Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

January 21, 2009 -

A researcher at Texas A&M International University has concluded that there is "no significant relationship" between school shootings and playing violent video games.

Writing for the Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, Prof. Christopher Ferguson criticizes the methodology used in earlier research linking games to violence and aggression. He also points out that no evidence of violent game play was found in recent high-profile incidents such as the Virginia Tech massacre, the Utah Trolley Stop mall shooting and the February, 2008 shooting on the campus of Northern Illinois University.

Ferguson examines the notion of "moral panic" as it relates to the supposed relationship between violent video games and school shootings:

Moral panics may emerge from ‘culture wars’ occurring in a society... politicians, news media and social scientists, arguably [have] motives for promoting hysterical beliefs about media violence, and video games specifically. Actual causes of violent crime, such as family environment, genetics, poverty, and inequality, are oftentimes difficult, controversial, and intractable problems. By contrast, video games present something of a ‘straw man’ by which politicians can create an appearance of taking action against crime...

 

As for the news media, it has long been recognised that negative news... ‘sell’ better than do positive news... As for social scientists, it has been observed that a small group of researchers have been most vocal in promoting the anti-game message... oftentimes ignoring research from other researchers, or failing to disclose problems with their own research...

Ferguson, who cites GamePolitics among his numerous sources, notes that many video game critics are unfamiliar with the medium:

It has been the observation of this author, for instance, that the majority of individuals critical of video games are above the age of 35 (many are elderly) and oftentimes admit to not having directly experienced the games. Some commentators make claims betraying their unfamiliarity, such as that games like Grant Theft Auto ‘award points’ for antisocial behaviour... despite that few games award points for anything anymore, instead focusing on stories.

By way of illustration, Ferguson makes reference to last year's well-known Cooper Lawrence/Mass Effect incident.

Ferguson also points out what he sees as design flaws in a number of studies relating to video games and aggression. He also examines school shooting research conducted by the FBI and Secret Service before concluding:

School shootings, although exceedingly rare, are an important issue worthy of serious consideration. However, for our understanding of this phenomenon to progress, we must move past the moral panic on video games and other media and take a hard look at the real causes of serious aggression and violence...

the wealth of evidence... fails to establish a link between violent video games and violent crimes, including school shootings. The link has not merely been unproven; I argue that the wealth of available data simply weighs against any causal relationship.

 


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I can't see video games being the underlying root of the problem. Perhaps the constant coverage that news and media give the shooters, almost make them as heros in some circles. Teens and kids are troubled. They get picked on. And when they see these kids who have faced similar struggles on their TV sets, it almost becomes an inspiration to copy cat.

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I think all these violent online games that children play everyday make them accustomed to violence. They can't easily see violence as something bad anymore, because they see it everywhere, on the tv and in the games they play etc.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Chalk this up as another study the anit-gaming people won't look at, unfourtunately.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Wow... I can't believe this was written by an actual researcher, and not a gamer.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Too bad nobody pays attention to the studies that don't make good headlines.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

That's what you get when you have people like Jack Thompson, Fakers From fox news, And very ignorant people.

Magic Taco

Err anyone else notice

This is the same Ferguson who has done two other meta-analyses in the past with similar results. I wonder why he's so interested in it.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/02/19/researcher-finds-scant-evidence-l...

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/11/19/researcher-disputes-reported-link...

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Re: Err anyone else notice

Check out his academic publications page.

http://www.tamiu.edu/~cferguson/pubs.html

His biography on another page is as follows:

Christopher J. Ferguson holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Central Florida and also trained at the University of Texas Medical School in Houston. He has been active in publishing research papers on violent and aggressive behavior in peer-reviewed journals and scholarly books and has done clinical work with adults and juveniles in correctional settings. Currently he is an assistant professor of psychology at Texas A&M International University. His research interests include violent criminal behavior, positive and negative influences of video games and other violent media and refinements in meta-analytic techniques.

He's been involved in examination of video game violence for a number of years. Also, check out:

http://www.tamiu.edu/newsinfo/3-27-08/article13.shtml

It's his university's write up of his article and an explanation of it. This guy had the article peer reviewed and published in a major nationally and professionally recognised journal. Obviously he's done a good piece of work to get published in that...

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Violent video games aren't to blame, duh. Any link between them and crime-if there was one (and there isn't)-is a symptom of underlying social problems.

Instead of addressing the bullying issue in our schools, and the systemized abuse of students with psychiatric disabilities in our k-12 public schools, we're trying to blame cultural phenomona.

Same old bullcrap. Our schools fail (people without disabilities don't have a 100%, or even a 99.9% literacy rate) our students. There's a direct relationship between education and crime. You can bet that the higher one is the lower the other will be.

So why not spend all this energy turning over our rotten school system and bringing it to at least only twice the money per student as private schools scoring higher than it, and on par with them.

 

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

What about parents?  I knew how to read before I got to first grade.  None of this 'hooked on phonics' shit either. 

I find that you get out of schools (nearly ANY school) what you put into it.  Obviously, this doesn't apply to the mentally retarded and the 'learning-disabled' as much, but it still applies.  I know people with doctorates who have dyslexia.  Sure, many inner city schools have terrible literacy rate, but look at where the emphasis is in the inner city, goal and career-wise.  Not a lot of focus on academia. 

There's a direct relationship between parental involvement and crime too. 

Of course, our schools teach some ridiculous shit.

A lot of the emphasis that used to be put on teaching things (you know, like values) in the home is gone.  Our children are being told what's right and wrong by their teachers, having political correctness and 'non-violent, non-competitive play' forced down their throats in schools.  I remember having to talk to a school's guidance counselor because I have firearms in the home and he felt it made for a 'violent home environment'.  His basis for this was a questionnaire passed around in class that asked if the parents drank, smoked, had firearms, did drugs, etc. 

Point is, some emphasis needs to be put on parenting.  America is quickly becoming a country where no one is responsible, and that's bullshit.

So what video game were involved with these.

 

This will destroy any credibility by any video game critics and haters out there.  violent video game and school shooting, my butt.  They haven't explain the school shooting that happened before Pong, Atari 2600, and Magnavox Odyssey came out.

 

Bath Massacre, 1927-Andrew Kehoe killed his wife, blew up Bath Elementary School and killed himself.  what video game did he play? Bioshock? Mercenaries 2? Farcry 2?  Nope none of these, he had financial debt.  Blame it on the money, as a matter of fact ban money, they are the root of greed and evil.

Poe Elementary School attack, Sept 1959-Paul Harold Ogernon was the perpertraitor of this shooting which end up killing 6 people including himself. He was a ex-convict who couldn't get his son enrolled into that elementary school, and he went 'Postal' on the school.  Video game was not behind this.

Cleveland Elementary School schooting, Jan 1979-Brenda Ann Spencer, 16 years old shot up the school for no reason which ended up with 2 dead, 6 injured.  What FPS game did she play? Oh wait a minute, FPS games wasn't invented until the 1990's hence she can't be "trained" on video game.  But however, her motive and quote "I hate Mondays"  (can you guess what movie and song had this quote?  I'll give you a trophy/achievements if you can figure it out)

Portland, Connecticut, Dec 1985-13-year old student Floyd Warmsley shot and killed a janitor, injured the principal, as well as a school secretary and held a student hostage with a rifle at Portland Junior High School after he had been suspended for refusing to take off his hat while in school. He was arrested after his father convinced him to surrender. (from Wikipedia)  So what video game made him do it?  It wasn't, blame the hat it was the cause of the shooting.

Montana, Dec 1986-14 year old Kristopher Hans, angry over a failing grade, shoots and kills a substitute teacher for a French classroom, and then later wounded a vice principal and two students.  I don't think video game is to be blame, blame the teacher she was the one that made him go homicidal.

 

To JT and all video game haters, I want to you to look at that and tell me if video game is behind all those event I listed.  If you say it did, then you're officially retarded and need to go back to school to study history.

 

 

 

 

Re: So what video game were involved with these.

I remembered the song because I saw a show on VH1 Classic about One Hit Wonders on Saturday, I still had to look up the band, though.

Boomtown Rats- "I Don't Like Mondays"

http://www.vh1classic.com/view/playlist/1600451/321441/Vh1_Classic_One_Hit_Wonders_British/I_Don_t_Like_Mondays/index.jhtml

The frontman of Boomtown Rats, Bob Geldof, who also went on to promote the Live Aid concerts in 1985, wrote the song in response and performed almost a month later.....in San Diego. It ended up being a #1 hit in the U.K.

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Re: So what video game were involved with these.

 

"I really love Monday" Trophies/acheivements unlocked

 

Figuring out what song is inspired by a mass murder.

 

COngraulations, BearDog.  That's your prize

 

Re: So what video game were involved with these.

The love of monday is the root of all evil.

Re: So what video game were involved with these.

What about Pearl Jam's song JEREMY?  The whole fucking song is about a boy who kills himself in school for the same reason that many school shootings occur!

Re: So what video game were involved with these.

 

Austin,

 

My music knowledge is very lacking.  I'm not a fan of Pearl Jam, I know some other song that relate to school shooting.

 

Re: So what video game were involved with these.

Go find it on Youtube.  Chances are they still have the censored video up on youtube somewhere.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

These facts are great or all but it's not like the whole world will listen, Some of the Anti-gamer people even Fox news themselves will just ignorantly plug their fingers in their ears and go la la la la la, while someone who has an honest awnser will just get ignored,

And it's not like we're able to predict another school shooting, If something wrong were to happen, Instead, People will probably just point the finger at us.

Magic Taco

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Also it was nice to see someone who was able to do some HARD FACTS in their research.


TBoneTony

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

:D

Even if the Mainstreem News ditch this as something not newsworthy enough, this discussion even proves that the Parents of child gamers are horribly missinformed by the mainstreem news and they need to look at other opinions and examples to have a clearer view of what is really going on.

Any research or discussion from a Psychologist who goes into that sort of detail to me is more worthy to take notice of instead of a fear tactic from those other people "who I shall not name here."

Sadly you will also find other people who will come up with a rubbish statement based on full opinions and no facts like "This man was PAYED by the industry." or "He is not a real Psychologist."

I don't think we should question if people are Psychologists, but we should only question their research to find out if it stands up to strutiny or if there is any strenghts to that research.

TBoneTony

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

 lol@"Grant Theft Auto"

 

why can't people get the name right anymore?

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

At least it's only one letter off, unlike how some people completely F the name up.

(I'm looking at YOU, you Eagle Forum dickheads!)

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Jack Thompson

you

just

got

servered.

 

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Watch how people who object to video games will spin this in their favor.


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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Make's some sense to me.

Magic Taco

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

I'd just like to say 'YAY!'

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

All of this makes sense to us because we're gamers.  We have knowledge of the medium... not to mention we love it.

The biggest problem is that older people (litigators) and non gamers are ignorant and have no desire to learn anything more about video games.

The "truthiness" of video games causing violence is "truer" to these people than the facts.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

*plays a violent video game*

IMA GONNA GO ON A SCHOOL SHOOTING!!!11 HUR HUR HUR HUR!

 

>_>

=========================================================================== Jack Thompson is vanquished!!!

=========================================================================== Jack Thompson is vanquished!!!

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

*snorts from laughter*

You have... any idea... heh... how many of them... are gonna... take you seriously!?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! 

Hilarious.

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Broken News:  Another School shooting in our city.

Faux News report:

At 9:15am this morning, police report an anonymous call was made to 911 claiming that a school shooting would be taking place at approximately 10am this morning.

Not wanting to risk children's lives, police and school officials announced a county wide school lockdown.

Police officials report no signs of intrusion or danger thus far.

Update:  At 10:02am, the sounds of automatic fire could be heard on the outskirts of the city limits.  No reports from security officials at any of the schools had been received.

Police tracked the sounds of gunfire to the lake North of town where police found the bodies of approximately 30 minnows, riddled with bullet holes.  The fish had apparently been swimming together at the time.  The shooter was still present, the weapon lying nearby, and was attempting to gorge himself to death on the remains.

The names of the minnows have been withheld until family members can be notified.

This has been a Faux news report.

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

LMAO! Win...

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Win level: over 9000!!!!

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

I love those OVER 9000 Dragon Ball Z references.

lol

TBoneTony

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Jack Thompson's failure level... is OVER 9,000!!!

 

Jack Thompson's IQ... is NEGATIVE 9,000!!!

 

The Value Of My Video Game Collection... is OVER 9,000($)!!!

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Shouldn't the crack at JT's IQ read "less than -9000"?

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Actually, it should...

 

But it's too late now.

 

But it kind of looks better with it as a word than the symbol.

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Enough with the freaking >9k jokes. It's been overkill a long damn time ago. The joke is old, washed up, no longer funny. It's so old it would look out of place in a museum.

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

"Overkill"?

 

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill

 

But there is no kill like overkill.

 

Actually, there is no overkill. There is only "Open Fire!" and "I Need To Reload!".

 

And 3 things to live by:

1.If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it. 

2. If you're leaving scorch marks, you need a bigger gun. 

3.There is no 'overkill'. There is only 'open fire' and 'I need to reload'.

 

OPEN FIRE!!!

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Great research  :)

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

This makes quite a bit of sense. Therefor it will be ignored in favor of self-serving chest thumping over the evils of the vidja games.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Pretty much the same talking points I've seen on this forum over and over again.  In other words, we've been saying this for years now.

Still won't stop the iditos from trying to ban or regulate content.  We're just going to have to wait for the older generation to die off/lose power before we can breath easier.

 

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

so this is what? 5 to 1 against JT's theories?

but many politicians will still look at the bad and take that one alone as the lone truth i bet.

 

now if we could find bigfoot we'd be all set! :)

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

We should remember that, while the individual is referred to as a researcher, this isn't a study but rather an examination and analysis of various studies, media reports, and individual opinions and theories. 

I'm sure there will be plenty of counterarguments to his critizisms, and I really can't wait to see them.  Will it be a mere wave of the hand arguing "Oh, he's just one person" or "He's a tool of the industry"?  Or will there be actual debate points thrown out?

Should be interesting.

The reason I point out that this isn't a study per se is because I don't want there to be any confusion that I would support one study that supported my arguments while railing against studies that do the opposite.

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

While it's an examination and analysis, he does at least use scientifically measurable and quantifiable methods. Whereas a lot of other people (read JT) just make mass sweeping generalisations, or operate using biases towards their own research and uncontrolled experiments.

I think that this is a pretty good piece of research that uses scientifically accepted methods and while he doesn't advocate that games are totally awesome and fine, he provides a balanced arguement. I especially like the peanut butter analogy...

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

I agree as to the counter arguments.

While I believe what this man says personally, if we are looking at credentials what is to make him more credible than some other researcher who claims to find a correlation.  Everyone goes back and forth over flaws in other peoples studies, nothing comes out unscathed.

I wish there was some way to raise one of these articles/studies/etc above the rabble and really get it noticed.  The Byron report was a step in the right direction, but I don't think it went deep enough.  It seemed more of suggestion of what to do rather than a judgement on the correlation between violence and violent games. Grand Theft Childhood may be a better example, but I'd like to see something more widely accepted.

Meh.

Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Although it may take a while for the opponents of video games to back off, it helps to keep on chugging out legitimate data out there to cite when they try to spew propaganda.  Go science!

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Re: Researcher: No Link Between Violent Games & School Shootings

Lets take this argument and throw it on its head.

Free thought and common sense create problems in society because people will gravitate away from what they are told to do by the rules set forth by society.

 

So obviously free thought and common sense are bad right? Right?

I don’t think so…

 

 


Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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