Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

January 30, 2009 -

It appears that investigators in Portland, Oregon are not focusing on rampage shooter Erik Ayala's fondness for violent video games.

The Portland Mercury spoke with Detective Mark Slater of Portland P.D., who commented on reports that linked linked the 24-year-old Ayala to Left 4 Dead and Resistance: Fall of Man:

[Local newspaper] The Oregonian prompted controversy on Monday, January 26, when it reported that "one of the things that bought Ayala joy" was playing violent videogames. Slater said a copy of the videogame Grand Theft Auto III was found at Ayala's apartment, but said police were not pursuing a link between videogames and the shooting.

"There were a lot of videogames in the apartment," said Slater. "Of a wide variety of the kind you might find in any 24-year-old's apartment."

In regard to the video game angle, GamePolitics has learned that anti-game violence activist Jack Thompson unsuccessfully attempted to involve himself in the Ayala case. Thompson forwarded GP a copy of a January 26th e-mail in which the disbarred attorney complained to Portland Police Chief Rosie Sizer that detectives weren't acting on his theory that video games prompted the rampage:

Dear Chief Sizer:

I have information that would be useful to establish further the apparent causal link between the violent video game play of alleged killer Ayala and the recent incident at the teen club.

Some detective in the Bureau with whom I spoke has been compromised by the video game industry, and he was anticipating my call.

I think your Bureau and you put public safety ahead of the pro-video game bias and gaming activities of this detective.

Please have some responsible detective contact me on this, as these incidents tied to games are popping up all over the place.  Thanks.

As GamePolitics has documented over the years, Thompson characteristically makes contact with law enforcement personnel in the wake of shooting rampages to suggest that violent video games played a role.

Those contacts between Thompson and law enforcement officials have at times become contentious.

In 2007, for example, Thompson sued the Omaha Police Department for information concerning a troubled 18-year-old who opened fire at a local mall. Last year, Thompson threatened to sue the Public Safety Department of Northern Illinois University following a campus shooting spree committed by a 27-year-old man with a history of mental health problems. In both cases, the disbarred attorney sought evidence of video game play on the part of the shooters.

GP: Thanks to GP reader Cabel Sasser for the link to the Mercury story!


Comments

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

I'm sure T2 has some airtight disclaimer preventing them for taking responsibility to what gamers do to themsleves or to others.

It really must be your duty to stop every game-related crime at all costs, even if we have to spend billions of taxpayer dollars to enforce it, even if it means placing laws with the tolerance of an electron microscope.

Your zany zero-tolerance ideas have no place in non-robotic situations.

GameSnooper

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

I'm sure T2 has some airtight disclaimer preventing them for taking responsibility to what gamers do to themsleves or to others.

found it: "The makers and publishers of this videogame do not in any way endorse, condone or encourage engaging in any conduct depicted in this videogame." It's after the copyrights and trademarks after the warranty info at the end of their manuals.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

"The industry should be afraid.  Very afraid."

You keep saying this, and yet you have never succeeded in any way.  Why should they fear you now John Bruce?  Name one thing you have done to them in the past which has been successful, just one thing.

Face it, the only thing the industry has to fear from you is that laughing at your impotent antics so much they piss their pants.

As far as this case goes: Uou should realize that the studies that you misquote, which are often countered by other studies, that say that games MAY make a person more aggressive doesn't automatically mean that it DID in this case.  Even if the game was found in this murder's belongings that STILL doesn't mean that the game which MAY make a person more agressive was without a shadow of a doubt the cause in this instance.  Furthermore your studies that you misquote only say that they may make a person more aggressive.  Those studies do NOT say that they may make a person go on a rampant killing spree.  Aggression =/= Murder.

Really you have no ground to stand on.  Now go away before we report you for impersonating a lawyer with your insipid Arizona persona.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

'I live in Arizona'

Liar

'I'm not Jacky Boy'

Liar

'Who are Eagle Forum?'

Liar

'I'm a real Lawyer'

Liar

'the police detective with whom I spoke said that someone connected with the video game industry contacted him about me before I ever contacted them'

Guess what....

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Capital L...small i...small a....small r

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Ding!

Congratulations, you're through to the next round, it's time to play...

Blame That Scapegoat!

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Hey jack thompson, you think that the petric case isn't going to be appealed? good luck with that.

 

The industry hasn't been afraid yet, and I don't see a reason for them to fear now.

 

you fail

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Yet again, you failed really ugly. Go back to Utah.

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Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

you heard it folks, Jack Thompson wants to exonerate the real perpetrators in order to further his own twisted agenda.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Poor, poor Jack.  You still think you are relevant even though your legal penis has been snipped (it was inadequate anyway).


Why don't you go start a support group with former gov Blagojevich?  You both believe to be victims of conspiracys and clearly suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. 

http://www.sj-r.com/news/x716054539/Blagojevich-not-crazy-experts-say

You two dearly need each other.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

And we shall tell take-2 of your involvement. That'll make your $43K look like a warmup.

 

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Mr. Anonymous Coward has finally revealed himself. Not that we had any doubts. It just makes it easy to confirm when you slip up like this.

But you do disappoint. I expected the reveal to be in conjunction with you spamming the comments with a letter, court filing or press release. How sad this reveal was not so enjoyable.

But I must ask, how long did you think you could keep it up? Two days has to be a record, but don't you think that you could do better?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Still massacre chasing?

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Well, it isn't like he has any real clients or work to do.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Oh, but sauly, but sauly, i thought you were just some other lawyer. Oh wait, you were just being your usual anonymous coward self.

Get a life.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

 >I shall be contacting the families of the victims to tell them of the cause of action they now have against Take-Two.

None?

/b

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

No, you pea-brained Metropolitian Moron of Miami, the police dismiss the "video game link" because it is a falsehood and and they base the focus of the investigation on the evidence at hand. The "video game defense" never exonerates anybody and never will. Ask your buddy Devin Moore or ask Lionel Tate about the "wrestling defense".

And, Jacky Boy, the families do not have any course of action against Take-Two, idiot, since there is no evidence of anything involving video games, according to the police. And the fact that the shooter was not a U.S. citizen and the majority of his victims were foreign exchange students indictate that they'd have no case, just like every suit you've filed against the industry over the years. Come to think of it, by contacting the families and giving legal advice to them, wouldn't that be "practicing law without a license"?

As far as the Ohio judge goes, that same judge also said in that same solioquy that Petric's "video game defense" "wasn't a defense". Besides that, Petric's actions(trying to plant the gun on his dying father after he shot him) proved that the "video game defense" was, is, and ever will be a fraud, a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people like your worthless ass.

Finally, name the detective or it didn't happen. You're the one should be afraid. Maybe you already are afraid since you've become a joke and done a big pile of nothing since 1990.

Practice what you preach, jabroni: Grow up and get a life.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

"It's the same mentality that leads police to plant guns."

So, now you're saying that all law enforcement officers are corrupt?

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

That wouldn't surprise me one bit. He named many judges corrupt on the basis that they disagree with him.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

I thought thats how you made rocket launchers? Plant a hand gun, water it every day and it grows up to be a rocket launcher.

--
A house is not a home unless it contains food and fire for the mind as well as the body. Benjamin Franklin

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

or a machine gun...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

No no, those you need to water with gasoline.

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Use high octane, you'll get a flame thrower instead!

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

What about watering with napalm?

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---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Thats how ya get an F.A.E, BAD MOJO that is.Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

 

 JT you show your real face.  Couldn't get the Seattle Police to conivince that the Killer train on video game.

 

So what are you going to say about Anthony Caylee's murder, was video game behind the murder?

Was Ted Haggard's sex sandal caused by video game?

Was video game behind this murder?

www.wsbtv.com/news/18597582/detail.html

or this:

www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/29/ohio.family.dead/index.html

Geez, JT.  Do you always blame everything on video game?  Are you going to blame Jack The Ripper, BTK Killer, Green River Killer, and Zodiac Killer on video game.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Haha, every time I read a JT post I always think of this pic.

http://www.nouvelordremondial.cc/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

 

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

http://oceanstaterepublican.com/wp-content/plugins/hot-linked-image-cacher/upload//2008/04/conspiracy.jpg

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Wow! I want a print of that on my wall!

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Oh I am sorry...so you aren't a lawyer from Arizona? Nice try, then again we did already know it was you. the smarmy lies and arrogance seem to ooze from your posts.

If video games were truly responsible, obviously there would be more incidents of this would there be not? I hate to tell you this, but a dozen or so incidents from hundreds of millions of people....when crime is actually getting lower...may not be video game related. Infact didn't they say this guy was suffering from depression. Or would that be too much for your ignorant head to handle?

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

The roommate and family members acknowledged that the kid had problems with depression.  He needed help for his psychological problems, as do you with your paranoia.  Please, for your own best interest, seek that help.

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Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Haha, so you're not pretending to be someone else now, huh? He did not murder or injure anyone with GTA. Gaming had absolutly nothing to do with this.

And what should the industry be afraid of? Getting rabies from you?

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

The gaming likely had EVERYTHING to do with it.  You think police are gods?

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Jack...you can take off the tin foil hat now.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

More like NOTHING to do with it, Jabroni.

And, yeah, the police are gods. Didn't you ever watch the old TV show "The Untouchables" with the late, great Robert Stack(who hosted the excellent Unsolved Mysteries) as Eliot Ness?

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

You think police are gods?

the way you went on about GTA being "cop-killing games" has me thinking you do

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

They're certainly gods compared to you. They actually have common sense to know that video games (the conventional at-home models, not the ACTUAL simulators that the police and military uses) aren't adequate training tools.

Your word doesn't supercede anyone elses either. YOU'RE the one who's acting like a 'god' here, wishing death upon everyone who so much as speaks a negative comment about you.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Eh, I liked your older material better. 

He's a pretty useless creature in Magic as well.

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/31399-jack-thompson-disbarred.jpg

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

i would say he's closer to a uncolored (AKA artifact) card like artifacts or a red-blue combo card and your being way to generous 2/2 i would classify him as a 0/1 or 0/2 withe the abilitys JT is immune to any effect that gives JT +X/+X, or any ability. JT must attack every turn it is able. Each Time JT attacks add a -1/-1 counter to one of the creatures of whoever is in control of JT. JT cannot block.

sounds closer

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Something like this?

Jack Thompson R/U

Legendary Creature - Human

0/1

When Jack Thompson comes into play you loose the game.

"I've got them right where I want them"

Note he's one of them crazy hybrid red blue creatures.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

John Bruce doesn't come across as a Red Mana card. I would say he is more of a blue card. Blues like to through around paper alot and have a tendancy to think themselves more powerful than they really are.

Reds can actually damage other players. John Bruce cannot.

So Change him to a blue mana creature with 0 attack and 1 defense and you have him.

I would also change his special ability changed to a two parter.

1. tap + 2 blue mana - Baseless threat. Tap one creature your opponent controls.

2. tap + 4 blue mana - Living in Denial - If the damage caused would kill John Bruce, instead of being put in the graveyard, John Bruce stays in play as long as he is tapped. If john Bruce becomes untapped, remove him from the game.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

ooh, ooh!

Cheney is a Black mana card

The Governator is a Red mana card

Blagojevich is an Idiot mana card

Obama is a Black Lotus

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

More like the scout from stratego

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Awesome. The guy who only purpose is to find mines so that miners can defuse them.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

I think the term is (And no offense, just a term I heard so no yelling at me) is a "Russian (or Polish, I've heard it as both) mine detector" Basicly someone so useless that their only redeeming purpose is to find a landmine with a toothpick.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Forget to take your meds this morning?

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Forget to take my meds this morning?  :\  Y'know, I think I did.  And you know what else?  NOBODY DIED.  :O

Imagine that, self control from a teenager!

 

 

 

 

 

 

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

Come on let's twist the facts,

Like you did last Summer,

Yeah, let's twist the facts,

Like you did last Year,

Do you remember when,

You used to be a lawyer?

Come on let's twist the facts,

Twisting time is heeeere!!

 

Seriously though, take a pill Jack, you're unhinged, flapping around in the wind, and suffering from acute paranoia.

The Police aren't perfect, but they've got a hell of a lot more experience at finding motives and reasons than you.

Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

I think it's safe to say that they are more gods than you are, Saul.

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Re: Police Dismiss Video Game Link in Portland Shooting Rampage

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

 
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