the government in that area

If this is indeed the case, then in a sense it would be unfair to blame Hamas for the rocket attacks during the ceasefire without first understanding what level of control hamas is capable of... if they are incapable of dealing with the rockets then it is unfair to blame them, but if they are capable (or atleast capable of doing more) but unwilling then their inaction is enough to earn them blame. They are the local government and as such it is their responcibility to police the small groups for the sake of maintain their promises in the treaty... frankly, Hamas being unwilling to patrol the border is enough for me to jump to the conclusion that Hamas COULD have done more about the rocket attacks but were unwilling; they simply sat on their hand and let the smaller groups do as they pleased and only got up to say they condemn what those groups do

 

I am curious about the possibility of having the same ceasefire treaty as before but have UN troops assist in the patrol of the border to make sure to an end of the rocket attacks... with the UN troops there, then israel could get some level of security that Hamas is not launching rockets themselves and that methods are in place to halt the continued rocket attacks... but how much the UN troops are capable of doing or whether or not Hamas would even allow their troops in just to patrol the border are complete unknowns to me.

[edit] seems i got my answer... turns out Hamas will not except any kind of foreign troops... though grant it, that was in regards to policing the egyptian border for smuggling, but i think it's safe to assume that the same would be said for the israeli border to stop rockets... though i should also add the egypt aswell will not allow foriegn forces to help stop the smuggling... and also that Israeli officials do not think an international force could get the job done

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Wanna bet? I'm a familiar-ish person round here, not to mention the fact I've been in a flame war with him stalking me for the last week. Sorry if once again reality seems to be contradicting your fluffy little fantasy world.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 I'll agree with that, the rockets aren't accomplishing anything at all.  They make the Israelies afraid, and so the Israeli army responds (overreacts?).

 

It's a huge Charlie Foxtrot, IMO.

 

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The rocket attacks are not designed to do much, at least from an offensive perspective.

But they do keep certian people in power, and they do give people the feeling that they are doing SOMETHING.

One of the problems with dealing with Hamas is thier leadership has been pretty much wiped out, so you've got lots of little leaders trying to build up political capital through 'doing things'.  Classic instablity once you remove the ruling class of a group.   This is also why, in general, durring war you do not go after the leaders.. a headless beast is too unstable and difficult to build any kind of peace with.  In order for peace to EVER build with Hamas they will need new rulers to bubble up and feel secure in their place.. then THOSE rulers will have an interest in peace.  Right now none of Hamas's leadership has anything to gain from peace and not much to loose (at all).

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I don't think Israel is over-responding at all. Hamas being no good at making attacks particularly effective shouldn't excuse them what they are doing, the intention to cause death and damage is there, they just suck at it.

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Well maybve the 100 or so survivors will have learnt a valuable lesson when it comes to rebuilding their government: Don't put terrorists in charge.

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Dude, You probably didn't realize this, but you just quoted the logic behind the 9/11 attacks.

Last I checked, the US didn't roll over and play dead.

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 1850 - high score!

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Is that your score or an update on how many Arabs Israel has killed so far? 

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 Just my score.  I'm too far removed and far too indifferent to pick a side in the conflict, and celebrating death is morbid, especially when neither side is entirely "right" IMO.

 

Can you beat 1850?

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Celebrating death is morbid, but I bet you play violent computer games, right?

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 Oh yeah, I do.  That's FAKE death.  You can't laugh and say "Oh Ho!  I died again!" in real life.

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EZK: I am cutting this discussion here.

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Dammit, I hate it when a Pro-Israeli person says that. "We have to defend ourselves" is such a bull**** especially with the missile defence systems Israel has. Something is clearly ommitted from the game is when Israel bombed Palestinian tunnels breaking the ceasefire. The other thing that is ommitted is Israel goating Hamas into sending rockets their way (Part of the ceasefire was to send in supplies to Gaza, and Israel only delivered 20%, then 15%). They also don't show Israeli planes dropping leaflets telling people to go to a UN school, in which Israel would bomb said school. They don't show that. They don't show the murder of the Red Cross' truck drivers. They don't show the children in Gaza being amputated from a bomb that was supposedly going to hit a Hamas target, even though there were none there from the start. They don't show all of this, and I wonder why (Sarcasm for those who don't know).

Plus this game sucks.

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Okay, wait... Are you suggesting that Israel is *intentionally* targeting civilians?

What the hell purpose would that serve? To target civillians, Israel would bring international scorn on themselves and forfeit the moral highground. It makes no strategic sense, unless the Israelis just have a craving for wanton murder.

You're so full of crap it must be infecting your brain.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

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Because their entire mantra is 'if we hurt and demoralize them enough they will stop fighting back'.

Killing civilians demoralizes a population.

They are choosing thier targets carefully, and no general in the field is stupid enough to believe that using a gunship on an apartment building in the middle of the night in order to kill some commander is anything other then an attempt to show how much you can hurt your opponent.

Israel knows full well they can never win by kiling military targets, just like Hamas knows that they will never be strong enough TOO attack military targets, so both sides are trying to inflict hurt where it gets the best payoff... hit civilians, show how thier government can't protect them, hope that the outrage causes a shift in politics and ousts the leaders in favor of someone more sympatetic to the other side.

So yes, it makes perfect strategic sense. 

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maybe in your head...

In everyone else’s, if Israel thought that way then it would start that genocide all of Israel’s opponents always dream and talk about...

Israel is doing what it can, taking out as many military targets as it can before it once again withdraws... it needs to show its strength before the stronger neighbors with whom it has been at war since they attacked in the 40s decide to test out its defenses themselves instead of just sending their old missiles to hamas... unfortunately in the middle of a war zone civilians get killed and mistakes get made... which is why war is always the wrong choice...

The thing is that when thousands of missiles rain down upon you, you have to realize that YOU ARE IN A STATE OF WAR, and you have better respond...

Its not that I agree with Israel’s methods its just that I think they have no choice but to respond... if they don't then they will get killed...

 

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 While Israel may need to respond, HOW they respond is a different matter. Once again i say that one of the major problems with the israeli offensive is their use of bombings to attack the militants. 

If you are dealing with a hostage situation you do not just blow up the hostages along with the enemy... grant it that's not a perfect analogy; on the downside their is no negotiating with the enemy to free the hostages as they are more like human shields so the militants have no plans to release them, but on the upside, the enemy is not threatening to kill the hostages themselves so that gives you little reason to not resort to forceful methods

Fact is, if the israeli military was using infantry to take out the militants instead of explosives, their would be far fewer civilian casualties. Just today their is a report that an israeli mortar hit a UN school killing 40 civilians... the reason there was mortar fire landing near the school was because their was militants attacking with mortar fire themselves near the school... Had the israeli's used infantry to attack the militants, the school would not have gotten caught in the cross fire... ya there is more of a chance those militants might have been able to escape, but the alternative was the lives of those 40 civilians

The militants are using very cowardly and dispictable tactics, but the israeli military is allowing those tactics to work with their choice of methods... using infantry may not be seen as "effective" as bombings, but you can be sure that there would be far less civilian casualties

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Your hostage situation analogy is worthless; a hostage situation assumes that they have people that need to be rescued.  Palestine is a country that willingly elected a terrorist government, there's no innocent hands in this. 

Why should Israel put their infantry, one of the best in the world, at risk just to find no one?   I don't know if you understand this, but these operations have gone on so long because one minute a man can heft an RPG and launch it into Israel, and the next the RPG is in a trash can and he's a citizen. It's not worth sending infantry into a country that you can't trust anyone in just so that people like you can say 'oh, Israel's doing the right thing'.

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Not only am I suggesting, I am saying it. Ask yourself, why would they bomb a UN school (Where the UN told the Palestinians to go to a UN area for protection)? Why would they bomb suburbs where there were no reported Hamas "terrorists" (Put in quotations considering they were voted in place).

Do I know why? Hell no, because I am naive and cannot comprehend why they would, I'm too good a person. But I do know that they goated Hamas into launching the "Devastating" and "Large-Scale" rockets with the trade deal Israel broke.

A theory though, why they didn't get away with it this time is the availability of information. Last time they were "pre-emptively" attacked, they did not show the damage in Lebanon or Israel. For good reason too, they did not want to show the scale of damage done. But now, we do have information and video footage. We do have the pictures of the children dying in Gaza, we do have the pictures of the Hamas rockets doing no damage in Israel. We do have that information.

 

But most importanly, we have the sequence of events, unlike last time in which we didn't. But why are they bombing Gaza? I don't know, they probably want to commit genocide, just to get more land. But the PR battle is a losing one, Israel won't win because we know too much. Similar to religion, but that is a different story.

 
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Andrew EisenI'm not keen on blind links. What is it?04/18/2014 - 3:45pm
Matthew Wilsonthis is worth a whatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyXcr6sDRtw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C904/18/2014 - 3:43pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 3: Night Dive was brought to the attention of the public by a massive game recovery, and yet most of their released catalogue consists of games that other people did the hard work of getting re-released.04/17/2014 - 8:46pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 2: If Humongous Entertainment wanted their stuff on Steam, why didn't they talk to their parent company, which does have a number of games published on Steam?04/17/2014 - 8:45pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 1: When Night Dive spent the better part of a year teasing the return of true classics, having their big content dump be edutainment is kind of a kick in the stomach.04/17/2014 - 8:44pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jeff-gerstmann-heads-to-new-york-takes-questions/1100-4900/ He talks about the future games press and the games industry. It is worth your time even though it is a bit long, and stay for the QA. There are some good QA04/17/2014 - 5:28pm
IanCErm so they shouldn't sell edutainment at all? Why?04/17/2014 - 4:42pm
MaskedPixelanteNot that linkable, go onto Steam and there's stuff like Pajama Sam on the front-page, courtesy of Night Dive.04/17/2014 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenOkay, again, please, please, PLEASE get in a habit of linking to whatever you're talking about.04/17/2014 - 4:05pm
MaskedPixelanteAnother round of Night Dive teasing and promising turns out to be stupid edutainment games. Thanks for wasting all our time, guys. See you never.04/17/2014 - 3:44pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the consequences were not only foreseeable, but very likely. anyone who understood supply demand curvs knew that was going to happen. SF has been a econ/trade hub for the last hundred years.04/17/2014 - 2:45pm
Andrew EisenMixedPixelante - Would you like to expand on that?04/17/2014 - 2:43pm
MaskedPixelanteWell, I am officially done with Night Dive Studios. Unless they can bring something worthwhile back, I'm never buying another game from them.04/17/2014 - 2:29pm
PHX Corphttp://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/video-games-continue-to-break-the-mold-229561923638 Ronan Farrow Daily on Video games breaking the mold04/17/2014 - 2:13pm
 

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