MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk Driving

January 16, 2009 -

Surprisingly, the head of MADD Canada has flatly dismissed a game designed to teach users the perils of DUI. As reported by the Globe and Mail, CEO Andrew Murie has "no interest" in Booze Cruise, a drunk driving simulation developed at the University of Calgary.

While MADD Canada sees no value in the game, the U.S. Army is in the process of adopting Booze Cruise as a tool to educate military personnel on the dangers of getting behind the wheel while impaired. 

MADD Canada's objection appears to be that the game lets players know - based on body weight - how much they can imbibe before becoming intoxicated. That would seem like a pretty valuable thing of which to be aware. However, Murie said:

We've spent decades telling people not to drink and drive, and this simulator, one of the skills it teaches is to drink so much, and then drive.

GP: In some ways, Murie's objection to Booze Cruise is reminiscent of the sex education vs. abstinence debate. 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Local and national news is worse reading about a drunk driver who killed X amount of people or injured so many. A few brief video clips maybe some pics in a newspaper etc. It can't compare to a video game. How about in WoW where you can kill people and other creatures. Isn't that the same as anyone else dieing? I can agree with MADD wanting to keep people from drinking and driving but it's just a cry for attention going after a video game. How about all the movies and tv shows where you see people drinking and driving? Jail isn't an answer nor is alcohol rehab some other punishment is needed for people who drive drunk so they dont do it again.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Thanks to those of you who see our point in making this game. My name is Lori Shyba and I was lead concept artist on the Booze Cruise game. One of the primary reasons that it was given a go ahead by the rest of the team *and* our Calgary Police Service partners is because of its innate message of how idiotic it is to drink and drive. The scoring system was designed to escalate insurance costs, dole out driving demerits and even put drivers in jail for bad driving. There is no positive reward for drunk driving. That was clear from the get go. One of the reasons I was keen to create and develop this game was that the young life of a close family friend was snuffed out in a drinking and driving motorcycle accident and I felt that if one life was saved due to a young driver playing the game it would be worth all our effort and more.

I am bitterly disappointed that Andrew Murie, as a representative of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, has come out against the game. We've had many MADD chapters request use of the game and they too will likely be dismayed.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

The US Army needs to give the game the Red Asphalt (google it) treatment. However trying to shock the already shellshocked from driving while drunk probably isn't that great of an idea.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Haha, I remember that video.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

I wouldn't expect an organization like MADD to take kindly to a game called "Booze Cruise", even if it is supposed to be educational...

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

To be frank, this does not suprise me as far as MADD is concerned.  They approach the subject matter with the same zeal PETA and the Pro-Lifers approach their respective issues.  There is no middle ground, there is no negotiation.  There is simply their side of the arguement, and if you disagree with them you are met with the shrill kreens of dischord and veiled malice wrapped in reightous indignation.  Needless to say I am not a tremendous fan of their methodology.  I do, however, support the overarching message that they, and regardless of their agreement to it or not, the message of these developers and backers in the Army.  It is a problem, and the more information that can be provided to individuals put in this particular situation is one more tool that they can use to provide a better judgement to keep themselves, and others, alive.

 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

I wouldn't put all the pro-lifers in the same tier as Peta.

Sure there are some who refuse to compromise, have really out there stands (I read somewhere about a guy who wanted abortion illegal and wanted abortioners to be convicted Nuremberg Trials style) and refuse to see their opponents as anything more than baby killers, murderers blah blah blah but you can find nuts and head in the sand 'I'm right you're wrong, you're evil/stupid for disagreeing, you'll never change that' crap everywhere.

Just as there are more animal rights activists than Peta there are pro-lifers who aren't nearly as insane as some of their clinic burning bretheren.

I always tend to avoid debates on abortion, because they're really predictable and devolve into shouting matches very quickly.

For instance as soon as a man gets involved in the debate 8 times out of 10 the women who disagree with his side will say something along the lines of 'this is on women's rights so therefore your opinion is worthless on the matter'.

(This rule becomes null and void if there are all ready men debating for the other side).

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Okay, then they should file the objection on that part of the game and see if they can get it changed or removed.

It is reminiscent of the abstinence debate. The extreme on one side support giving out condoms in the school nurse's office without notifying the parents, on the other side leaves kids confused, scared, and ashamed.

However, the moderate voice gets quashed out. Maybe some day we'll be able to be matter of fact about what's happening in teenage bodies without encouraging reckless behavior.

MADD needs to take this stance with drunk driving. Perhaps they could try to petition to switch this weight-intoxication thing out with information on what happens in the brain after consumption of alcohol. Then there'd be more education on why NOT to get drunk in the first place, and education on why you shouldn't drive after even a glass of wine. (Or play with power tools, for that matter)

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Well... the game The Witcher, taught me never to try and slay monsters while drunk.

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

The ironic thing is that GTA 4's drunk driving is an example of non-intrusive demonstration of drunk driving that works without being obnoxious or tasteless like the MADD ads.

The drunk driving in GTA 4 shows no dead babies or mothers, or a tragic event that shout the the high heavens saying "DRUNK DRIVING IS BADDD!!! DON'T DO IT OR THIS MIGHT HAPPEN!!!!!1111" and generally what that causes is irratability of the group doing this as they are up to my face telling me things with a megaphone.

With GTA 4, drinking is A) a voluntary action with your freinds. and B) allows alternatives after your night at the bar. What this shows is it is your fault you are in a police chase while your drunk behind the wheel and if you didin't want to get in this you should have called a cab or sit and sober up. Voluntary consequences are the most effective and subtle way of getting a point like this across. Maybe MADD is just angry that they didin't think about this and Booze Cruise and GTA drunk driving is stealing their thunder (rightfully so.)

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Not only that but there are no benefits to being in a drunk state in GTA IV, you fall over if you walk too fast and lose health.

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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

"While MADD Canada sees no value in the game, the U.S. Army is in the process of adopting Booze Cruise as a tool to educate military personnel on the dangers of getting behind the wheel while impaired. "

 

Wait, what?  Why does the U.S. Army feel the need to adopt a game to teach military personnel not to drink and drive?  Shouldn't they know this already?  Is there a big problem with military personnel drinking & driving?

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Yeah well... the Brass gets kinda bitchy about their tank crews getting hosed and going for a spin... in the tank.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

AWWWW, but it's FUN!

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

This is the same group who believes if I get drunk during a round of golf and am stupid enough to drive home, DAMNIT it's the clubs fault!

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Um... At college, a counselor came in* with two tall stacks of cards: one for males and one for females. She passed the stacks around, telling us to take one that's closest to our bodyweight. On it, it listed how drinks (based on a standard beer or seving or something; I don't have it on me right now) of varying amounts affected your blod-alchohol level, as well as how long it would take for the alchohol to get out of your system.

Mind you, however, this was a freshman class.

Plus, I've heard of real-world drunk simulations, where groups would provide a modified car that simulated drunk driving... I think the game simulation would be as effective, and a lot safer.

*= if you've ever gone to college, you're probably wondering why the counselor came in. No, I wasn't caught on campus drunk; it was a freshman course to help new students learn more aboutt he college and immediate area... Apparently, college life requires encountering parties full of drunks. (I'm a commuter, and being a straightedge (I don't drink... Plus, I choke from sipping wine), I don't think it'll happen.)

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

so you can't drink? hmm well then don't do drugs...

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

'Quick everyone, if we pretend it doesn't happen, it'll go away!'

I'm against drunk-driving, I'm also against the concept of 'Three Monkeys' when it comes to dealing with it.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Took the words out of my mouth.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

The problem with MADD Canada on this subject is that they feel that when driving you should have had absolutely NO Alcohol in your system.

Don't get me wrong, MADD is a fantastic organization that does a ton of work for victims of DUI collisions. But they're zero tolerance stance is a bit extreme IMHO.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

MADD is a shitty organization that does little positive, but sure enjoys putting out statistics that are outright lies. 

For example, their statistic for crashes caused by alcohol includes crashes where anyone in the car had any alcohol in their system, crashes where the person being crashed into had alcohol in THEIR system, and all sorts of other ridiculous scenarios where alcohol was clearly not at fault.
 

They're just another group of liars hiding behind the 'think of the children' line.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Yeah, even their founding members admit that MADD has moved in the prohibition direction over the years, which is NOT what their original mission was all about.

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"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Canada? That crazy country where they treat drawings of fictional characters as people?

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

I believe you're thinking of Australia, but, yeah...this is still some special point-missing dumb.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

No I checked, Canada does consider drawings of fictional characters people, Australia does too though.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

i think he is refering to certain japanese art work portraying children, but in all fairness the us has the same policy...

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Nope, established as legal (and constitutionally protected) in the US.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Depends what's state you're in.  Lolicon has been ruled in courts in Virginia as being child porn.

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

We like to call it 'profound' or 'art' and give it a government grant.

Kind of like that jackass from Argentina who killed a dog and called it 'art'.  I'd kind of like to see if it counts as 'art' were I to chain him to a wall and starve him to death while people walk by. 

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Never understood why politicans saw it fit to put a gun to someones head to pay for that crap.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Wow, this lady is stupid...  The point is to show you that you can NOT safely drink and drive.  If you choose the drive, it will be obvious that you are drunk.  So don't even try...

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Pffffft! GTA4 beat them to the punch anyway.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

well it isn't too hard too drive while drunk in GTA 4 but walking sure is a pain...

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Can't even walk let alone drive...

 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

I can't even play the game when Niko is drunk. Hell, it's the first time I actually felt sick playing a video game.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Wow, way to miss the point.  It's not a skill, it's a warning to players about the consequences.  Just like how zombie games are a warning to us all to never develop a super virus--because a lot of death may occur.

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Oh, so that's the purpose of zombie games/movies!  Boy is my face red.  I've been working on this super virus for the past eight months.  Better get rid of it.

*crash*

Oh sh...ummmm, any gamers in the NYC area may want to take a long vacation to some place rural.

 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

*Chi-chak!* Give me a week for the virus to burn out and I'll be on my way!

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Hmmm... Better call my broker and tell him to put everything I've got into canned foods and shotguns...

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

In this economy I am surprised you still haven't done that...

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Firearm manufacturers tend to be privately traded, meaning you can't get a hold of their stock.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

There's no pleasing some people.  It is not illegal to have a drink and then drive, so long as you are not impaired.  One beer is not going to have an effect.  A six pack on the other hand...

Some people can't seem to grasp the idea of moderation, and to some moderation is still too much.  Both groups are nuts.  Bah, too early to be really snarky.  Give me a couple hours and some coffee and I'll be back on my game.

 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

"There's no pleasing some people."

That's just what Jesus said sir! 

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Dismissing ANY solution is just pathetic.

Campaigns against drinking keep SOME people from drinking.

Campaigns against excessive drinking keep SOME people who DO drink from drinking too much.

Campaigns against drinking and driving keep SOME people who DO drink AND DO excessively drink from driving.

Campaigns that actively SHOW you what happens affect even MORE people.

You'll NEVER have 100% coverage with any single solution.  So the more solutions the better.  So why bitch about getting all the help you can to reduce problems later?

Sad.  Just Sad.

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Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

The first rule of special interest groups, and watchdogs... If you can't take credit for it, then it's corrupting our youth, and raping our goats.

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

Somebody, please think of the goats!

Re: MADD Canada Objects to Game Designed to Discourage Drunk

And the Sheep. SOMEONE THINK OF THE SHEEP!!!

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