Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

February 9, 2009 -

Disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson and Gerard Jones (left), author of Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes and Make-Believe Violence, will debate the video game violence topic in late March, according to Shenandoah.com.

The debate, which is free and open to the public, is scheduled for Bridgewater College (northwestern Virginia) on Thursday, April 2, at 7:30 p.m.

Thompson and Jones previously debated in 2007 at a college in Pennsylvania. That debate was marred by a student (and, unfortunately, GP reader) who behaved rather badly toward Thompson.

GP: Big thanks to: GamePolitics reader Maxamegalon2000 for the tip!

UPDATE: We've been notified that the date was changed to Thursday, April 2nd.


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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

Any way to change the day of the debate from Thursday, April 2nd to Wednesday, April 1st?

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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God, I hope so. That would be the greatest slap in the face ever.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

Oh, I hope Jones rips Thompson a new hoo-hah...though from what I've read, such a thing may be proven to be somewhat difficult.

I hope it doesn't end the same as last time. No offense, but I want him to walk away with a new understanding of the word "shame", not a smug sense of accomplishment.

But I give this word to all who will attend: please compose yourselves accordingly. To act like the regular total fuckwad some people can be (proven by this equation and the recent controversy surrounding Killzone 2) in a real, non-digital situation shames us all. Conduct yourselves with honor and integrity, but do not forget that this "man-child", Jack Thompson, holds no sympathy for our kind, for our beloved pasttime, and can "turn on the charm" whenever he wants. In the world of Fallout 3, Jack's Charisma in the debate scene is nearly 100, but his Intelligence is still 2, and his Karma -800.

And, of course, as I have always stated...

Game on, brothers and sisters.

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Should we tell Gerald Jones about JT previous antics (including his posting of Gay porn to a judge and Likening the florida bar to nazis) So he'll have a chance against Thompson

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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I just hope Gerald Jones is aware that JT will probably start spamming his email & fax with endless harrassment after the debate.  Expect him to try to paint Mr. Jones as being bought out by the games industry- in league with the gay conspiracy.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Are you being serious?

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Back then Jack had power, although he was corrupt. Fast forward to 2009, and he's still corrupt, only no power or credibility this time. Best way to have him lose the debate is to back him into a corner with a question that even he can't or will refuse to answer, such as why he feels that parents should not be responsible for their kids' behavior. I'd bring up the fact that if kids are getting access to M rated games, the parents should be investigated because you know that if the kids can't get the games themselves, they'll go to someone who will by nagging and nagging until they give in.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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Shame on Backwater College for using their resources to underwrite this mockery.   

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

I don't get this. You don't debate with a child that is throwing a tantrum. Why would anyone debate anything with Thompson. They're just giving him an opportunity to have his voice heard.

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

I'd love to see a transcript of that debate! 

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

When ever Jack Thompson goes on these types of shows, he is much more reasonable. It makes me wonder if Fox News forces him to be an idiot at times.

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About the GP reader that mistreated thompson:

Well damn, if I had the opportunity I'd flip him off too at the very least. I'm beyond tired of emotional terrorism and other nasty things this man does. Why anyone serious about this issue would even talk to him is beyond me, and just discredits the guy willing to debate with him.

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Actually, the guy just showed that he was pretty immature and it played right into Thompson's hands.

If you can't conduct yourself like a player, you have no business being in the game.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Agreed, Thomspon's entire self-promotion machine is based around causing people to take offence, he says it's because of the strength of his views, but if you look at people like Coulter etc, it's not really about what they think, that's just an excuse, I honestly don't believe they truly think such unbelievably irrational things, it's just the simple fact that they have learned one of the prime rules of attention grabbing, which is, the more ridiculous and outspoken you are, then more attention people will pay to you.

Another good example would be things like the Daily Show, though they do it with a little more panache because they admit they are doing it for the Comedy value. But the more ire Thompson creates, the more people who yell at him 'Your wrong, and you're an idiot!', the more promotion he gets.

Coulter didn't get famous for being right, Phelps didn't get famous for being right, they got famous for being loud, obnoxious and full of way over the top views, it's 'Shock and Awe' in self-promotion.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

You're right. That's what makes them so freaking hard to stop. I watch Coulter all the time. She facinates me. And if I was given the choice to rid the world of her I wouldn't. She's just so damn entertaining.

Thompson is a whole different story though. He's not entertaining enough, and too many people are taking him too seriously.

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

"He's not entertaining enough..."

Excuse me, but I happen to find him quite the source of 1u1z. Very funny guy, for a Bible-whipped ex-attorney. Would love for him to debate GS4 Phoenix Wright. There's a battle far more epic than Odysseus/Ulysses blinding Polyphemus or Beowulf killing Grendel, Grendel's mommy, and that dragon.

(Funnily enough, we're doing Beowulf in my Senior English class. Not watching the new movie with Angelina, though.)

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

In all honesty, I think most people who even know who Jack Thompson is see him as a joke.  Most of the attendees would be there to gawk and laugh at the old fool.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

Can't he pick a location close to Nightwng, so that at the end he can be asked why he opposes the constitution and encourages terrorism vs the United States?

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think Thompson is a bad person. I think he has his flaws like everyone else, and I think one of those flaws is that he allows his own bias to interpret relatively simple data, twisting it into what he wants it to mean, but that doesn't make him a bad person. It might make him a bad lawyer, it might mean that he has bad judgement or that he's a bad scholar, but he's not a bad person.

In fact, an argument could be made that he has some very good qualities. He's clearly driven, focused, determined and ambitious, those are all relatively good qualities. It's just a shame that he's wrong so often.

I hope everything he does and every hill he climbs in his fight against gaming lands hims squarely on his ass, but in life and things in general I wish him well.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

- A good person doesn't write a letter to the friends & family of a suicide victim gloating over it.

- A good person does not harrass others endlessly, lie, threaten to sue, or call the FBI for no good reason other than to push his extremist agenda.

- A good person does not chase massacares (sp?) and take joy in them as opportunities to push his agenda.

- A good person does not gloat and take joy over the death of a man who died trying to save his family.

- A good person does not endorse the death of those who disagree with him.

 

Jack Thompson is a despicable, sorry excuse for a human being.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

And have we done any better as a community? We treat him like shit at every turn. I'll not suggest that anyone's responsible for his behaviour other than himself, but there are very few communities that are as nasty and vicious as the gaming community when it gathers online.

I'll not argue with you that he did those things, but I will point out that it's pretty hard to hold the moral high ground on stuff like that when the reality is that we, as a community, did much the same thing to him. Can you imagine the hate-mail he must get?

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

It's actually not hard at all to hold the moral high ground, you wanna know why?

It's because Thompson never stops being the living definition of jackass.  All throughout this blog's existence he has never refrained from being insulting, baiting, conceited, childish, among plenty of other less endearing personality traits.

The reason why the gaming community and this one in particular give him shit at every turn is because since day one of his moral crusade against games, that is exactly what he has done to everyone else, even to ones who actually agree with him and even align themselves with his cause.  And the times when people in the community tried to be more civil and communicative were rewarded with insults and shit-flinging by Thompson.  The day Thompson grows up and demonstrates that he can act like an adult with manners and not like a petulant brat screaming for his toy is the day he'll find more civil treatment 'round here.  'til then, it's always turned into quid pro quo, with him having first thrown down the gauntlet.

I mean, really, what other treatment could one expect given to one who harasses, insults, vilifies, threatens and altogether walks off with fingers in ears singing "I can't heeeeeeaaaarrrrr yooooouuuu!" at any attempt at a sensible, well-thought rebuttal?

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

I think you're missing the point. The point is that we, as a community, have very little to stand on when it comes to stuff like this. It's pretty hard to point a finger at someone and say "You're a douchebag because..." and then list a bunch of behaviours that we, ourselves, have participated in.

I've never understood this idea that we should hate the man. It doesnt' make any sense to me. Should we fight him? Sure! Absolutely! But hating him? Is that really necessary? If this guy is such a waste of time, then why give him that much of yourself?

Quite frankly, if I feel anything towards the man it's pity and mild distaste. I feel bad for him... He's so wrong, all the time, he's so obviously socially crippled, he has no credibility, he's almost not threat whatsoever. I pity the man.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

And he deserves every bit of hate mail he gets.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

I don't think it was ever said he was a good person, he just has some good qualities.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

I can think of a few choice historical figures who shared those same "good" qualities...

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

yeah. Adolf Hitler. Good Qualities. REALLY BAD MAN.

Vitality Before Violence

Vitality Before Violence

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Godwin's Law, methinks, but I could be wrong.

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

I'm still waiting for you to contribute something relevant, Shadow.  Looks like I'll continue to wait.

What we really need is a law to reference the simpletons who just wait for someone to mention Hitler or the Nazis just so they can point and go, "Ooh, ooh, Godwin's Law!" when in actuality they have no clue what Godwin's Law is really about.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

You forgot a few:

- A good person doesn't suggest people who annoy him commit suicide.

- A good person doesn't insult a man who commited suicide, then claim to have cared more for him than the people who tried to save his life.

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

*retches*

.....Sorry, I can't stomach JT and those "good qualities" in the same sentence.

Besides, I think you are confusing his qualities with pride and greed.

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate Rematch

While I agree those are good qualities, I also feel that JT is honestly a bad person.

I doubt he believes most of what he claims to believe but pushes his ageda simply because it feeds his ego and makes him feel important.   The cause is probably immaterial and if he felt he could transition to another one that would gain him more praise he probably would.

So why do I feel this makes him a bad person?   Bad actions for bad reasons make him bad.  He is like an anarchist who smashes people's property just for the fun of it.. he adds nothing to sociaty, he has no positive impact or even positive intentions... he just hurts people because he can and it makes him feel like powerful when he does it.

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Pah!  He'll go through with it, of course.

His Federal Court and Florida Supreme court cases have gone belly up.

By the time of the debate, his SCOTUS case will be denied.

And it's not like he has a job which could interfere with his schedule.

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He has a job. Honest. He said so himself. But that was all he said.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Incompetent boob consultant to politicians or lobbyist for Idology doesn't count.

Nor does claiming "I'm a dad, and that's a job!" count either.  Especially for such an incompetent boob who cares more for his own personal, religious, and/or political agenda than for his own family.

Occasional freelancer and "professional debater" don't count either.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Last time he told me he had a job, it was in response to me sending some Mary Kay career information. He kept bugging me about Mary Kay, so I assumed he wanted to know more about the career. Well he responded and said he had a job and it didn't invlolve the color pink.

So that narrows it down.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Well he does write shitty books... Technically being a terrible author is a job, is it not? :)

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Only if you make money off said books.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Ouch. lol

This is going to be intresting

All right, another debate to make JT humiliated once again.

 

"Thompson and Jones previously debated in 2007 at a college in Pennsylvania. That debate was marred by a student (and, unfortunately, GP reader) who behaved rather badly toward Thompson."

I hope this person doesn't return to marred Thompson once again.

Re: This is going to be intresting

I don't know that Gerard Jones is the best choice of an opponent, to be honest, as he is not especially well-versed on video game issues.

Good guy and all that, and I suppose he is better than the original person proposed for Thompson's college debates, magazine publisher Bob Guccione, Jr., who made no sense at all...

JT will not survive this debate

 

Gerard Jones could have read up about how video game does not cause violence since his last debate with Thompson.  He'll be ready, and JT will not survive this debate.  

Re: This is going to be intresting

But at least it's a sporting match. Jack Thompson ain't that well-versed on video game issues, either.

Re: This is going to be intresting

Boom! *air-punch*

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Re: This is going to be intresting

*hands JDKJ the LOL from Dennis*

Falcon... PUNCH!!!

*punches a poster of Jack saying "VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD" on it, leaving a hole in the poster where Jack's head should be*

(Inspired by a scene in a Popeye cartoon. Ironically, every time Bluto punched out a poster with Popeye's face on it, I would say "Falcon PUNCH" as he did it.)

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: This is going to be intresting

How old are you?  Physically, I mean.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: This is going to be intresting

Zing!  

...gotta award you an LOL on that one...

Re: This is going to be intresting

I cannot confirm or deny that I will be attending this debate.....

j/k

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Anyone here planning to go PLEASE don't get off on Jack. All it does it let him point at you and go "SEE! They're just vulgar, out of control monsters!"

Re: Jack Thompson and Killing Monsters Author in Debate ...

Ew, that's nasty....  ;)

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