New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning Labels to Video Games

January 12, 2009 -

A California Congressman with a long history of targeting video games for legislation is at it again.

Last week Rep. Joe Baca (D) introduced H.R. 231, a bill which would require that warning labels be placed on any game rated T (13 and older) or higher by the ESRB. Baca's bill is titled "The Video Game Health Labeling Act of 2009."

Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) co-sponsored the measure which would apply to both packaged and digitally distributed games. The bill has been referred to the House Energy & Commerce Committee.

As reported by the San Bernardino Sun:

[The bill] creates a new rule within the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which forces games with a Teen rating or higher to be sold with a simple warning label, reading: "WARNING: Excessive exposure to violent video games and other violent media has been linked to aggressive behavior."

While Baca has proposed several video game-oriented bills in Congress over the years, none have passed. Lately, he seems to have focused his attention on the ESRB rating process.

In 2007 Baca introduced a bill which would have required the Federal Trade Commission to report on the ESRB's effectiveness.

UPDATE: Rep. Baca's office has issued a press release on H.R. 231, including these comments from the Congressman:

The video game industry has a responsibility to parents, families, and to consumers – to inform them of the potentially damaging content that is often found in their products. They have repeatedly failed to live up to this responsibility.  Meanwhile research continues to show a proven link between playing violent games and increased aggression in young people.  American families deserve to know the truth about these potentially dangerous products.

We must hold the video game industry accountable and do everything in our power to ensure parents are aware of the detrimental effects that violent games can have before making decisions on which games are appropriate for their children to play. I am proud to introduce the Video Game Health Labeling Act of 2009, and am hopeful my legislation can work to stop the growing influence of violent media on America’s children and youth.


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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Just out of curiosity... We don't really have a lot of guns up here in Canada... are there warning labels on guns?

To me, just firing a gun is an act of violence.  And by that reasoning, the ownership of a gun causes violent behaviour.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

No, there are no warning labels on guns.

I wouldn't agree with you on violent behaviour just cause you own a gun, i have several and rarely commit violence against anyone at all, ever, so your logic is flawed.

Now I do have a dog that does really stupid crap, and that pisses my off and i spank her on the ass till she runs and hide under the coffee table, so i think pet ownership = violence :P

I did almost get into a big fist fight with my brother-in-law but that was only because he almost killed my sister so i think that was justified.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

no warnings on guns, but a signed statement saying you do know the dangers of using a gun (least in my area i had to sign one. Especially if you go for a pistol license)

i'm not big on the banning, but some training should be needed IMHO so that people are informed at least of the dangers, and proper handling (check the chamber even if you know its unloaded, never point at a person, etc...)

much like getting a drivers license and having to go through all that shmup detailing road rules, and dangers of driving in bad situations (bad weather, drunk, fatigued, etc..)

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I don't mean to imply that guns aren't tools.  I'm actually pretty ignorant when it comes to American Gun Culture.  I'm just curious.  And in fact I support gun ownership by people who are responsible.  I didn't say that owning a gun encouraged violence... I said that owning a gun caused (in the same way that he says games do in his bill) to violent behaviour (firing it).

Anyway, I believe that in order for a person to be responsible, they must be educated, healthy and feel safe.  Things that seem to be horribly mishandled in the last 8 years (IMO).

Makese you wonder why drugs are illegal.  Drugs are only really dangerous in the hands of people who can't control themselves.  Marilyn Manson once said "Those that abuse drugs, make those who use drugs look bad".  I tend to agree with him.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

heh thats what i'm saying, a little knowledge goes a long way :p

my dads biggest complaint is that these days people don't teach their kids to (as he puts it) RESPECT the weapon (guns). they aren't tought when young, or youngish to understand the dangers of the gun and how to treat it properly or with "respect" as was in his day (he's had a shotgun since he was 13)

like i said above, i never had hands on experience till my military time, but i always got the lecture due to vidja game violence and movies :p

never point at a person, loaded or not. Never handle a loaded weapon unless with intent to use said weapon, never store a weapon loaded (one that many people neglect, and is how kids and others get killed, even experienced vets when they go to clean their gun can forget a loaded shell and basic safety (check the chamber before handling, or handing off) then BANG, someone takes a shot to the face/foot/ceiling whatever) etc...

heh i like how they ban marjuana as a "gateway drug" but not tobbacco, despite its the first base in the run for things like marijuana.

 

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

A gun is only a weapon when used against the living. Otherwise its a tool.

Akin to how the Mind dissmissing logic and reason when its under used, dissing you BTW, I am targeting PC zero thought nazis and Moralists.


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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

its also still a tool when used in the way of law enforcement, military operations, and hunting.

its a tool yes, but a weapon too irregardless in a persons hands and should be treated as such with caution, its only a DANGEROUS weapon when misused, or your on the wrong end and/or doing the wrong thing with it.

i mean, you wouldn't swing a knife around like its a baton twirler would ya?

i think my dad hits the nail on the head when he complains its complacency and misinformed stupidity that causes people to think guns alone are dangerous. you RESPECT the gun and treat it with caution no matter what. the gun alone is nothing more than a hunk of metal, but in the hands of an individual it can become a very dangerous weapon.

its dangerous on its own, but the chance of a gun misfireing on its own is as likely as a properly fitted tire falling off your car.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Its a tool thats no more dangerous than a car,chainsaw or power tool. The thought of its bad lets ban it is flawed for humanity is bad shall we ban it?

Resoanbleness is lost on moral cresaders who beliver in the absolution of all things human.


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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

you can't exactly compare it with those, as they aren't designed to kill on purpose. guns are tools MEANT for the purpose of KILLING (be it hunting, defense, or otherwise). and as such with sword, bows/arrows, it is a weapon.

a better comparison would be swords, tanks, or bombs. On their own, their harmless, but in the wrong hands...

but even a car, chainsaw, or power tool can be used (and are often so) for killing as a weapon. ANYTHING can be a weapon, but only certain TOOLS are DESIGNED for the purpose.

i'm not against guns (i own an AK myself, and seek to get other firearms), but to think of them as merely a harmless tool is to open the doors for complacency that could lead to a mistake in handling the firearm. (such as the kid that decided to play some RL halo and forgot to check the chamber)

so i DO agree in keeping them from untrained hands where they can become dangerous, but outright banning isn't in my thoughts.

 

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

and just like with cigerettes its all a theory thats 100% unproven.

at least the government warning labels will be consistant in being nothing more than scare tactics to fear monger a few more votes by pretending theiy care in a "no truth here, move along" sorta manner.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

I think a better comparison would be vaccines being linked to Autism.  There is no real proof, just a bunch of anecdotal evidence, and there are a bunch of nutjobs who insist it's true no matter what evidence to the contrary you show them.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

i've got a better one but if i posted that i'd be insta banned i'm sure :) i DO love a good contraversy.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Actually, I think you're talking about second hand smoke.  Cigarettes are clinically proven to be damaging to your health.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

true true.

but the cancer thing is 100% still in theory, they've no solid evidence of it, yet claim it as a fact.

my great grandpa died at 93, worked the coal mines and smoked straight pipe tobacco since he was 13. even had a massive case of black lung, but no cancer.

but what doesn't cause cancer these days? i mean we've already black listed half of life, next thing you know oxygen will be a cause of some kind of lung or brain cancer right?   or i know, FARTS! lets have farts cause cancer next! where do i go to raise fart cancer awareness? lets claim it causes butt cancer! hah!

IMHO all that time wasted blasting tobacco should be spent on something that, i dunno, actually kills people. like alchohol. just some true awareness, not a bleeding poster or two. I mean you can find more complaints about tobacco and only a few against alchohol, a true poison of the most literal sense. even when i was in school years ago they BARELY touched on the alchoholism thing but blasted tobbaco. most signs, posters billboards, even commercials are all about how tobbacco smoke kills, but few show the truth behind drunk driving, or alchohol poisoning, or even mention other debilitating issues of getting drunk.

i like my whiskey, but come on, i think a bottle of crown will kill me a LOT faster than a lifetime of ciggaretes (actually i don't smoke, but better to claim me than plaster someone else). its PROVEN fact that booze can kill (blood loss, poisoning, drunk driving, etc...) as opposed to the theory of cancer from ciggaretes. i do believe my whiskey is a bit more deadly than a ciggarette puff, and it stinks much worse (in the end.. hah get it! bad pun intended) :)

i strike it mostly from a key note of being an ex sailor, my time in the navy revealed a LOT about alchoholism i never knew before hand. and i've had to stand my fair share of "drunk watches" over idiots that would nearly kill themselves after getting wasted (one guy from a head injury after falling onto a towel rack, and another from punching a hole into a wire meshed window and nearly severing a major artery within 1/10 of an inch all the way from wrist to elbow)

ya just don't hear about a lot of this stuff from public outlets and media. i mean whats more likely to push a person to murder or suicide? a ciggarette or booze? yeah the age limit on the two is differant, booze being higher, but does that make it any less generalized as a "good" thing to the younger crowd seeing it openly praised by many, especially at sporting events and the like?

 

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Without getting into your anti-alcohol rant, you don't need a rock-solid link to lung cancer to know that cigarettes are harmful.  Ever hear of emphysema?

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

And yet another bill which gives government powers to a private entity. Unconstitutional, again. Wasted tax dollars, again. Seems to me only yesterday California was begging for money because they were experiencing another budget short fall... Oh wait...

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Not wasting money on passing unconstitutional bills and then being sued by affected parties to have the bill struck down and then to pay for both sides' lawyer fees is a good way to eliminate wasteful spending.

See also: Not being stupid.

 

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

 Oh, for pity's sake.

We have a ratings system already, one that it clearer and more comprehensive than its equivalent in film. This sort of thing is what it is for. There is no need to augment it further.

Baca, either try and solve a real problem or hand your political seat over to somebody who will.

/b

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Hear hear! The whole point of rating a game "T" is to suggest that it might not be appropriate for people under a certain age... It's the worst kind of redundancy to make them add a separate warning label.

 

*EDIT* Besides, not every "T+" rated game is for violence... What would happen if they slapped a "May lead to aggressive behavior" on, say, the Sims2...? That's T-rated mostly for blurred out nudity etc.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

 

Wow!

Inconceivable! A mere warning label would easily keep people from buying these horrible games and saving the moral degredation of the USA!

Yes! I see it now, something that really makes more sense....Joe Baca...he's...a moron! Glad he's in California; not that Washington reps are any better!

I think his proposed bill needs a warning label for making me violent. I played Fallout 3 all weekend and didn't feel any agressive behavior from it...infact, my roommate caught me giggling like the Joker after I knocked an Enclave solider off a cliff side with the Victory Rifle. It was really funny because he landed on a Deathclaw.
 

Hmmm, maybe watching Batman: The Animated Series made me violent...we'd better act fast to put a label on it so I don't become like those corrupt and incompetent politicians!

 

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

How about this as a replacement one?

 

Warning: The contents of this game might lead to something happening somwhere if there was already a good chance of it happening and there is a statistical possibility of it being negative.

Or not, frankly we're not quite sure at this point

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Hehe I enjoy the sarcasm but games have shown their ugly face that's for sure. I know I barely quit my WoW addiction so it would be a bit safer to take these things seriously.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

*WARNING*  PLaying this video game could cause you to be sued by Jack Thompson  :D

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

I like this warning label. It should be applied to everything, and i mean EVERYTHING, just switch out "game" with whatever its on. I want it on a t-shirt :P

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

That's a great idea, we can put images of violent games onto a T shirt (even if it's just the box art) along with the caption.

"Warning: The contents of this T-Shirt might lead to something happening somwhere if there was already a good chance of it happening and there is a statistical possibility of it being negative."

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Nah that'd still make it more expensive to print the labels, remember thse things are going to be on EVERYTHING, it'll have to be more generic, "Exposure to this item" perhaps?

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

"Warning: Might cause head explodey."

 

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Congressman Joe Baca:

EZK: Snipped contact information. I know it is public information, but let others find it themselves.

write, call, have others do the same.  bills should not be based on LIES.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

I think I owe a bit more of an explaination. It would be pointless for all of us to contact Baca himself. He likely won't be swayed by people who are not in his district and thus cannot vote for or against him in any election.

It would be better served for each of us to contact our own Congressman and asked them to kill this one in its infancy.

Here is alink for that:

http://www.house.gov/

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Excellent point EZK.  That would be a much better response.  Keep it polite and factual too.  Congressfolks rarely pay much attention to rants (do that here ).

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Re: New "Bill" in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Yet another unconstitutional pile of garbage from an idiot that's failed multiple times to get any traction on this dead issue.

There is simply no concrete evidence/absolute proof whatsoever that there is any harm from playing a "violent" video game, regardless of what the anti-game mafia claims.

Please feel free to use our tax dollars for better things, like the Morganza to the Gulf hurricane protection levees for SE Louisiana, as well as restoring the wetlands in Louisiana.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Once again, Mr. Baca proves he fits in the definition of baka, which is Japanese fro moron or idiot.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

You stole my joke!  CURSE YOU, VILLAIN!

 

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Nightwing had it right.  If you're going to put a warning label on something that might cause someone to become violent, then you might as well put warning labels on every form of popular entertainment.  Again, as with just about every other proposed video game law, this runs afoul of both the 1st and 14th Amendment as it is singling out one particular fomr of media.  I'm surprised at how after many years so many politicians, particularly this asshole, continually fail to grasp that.  Then again, we know now that politicians, by their own admission, don't particularly care wether a bill is legal or not as they prefer to let the courts decide that.

 

Let me look into my crystal ball here.  I see...this bill...going nowhere.  Just like all the others Congress proposed that have come before it.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

There is no "might as well" about it, it's "must". All media or none, nothing less is constitutional.

 

 

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

hey do you get The History Channel on that thing...?

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

What are the chances of this bill passing?

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

So slim no microscope, regardless of how strong, can see just how slim. I say slim instead of Absolute Zero b/c there's always the chance that somehow, some way, it might pass. If it does pass, ten to one it gets struck down.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

My god, those @#$*%ing nitwits. So they are supporting something that is unfounded and unproven to "save the children"? Literally there are hundreds of millions of gamers that grew up through the 80's and 90's...how many serial killers were made? I can tell you that I was born 83, and I have never commited a violent crime...

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

I think it is about time that someone introduces a bill that would start a monitoring service. Everytime that a person buys a video game, that person should have to register in a federally controlled database that will be used to monitor that persons activities. This database will be cross referenced with the FBI's and the CIA's criminal database, the database used when performing background checks when purchasing firearms.

Eventually, if the gamer situation becomes too dangerous, we can start rounding these video gamers into camps so that they can be better observed and seperated from the common populous.

After all, these games and the people who play them are dangerous.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

You know.. being seperated from the common populous actually doesn't sound half bad...

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Jack? did you hijack Knight's account?

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Nah, EZK's just being sarcastic.  Sadly, we really are just one bill away from Eagle Eye and Demolition Man.

Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

If that happened, the piracy rate of video games would be around 100%  ;)

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

Can you imagine what a video game speak easy would be like? I smell riches.

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Re: New Bill in Congress Would Add Cigarette-like Warning

I can see it now. (Wall of text follows)

Somewhere in the U.S. (or perhaps Germany)

*knock knock*

Open up this is the police, we got word there's violent video games in there.

(silently) Oh shi-. Err come on in, I'm sure you won't find a problem

*man presses a button on the wall activating a silent alarm*

Several flights down, people are panicking, several shouts of 'Dump the Counter Strike' are heard.

A revolving door replaces a time crisis machine with a DDR one.

Several violent games are ejected out of consoles put into a box dropped through a hole and  soccer games and other such nonviolent fare is popped in.

The police arrive

"What have we here? I've been hearing all sorts of rumors about this place, hear there's all sorts of violent games in here."

"I don't see any violent games."

"I heard you had time crisis back there where that machine is."

*walks to the DDR and starts feeling around*

"I don't think I can fit time crisis between the wall and the arcade machine."

"Wise guy eh? You know DDR is a pretty violent game what with all the foot stomping."

"It hasn't been banned has it?"

"No not yet, but I'd keep your nose clean."

*Police walks arounds*

"What exactly do you need all the consoles for?"

"Soccer games of course."

"Those wouldn't be the new ones with the hidden soccer riot mode would it?"

"They only sell those in Britain, it's a seperate sport over there."

"And you didn't import any?"

"No."

"And what about all these computers, what exactly are you playing ... Nascar? I thought you hated that game."

"Well my customers seem to enjoy a good Lan party."

"I bet they do."

"You wouldn't mind if I check the memory do you?"

"Hey I thought we were friends. Didn't you get the fruit basket I sent you?"

"No I didn't, now stand aside."

"Hey pal don't you need a warrant for that?"

"Yeah but we're among friends, you wouldn't have anything on there more violent than GTA: Realisitc Consequences would you?"

"No."

"Then you won't mind right"

"...Right"

the cop searches through the console memeories, finds nothing incriminating, then leaves. Those in attendance stare flabbergasted at the joint's owner, wondering why he didn't find anything. With a smile the man takes a flash drive out of his pocket and shows it to the crowd. After 5 minutes they resume their activity.

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Epic WIN!

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Lol. The demand for illegal bathtub Halo would go through the roof.

 
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MaskedPixelanteOK, is GP having trouble loading for anyone but me?12/25/2014 - 9:21pm
Matthew Wilsonits a bunch of script kiddies. ddosing is one of the easiest thing to do,and most companies can not stop it sadly.12/25/2014 - 5:05pm
MaskedPixelanteI like Nintendo as much as the next person, they're pretty much the only company putting out the games I want to play, but that was pretty embarassing to have NNID go down due to overuse.12/25/2014 - 4:35pm
MaskedPixelanteSee? It's NOT a repeat of last year's fiasco.12/25/2014 - 4:22pm
PHX CorpLizard squad is responsible for The XBL/PSN shutdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSpZvsoWvig12/25/2014 - 4:17pm
IanCOh shut up bitching about Nintendo. At least they advised people to downloading updates before the big day. Sony/MS? Not a peep.12/25/2014 - 3:50pm
 

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