Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

January 27, 2009 -

As GamePolitics readers know, South Australian Attorney General Michael Atkinson (left) is viewed by many gamers Down Under as being the roadblock to the implementation of an R18+ video game rating. Australian films already have such a rating, so why not video games?

Atkinson spoke at length with GameSpot about his opposition to the R18+, which to date has proven insurmountable:

The interactive nature of electronic games means that they have a much greater influence than viewing a movie does. People are... essentially rehearsing harmful behaviour...

I have three sons who regularly play computer games at home... I see my children become physically and emotionally obsessed with games and it is difficult to drag them away from the gaming console. The repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises children to violence...

Extreme violence, perverted sex and criminal activity are not essential for adults to enjoy playing electronic games. There are plenty of sophisticated games that are of interest to adults... Some of the most popular and highly recommended games for adults would not be R18+ rated.

Critics sometimes claim that I am ruining the game development industry. There are very few computer games that are refused classification each year. In 2007/8 just three computer games were refused classification... This represents avery small proportion of the 961 [rating] decisions made last financial year...

Some of your readers may believe that the present system restricts adult liberty. It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree, but that is the price of keeping this material from children and vulnerable adults. In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it...


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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

"Extreme violence, perverted sex and criminal activity are not essential for adults to enjoy playing electronic games. There are plenty of sophisticated games that are of interest to adults..."

Of course it's not 'essential' for adult games to have that material in order for them to be enjoyed by adults. Of course, it isn't 'essential' for South Park to be on the airwaves, but not many people have that big a problem with it. (I just don't like it)

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"Some of your readers may believe that the present system restricts adult liberty. It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree, but that is the price of keeping this material from children and vulnerable adults. In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it..."

How does that quote go? "People who trade liberty for security deserve neither?"

Granted that quote is meant to be applied to much bigger issues than something like video game laws, but as someone pointed out above, aren't there bigger problems than video games that this man should be focusing on if he's really worried about the childrens anyway?
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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

You konw, the more I learn about this guy,the more he confirms my theory that going into politics almost always caused you to become an idiot. Now I know thats not across the board, but lets admit, this guy sure seems like a poster child for stupid politicans.

 

Now I know why Yahtzee hates this dirt bag so badly

 

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

No, Mr. Atkinson, keeping adults from getting games that are intended for them is not worth the benefit of keeping those same games from children. Is drinking and smoking legal in Australia? AT ALL? How about porn?

Then you've got bigger problems than the games if "FOR THE CHILLUNS!" is really your warcry, dude.

Not that I see a problem with any of these things, mind you, because they are- drumroll please- for adults. It's not the government's responsibility to raise the country's children. More than that, the government doesn't have the right to. Focus on raising your own kids, dude. From the description you gave in that justification, it looks awfully like you need to.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

What do you expect from a wacko government that treats drawings of fictional characters as people?

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Also, I'd like to mention...you know where it says that multiplayer content is not rated (because there's too many variables and content would depend on the players playing etc.) technically, he's just banning single player games and letting all the multiplayer stuff through, regardless of the extreme violence and perverted sex that goes on!

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Note that he also talks about "vulnerable adults". So the Australian Gov is babysitting adults too? Is that even a proper legal term like "minor" is? 

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

You know, if they just created the R18+ rating for games, they could keep more of the games out of the hands of the kids. I mean, in Australia, those ratings are enforced by the law. In that case, more games that would have slipped in at a lower rating would be rated R18+, therefore they would be harder to get a hold of. Case in point, GTA wouldn't have been watered down and yet it would have been restricted to being purchased by adults only.

Just sounds to me like you'd be helping your "For the Children" cause by allowing it.

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

It's been said before, but the fact that one man has the power to unilaterally impose his morals on an entire country is the true travesty here.

All else pales in comparison.

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

They say "for the children" and I say "for the taxpayers".  After all, when you're blowing the money the people of a country pay you then you had better be working for them and not against them. 

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Ah the old unproven premise, "it's interactive and therefore more effective"

Y'know, i seem to recall within a study done by the BBFC, something that seems to be constantly overlooked even by the BBFC themselves... Part of the study gave off the suggestion that the interactive natrue actually makes game LESS immersive and as such LESS effective at effecting a person as compared to movies. It wasn't exactly a clear cut thing, but the suggestion was there...

games are less immersive than movies... a Game may allow you to interact and take part in the action, but the very fact remains that you are doing all of this at the hand of a controller to imagery that is less than real. The game controller is a constant remined that you are on your couch playing a game and not actually in the game intself. You constantly thinking of what action to take and all those actiosn are done through the buttons on the controller.

As opposed to movies... when you watch a movie you are just staring at what's going on. A good movie has a way of really sucking you in. You can easily forget that you watching a film from the comfort of a theater. You get pulled in and it's almost like, instead watching from the comfort of you home, you watching from right there in the screen. Forgetting that you are watching a screen, momentairly not realizing where you are, not paying any attention to what's going on around you... that's what it means to feel immersed and this is what would most effect people.

Think about it... evoking real emotions out of viewers such as hate for the characters, crying to what's going on screen, feeling happy for characters, and feeling s sense of indentification with them... Which of the two mediums have made you feel real emotion more often? feeling real emotion for what your watching is a pretty good indication of how immersed you are in what you are viewing

While games are indeed capable of being immersive, a lot movies are far more capable.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

"Extreme violence, perverted sex and criminal activity are not essential for adults to enjoy playing electronic games."

So he's basically saying "you don't need it therefore it's ok for us to not let you have it."

That may be fine if the government was the one paying for our games but they aren't. As it stands the logic is really stupid.

"There are plenty of sophisticated games that are of interest to adults... Some of the most popular and highly recommended games for adults would not be R18+ rated."

GTA4 had to tone down the blood to get classification right? That was a popular game. Although even if it weren't, even if only 12 adults in Australia wanted to play they should be allowed to play it, especially since australia all ready bans sale of r18 stuff to kids (correct me if I'm wrong).

"It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree, but that is the price of keeping this material from children and vulnerable adults. In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it..."

So adults don't get to play violent games because children they've never met might get their hands on them? How does that make sense?

Someone said it best here a long time ago (paraphrased)

"So he's basically saying that I as an Adult, can't play games designed for Adults with Adult themes because they're inappropriate for CHILDREN?"

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

He's doing it because he has nothing else to do, IE a busy body moralist who uses flawed logic to show the public he's doing something.


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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

"The interactive nature of electronic games means that they have a much greater influence than viewing a movie does.” 

There are studies that say that. There are also studies that say the exact opposite.
 
“I see my children become physically and emotionally obsessed with games, and it is difficult to drag them away from the gaming console.”
 
Hey, just because you suck as a parent, don’t take it out on the rest of us.
 
“The repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises children to violence.”
 
Nope, it desensitizes them to video game violence. Big difference that.
 
“Extreme violence, perverted sex, and criminal activity are not essential for adults to enjoy playing electronic games.”
 
True, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be able enjoy games with those elements.
 
“There are very few computer games that are refused classification each year.”
 
One is too many.
 
 
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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Freedom... it's Austrailian for Totalitarianism.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

No one has ever said anything about thoise "choose your own adventure" books or DVDs.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

To paraphrase Jefferson: "Those who sacrifice other people's liberty in order to protect other people's kids should not have access to either kids or liberty."

And how is it that preventing ADULTS from getting violent games protects children?  Last I heard, children were not given carte blanc from parents to buy any game.  The parents are still in control - even in Australia.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Ben Franklin, i believe.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

and the quote was butchered.

It was "he who would give up an essential liberty for temporary safety desrves neither liberty nor safety"

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

That was...his intention.

"Paraphrase."

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

How long until the idiot can be voted out?

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Ah!  So his excuse is, he's a bad parent and doesn't know how to engage his kids in a way that gets them away from the video games.  So adult gamers should be punished.

Wait, what?

Anyway, his critics don't say he's "ruining game development," they say he's supporting cencorship.  His opposition forces gamemakers to change their games to get a lesser rating just so they can sell their product in Australia.  He's a modern day book-burner.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Or in the case of Bethesda Softworks, edit /all/ the versions, which is why I didn't look into Fallout 3, thanks Atkinson, you douche.

 

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Actually, the edit wasn't that bad, and it kept with the original feel of the series.  You didn't shoot up Morphine in Fallout 1 and 2, you used Stimpacks.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

SO he wants to prevent these games from coming out to cover his own ass as a suck ass parent, and so he can still be a lazy ass parent.

What a wuss.

 

I guess we now see what it'd be like if a certain failed lawyer/wannabe politician had gained any power.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

I don't live in Austraila and I hate this guy, probably cause he represents all the Jack Thompsons of the world, only this guy is in power, though here in the States, we're lucky that the constitution blocks this kinda BS, its to bad Australia doesn't have that luxery.

I mean, seriously, all this guy is doing is just spouting off the typical "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!" BS.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

What he is doing is allowing more violent games pass as appropriate for 15 year olds. Now we have rated M games like GTA4 passable for 15 year olds, and some of them are not censored such as Fallout 3, or FEAR 2.

So basically, he is doing the opposite of what he is trying to do.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Why not reward good behavior instead of punishing bad behavior?

And holy shit, look at the ESRB and the corruption in it. I can just see whatever the hell this government uses as their rating system saying "Pay us a few mil more and we'll let your game launch".

What's the big deal, if only 3 games received the R18+ rating last year? They're obviously in short supply and not as influential as the other 961 games they rated.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

More than three games would have received an R18 rating. There were many that he neglected to mention that were edited and then received an MA15 rating.

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Michael Atkinson is no different than a pedophile. And that's the bottom line.

It's time for Australians to vote the worthless turd out.

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Unfortunately his position is selected by the current state government. As such to remove him either the current head of state has to decide the people want him out and get rid of him and select a successor, or at next state election if a party change goes through he may be removed then.

People don't have much 'choice' when it comes down to it.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

 Obviously his "children" have issues, but he's blaming his bad parenting on the games. 

Many times people forget that movies and television can be much more interactive than they initially seem. Obviously, the actors interact, but the audience can be enthralled to mentally participate (root for the hero, boo the villain, and all that). All a song needs to do to be interactive is for listeners to sing along.

Yes, many of the best games end up being rated for under 17, but "extreme violence, pornography, and blood & gore," are not all that need to be rated for 18 and older. How about the fear factor, for scary games, violent or not? Even realism is all that it takes. Games have needed to dumb down their visual effects as a franchise becomes more graphically realistic. 

Because game ratings tend to be stricter than movies, games with PG-13 counterparts end up with an M-rating. 

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

  I'm scared of his use of the term 'vulnerable adults.'

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Let's put it this way, I'd class him as a 'vulnerable adult', though I'm sure he wouldn't.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

"We don't want him in our "vulnerable adult" support group!"

How does he define "vulnerable adult" anyway?

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

The interactive nature of electronic games means that they have a much greater influence than viewing a movie does. People are... essentially rehearsing harmful behaviour...

 

It does? Oh wow you mean have a degree in Human Psychology? ..wait.. you.. dont? So your not qualified to make any sort of statement like that?


I have three sons who regularly play computer games at home... I see my children become physically and emotionally obsessed with games and it is difficult to drag them away from the gaming console. The repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises children to violence...

So.. your kids enjoy games, and when you tell them to stop they wont always do so willingly... And rather than connecting that with a) Bad parenting, you somehow make the leap to b) The repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises children to violence.. which has nothing to do with the original statement... did you forget to speak for a bit in the middle cos you missed an important part. The logical connection. And even if you made it, look up at my first point.. you are not qualified to say so.



Extreme violence, perverted sex and criminal activity are not essential for adults to enjoy playing electronic games. There are plenty of sophisticated games that are of interest to adults... Some of the most popular and highly recommended games for adults would not be R18+ rated.

 

Firstly, Nobody is asking for 'Extreme Violence && perverted sex'. What about non-perverted 'sex' and  high 'violence' .Why do you need to instantly  drag it to the extreme to make your point, unless you dont really have one that you can support without dragging things to their extremes?

Secondly with regard to 'Criminal activity' why arent you opposed to books, or film displaying criminal activity. Hell i think youd have to ban 99% of films with all 'bad guys' who commited a single 'criminal' act. What about a game where you are a cop, and have to stop criminals? that still includes criminal acts. And even when the player's protagonist is commiting the acts.. so what? It isnt 'real'. Hell IT ISNT CANT EVEN BE 'CRIMINAL ACT', SINCE  BY DEFINITION IT IS NOT REAL, SO CANNOT BE A 'CRIMINAL ACT'. Try taking Niko Bellic to court and see what happens. He aint real and neither are his 'crimes'. There is no loss, no damage, no emotional distress caused to any human being whatsoever.


Critics sometimes claim that I am ruining the game development industry. There are very few computer games that are refused classification each year. In 2007/8 just three computer games were refused classification... This represents avery small proportion of the 961 [rating] decisions made last financial year...

 

Critics claim that beacuse its TRUE. Your facts are completely misrepresenting the truth!. 3 games were refused classification, but how many of the 961, would have also been refused, if they had not made laborious, and draconian edits and cuts specifically to avoid that. what RIGHT do you have to decide for the people (who majoritively do NOT agree with you!) that these things should be cut?. A Government representative should represent the people, not himself. You are destoying the industry because A) developers cannot full express themselves through games (which IMO are an artistic medium just like books and film) and if they cannot do that, they will never be able to break this 'for kids' or 'shallow' mould that you are ACTIVELY FORCING THEM IN TO. There will be a stage where game developers just think.. 'meh', and wont bother with the extra effort.


Some of your readers may believe that the present system restricts adult liberty. It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree, but that is the price of keeping this material from children and vulnerable adults. In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it...

THIS is the most baffling statement of them all. a 'small' sacrifice? Censoring EVERY game that would be 18 rated in any other country, meaning a watered/cut down version is all that is available to EVERY australian gamer, is a SMALL sacrifice??? Right.. right.. a countrywide Censorship is a 'small' sacrifice. Taking away people's freedom of choice, and right to decide for themselves what they deem appropriate material and what is not is a small sacrifice...

And all of it just for the almost laughable reason that SOME kids (ie the ones with bad parents ) MAY get access to it, and of those small number, an even smaller number MAY (since you do not have a psychology degree) lead to desensitization against violence, and of those an even SMALLER number MAY commit crimes because of it....

And all of which can be stopped by a parent opening a mouth and saying One word..... 'N...O...'.

Thats how simple it is.

Then you look at the fact that the majority of the population of the country you represent have SHOWN that they would like the chance to say 'NO'.

Thats a Small sacrifice?

Wow.. well you must be living in Topsy turvy land, where you burp where you fart, and fart where you burp.. because seriously I couldnt actually think of a better example to show a Huge sacrifice, for absolutely abysmal justification.

 

 

Yeah.... Considering the alternative i

 

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"It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree, but that is the price of keeping this material from children..."

Riiiiiight...and what exactly are children doing playing 18+ rated games? Either it's the parents fault or the retailers fault.

Don't take it out on gamers as a whole because you're "trying to protect the children".

Also, rehearsing violent behaviour? Ok, maybe if you're playing red steel or star wars on the wii, but last time I checked, pressing buttons and a d-pad wasn't rehearsal for a violent crime. If you're going to apply that logic, are you going to ban all PC games? Clicking on a mouse which makes a character throw a shoe at George Bush is along the same lines...are you going to block all content like tha...oh wait...you are trying to.

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

I'm curious about what vulnerable adults he's referring to.  If a grown man or woman is going to snap after playing a game then what else could set them off?  An improperly wrapped sandwich maybe?  

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Yes, step right up to meed the most hated man in Austraila, a man so bastardly that even Yahtzee, who hates almost everything, has a special place of hatred for him.

You SIR, are a scum bag.

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Games like God of War or GTA might desensitize the human mind from violence, if you are a DAMN kid. The perception between reality and fiction is blurred, as sometimes cartoon figures can equate to being real, at least as a how a child sees it.

Of course it differs at how a child is raised, and how that perception is quickly seperated, and granted the child has no overbearing grudges (child abuse, neglect, etc.), or for no apparent reason, becomes the anomaly which is a sociopath (some are just born that way).

It is for that reason tha.........

You know what? FUCK IT!!!

Let me post what most of us are meaning to write...

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Dancing is interactive, more so than Video Games. 50 years ago Rock and Roll 'corrupted the youth of the world....'

 

Am I detecting a pattern?

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

It's funny that his generation was into Elvis Presley, which was close to being banned on TV due to him "shaking his pelvis" and I bet he didn't have any problem with that...

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Sacrifice is always 'worth it' when you are not part of the group making the sacrifice.  

Same with that new anti-SM porn law in the UK.  The people for the ban are not effected by it, so the 'if it saves even one life then it is worth it!' works for them since it does not force them to make any personal sacrifice.  But the people who are effected by it feel differntly.

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I'll just shoot this down by paragraph:

The first one, where he says games train people to violence, as we've chanted over and over again on this site, is not proven.  Period.  There is no correlation except for the fact that violent people have shown to like violent games.  This is like saying that "Happy Hour" causes people to drink, when really people who drink just love "Happy Hour."

Second paragraph, same as the first.  A little bit louder and a little bit worse...

And here's the reason why Atkinson is a disgrace to freedom.  Third paragraph, where he satates that the R18+ isn't essential.  This is utterly false.  Those games must be allowed classification so as to give people the freedom of choice.  If they want to play those games, what right does this jack-ass have to say otherwise?  And of course most adult games aren't rated R18+, as you say, but that's because with R18+ being a death warrent to any game in your country, all games which would be better classified as R18+ are instead being labeled lower.  Once the R18+ rating gets opened up, a lot more games will be rated that.

The number of games that were banned doesn't matter.  What matters is that games were banned at all simply because you're on some unjustified moral crusade, and you put your beliefs as being greater than the choices and freedom of the people you claim to serve.

"Some of your readers may believe that the present system restricts adult liberty. It certainly does restrict choice to a small degree..."  Wow, got to love that play on words.  See how he tried to not associate choice and liberty there?  You are restricting choice, which means you're restricting the liberty of your countrymen.  Shame on you.  "...but that is the price of keeping this material from children and vulnerable adults."  Children shouldn't be your concern, but rather the concern of the parents.  Adults you should have no legal reason to want to "protect" them.  They are legal citizens with all the rights that allows.  Stop making them, the ones that import banned games, criminals simply because you don't give them the freedom of choice.

"In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it..."  In my view, you're sacrificing freedom, so fuck you.  You're what's wrong with politics, and you should be ashamed of yourself. 

 

Now, let the nerd raging commence at what this man has said.  Honestly, we should just make a key macro that automatically proves him wrong.  It'd save time and effort, seeing how his arguments  haven't changed.

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When I see your children playing "cops and robbers" or some similar game, I'll demand your immediate criminal arrest, trial, and conviction for neglect, conspiracy to corrupt minors, mental molestation of children, advocating violence in society, promoting potential acts of terrorism (as violence leads to terroristic acts, everyone knows that), endangering other people's lives, and more.

I'll do the same if I catch them reading books -I- find inappropriate.

I'll do the same if I catch them listening to music -I- find inappropriate.

I'll do the same if I hear them discussing issues -I- find inappropriate.

I'll do the same if I catch them practicing religious beliefs -I- find inappropriate.

I'll do the same if I catch them watching any TV show or movie -I- find inappropriate.

I'll do the same if I find they are not being raised the way -I- deem appropriate.

 

It's a great power being able to decide how SOMEONE ELSE'S children should be or not be and how everyone else should preceive those children and the clear threat they potentially can become, whether it's true or not.

Who dictates to the dictators?

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Blocking an R18 rating and keeping the highest rating at 15+ to "save the children" makes NO sense.

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You know I always thought to rehearse something you actually had to, you know, rehearse it.  Sitting on your ass and tapping buttons does NOT count as rehearseal for something as vigorous as running around and chasing down people to kill.  To be quite honest it would be rather counter productive to that.  You know, physical health and all of that.  Jogging would be a better rehearsal.

I'm pretty sure that a football coach would be pretty pissed off if he found his players "reharsing/practicing" for a game by playing Madden rather than doing something physically relevant.

Really though, people in all governments really need to learn to seperate fantasy from reality.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

I'm not sure where he gets his information from because I remember people acting out what they saw movies.  One movie that stands out in memory is The Program or something like that.  I remember it being in the news that several kids copied kids from the movie by laying on the yellow line of the highway waiting for cars to drive by.  Of course, the copiers were ran over.   If movies don't affect people the same as games, then why do people get upset while watching and yell to the idiots on screen to run?

 

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Re: Australian Pol Explains Why He's Blocking R18+ Rating

Damn thought-Nazi. 

That's right, I Godwin'd it.

Nothing this idiot has said as made me any more sympathetic towards his cause.  He onces again brings up the faulty premise of games causing violent behavior, desensitising, etc.  Oh, and that sacrificing freedom of expression is a small price to pay to protect the children and "vulnerable adults".

Notice that last one there?  Awesome, so apparently now us fully-grown human beings are incapable of making decisions for ourselves.  He probably means those that are mentally unstable but maybe he should worry more about treating said individuals for their problem rather than trying to ban media.

Plus there's just something really sinister about using a term like that to justify your position.

 

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ZenI have to toss my hat in for Michael Jai White as well...he would make a hell of a Luke Cage I believe.09/03/2014 - 1:56am
Andrew EisenI love Terry Crews but I'm not sure he fits Luke Cage's personality (maybe Crews' acting range is broader than I realize?). How about Michael Jai White?09/02/2014 - 11:25pm
Papa MidnightTerry Crews for Luke Cage. Make it happen, Marvel and Netflix :)09/02/2014 - 9:58pm
prh99I would be shocked if Nintendo said it was region free, or even made it optional like XBox 360 for that matter.09/02/2014 - 7:22pm
Matthew WilsonI should say the recent past.09/02/2014 - 6:58pm
Matthew Wilsongiven their past, I do not blame people for thinking they will not change. I think they will keep region locking too.09/02/2014 - 6:48pm
E. Zachary KnightMan. People have no confidence in Nintendo regarding region locking the New 3DS.09/02/2014 - 6:20pm
Andrew EisenThat doesn't mean there has to be a movie though. Having said that, I've no doubt that we will eventually get a Black Panther movie. But Stan Lee will probably learn about it around the same time you and I do.09/02/2014 - 2:34pm
MaskedPixelanteWell they have to get to him eventually. Captain America's shield didn't grow on a tree, the minerals to make it had to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is Wakanda.09/02/2014 - 2:31pm
E. Zachary KnightYes, but it has never been confirmed as in development, or even pre-production.09/02/2014 - 2:21pm
MaskedPixelanteBlack Panther's been on the short list for a while.09/02/2014 - 2:18pm
E. Zachary KnightIt is possible that Stan Lee mispoke. I don't think he knows everything Marvel movies. But it is a sweet idea if true.09/02/2014 - 2:04pm
Andrew EisenSo says Stan Lee who almost certainly wouldn't know.09/02/2014 - 2:04pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-Black-Panther-Movie-Confirmed-By-Stan-Lee-66993.html Black Panther is apparently getting a movie. And maybe one for Black Widow, even though I think it's too late for her.09/02/2014 - 1:53pm
Cheater87Look what FINALLY came to Australia uncut! http://www.gamespot.com/articles/left-4-dead-2-gets-reclassified-in-australia/1100-6422038/09/02/2014 - 6:49am
Andrew EisenHence the "Uh, yeah. Obviously."09/02/2014 - 12:53am
SleakerI think Nintendo has proven over the last 2 years that it doesn't.09/02/2014 - 12:31am
Andrew EisenSleaker - Uh, yeah. Obviously.09/01/2014 - 8:20pm
Sleaker@AE - exclusives do not a console business make.09/01/2014 - 8:03pm
Papa MidnightI find it disappointing that, despite the presence of a snopes article and multiple articles countering it, people are still spreading a fake news story about a "SWATter" being sentenced to X (because the number seems to keep changing) years in prison.09/01/2014 - 5:08pm
 

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