1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill is Fatally Flawed

February 12, 2009 -

As GamePolitics readers know, a Utah state legislator has introduced a Jack Thompson-crafted bill that would place retailers at risk of false advertising penalties if they fail to enforce content ratings for video games, DVDs and movie tickets.

While Thompson claims that the measure, H.B. 353, "raises absolutely no First Amendment issues," we asked Clay Calvert, Co-Director of the Pennsylvania Center for the First Amendment at Penn State to review the bill and offer an opinion.

After studying H.B. 353, Calvert pronounced it "fatally flawed," although not on the free speech issues. Instead, Calvert said that a lack of intent by retailers to sell games to minors essentially cancels out any false advertising claim.

This seems to be a backdoor attempt to use the ESRB’s voluntary rating system against sellers and distributors, assuming that some sellers and distributors actually do “advertise” that they don’t sell these games to a person “under the age restriction or recommendation”

The most obvious flaw with this legislation is that it conflates actual advertising (subsection i) with subsequent conduct (subsection ii) in order to create the offense.  In addition, it lacks a key scienter (state of mind requirement) regarding intent to sell.  Without this intent requirement, the measure is fatally flawed.
   
For instance, the current version of the Utah law on truth in advertising has another section that targets a person who “advertises goods or services or the price of goods and services with intent not to sell them as advertised.”  It also has a section that targets a person who “advertises goods or services with intent not to supply a reasonable expectable public demand.”  Both of these provisions include the critical intent requirement.  

Not to help out Jack Thompson or his legislative tool, but the provision could be more carefully crafted to target a person who “advertises that he will not sell a good or service labeled with an age restriction or recommendation to a person under the age restriction or recommendation but who in fact intends to sell such a good or service to a person under the age restriction or recommendation.”

 

Now let’s see if they make this change!

So, the bill is flawed in a legal sense, as opposed to a constitutional sense?

Yes. 

 

False and misleading advertising is not protected by the First Amendment. On the other hand, advertising that is truthful and that pertains to a lawful product [like video games] or lawful service is protected by the First Amendment, although it still may be regulated if the government can prove that it has a substantial interest that is directly advanced or served by that regulation.

I find it highly unlikely anyone would intentionally say that they won't sell certain rated games to minors knowing that they will, in fact, sell them those games.

UPDATE: (adding a clarification)

GP: I'd like to clarify a point. The way the bill is crafted now, you maintain that it is flawed because the video game retailer has no intent to defraud.

So, if Utah added the intent to defraud to the bill's language, the statute would be technically legal. But from a practical standpoint it would be an almost impossible case to bring forward, since the retailers' efforts not to sell to minors are pretty clear evidence that they want to abide by ESRB and do not have an intent to defraud. Is this correct?

Calvert: Exactly. If some teenage clerk accidentally and unintentionally forget to check an ID and sold a game to a minor, that would not be punishable as long as the intent of the store owner (or whoever actually "advertises") had no intent for such an incident to happen and instructed employees not to sell to minors.

UPDATE 2: Thompson has forwarded comments. Hit the jump to read his response.

 

Dear Professor Calvert:
 
I appreciate your taking the time to weigh in on the Utah fraudulent trade practices bill.  A couple of things I should like to note:
 
Rep. Morley is not my "legislative tool."  Did you actually utter the following to Mr. McCauley:  "Not to help out Jack Thompson or his legislative tool..."?  If so, you owe Rep. Morley an apology.  He's nobody's tool.  He wanted to sponsor this bill.
 
Secondly, don't  you think you and/or  GamePolitics have an obligation to disclose that you are for a repeal of all obscenity laws?  That's as extreme a position as one gets on the First Amendment...

 

Finally, you're wrong about the need for "intent" to be a state of mind only.  When a business states, as does Best Buy, in its advertising, that it will not sell "Mature" games to kids under 17 but it does, then "intent" can be inferred.  I know you're a "First Amendment lawyer" (meaning ACLU-type extremist), but you understand what "negligence" is, right?     Saying you, as a company, don't do something, when the Federal Trade Commission says you do, and that its stings prove it, then you're fully on notice that your representations to the public are false... 

 


Comments

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

If I had to pick one, I'd choose the EMA.  If they didn't like the NY bill, they're going to love this one.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

But but...

Jack is a first amendment expert too! After all, how else would he have appearances on 60 minutes and Fox News?

Damn, that was hard to type with a straight face.

 

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

We all knew that. That bill is as flawed as the asshole who created it.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

And the only one who fails to see how flawed the bill is the bill's author.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

If you think this is funny Wait until The bill fails the picture of JT sitting infront of a computer with a toilet on his head even though my statement is off-topic I'm refering to Jackie poo's statements that have been profanity laden(Bar trial series and a few articles that I forgot)

For those who want to know The toilet that is going to be on his head as a crown with the words King of all Hypocrytes (and potty mouths)

I meant that as a joke(and being sarcastic at the same time) and i'm not personlizing it just Making fun of him

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

Well, I think we were all expecting this.  Jack will probably find some way to claim that Mr. Calvert is "biased", whatever that means.

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Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

Not so much biased as he is working with the game industry and Florida Bar to humiliate and destroy Jack.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

Damn, the amount of time it took me to stop laughing cost me 1st poster rights.

Damn.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

Ah, but in JT's mind intent is exactly the issue.  He believes that game developers and retail outlets specificly intend to sell mature games to minors and are intentionally targeting them while saying that they do not.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

That's the sad part.  JT believes that the gaming industry is made up of evil men who sit around and cackle about how they're going to corrupt the youth while making a buck.  He believes the intent is there.  He just can't find a legal way to "expose" that intent. 

I wonder, after his probably too long life, will he look back and realize just how much time and effort he wasted?  Or will he even on his deathbed delude himself into thinking he was some sort of champion of justice?

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

You're talking about the man who was more than proud at being scolded for inputting porn into the public docket.

Do the math.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

I'm with Mordecai Richler: I always wanted to be a corruptor of youth!

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Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

But he can prove that, anyways, because he also believes the "videogame industry" is one single entity. He can´t prove that the entire industry is corrupt or "evil", as he would like to prove it.

By the way, Mr. Thompson, I already bought a couple of pound of tomatoes. I´m gonna use it to...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

make a fine sauce... (what did you expected?) :)

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Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Thompson's Utah Game Bill Fatally Flaw

Good news, indeed.

Jacky Boy loses again, though it is no surprise.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

But how... He's such a good lawyer!

 

Or lawyerish person anyway.

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Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

I always wondered about the intent aspect and now I know...

And knowing's half the battle!  GI JOE!

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

Dang, ya beat me to it. ;D

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Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

In short Jackie poo is pulling a Dr. Robotnick(as he already knows that it will fail)

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

Actually I'd say Dr. Robotnik is a more challenging adversary since he actually poses a mild threat. We don't need to fight old Jack because he sabotages himself by being an unlikeable, idiotic ambulance chaser.

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

Beating Dr. Robotnik often took more than just one attempt, I might add.

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game Bill

LOL  Then again are we surprised? Jack is the definition of EPIC FAIL :)

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

You know, how about a new word. CCFF.

"Colossal Clusterfuck Fail"

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

Hi, the ratings movie tickets is done by a ticketing systems of what kind?

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

LOL I think we can call that 2007-2009 for Jack :)

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

2007?

Thompson's amazing failures go back a lot further than that.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: 1st Amendment Expert: Jack Thompson's Utah Video Game ...

I was more thinking his grandiose clash with the bar that he lost. Viciously and hilariously lost:)

 
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