British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's Availability on Amazon

February 11, 2009 -

Labour MP Keith Vaz has vowed to raise in Parliament the availability of Rapeplay, a Japanese PC game. The hentai title is available on Amazon.com from Hentaiguy, an Amazon re-seller apparently based in New York City.

The Belfast Telegraph reports that the game features graphic depictions of sexual assaults on women and girls.

Contacted by the newspaper, Vaz, a longtime critic of the video game industry, said:

It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape. To know that this widely available through a major online retailer is utterly shocking, I do not see how this can be allowed. I will be raising this matter in Parliament and hope that action is taken to prevent the game from being sold.

Vaz also expressed a measure of vindication after being widely criticized last year for saying in Parliament that rape was a feature of some games.

The unrated game, apparently intended for the Japanese market only, is listed by the Amazon re-seller as "used - like new" and retails for $19.99. Only two copies are listed as available.

GP: While we find this game appalling, it is not a product of the U.S. or British video game industry. It is an import which is apparently only available through a single re-seller who specializes in the hentai market. We expect that Amazon will take the appropriate steps to correct the situation. 


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I think that the question here must be: "should we allow interactive rape in porn games?" instead of "should we allow interactive rape in videogames?"

The use of rape as a narrative tool (in Phantasmagoria, for example) is common to all media, there is no problem with that. On the other hand, interactive rape can only have one purpose, which is porn, as it is impossible to justify it's existence in a mainstream game.

I don't think this is our fight. If anything, this is the porn industry fight.

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I just thought of something.

Interactice rape could be justified in a game without porn.

What if you were the victim? What if you were a 3rd party and had a choice whether or not you were going to try to stop it?

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Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

Something about the idea of this game turns my stomach. I think that's why I have to defend the right of people to produce and sell it. It's not real. I can't pick and choose which kinds of games to defend. For the arguement that video games are fictional and deserving of the same kinds of protection as any other media I have to defend them all. Even..maybe especailly the ones I don't like.

 

After all, I don't like this game. But I do like games like God of War. If I get to say that this game crosses a line and shouldn't be sold, someone else can say the same thing about God of War and games like it. I will have invalidated my right to my own tastes by the single action of invalidating the tastes of others. No one is being hurt by the sale of this media because like all video games: it's not real.

Great, are anime and manga next for them to criticize and bash

 

Oh boy, this is a sign for me and anime fan.  Anime are going to be a new target for them.  JT didn't know about this yet, but he will and link anime to video game.  This is what I'm afraid of, politics attacking anime/manga next.  I knew it, the anime/manga hating will extend to politics and haters everywhere.  It's only a matter of time before JT are aware of anime haters on youtube.  I'm afraid he may try to convert anime haters to video game haters.  Many video gamers who are anime haters may forgive JT if he attack anime directly.  I know it for sure because I have met anime haters who are video game haters on Youtube.  This is not good, May all anime fan and video gamers (one that doesn't hate anime) unite to protect anime and video game.

 

 

somewhere in Youtube: all anime haters are praising Vaz and probably forgiving him for any video game he criticized.  Now if JT is watching this, he'll reach out to anime haters why video game are evil ("it's because video game and anime are in the same industry" if JT said that).      

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I would just like to point out that I called this exact game out the last time Vaz linked rape and videogames.

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Vaz is a pimple on the arse of the U.K.

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On the note of "Other games are ok because they have story telling and you have an equal chance of getting the same" So let's get this straight?

Mortal Kombat 1 had in game story telling? *glances back a few times* or 2? Or 3? Or 4?! and Don't most people who play those games rejoice in how awesome they are when they easily defeat an opponent human or AI?

And the miller test is total BS.

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Heres a thought if you sloted media correctly you can make it a crime to sell to minors, but if you ban it you create loopholes that are easily bypassed.

 


Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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I defend it.  Here's the justification written by someone who can do it much better than me:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

The money quote is:  "The Law is a blunt instrument. It's not a scalpel. It's a club. If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible."

In this case, "violence" is what we consider defensible and "sexual assault" is what we consider indefensible.

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There are other games like this, such as Biko, where you stalk your prey. Biko itself had 2 sequels.

These rape games, judging from videos, Japanese reviews, and first hand experience, are very fake. They seem surreal. Aside from the graphics, they don't seem to be cemented on anything based on reality. But from seeing what folks have to say, there is indeed a double standard going on. Rape is a cowardly, violent act. But just like other games where you mow down hundreds or thousands of imaginary people, it doesn't make you an expert criminal.

Touchy subject? Sure is. But if you are going to talk bad about a 3 year old game, all you are going to do is give it attention, make people order it or look for it online, giving it a boost in notoriety. It's how Manhunter sold better then it should have.

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I should also note that with 99% of these hentai imports, you can't just pop in the CD and playing w/o any setting changes to Windows....it doesn't work that way.  First, you have to change the input language to Japanese (maybe even download a language pack if Windows doesn't have it installed already).  Then you have to navigate through the japanese installer via trial-and-error.  God forbid you have a problem running the game, because the error messages will be in japanese....and ect.

If kids can find their way around this, then kudos to them.....award their smartness and let them get a raging boner

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To be honest, last time I checked rape was illegal in Japan, And it carries a heafty punishment,

The people in the Adult Hentai industry in Japan are not all bad people, some people make Anime, Hentai games with the themes of rape to help people realize that it does happen in society and how the social implications happen because of it.

How it affects the victim and their emotions they have to go though.

Sometimes it is a fantasy that is pleasurable in fantasy but horrible in reality. But it does not make it right or wrong to try and develop rape as a theme about society in a game, but it is also completely wrong in reality.

I know many people are offended by it, and I sure was offended by real rape when I was a teenager when I saw it on the news.

But when I grew into an adult, and saw the Hentai, I was not really as offended because a few of my friends were raped by other people and I can see that in reality, Hentai games are more about trying to wake up society to tell them that this happens in reality yet we are too scared to even talk about it.

This is just my opinions though, I love playing Hentai games as long as they are Tentacle monsters, I would not want to play a game with real rape as that is kinda where my taste goes, I perfer the fantasy violence and not real violence both sexual and physical. But I guess you can see what I am trying to say here. I should not be judged by what games I would love to play, I should only be judged by the things I DO in my real life.

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 Somehow I wonder if there would be such an outrage if the game was about girls raping guys, or men raping other men. Maybe it would be overlooked, I don't know. But it's always interesting to take any given situation and reverse or change the gender roles, then look at it again or see the reactions coming from outside.

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Vaz should grow up, get a life, and quit crying over every little thing.

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The product has been taken down and a search of the product came up empty, so Amazon prob took it down.

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Well, there's always eBay

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Wait, are you saying... the system works?  Inconceivable!  Quick, find something else to complain about!  Amazon can't possibly have support staff who spend their whole day taking down items that have been marked as containing offensive or inappropriate content!

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Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

I was afraid of when this would start to happen. The thing is, this isn't even remotely a smalll market or an unusual game over there. I've been studying Japanese and running around their web. There are whole sites like Amazon that sell these things via digital download. Most of the "studios" are one or two people that throw something together, and there are usually about five or six different webpages that they sell their stuff from in that form. There is no oversight, no procedure to go through. Rape isn't as taboo a subject over there as it is in other parts of the world. That doesn't make it right, and it is likely a lot bigger problem because of that, but that doesn't change the fact. They have a whole genre of movies based around it. There really isn't that big a step between live action movies staring dozens of people (their adult industry generally has larger budgets then ours) and two people, one who can draw and one who can program, putting out something.

I do beleive that this is a larger production and not a two person project, though. However, you are talking about regulating something, in another country, that isn't against their laws and isn't taboo in their culture. You who complain about the like of JT pushing their morality on you are trying to push your morality on others. The difference? This time it's something YOU find distasteful. This position is quite hypocritical.

As far as it selling on Amazon, please keep in mind it isn't being sold BY Amazon. Amazon has it's own EBay like process. That is the button where it says "Buy Used and New" or something like that. It was someone (or two seperate people) imported it, or went over then and bought it, then came back over and put it up for sale. There is a good chance that that violates obscenity laws in our country, and therefore the people selling them (if they reside in our country) should be fined or whatever the law states. The same for the U.K. However, I don't believe that we have the authority to tell the citizens of Japan that they aren't allowed to either view or create this subject (or any of the countless worse things they have over there).

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I notice Vaz still hasn't had the balls to talk directly to the games media, somebody who might actually challenge what he has to say.

I bet when he does bring this up in parliament, he plays the victim again like he did last time, claiming that the mean games websites are calling him names, as well.

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I see.  So a used copy of a game that is not commercially available in brick and mortar stores in the US or UK is bad.

But this is ok?

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1234444991/ref=sr_nr_i_16?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=left%20behind&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aleft%20behind%2Ci%3Avideogames

Or these?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=left+behind

So murder in the name of a Christian "God" is ok to be taught to children, but a fictional game sold as "used" is not?  (Note, someone mentioned "role-play" previously as "consentual".  Since this is a fictional game, technically, one could argue it to be "role-play".

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Double standards...got to love them :)

Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

wait.. wait..

 

so.. here in the UK, if i want to pay a random individual (not amazon itself) on the AMERICAN amazon site cash for this game, of which he ONLY has TWO COPIES... and THEN pay the vast import duties.. (recently got some stuff from the valve store, and the tax actually came to more than the stuff id ordered!) which is going to cost around £60 at least (around $100) then how on earth is this considered 'widely available'?

there are TWO copies on there. Sold by an individual (not restocked by amazon.com). And itd cost anyone in the UK an extortionate amount to import it. Plus youd need a credit card to pay on the US store since most standard uk payment methods (maestro/solo etc) arent accepted...

Where would a kid get the £60 neeeded?

where would a kid get the credit card to actually make the payment?

If two kids DID buy these two copies.. how is that widely available? That isnt a large percentage of the overal UK population last time i did the math. In fact try adding up on youf fingers vaz. You will quickly see that trying to count even the people you can see looking out the window you will run out of fingers fast, yet you can count the purchasers of this game with two. Not exactly the majority is it.

 

geez. This guy just loves the sensationalism. And hes is goddam slow, this was released in 2006.

and after the three years since its release..

do all the kids in britain now own a copy? ... no..

do even a significant number of kids in the UK own a copy?.. no..

Has the youth been majoritively corrupted by its influences? no...

 

oh looks like there was no need to raise it in parliament as an urgent waste of taxpayers money 3years ago then. And there certainly therfore isnt a need now.

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Lets hope that a few of the people in parliament have done their homework.

Because reading here on GP, most of us certainly have done our homework on AO games and how they are restricted except from being sold online for limited ammounts.

But sadly we are not the ones in power (because some people think of us as nothing but dicks) who can completely 1-up Keith Vass who is just an asshole who just wants to shit on everyone who is a gamer.

Sorry for my language, but I think you get what I am talking about here.

You know, from Team America, the world is full of dicks, pussies and assholes.

And Keith Vass is trying to scare the Pussies who can't parent their own kids.

TBoneTony

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If this guy has an actual job, why the hell isn't he doing it instead of searching on the internet for things to bitch about?

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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I... am torn by this issue.  I honestly don't know how I feel, or how I would want this to proceed.  I've known that the Japanese hentai scene puts out a lot of disgusting things.  Rape, lolicon, guro, etc.  And I personally hate that anyone would profit off, or play through, a game that depicts sexual assault.  Rape is horrible, I of many crimes that are as tragic.  The victims remain and suffer for years, sometimes for the rest of their lives.  And then there's material out there that glorifies the act that causes them such distress.  There are people that get their rocks off fanasizing about violence against women, which is disturbing and sad.

On the other hand, it's fictional.  And I'm a (usually) proud propontent of Free Speech.  It isn't a real act of rape.  There are no real victims.  And you can't really tell people what they should or shouldn't be aroused by.  At most, I can only say with certainty that I'd hate for minors to get their hands on this sort of thing.  But for the adults, well, I have a hard time justifying blocking it from adult use.

Although, you never know how the law is going to play out.  For example, lolicon is illegal in Canada, Australia, and a few European countries, on the basis that virtual child pornography is still child pornography.  And the US has the framework for a similar restriction in Federal law, they just haven't had the opportunity to test it out in courts.  I must admit, despite my feelings towards Free Speech, I have no desire to speak out against such laws.  I'd be satisfied to see lolicon get outlawed, if it was the will of the majority.  Do I feel the same for rape porn?  Possibly.  This might be one of those issues that I'd have to sit it out on the sidelines and let whatever happens, happen.

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The problem now is, the "will of the majority" could well be discriminatory. I mean, the "majority" probably wouldn't understand this stuff. That's partly why I'm so against the idea of "obscenity" because, it is so subjective, you cannot reasonably pass laws or anything against it, without essentially suppressing the rights of others.

Don't get me wrong, though; I certainly see where you are coming from.

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Yeah, it's just that I am having two of my principles clash, and I cannot decide which should take priority.  My love of Free Speech, or my hatred of the glorification of sex crimes?  That is why I'm unable to take a side, but no matter which I chose, I'd be a hypocrite.

On the issue of the "will of majority," I believe that sometimes it trumps other freedoms.  Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's bad.  Sometimes the courts have to step in and go agianst the majority, and sometimes the courts can side with them.  For example, I would have bet a few months ago that the majority believed that the issue of gay marriage was also an issue of gay rights.  Especially in a liberal State like California.  Yet, they banned gay marriage when the people went to the polls.  Interestingly, many of those who voted against gay marriage claim they approve of gay rights.  But they take the stance that marriage is a religious institution, and the church has every right to say that it is between a man and a woman.  Now it will go to the courts.  Is the majority right to say no?  Is it a civil issue, or a religious one?

(That was just an example, I'm not actually looking to start that debate, nor am I stating my own stance.)

But that leads into the issue of Free Speech.  During the campaign, there were several ads that you could call sensationalist and fear-mongering, in order to drum up more support for the ban.  These ads caused a great deal of outrage and condemnation for being unfair or unjust.  Yet, those ads are protected free speech.  They couldn't be stopped, and even as they lied, people would protect their right to lie and exagerate.

Americans are... extremists, to the rest of the world.  We are "cultural idealogues" (as opposed to religious idealogues, though we have some of that, too), indoctrinated from birth with the sactity of the three pillars of absolution.  Democracy, Capitalism, and The Bill of Rights (where freedom of speech comes from).  These are unquestionable truths, truths that most of us never shake.  Even when we don't study the alternatives, we have a collection of sound bites that perfectly rationalize our beliefs.  Most of us undeniably fear socialism without understanding it or recognizing that many socialist nations work just fine.  We don't trust that there are many Monarchies and Theocracies around the world where the people are happy and treated fairly.  And we believe that if a KKK rally were to be blocked, we'd all be enslaved by a Police State in less than a year.

The UK doesn't have a Constitutional right to Free Speech, but it is mostly upheld.  They view it on a case by case basis.  In fact, there is an issue just this morning about freedom of expression in the Uk.  A filmmaker is being prevented from entering the country to speak on his views from his movie.  He believes that Islam is a facist and violent religion, and because of this there is some question as to whether he poses a threat to public security and safety.  They are currently debating whether or not to let him in, but most seem to be siding with allowing him enter.  However, just a few years ago, a liberal Islamist cleric was also blocked from entering the UK.  This was a man who advocated civl rights and equality for women.  But he also saw validity in suicide bombers being used by "freedom fighters" against superior forces.  Because of this, the majority felt he was a threat to public security.

Most Americans here would say that both men should have the right to have their say.  But like I said, Americans are idealogues when it comes to free speech.  They adamantly believe in their moral superiority over other nations like the UK.

I say all this to pose a critical thinking exercise.  Perhaps Free Speech is not an absolute.  That it is not a Black and White issue.

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You are right on your last statement, freedom of speech is, and should never be, considered as black and white. And, I do see a lot of what you say, and I hate it.

Believe it or not, I am not a capitalist. I am an American socialist. A democratic socialist. But I hear people screaming, "IT'S COMMUNISM!!1!" in this irrational notion that apparently I want to strip away everyone's freedoms, and all this other shit.

Anyway...to me, take your example of the KKK. I often express that freedom of speech goes both ways. I think the KKK actually does have the right of expression, as long as, they do not do anything illegal such as property damage, or killings, or beatings, or killings. Or killings. But that means, we also have the same right, to walk up to the whole lot of them, and say, "Fuck y'all" and flip them off. Or anything else we want to say back at them. And actually, I'm going to say here, what I said at another place I go to, where there is a similar argument.

I do not support censorship at all. And I believe you have the right, to say whatever you want. But, I also believe in taste. For me, to walk up into a KKK rally, and do that, would be within poor taste, and I think, reflect badly on me. With the power of free speech, you must also exercise two other things; the power of responsibility, and the power of intelligence.

Basically, you can go around saying all you want, but it doesn't make you any less of an asshole. And, while you may have the right to speak whatever you wish, that still doesn't mean you can get way with anything you want. If you issue a bomb threat, yes, you should be prosecuted in court for it.

And don't get me wrong. I do not see America as superior to any other countries. In fact, I often criticize America. Not because I hate it, be because it could be better. To think we have some kind of moral superiority is just completely ridiculous. And I can definitely see why, in those two cases, those men were barred. Yes, I don't necessarily agree to it, but honestly, I do not criticize them for it either. It's their country, not mine. And while I may not agree to everything, nevertheless, I wouldn't go around screaming how they hate freedom, either.

I know it may sound black and white, but that is honestly not my intention. But perhaps I'm definining it differently.

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I agree with you there,

nothing is a simple black or white issue.

Sorry if I should talk about rape here, but I have had a friend who was raped and it was hard being there though her ups and downs even though I was only an online friend.

She had no one else to go to and I was only keeping her company on my email with her chatting and going though her emotions.

Sometimes she would not even play her favorite games like Final Fantasy 7 or Legend of Zelda because the main character was blonde, the same color of hair that the person who raped her had.

She would also not play Resident Evil because that was the same game she was playing on the day before she got raped.

It took her something like 3 months before she was able to play her favorite games again,

It was hard being her only friend at the time, but she imporoved to a point where even though she still has nighmares every now and then, she is still able to continue on with her life and back to playing her favorite games without being reminded of the incident.

now THAT takes allot of courage.

instead of saying that who ever made this game was a horribe person, perhaps we should think about how we would make a game using the theme of rape and how to develop it.

If you look closely at the storyline, no matter what you do you have to get your own way or else be killed or something. Not a nice game to play, but maybe because the developers wanted for people to have a serious think about the topic of rape and think about the social implications of such an act.

all I am saying is that we have to think in the minds of the developer and ask ourselves, are they really promoting violence against women? Or are they trying to convey a highly controversial message that is too hard to talk about in society?

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Rape in games isn't even anything new on the Japanese front, did anyone play the imported version of D2 on the Dreamcast? Every boss monster you fight has some enormous phallus that can impregnate you (successfully in the case of one npc). Is this freak out caused by the fact that no one realized this stuff was in existence, or because the player is the one actually acting on the impulse?

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As has been stated earlier we shouldn't fall into a 'at least we're not that' state of mind or argument when defending games.

I remember debating someone over this issue and she put up a list of potentially horrible games (in a slippery slope argument). One involved raping children (of course) one involved spreading a disease throughout the planet and killing everyone, etc. etc. She asked me if I would try to stop those games from being made or try to get government involved or something. My answer was simply No.

In fact I was tempted to one up her examples.

Really though if we fall into 'at least we're not that' we're not really advocating 'put your objections aside and let the game exist' we're advocating 'lower your standards'. While I probably wouldn't get the horrible games she suggested out of taste I'm not going to advocate they be censored if they were made.

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"one involved spreading a disease throughout the planet and killing everyone" Stupid Madagascar, always closing their ports... :(

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Guys this issue brings up one very important question.

How did Keith Vaz find out about this?

Did an angry citizen (or one looking to piss off Keith) send him a link?

Was he looking for games with rape to prove they exist? Note to Keith, you should have done this before saying there are games with rape out there. Second Note: when we say there are few games with rape we are excluding the Japanese.

Or was he looking for ... something else and got in over his head?

Seriously I want to know how he found out about it.

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I think it was Keith Vass who was trying to prove anything that Videogames have got rape in them.

To me, the Japanese Hentai market are completely in another castle when it comes to the marketing and selling videogames.

The Japanese Hentai market is only sold commercially in Japan in the Otaku districts, and nothing to do with the mainstreem videogame industry.

But what Mr Vass has no understanding of, is that Amazon.com can have products from various people who sell stuff they get from Japan to Otakus around the world so THEY can get a little taste of Japan from their online shopping market.

This is perfectly ok, because while all the Hentai games are kept off the Mainstreem stores, the Hentai games only being sold online require a person to give them the number of their creddit card or debbit card, that would usually be the responsibility of the parent not allowing their kids to shop online until they are at least 18 when they are old enough to shop online for themselves.

It all comes down to personal responsibility as a parent. But I don't think there is much around from what I have seen from different parents who conplain about their kids and not able to keep up with them and want the government to control everything that they do.

Also you have to give the right for an adult to chose what he or she does in their online life, virtual life, TV life and even in the real world.

Crimes you get punished for, should be better off being for what someone does in the real world, like real rape and real murder.

What we all do in a Videogame or watch on TV should not really apply because we are all living out our fantasies, or else it would be like being arrested because of a dirty dream an individual has, and I don't think that we all are clean in our dirty dreams because these are personal. Same with the games we play.

I think that Keith Vass might have had this on his plate for a while and finally started to say something about a game when he is desperate, but the only thing is that Hentai Games are NOT PART OF THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY and also Japanese Companies like Nintendo and SONY even SEGA back in their day would NEVER sell anything on their consoles with Hentai content.

We all know this at GP, lits just hope that the UK Government has got better people to explain about this because I am sure that Keith Vass has no understanding and he will try to smear the Videogame Industry out of this.

Let's just hope this does not turn into a legal battle against Politicians and the Industry, this is NOT what they needed.

TBoneTony

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Does anyone else think that he is just complaining about this because he wants to hide his own guilty sexual fantasy?  I mean, is it not the people in government who go nuts over "morality" the ones who are caught in the back seat of their BMW with their gay lover/prostitute?  I mean, really.  Was it not the play Hamlet where the line "I think [he] protests to much." was uttered?

I am calling it now.  Sex scandal involving rape play and...  what would be out there...  I got it, hampsters.  Something with hampsters.

Really, it is just he has been showing up here a bit too much recently and there is just not enough to make fun of anymore.  All the good matireal on him is gone.  I mean, I kinda feel bad not having anything that good.  He is just too dry.  I just can't land the shots anymore.  Really, all I had was the gay lover prostitute thing.  That is scraping the bottom of the barrel.  Sure rape is the most horrible thing someone can do to another person and yes, I dislike even hearing about rape (I am cool with rape play, so if that is what turns you on more power to ya, just not my thing) and I get really upset when I hear stories about it.  I cant even watch a movie with rape in it.  But I feel like I should at least be able to land a good zinger on Vaz no matter what the topic is.  Our opponents are just kinda lame nowadays.  It is like we lost the Joker (pick one, they were all cast the best no matter the series) and are now stuck with Mr. Freeze from "Batman & Robin".  I got nothing.

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When will people just wake up and understand that...

"The internet is for Porn and Hentai.

The internet is for porn and hentai,

why'd you think the net was born?

Porn and Hentai!"

it's in that song.

Also Amazon.com does sell unrated stuff, it is because Amazon are from America and it is covered by the 1st Admendment of the US Constitution.

 

Sadly Vaz will block his ears to reason and say "la la la, I can't hear you."

 

I also seem to recall that Vaz does not even play any Videogames, but he has kids who do play videogames, it always seems to be the politicians who have kids who are so afraid of the internet and things that they want to punish us adult's freedoms of speech just so they don't have to bother about parenting.

 

You know what I am getting at?

 

TBoneTony

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Since when was porn and hentai two different things?

Oh and I've seen the play live (but not before seeing that song a bunch of times).

I wonder if weren't for that Utah bill, would jack qualify for the song 'It Sucks to be Me'?

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Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

They're basically the same thing, just that hentai implies a specific cultural background to the piece.  If I had to point out any differences, it would be the same differences between typical western cartoons and anime: the japanese anime typically (read: almost always) possess greater elements of sequential storytelling.  Alot of porn are just one shot things, without any real story or motivation behind much besides sex.  Hentai is very similar, but at the very least most of them try to have some kind of motivation or story involved.  Some hentai series are in fact just that; series, with several episodes and an arcing storyline to its name.

Alot of cartoons are episodic in nature, whereas anime has an arcing storyline from one episode to the enxt.  His makes anime significantly more enjoyable to watch, and also allows it to deal with more adult topics for the older audiences better than cartoons could.  It's also why I tend to enjoy non-episode cartoons, like Teen titans. Yes they blatantly ripped off of the anime style, but it was still enjoyable for me to watch.  People should never call an anime a cartoon.  Technically thats correct, but it ticks us anime fans off .

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Yeah, I'm one of those who hates it when people refer to anime as cartoons XD

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I see them as different solely for the recognization of; one uses real people, and one is animated. That's pretty much it. So I call them by different terms.

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Now, I have no plans to buy nor endorse the game however there are a few points I want to raise

* Does this Brittish MP think he has the jurisitciton to tell a New York based reseller what he can and cant sell?

* Does this Brittish MP think he has the jurisitciton to tell a Japanese developer what they can and cant develop?

* Does this Brittish MP think he knows what is normal in the Hentai/Anime world?

He could do what he can to prevent it from being sold in the UK but his powers pretty much stop there. And this guy should just watch some anime porn, I mean you have women being raped by alien tenticals!!! Its not outside the norm over there (and yes real life rape is not condoned in anyway shape or form their neither).

Bloody hell Vaz, just prevent its sale in the UK  and leave it like that, people will be downloading it illegally of torrent sites anyways so its a non-issue

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Agreed, his jurisdiction is this country, and this country alone, he can complain to Amazon.co.uk, who have, now removed the software, but other than that, it is the responsiblity of other countries to deal with this as they see fit.

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After we are all done posting most of us are most likely going to go play a videogame. In most of said games we are going to kill someone, whether its immolating someone with a fireball, or splattering little nazi bits all over Europe.

Now, I don't support rape, (I think real rapists should be brought into the alley and shot) and I'm not trying to antagonize anyone here, but doesnt anyone else find it ironic, and a little hypocritical that we are bashing a game that has rape, when many of us enjoy games that have killing?

Also, from looking it up on wikipedia, it seems that the main character can actully die in it. Let this be a lesson to anyone who is thinking about rape. You might get away with it once, but there will be a time when the girl your trying to overpower slits your thoat.

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shot in an alley is to good for them, they sould be castrated and have their eyeballs popped out.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

Most of those games involve someone trying to kill you back, however. Even with a 'moral' at the end, this kind of sexual gratification is not acceptable in our society. If someone released a Video of a girl being raped, it would be stamped on, hard, and the same should be said for a Video Game.

A Violent movie can depict someone being blown away, or ripped in half or any other number of gruesome deaths, but we all understand it for make believe, same with Video Games, but Movies or Games that depict rape or the objectification of women for the sake of gratification are somewhat different, and certainly not acceptable in modern society when the scene is used purely for gratification, rather than as a story-telling tool. There's a slight difference with games like GTA, but the act of killing people does affect the plot, by making you have to deal with the Police.

It's not even a question of 'it'll encourage rapists', I doubt that in the extreme, but I do not accept that Video Games should have special dispensation any more than I accept they should be restricted. They are media, and each country has it's own tolerance for what that media should contain. There's a difference between using a Rape as part of the storyline and making an entire piece of Media all about raping women in several different ways. One is accepted as a narrative neccessity, the other is simply pointless, offensive, and likely to cause far more trouble for gamers and the gaming industry in general.

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"A Violent movie can depict someone being blown away, or ripped in half or any other number of gruesome deaths, but we all understand it for make believe, same with Video Games, but Movies or Games that depict rape or the objectification of women for the sake of gratification are somewhat different, and certainly not acceptable in modern society"

Erm... movies have been depicting rape for years.  Have you never seen the movie 'Boys Don'T Cry'?  Have you never seen 'The Lover'? 'Frenzy'? 'Apocalypto'? 'Blue Velvet', 'Straw Dogs' 'Deliverance', 'Scum', 'The Accused', 'Monster', 'Thelma & Louise', 'Rosemary's Baby', 'The Joy Luck Club', 'Death Wish', 'A Clockwork Orange', 'Sudden Impact' or 'Something Wild'?  All of these movies have been accepted in modern society because the rapes aren't real.
 

It's ALL make believe.  You can't seriously believe that rape in a game is more 'real' than murder in a game.  They are both pretend.

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In those movies, rape is part of a Storyline, they are not the entire content of the movie, they are used to tell a story, that's the reason they were allowed past the censors, also, none of those scenes broke obscenity laws.

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I think I’m going to join Daria_C on this.

Before I begin however, can I ask that we drop the whole “storyline” and “consequences” bit because let’s be honest now… that’s such a gyp. Many gamers hardly even care about the storyline while some developers even accommodate them… And as long as the game is entertaining, who really pauses to think about the consequences? Some games are going so far as to remove the “tedious” consequences these days.

So let’s take it from the morally objectionable point of view.

Rape, like killing, racism, sexism and what have you, is “bad” and it scares people. I totally understand. However, just like I feel the odd loony should be able to go on about religion, peace, love, etc, I also believe that the dregs of society should be allowed a voice. And if that voice so happens to include “morally objectionable” items… well, it shouldn’t matter. It’s our right to ignore what we find objectionable just as much as it’s another’s right to show it; so long as nobody is actually being physically hurt in the ordeal.

At the very least, we’ll know who we shouldn’t be hanging with.

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Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's

That's "one" point you addressed. And the one I asked to avoid because, again, "we should ban this game because it has no consequences" is such a gyp...

My reply?

You really believe that one hundred percent of gamers all "love" the exact same thing?

 
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