NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

January 28, 2009 -

The New York legislature has a fondness for video game legislation, it would seem.

Last year New York became the first state since 2006 to pass a video game bill and have it signed into law by its Governor. The New York video game statute lacks teeth, however, and the video game industry has not opposed it.

As GamePolitics reported earlier this month, Assemblyman Keith L.T. Wright (D) introduced a bill aimed at shielding minors from games containing profanity and racist stereotypes.

In addition, Assemblyman Brian Kolb (R) has submitted A2837, which seeks to block minors from any game that "glamorizes... the commission of a violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism..."

Kolb's bill also requires warning labels on such games; violators would be subject to both civil and criminal penalties. Fines of $1,000 are spelled out in the bill.

But Kolb isn't finished - not by a long shot. Retailers would be required to keep such games either in an area "inaccessible by the general public"  or "in a sealed and locked container."

Retailers would also be mandated to make copies of the offending games available for examination by parents.

A similar measure proposed by Kolb in 2007 failed to move out of committee.

GP: While Assemblyman Kolb no doubt has good intentions, his legislation clearly has constitutional issues. For example, deciding whether a game "glamorizes" any of the activities enumerated by Kolb would seem to be a highly subjective endeavor.


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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Haha, I said "weapon".  That's kind of weird.

Anyway, who's EZK?  And what's the point of this website if you don't tell us how we can fight these bills or let us discuss that on our own?

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Assemblyman Brian Kolb
*SNIP CONTACT INFO*

EZK: Please don't post other people's contact information.

 

And here's our weapon:  http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Go, go!

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

for anyone wondering, saulytarsus would have to be JT

for the biblical reference of SAUL, at one point a great sinner meeting god and becoming a great man spreading the word of christ.

 

This event happened on his way to a place called tarsus.

 

Stop lying jack, we see through you like used neutrogena.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Actually, Tarsus was where he was born. He was on his way to Damascus.

I may not like forcing religion on others, but if you're gonna cite one, at least do it right.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

His point is still valid even if he didn't get his facts entirely straight.  Nothing wrong with correcting his mistake, but there is no need to be a cock about it.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

so is this moron really thompson or who is it????  as for the whole discussion thing a 15 year old has the right to buy gta 4..the parents have the right to say yes or no..the store has the right to tell the parent its not for billy and if they still buy it then thats their problem....once again to quote george carlin

 

"what about the children"   "F*** The Children"

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

I told a friend, I want to make a game with everything mentioned. "violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism"

Yes, everything. With how my head works, I already got the basis of a story and plot for it.

If I ever do it, it's gonna be distributed online, and for free. Touch that, lawmaking bitches.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Sweet. What's it going to be called?

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

The Bible Game ;)

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

He should call it 'Sunshine Over Starland', and the cover could have rainbows and unicorns and cloud castles and such...

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

I dunno. It's probably just going to be a pipe dream; I can just write and direct, she can only do programming; we have nobody to make models or sounds. And I'm trying to figure out where I could find people.

But if I can find people interested, then I'll be really happy. I will say it's about a vigilante in some hellhole city ruled by organized crime. I'm thinking he's ex-mob, and his family was killed, so now he's out to kill them back. This is just a rough idea, though.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

I came up with "Michael Vick's Kennel Champion" earlier.  It's on my "list of awesome sports games they'll never actually make" alongside NHL Lockout Simulator 2005 (with realistic Contract Arbitration mode!) and any Canadian football game.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

I gotta ask and say this.

What are you trying to prove to us jack? Why are you so obssesed with getting pasat banned and spamming these boards?  I'll give you that your will to keep going is impressive but there is nothing left for you to say or do any of us on here. You lost it all when you lost your job with the flordia bar. Yet  instead you continue to whine, to gripe, to pester us with utter nonsence.

If I were to show your behavior to your boss for whatever job you have now, do you think he would want you working for him, the way you go about on here with such imature actions?

Look at yourself Jack and stop for a moment to think. Is this really worth it? I can see it in you that everything is going downhill unless you stop and move on.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Sad, isn't it, Thompson goes on about usbeing addicts, but now he's been barred from JaaBlog, he couldn't go for more than a week without inventing a name, and using deliberate methods to avoid his IP ban all to post on a Forum.

You want to see addiction, you only have to look at the lengths Thompson goes to in order to post on here.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Locking games in a container? Ridiculous.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Here's another odd question I thought of - what about sacrificing oneself for a heroic demise?  Y'know, like someone jumping on a grenade to shield the rest of the platoon from it.  Or **SPOILERS**the end of Independence Day, when the crazy pilot guy crashes his plane into the alien super ship to destroy both.  I'm sure similar situations have happened in games (though the only one I can think of off the top of my head is in FFXII).**END SPOILERS**.  I can easily see that being viewed by some as 'glorified suicide' - and yet it's a well-known and accepted plot device in all forms of media.  Apparently emotional moments of ultimate sacrifices are inappropriate for anyone under 18 now?

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

another example of a glorified suicide is Jesus; he fortold his own death, and yet did nothing to stop it. either he's not as omnipotent as people think or he committed suicide-by-cop.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

How about Crono getting blown away by Lavos in Chrono Trigger?  Sure, you get him back later, but it's still an example of self-sacrifice, and in a game rated E10+ no less.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

That's an even more interesting example - if he sacrifices himself and effectively 'dies' but then is resuscitated through the use of time travel, was it in fact suicide?  Clearly our legal system is not built to handle the issues presented by time travel.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Or Zero volunteering for the Shuttle mission in MegaMan X5, so that X wouldn't have to risk getting the Virus in Eurasia.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Or in Ultima VII, Part II where Dupre jumps in the furnace in the Avatar's place in order to re-forge the Chaos Serpent (one of the last truly emotional moments in the Ultima Series).

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Palom and Porom, Final Fantasy IV. Petrifying themselves permanently to stop the sliding walls and save the rest of the party of certain death.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

What's up with the video game bill in Utah?

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Actually, what needs to be asked is if the State Attorney General is aware that the Traitor John Bruce "Jack" Thompson has been pushing age verification software into being legislated that may be on the list of age verification software that is being examined as potential marketing scams.

Several State AGs are looking at various age verification systems and finding that their software is being used to create marketing lists to market specifically to children.

Google "online age verification for children brings privacy concerns".

And since the Traitor John Bruce seems to want to push a particular product, one has to wonder if he's receiving compensation for pushing this product over all others.

Sounds like a lobbyist marketing a product to the state rather than someone who claims to be doing it for the children's sake.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

You tell me. I can't seem to find it in the Utah bill tracker.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Dunno. that's why I asked.  I'm not Jack.  I'm actually a lawyer.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

A lawyer without a license to practice law is like a man in a canoe without a paddle......up $hit creek..

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

It's still the wrong place to ask. It's not the topic of the article, so stop bringing it up. That's an easy rule. Can you follow that?

Yeah, you're a lawyer. Once on here, you were posing as Mrs. Zelnick.

Just shut up, you anonymous coward. Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Your a Liar, Not a Lawyer

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Also, If I remember correctly, you can get serious trouble for pretending to be lawyer since your already disbarred. Now do you really want to chance with that?

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Not that I'm defending JT or anything, but he's still technically a lawyer (because he has a law degree). His disbarment means he's just no longer an attorney.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Well Mr. Actually A. Lawyer from Pheonix, AZ, John Bruce has claimed thathe introduced a "constitutionally bulletproof" video game bill in Utah. HE gave absolutely no details. No text, no supporting congressman/woman or senator.

You yourself claimed it was gaining steam earlier, so I assumed you had some inside info on its progress that is not available in the bill tracker.

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Re: NY Bill Should Keep Its "Nasty" Author in a Locked Container

Yeah, it's kinda hard to "introduce" a bill when the session just opened on Jan. 26th.

Not only that, it only lasts until March 12th, 6 weeks from today. Meaning if the Metropolitian Moron of Miami wants his piece of trash bill on the Utah governor's desk by the time the session adjourns, he better get on the ball. Otherwise, it probably dies in committee.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Nice try Jack, but not that long ago you were saying it was gathering steam and was likely to be passed, so try to stay consistent.

 

Of course, I suppose one advantage is that you can make believe that you are still a lawyer.

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That's really hard to beleive.

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What's up with you posting everything twice?

No-one cares about your censorship bill Jack.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Jack, you like a lemming, you keep running off the cliff expecting a different result each time. Knock it off and stop spamming these boards.

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What's up with the video game bill in Utah?

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Mr. Thompson, stay on-topic. I'd ask you to read the miniscule comments policy on the matter, but i know how much you detest reading things. You know HOW to read, you just choose not too.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Really, Arizona by 14?  Against the best defense in the league, a more experienced coach, and the all-too-recent memory of the mighty Patriots' downfall last season keeping everybody on their toes?

Look, I love underdogs too, but that doesn't mean I cheer for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (unless they're playing the Argos.)

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Jack just give it up.

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Bestiality?

I know they did a documentary on the Enumclaw-Horse incident. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0874423/

Are they planning a game now too?

 

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Nah, someone just gave them a heads up on Resident Evil 69: Sex Education For Zombies.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Obviously not - necrophilia isn't listed, so under this law games could still glorify sex with corpses (animated or otherwise) as much as they want.

As long as they're not animal corpses.

And it's all conventional, hetero sex.

And I suppose consent is kind of a funny issue, since corpses don't explicitly consent to or forbid the action.  You could make the argument that sex with any corpse would amount to rape as there's no consent - but if that was the case then necrophiles would be tried under rape statutes, and Law and Order would have me believe there's a separate statute specifically for that.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

So, Nightwing, how you feel about retailers who say they want parents to make these game buying decisions and then sell GTA to little 15-year-old Jimmy with no parent in the store?  Answer carefully, please.

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If the retailer has chosen to have a policy in place regarding ANYTHING to do with the store, then any employee who breaks that policy needs to be held accountable for their actions per store policy.

If they don't have a policy in place, that's their choice.

There's no trick to the question whatsoever.

In addition, Merchant associations also have policies for retailers who are members of those associations that the retailer must follow to continue to be a member.  The retailer can follow the policy or not be a member.  If they choose to be a member, then they follow the policy or suffer the punishment, whatever it may be.

I find little intelligent consistancy to these policies.

Little "Johnny" supposedly can't buy GTA IV, but he can buy:

A religious text that promotes bigotry and hate.

Cosmopolitan or any number of magazines which have sexually suggestive images.

Saw, the Uncut addition.

Any number of "sharp objects" very much capable of being used to injure or kill another living being (kitchen knives are just one example).

Purchase any number of food products that his Parents may not approve of him eating OR a food product which may be hazardous to his health (from allergies to his diabetes or other conditions).

Any number of poisons.

Shall I keep going?

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm

Your argument fails.  Go chase some movie theaters.  You'd at least have an inkling of a chance.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Then it's the fault of the child for either disobeying his parent's orders if the parent said no, (which (SHOCK HORROR) parents CAN do. They DO have power over their child without being abusive.) or the fault of the employee for blatently disregarding the store's policy. Either way, it's not the fault of the retailer. It's the fault of the employee or the parent for the same reason: disregard for the safety of the child.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Also depends on the age of the employee and how close to the age of the customer the employee is.

Besides that, while a 15 or 16 year old is more likely to be successful at buying a M-rated game than a 12-year-old(due to looking much older), it still only accounts for less than 1% of all video game sales.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Parents can make decisions at home too, it's a question of teaching little Jimmy that he shouldn't be buying the game, if that is how they feel, and enforcing their own rules, that's not the job of the retailer.

Tell me Jack, do you let your son do absolutely anything he wants whenever he wants, are you that a bad parent yourself? Is that why you want laws to teach you to do your job properly?

 
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