NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and Profanity in Games

January 13, 2009 -

A new legislative proposal to restrict the sale of video games portraying negative racial stereotypes and bad language has been proposed in the New York Assembly.

The measure, A01474, was submitted by Assemblyman Keith L.T. Wright, a Democrat from Manhattan. The bill, which has been referred to the Assembly's Consumer Protection and Affairs Committee:

Prohibits the sale to minors of certain rated video games containing a rating that reflects content of various degrees of profanity, racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons.

A similar bill proposed by Wright in 2007 failed to pass.

GamePolitics readers will recall that New York passed a video game law in 2008 mandating - redundantly - that game packages display ratings and that consoles offer parental control features. The video game industry did not bring a legal challenge, however, since those remedies were already in place and the law did not threaten sales.


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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Im fine with this measure.

 

As long as they apply it equally to all mediums (books movies etc).

 

 

In terms of negative racial stereotypes:

I was watchin 40 year old virgin the other day. Hell.. there is LOTS of (very funny and harmless) racial stereotyping in that between an african american and middle eastern store clerk. Hilarious. Guess you'll have to ban sales of any movies featuring things like that.

Oh and books..  I think youll have to ban probably like 50% of books that we now call 'classics' since MANY of them feature negative stereotypes for foreigners, especially non whites. 

 

In terms of bad language...

Ok.. err.. youll probably have to ban every movie ever in existence with a 12 or greater rating. Hell even some PG movies feature bad language. Guess we should only allow U rated movies from now on. 

Again.. books.. bad language... err ok..  same story.. at least bookstores could have an easier time reccommending books as you'd have to reduce their stock by about 75%.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Yet another useless video game bill.

We pay taxes, stop wasting our money dammit!!!!

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I think that Resident Evil 5 is gonna be very pointed these next months.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Nah, Capcom will just toss in a few white zombies and everythign will blow over.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

White people in Africa? They must have been there to enslave the black zombies. Goddamn racists.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

*buzzer sounds*

Wrong again! Ever hear of the Invisible Children movement?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

No what is it?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Read about it here.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Oh great, yet another politican trying to pass yet another bill thats just going to up and fail.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 Banning racist and profane games does not solve the poverty issue. Maybe if you spent the money you're going to waste on this bill on social programs. Hell, if you stop warring with innocent nations, you just might have enough for a national healthcare system.

 Oh wait, you're Americans: the poor and desperate are the lynchpin that keeps your little world from spinning off into oblivion.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Oh wait, you're Americans: the poor and desperate are the lynchpin that keeps your little world from spinning off into oblivion.

only for conservatives, I and the rest of the liberal majority want economic justice and single payer healthcare and to end the war

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Decent, though far from the best "your nation sucks" troll I've seen.  I'm sure you'll get a few bites though.

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

You know, if you don't like America leave.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 Leave what? Oh, thats right, the internet is American. There is absolutely no chance my igloo up here in Canada could have internet. Hell, I only recently got television when I properly aligned my moose.

 Douche.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 Don't give us Canadians a bad name...  

and BTW, American refers to "North America", thus Canada is included into it.

Just over time ppl got stupid and refers the US as americans, ignoring the rest of us.

 

and Canada has it's own problems, if you would leave your computer once in a while you'll notice.

like Global warming melting our igloos...

 

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 No, Americans are from the United States of America. North Americans are both the aforementioned people plus Canada. Maybe even Mexico, given they are part of NAFTA, but that may just be a technicality.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Technically, "North American" has to refer to everything from Canada all the way down to Panama. Those are all part of the "North American" continent.

U.S. citizens are called "Americans" because it's the only word that makes sense.

"United Statesian?" Nah doesn't soundright.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 We should lobby to get them renamed to the "douchebags".

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Why, feeling lonely being one of the few true douchebags here?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

So, first you insult the American government, and then you propose a method commonly used in the American government (as well as any other democratic government) to further your point. In addition, what is this "we" you speak of? The very Americans you're insulting?

For a troll, you're an idiot.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 You implying that your government is not an extension of its people? You vote in fools, they do their dance, and you refuse to take responsibility. Such is one of the downsides of a democracy, its failure is the fault of the people.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Man, you're really messed up...

If you simplify everything down to that, then, yes, you're right. People vote the highly charismatic (but lacking any common sense whatsoever) into office. These people, in turn, act on our behalf.

But, technically, we're not a democracy. We're a Democratic Republic, because we vote (Democracy) for the people to represent us (Republic). And although that representative represents all the people of an area, it doens't mean that everyone he or she represents voted for them. Also, there's the fact that even those who are too young to vote, to voice their opinion, are also represented by them.

So, when you simplify everything down to the most basic statement, you're right. But only a fool follows such a statement.

The problem, however, lies in the fact that there's more than one party, you could say, as the "backing up my own side" in politics is not unique to the United States. The biggest difference from the party system in the United States to, say, the UK is the number of parties that are represented. And, with that, comes the biggest difference in the politics within politics: having majority (US) versus having plurality (UK).

Now, even with that aside, it's impossible for any representative to accurately represent their region, because they have to, in turn, represent people that didn't vote for them, as well as people that didn't vote, can't vote, or just have different views and opinions.

On a national level, things get more complicated. Senators represent their state as a whole. Strategies and tactics are used. Dirty tricks are pulled and bargains are made.

I'm 18. I didn't elect Bush, nor would I if I had the ability to. I didn't vote Bush in for a second term, because I was only 14. I voted for Obama, because I felt as though that he could do the right things.

And here in lies your second oversimplification: the failure of democracy is "the fault of the people."

Firstly, if you really are Canadian, I wouldn't be talking if I were you (yeah, I can use Google, you know; I have Asperger's Syndrome, not a servere learning disability). Do you know how many things need to be done in order to pass a law? I mean, it can just not gain enough ground, fail in the end, get pigeonholed, vetoed, or effectively expire (in which case the bill has to go through the entire process all over again). And that's simplifying it as much as I can without leading to any misunderstandings.

You want to talk about the government? Give me your best shot. Sure, I'm only a college freshman who took AP Government & Politics, but, so far, I've listed more reasons on why any plain individual is not accountable for a politician's failure to "do the right thing" (since (without delving into illegal amtters) it's a matter of opinion, there really is no "right" thing) more times than you've said "douche," "fool," "Canada," and "moose" combined.

If you want to be a troll, at least try to be a good one. Do some research, because, so far, you seem to be the fool.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Now you're not even trying.

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Because Americans are all exactly the same with absolutely no differences, and you know because you somehow know how they all act, amirite?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Congratulations on your recent acquisition of a new television set! It must get lovely reception in Canada… Ah, Canada. I want to go there to see the lovely lakes, and to try out that wonderful telephone system I’ve heard so much about. Mostly, though, I want to see the wilderness, and the many interesting animals that Canada has to offer, including the majestic moose. Mind you, however, that moose bites can be pretty nasty, so handle your moose-antenna with care. I say this because a moose bit my sister once…

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 Meeses are mighty beasts, slayers of men you could say. If you're going 100 kph in your skidoo and hit a moose, you're dead. Maybe someone should engineer us up a moose catcher.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

"A moose bit my sister once..."

No really!  She was carving her initials on the moose with the sharpened end of an interspace toothbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and start of many Norwegian movies: "The Hot Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Horst Nordfink...

I see what you did there. :)

Took me longer than it should have to find that.

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Hey that's unfair, they also have Reindeer!

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

But only one road.

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Mynd you, moose bites can be pretti nasti...

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Homer, you ever read "Bob And George" before?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I've... not read it.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Ah, I see.

I asked because one of the villains in the comic is named "Mynd" so I figured it probably wasn't a coincidence.

Thanks for clearing it up.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

So what you're saying is that there is ZERO poverty in Canada? Not a single homeless person or hungry person? No Canadian citizen goes wanting right?

Face it, America hardly has a monopoly of poverty.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Please, Dero is just a troll and not even a very good one.  Logic and reason will be ignored in favor of flame-bait.  Either starve him or poke fun, but don't bother feeding him.

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Racist stereotypes? So if there was a thrifty Jewish character in a game called Gumdrop Land: Fairy's Reckoning it would still be banned? What about an Asian character who's good at math? A white guy who's unable to dance well?

This is unenforceable on so many levels.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 How about a white man whose a racist. That seems pretty racist to me.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Ironically, although true, I don't think that people can be racist to white people. It's really strange. Honestly, by technicality, "hispanic" isn't a race, as races are based on a common (and, therefore, stereotyped) skin color, which means that both the exclusion of hispanic from being an actual classification of race, as well as the classification system of race, are racist.

... It's something that I formulated in AP Goverment & Politics last year after learning that hispanic isn't a real racial classification (rather, it's ethnic).

Plus, I'm hispanic (1/2 Cuban, less than 3/8 Irish, less than 1/8 German, and a tiny bit of Navaho (according to my grandfather); strongest race/ethnicity= Cuban), so the fact that every hispanic I ever see in a game not only has a SPanish accent, but is also tanned in skin color (a tan that is barely noticable on myself) is also racist... Then again, I accept that there are stereotypes, and don't get offended. But someone will.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 I'm guessing they have lowered the standards for AP, seeing as hatred based on ethnicity is still well within the bounds of the definition of racism. The definition of race has surprisingly little to do with subsequent racism.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Ironically, although true, I don't think that people can be racist to white people.

Of course they can, people just tend to get away with more of the minor racism stuff against white people (like insulting slang terms) because of all the, you know... years of slavery and all that other shit we did

not that no one but white people ever did any that, we just managed to make a global economy out of it for a while and that kind of memory lasts a really long time!

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

It's more than minor stuff. I've been beaten up by a group of african americans, and what did they get? 1 day of in-school suspension, the same as myself because they claimed that I punched one of them several times in the face (who was, interestingly enough, lacking any bruse or mark). Now, if a group of white kids jump an african american, being the same exact situation as what happened to me with the exception of changes to race, what happens? The jumpers get an actual suspenscion, or more likely expelled, not only for beating up a kid, but also under the assumption that it was "racially driven."

The ironic part about racism is that it's a type of motive, but it doesn't apply to everyone. The only way to live in a truly "liberated" (for lack of a better word) world is to just stop making racism something special. It's not, however, to say as to embrace that people are racist, but as long as there's a difference between "this is racist, and this isn't," if the matter of race is a big enough issue to force certain unwritten rules in society, then society cannot, and will not, improve. (At least, that's what I believe.)

And maybe I should elaborate more on that comment... It's less of "you can't be racist" and more of "no one cares if it's racist, and no one's going to do anything about it." 

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

'I don't think that people can be racist to white people'

Go visit Japan.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Well, I was referring to "in America," but touche, sir.

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It's sad that because parents don't do their jobs; we the gamers get these laws pressed on us. I don't have a problem with a store refusing to sell a 15 year old an M rated game--that's why the rating system was made.

The problem I have is the politicians think they need to babysit the american populace.

Besides, you can't censor the real world. Kids are going to hear various degrees of profanity, racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons while they are in school.

Video games are the least of their worries!


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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Besides, you can't censor the real world. Kids are going to hear various degrees of profanity, racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons while they are in school.

 

AGREED.

Its actually GOOD kids experience it. Because then they can learn how to deal properly with it. You cant wrap kids up in cotton wool. These things happen. Its how you teach them to react to it that is important.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

What classifies as a stereotype? Derogatory language? What degrees of profanity, and how will they be classified?

 

profanity- abusive, vulgar, or irreverent language; the quality or state of being profane; profaneness; irreverence; esp., the use of profane language; blasphemy
derogatory- tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; belittling; tending to detract or diminish

It says "stereotypes" and "towards a specific group of persons," but, in reality, that classifies pretty much ANY joke that's worth laughing at. If there was a game with an athiest character that says "there is no God" to a religious character, then that can classify is irreverant (disrespectful; critical of what is generally accepted or respected; satirical), as this country is, without a doubt, a very Christian country.

But it also focuses on "certain rated video games." Wouldn't any Barbie game further a stereotype of women? Could WWII games be classified as disrespectful, for "digging up the skeletons in the closet?" Would Call of Duty 4 be disrespectful, as it has US Marines fighting terrorists in the Middle East? (A stereotype that still plagues the US, even recently with planes and all.)

Honestly, any game that has the generic "nerd" character that's poked fun at would be a stereotype. Hell, you could go as far as to say the that generic nerd stereotype casts a negative light on the Autism Spectrum Disorder known as Asperger's Syndrome (which I have, and which I could, in theory, be offended by).

I'm sorry, but my family watched The Sopranos (sp? (I didn't watch it, as I was "too young")) AND The Wire, both of which could be called into question to further stereotypes, be profane, or include derogatory statements.

In addition, they, by the wording that I can see so far, also have to protect stereotypes of sexuality. Five bucks says that, if this bill were put into place, Fable, Fable II, and MGS3/4 would be affected in some way because of the existance of homosexuality in these games, DESPITE the fact that they already shouldn't be sold to minors.

I'm sorry, but this bill is just wasted time and taxpayer money. If this were happening in my city or state, I'd write to my local politician and explain to him my concerns over the wasted efforts, as there are more important things to focus on other than further placing redunant laws to keep certain games from being bought by minors, despite that they already can't be bought by minors.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

There is allot of problems that need some help in NY, and all these people do is attack videogames and pretend they are doing something about it.

I think the lot of them need to have a new government that does some work on the REAL problems in NY.

If they tried to do that for TV shows and Movies, what will be the outcome?

 

TBoneTony

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 arrg, i knew this was going to happen...  They're get one in that does next to nothing, and here they get another one that does a little more, then they'll be another with a little more, and next thing we know the only game left on the shelves is TeleTubies.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

There are people that believe TeleTubies support people being gay...so somebody would whine about that too sadly.  Too many people hating too many things..we couldn't even be left with Pong because it would either be "too close to bong" or would be a representation of pixel on pixel violence. 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Nah, pong would be banned because it is not multicultural enough. Everything except the background is white. Thus giving the impression that only white people are important and can make a difference.

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