Amazon Pulls Rape Game Following News Report, Political Pressure

February 12, 2009 -

Last night GamePolitics reported on the outcry over a Japanese rape game offered on Amazon.com.

Among those expressing disgust over PC hentai title RapeLay was British MP Keith Vaz, long a video game industry critic.

At the time we predicted that - since RapeLay was offered as a used product by re-seller Hentaiguy - Amazon likely didn't know about the game and would do the right thing when they found out.

That now appears to be the case.

LifeNews.com reports that RapeLay has been removed from Amazon.com listings:

Amazon.com has dropped its listing for a controversial Japanese video game called Rapelay that involves raping women and forcing them to have abortions. The so-called "rape simulator" game was sold on the web site and included a graphic description of the gameplay.

Although a listing for the product is available through online searches, the link to it on Amazon's web page no longer functions.

We're also not finding any additional sales listings from Hentaiguy. Perhaps Amazon has shown him the door.


Comments

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This issue is a touchy one.  On one hand, by not pulling off the game, Amazon might be seen as promoting rape.  By pulling it, though, they protect their image.  Which is more important to Amazon, the 99% of consumers that aren't buying the game, or the 1% outraged that they're denied this game?

 

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"Harvard studies found that: 'Consumers of pornography are likely to believe that women want violent sex, want multiple partners at the same time, and want to be dominated and degraded. This unfortunately is how more and more men view "sex" and the role of women in their lives. When women challenge or won't conform to the role that pornography presents them, they are seen as cold or as "bitches." (2008)..."
 
I think this is very near the truth that this is what most consumers of pornography belive or thinks in regards to women. I don't know it is in other countries, but in Denmark the fashion sexually right now is that women do want sexual partners, often 2-3 or more, at the same time. Swinger-clubs are doing OK, even better than OK. Some women (or most women) also like to be dominated in an
S/M-like way, role-playing 'submission' games with men (or women). Most Danish women I know would like to feel the masculinity of their man, and by that I mean, that she safely can put her fate - at least sexually - in the hands of her husband or boyfriend. She wants to feel his desire - for her.
 
This has absolutely nothing to do with how Danish women perform on the jobmarket. There's a time and place for everything. And the sexual acts are for the weekend and the evenings, maybe the vacations, too.
 
As for Amazon pulling the game, I don't really care. They can do whatever they want. It is their site. However, I still think adults should be allowed to buy and play this game. I want to say that I strongly oppose rape and think it should be punished severely. However, as someone already pointed out, you can buy the game 'irreversible' on amazon with the full 13 minutes rape scene; you can probably also buy the movies 'saw' and 'postal' --- very violent movies. You can probably also still buy a game like Condemned on amazon...
 
And while we may abhor over such a game, I'm actually more abhorred and appalled over the torture scene in Wrath of the Lich King, the expansion pack for WoW. I don't go out demanding that this game be removed...from amazon... because I know that one day someone will complain about Mass Effect (someone already did, it seems) or Dragon Age: Origins....where you can kill an innocent? man in a cage... just to get a key...
 
 

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Ignorance is bliss eh. It won't matter how much solid scholarship comes out about this, as there is already so much of it, some people will still stick their heads in the sand.

It makes you realise why good research and science is just wasted. People are going to believe what they want to believe. Which is a part of what Jensen talks about in his book, people just don't want to acknowledge the data regardless of the huge variety of sources that are saying the same thing.

Even when it comes from gamers, porn makers and men coming forward to say that they have been really screwed up by playing really violent games and in particular with violent sexual content.

There is something about the psychology sexual identity that CAN be badly affected for a signficant percentage of men. Once you read this book you will see how some guys are really affected by watching violent Japanese games and it takes them ages and lots of therapy to get these images out of their heads, particularly in their subconscious dreams and sex fantasies. 

But these guys experiences are being ignored completely and worse; are shot down and regected and new players are not aware that games can leave an imprint on the subconscious. It's a bit like what's happened for guys who have seen action and had their experiences completely ignored.

 

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The one flaw you can likely see in theory about these japanese games is that Japan has a relatively low crime rate for an industrial nation.  Now, we will likely not know how many japanese play games like Rapelay, but if there was a cause and effect like you believe above, then crime in Japan would be alot higher.  People get "screwed up" by lots of things in this world, are we going to go around and ban anything and everything that screws us up(or what we believe causes us to be screwed, ie a fundamentalist christian would likely demand that anytihing that they believe associates evil, maybe Harry Potter books, should be banned from production/market)?

People have been killing and raping long before games or even mass media came about.  Perhaps, these people were just inclined to commit a violent crime, even if they never touched these violent games/porn.  However, if you are advocating the banning of material that can promote violence, we should likely also include the bible, koran, and any other book/media that has been used to justify violence or people used to support their violence.  Lets not be hypocritical at least.

Yes, Rapelay like games are likely offensive.  However, to be fair lots of things could be considered offensive.  Like the above, to a fundamentalist christian, a book on vampires/witchcraft or some sexuality book at your local bookstore would likely be considered offensive and they may demand that it be pulled off the shelf.  Then again some non christian may be offended by the christian fiction/living or the bible section of a book store and may demand it be removed.  Where does it stop?  Pretty soon a retail store wouldn't have anything on their shelves.

 

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So let me get this straight? Cause I enjoy rape fantasy and perhaps even a game about it I don't know how to treat women right? Or Men? I can't establish a difference between fiction and reality?

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It's theoretically possible that, had your ideas of fiction and reality not already been entirely set in stone, they could be swayed by "damaging" material (such as a game that gets the protagonist, who is controlled by you, to rape a woman and children).

Besides which, some more sensitive people might just be disturbed by it enough to bother them for quite a while.

None of these studies say "every single person that witnesses these acts/games/etc is affected", they say some do, usually in comparison with a control group where fewer or none do.

Other studies say objectifying material correlates to violence against women. For obvious reasons this must be taken with a pinch of salt; people that are already violent against women are likely to go for said material. And nowhere does it suggest that a normal person will instantly be transformed into a rapist by watching/interacting with the material.

It would be the complete and utter submersion into the theme - surrounding yourself with the material so much that it skews what you believe to be 'normal' - that would be most damaging.

 

(Again, I don't understand how one enjoys a rape game if one considers rape to be wrong and hurtful. But I've plastered that all over the comments by now.)

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"(Again, I don't understand how one enjoys a rape game if one considers rape to be wrong and hurtful. But I've plastered that all over the comments by now.)"

The exact same way one enjoys a murder game even though one considers murder to be wrong and hurtful.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Is it?  We can discuss semantics all we want, but murder and rape aren't necessarily the same.

 

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IMO murder is worse because you are dead. Have you heard the rapesurvivor mantra which is essentially you aren't dead, carry on with your life, one moment doesn't define you as a person.

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Are you sure you replied to the right comment?  Your post doesn't make any sense as a reply to mine.


Andrew Eisen

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"It's a bit like what's happened for guys who have seen action and had their experiences completely ignored."

Do correct me if I'm wrong but are you comparing the trauma resulting from the real horror war vets witnessed and participated in to people playing video games and experiencing an obvious virtual fantasy?

 

Andrew Eisen

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All you're doing is selling a junk science book based on maybe a few people out of millions and millions who haven't been affected at all.

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And all your doing is denying the growing amount of scientific evidence that some people, shock horror, are damaged by interacting with violent porn games. What you've got to realise is that more and more men will come forward with complaints of psychological disturbances and difficulties after playing these games because they are relatively, in the history of modern society, new and few.

We are seeing a big experiment going on with more and more exposed to this shit at younger and younger ages. As these guys grow up and get older we are going to see the real consequences of masses of men being exposed to this sort of garbage.

But hey, if you don't like what they have to say don't listen! Some of us are interested in what is going in society and not just our own circle. It's hard to be objective and way up all the information yourself, but hey that's proper science and that's what I believe in.

Thank God for impartial scientific debate!

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Then don't shove this alledged "research" in people's face and expect them to listen.

We're simply not seeing this fallacy of yours. Denying what, exactly? Buddy, I can sense bullshit through eight miles of lead enforced concrete through a blizzard and on a distant planet in a galaxy far far away, so who's interested in what's going on in society again? The status quo is fine from my vantage point.

If you want to talk about "proper science", science cannot actually prove something true; it can only prove something false. You will never hear a decent scientist call anything "truth", because science doesn't deal in truth, that's why everything's called a "theory".

Finally, this "big experiment" goes back to parenting. Sounds to me like you're trying to blame this non-existant "problem" on Hollywood or something instead on the parents that allow their children to view what they want.

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Harry10 you are a brave man! While the rest of these guys hide behind the freedom of speech act and some bogus ideology that culture has no shaping influences on the individual, there are other men who are right behind you bro! We have to stand up and let these sleezy creeps know that although, as you continually pointed out, we cannot ban the representations of their hellish nightmare of a sexuality, we can join together and take comfort that there are men out there strong enough to fight this cancer!
 
Here are some quotes that confirm that there are like minded men who will not be silenced by those who peddle in pain and fear by same old freedom of speech rant! You need to read this book harry10 as it will restore your faith in men: Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity, Robert Jensen 2007
 
‘The self, born vulnerable, forms identity through identifying with “images” (Lacan)
 
Video games' shape real-world identities based upon the overlap (not the differences) in the virtual self and the real-world self (Griffin 2007)
 
Porn director Jules Jordan says: "One of the things about today's porn and the extreme market, so many fans want to see so much more extreme stuff that I'm always trying to figure out ways to do something differently. But it seems everybody wants to see a girl doing double penetration now or a gang-bang. A lot of fans are becoming a lot more demanding about wanting to see the more extreme stuff. It's definitely brought porn somewhere, but I don't know where it's headed from there." (2007)
 
Harvard studies found that: 'Consumers of pornography are likely to believe that women want violent sex, want multiple partners at the same time, and want to be dominated and degraded. This unfortunately is how more and more men view "sex" and the role of women in their lives. When women challenge or won't conform to the role that pornography presents them, they are seen as cold or as "bitches." (2008)...
 
These men here your pain bro. 

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A 1968 United States Supreme Court decision which held that people could view whatever they wished in the privacy of their own homes caused the United States Congress to fund the President's Commission on Obscenity and Pornography, set up by President Lyndon B. Johnson to study pornography.

The commission's report, called Report of the Commission on Obscenity and Pornography, and published in 1970, recommended sex education, funding of research into the effects of pornography and restriction of children's access to pornography, and recommended against any restrictions for adults. The report was widely criticized and rejected by Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Commission_on_Obscenity_and_P...


"Several weeks ago, the National Commission on Obscenity and Pornography-appointed in a previous administration-presented its findings.

I have evaluated that report and categorically reject its morally bankrupt conclusions and major recommendations.

So long as I am in the White House, there will be no relaxation of the national effort to control and eliminate smut from our national life."

Richard M. Nixon
October 24, 1970

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=2759

 

And how exactly do you plan on fighting this cancer if you're not advocating bans?

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And yet another jabroni troll runs his mouth.

And yet another instance of using "studies" that amount to talking about absolutely nothing at all.

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"Consumers of pornography are likely to believe that women want violent sex, want multiple partners at the same time, and want to be dominated and degraded"

 

Surely that does say something?

 

Either, that people who think women want violent sex etc go to porn to find it, which would have no relevence.

Or, than the portrayal of characters in porn influences (some) people's ideologies of women.

 

There are some people whose idealogies are indestructable. They know, 100%, that women deserve equal treatment and that both parties must 100% consent, without coersion, to everything. These people probably recieved good sexual education from their school or parents.

And there are people whose ideologies are constructed from heresay and half-truths because they never had the opportunity to find out the facts. Rape porn (particularly where the woman ends up enjoying it - never going to happen, even rape fantasy is actually planned with a trusted partner and at least consented) and violent porn games only reinforce these half truths.

These people are to porn games what children (and nutjobs) are to violent games. They are too suseptable to their influence for it to be safe. The problem is that while you can generalise by age for violence because you generally learn "hitting is bad" in school and if you do hit someone, they're likely going to squeal about it. With sexual behaviour, that's often not taught in school (not counting the basics of "put this in here, wear condom, the end" that sex ed consists of more often than not) suddenly you've got teenagers and adults that, quite frankly, have no idea what they're doing.

 

The woman is then effected because her opinion is desreguarded ("Ha, you're just playing hard to get, obviously, you want me."), she is treated unfairly when she doesn't want it because "normal women would", or she's outrightly raped (which, it goes without saying, is far less common than the previous two)

 

It also goes without saying that the 1st group of people (the 100% sure, gentlemanly group) probably occupies a far larger population than the 2nd. It's just that the 2nd are getting more focus here because they are the problem.

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So he's not entitled to an opinion but you are? Isn't that censorship?


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Where did I say that the jabroni "wasn't entitled to an opinion"? I was stating an opinion that he was yet another troll.

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Yeesh, let it go.

It's japanese interactive pornography. Amazon.com can do whatever the hell they want for the most part, they are publically traded.

Though I haven't read the previous comments here, I am curious to see how people justify GTA's sexual content and cry out against this content.

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Er, GTA has consensual PG-13 sex, Rapelay has rape.

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GTA also has mass murder and torture....

is rape somehow 'worse' than mass murder and torture?

 

Please clarify.

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If you looked at the previous comment it was clearly about the sexual content contained in the game, he did not question the violence in the game. He clearly compared consensual sex with non-consensual sex, he did not compare the violent content of GTA with the sexual violence of Rapelay.

Also I can't actually think of any torture in GTA off the top of my head, but please remind me.

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There's a mission in San Andreas where a guy is tied to the hood of your car and you drive around on the freeway in Las Venturas.

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Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Fair enough, but it was played out in a comical context.

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... so if this game had rape in a 'comical context' that would make it more

 acceptable?

 

As far as 'he didnt mention the violent content in the question' thats a cop out! You still tried to say that gta is allowed since it is 'tamer' thank this rape game. I just merely pointed out that that isnt the case.

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I hear a few debates going on here, 1) freedom of speach needs be upheld-a debate I agree with. I am not suggesting this game should be banned. 2) characters in games do not depict real individual people and therefore any act a game character is programmed to possibly do is not depicting a 'real' act with flesh and blood people and therefore cannot do any harm-I think there is some conflating physical harm-(embodied flesh harm and violence) with psychological mental and emotional harm (upset, trauma etc). and 3) A perspective that the way 'we' as a culture depict ourselves and others should be considered to be free of the type of responsibilities that individuals are made to adhere to if they say make a racist drawing of a fellow work mate on the toilet wall, because we are not causing 'real' individuals physical or emotional harm.

However, I feel that representations of this kind do inflict real pain, trauma and hurt and I think that we should respect that some people do feel this type of pain, even if we ourselves do not. It is not enough to say 'I' don't feel it and therefore it is not 'real' or it is their own making or paronoid dillusion. I think if we ignore other peoples discomfort then we don't deserve their respect either, and so it goes round and round. I find this type of material causes me to feel real shame and anger and I see it all over the globe now, especially on the net and in games. I taotally disagree with the earlier comment that depictions of rape are rare. Movies and music are full of sexual violence, Sin City etc.

I think the argument that Porn is not available to kids is a complete cop out. I mean come on! It's so easy to get porn on the net that you be hard pressed to find an 8 year old boy (or probably girl) who hasn't seen porn nowadays. Can we not even have this conversation without freaking out that the games will be banned? Can't we leave that aside and say, hang on guys where the hell is going? What the hell is going on in if we can't even discuss that really hard core sexual violence against women and girls has become far more widely available. I don't know about you but I was born in the late 70's and it wasn't as available then.

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"I think that we should respect that some people do feel this type of pain, even if we ourselves do not."

Why don't these people just refrain from seeking out and playing entertainment material that would cause them pain?  Or are you suggesting that knowledge of the mere existence of this game is enough to cause pain?

"I taotally disagree with the earlier comment that depictions of rape are rare. Movies and music are full of sexual violence, Sin City etc."

I honestly can't think of any rape in the Sin City film (doesn't mean it's not there but nothing comes to mind).  Granted, Yellow Bastard is a child molester/rapist but I don't recall a scene depicting that.

Of course, that's beside the point.  I can name several films  with rape (can't think of any songs but popular music doesn't interest me) but it's still such a small number compared to the number of works out there that I think "rare" is a very appropriate description.

And finally, what point are you making with your last paragraph?  I don't mean that as an insult, I'm just truly not picking up on it.  Yes, kids today have an easier time accessing porn then we did when we were kids.  So what?

 

Andrew Eisen

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You know what, I think this might come down to sensibilities. Maybe some of us pick up on these type of violent depictions and are disturbed and upset and want to speak out about it. What I see as different today, especially with the advent of the internet, is some creepy men not only pushing out but also constructing more and more sexually violent material. In porn, in music and in games. I find I've got to screen out stuff now and that I can't talk openly about the sadness I feel for, what I see as, a growing trend to just shock and wollow in shit. Just wanting to watch ourselves hurting women and girls.

I get sick of it, GTA really revolted me. Creepy nasty shit. To the bone. I played a few times and I thought what a load of unoriginal shit. Same old same old. I guess the much earlier comment was right, what do we expect of Japanese games like this now. Close ups of tears from a little girl. How thoroughly entertaining. What next eh lads? Rape the baby? Fist ya granny? I'm glad I was born in a time when not as much of this stupid mindless hateful rubbish was spat out. I guess I'm alone on this forum. I'll go to another forum and chat to blokes about it there. I guess this world is too harsh for old timers like me... I like women and girls too much as mates maybe? Who knows.

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I'm starting to think that you might be a troll, given how you ignore everyones comments and restate yours...but I'll feed you none the same.

Implying that those of us that play violent video games have somesort of lessened capacity for empathy is offensive to me. It's different, learn to live with difference. I can apply your mindset to exactly the type of person you claim to despise in your posts.

"Why should I respect women, they're so different and weaker than me. Nothing they do is worth anything, men rule the world and no other view is allowed"

See? It's easy once you allow only one view and disregard everything else.
You hated GTA, eh? From a gamers perspective I'd ask "which one, there's atleast half a dozen by now" but moving on and running with it. Good, now you know you don't like sandbox games with a violent focus. Suck it up and move on. But to try to somehow claim that your dislike of it creates a slippery slope scenario where we end up fisting grandmothers is so absurd that trying to recreate such a connection is hard.

If you can't handle being replied to on this comment section of Gamepolitics (this isn't a forum) then I guess you've never really had your views tested. Your arguements have been refuted, answered and rebutted time and time again yet you never amend them, change your angle or anything. It's always "It's bad because I say it is and it should be banned because I don't want this kind of stuff."

It's an unhealthy view to have...yes...unhealthier than, say, liking Rapelay and being open to other opinions. Amazing, right? That one can like something like that and not be a serial murdering granny fister.

Meh...the more I write the more I'm convinced you're just a troll...ah well.
I'm off to commit some crimes due to my gender and/or race! (Amirite Harry10?)
Toodles.

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As harry10 has clearly been chased off by people like you who actually refuse to read his entries, he was never asking to have the game banned, and who delight in bullying others who have a 'different' outlook than you, here is some information from outside of the game bubble. Yeah that's right, from those who actually are really involved and doing research and shit. I though this site was for political commentry as well? Not just personal rants? Harry10 at least never reverted to calling any of you all lame little names... Speaks volumes really. Read it and weep dickhead:

‘The self, born vulnerable, forms identity through identifying with “images” (Lacan)

 

Video games' shape real-world identities based upon the overlap (not the differences) in the virtual self and the real-world self (Griffin 2007)

 

Porn director Jules Jordan says: "One of the things about today's porn and the extreme market, so many fans want to see so much more extreme stuff that I'm always trying to figure out ways to do something differently. But it seems everybody wants to see a girl doing double penetration now or a gang-bang. A lot of fans are becoming a lot more demanding about wanting to see the more extreme stuff. It's definitely brought porn somewhere, but I don't know where it's headed from there." (2007)

Harvard Studies found that: Consumers of pornography are likely to believe that women want violent sex, want multiple partners at the same time, and want to be dominated and degraded. This unfortunately is how more and more men view "sex" and the role of women in their lives. When women challenge or won't conform to the role that pornography presents them, they are seen as cold or as "bitches." (200

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"As harry10 has clearly been chased off by people like you who actually refuse to read his entries"
People like you, since you seemed to have missed my point entirely.

All your comments (the ones posted atleast since you seemed to have trailed off there) do nothing but confirm what I and others have said. Lets go through them, shall we?

‘The self, born vulnerable, forms identity through identifying with “images” (Lacan)
Those of you forming your identity via a game called Rapelay already have problems. I see no reason any "unformed" individual would really identify with the images therein without having been exposed to something much worse earlier in life.

Video games' shape real-world identities based upon the overlap (not the differences) in the virtual self and the real-world self (Griffin 2007)
Exactly. The OVERLAP, NOT THE DIFFERENCES. Very little overlap between the majority of men and the main character of Rapelay.

"Porn director Jules Jordan says...[SNIP]"
Yes? And? Fans of extreme porn want extreme porn. Why is this news? Jules Jordan is running out of ideas for what he should put in his porn, or fans just want the extreme bits. This has nothing to do with Rapelay, identifying men as rapists, the portrayal of women in porn etc etc.

Last quote doesn't cite a source, but a study that shows that kind of development is indeed worrying. However, a uncited source is unreliable.

"Harry10 at least never reverted to calling any of you all lame little names...Read it and weep dickhead"
Hypocrit troll is hypocritical, eh?

When your views are challenged, one should aim at lending them more support. I believe Harry10 has failed to support his views in the public...well, not forum but certainly the public comment section of GP!
Another thing...people like me? You mean those who realize that once we ban something due to personal preference we open up a can of worms that'll devour everything we truly care about? Yes...yes I am one of those people.

If no one gets hurt in meatspace I wouldn't mind if a pedophilic, animal slaughtering, human rights abusing, necrophilic rape simulator with console attachments came out. You know why? Because it is, after all, just...a....game.
What scares me is that people like YOU, Omar, seem to not understand the difference.

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I don't think the amount of "creepy nasty shit" has increased, only that modern technology has made it easier to find.

 

Andrew Eisen

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For every rapeplay there are games that do not rely on shock value or exploring taboos. This game isn't mainstream by any definition. There will always be games/movies/whatever that push the envelope for whatever reason and then there's good games that don't need to rely on that to be controversial.

Porn is a big business and yet you don't see a ton of mainstream games trying to be porn, that may be due to the Ao kiss of death, but still. You don't see Nintendo involved in this stuff (or even making M games).

There's a market for this stuff so it exists, although there's still a market for clean games.

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When discussing whether or not this particular game should be banned one should keep in mind one thing.

If it weren't for Vaz making a fuss over it most of us would probably have never heard of it.

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By political pressure, they mean one asshole that has no business deciding what people can and can't sell on the internet.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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But how can it be fun to pretend to rape a crying child? I don't get it.

And the way you describe it, it's not just a game, it's an "experience".

Why would you want to experience what it's like to rape a child?

This is so wrong... are any of you guys fathers?

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Speaking as a mod, please use the reply button.

Speaking as just me, you don't have to get how Rapelay can be fun.  I don't understand how anyone can tolerate Dragon Ball Z.  Bad animation, bad story, bad fight choreography, unappealing character design, lousy dub, repetitive and unimaginative story, etc.  The show, to me, has absolutely no redeeming characteristics whatsoever.  But that's okay.  Some people like it and that's fine.  I just don't watch it and it doesn't bother me.

Same thing with Rapelay.  It's obviously not for you and you will probably never understand why anyone would want to play it much as I'll never understand why anyone would willingly watch DBZ.

On another point, Rapelay cannot let you experience raping a child any more than GTA can let you experience screwing a hooker.  Why?  Because you're not actually doing it.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I wish I could slap you with a dueling glove. I like DBZ because I watched it when I was little, which I suspect is why most people like it. And to all those accusations, I have just this to say: the dubbing wasn't that bad.

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If I may add to that taking out the story or consiquences or rather it's interactive or not. Why is one fictional act of violence any worse then another? Speaking on the level of someone who hates real life violence. I mean if one act in game is absolutely awful and interolerable not just not for you, why not all acts?


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taste.

Oh and probably because our culture has a much greater tolerance for violence in our pop culture. Here in the US we were founded on a bloody revolution which we celebrate every year, our national anthem mentions war, we've been in several wars (one civil) and well it's just more prevalent.

James Bond, and most action movies in general have lots of violence and murder (in fact my state elected an action hero star as our governor). Rape on the other hand is rare in pop culture, you'll hardly ever see it in even horror movies.

Ethically speaking having one set of pixels rape another set of pixels is just as neutral as killing the piels. It's all a matter of taste what one minds in their entertainment.

Now before this gets spun I'm just saying fictional violence desensitizes us to fictional violence and I betcha I can easily find people who like Saw for the violence but would still be disgusted over of a picture of a real bloody soldier.

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You make several mistakes here.

1. You assume only fathers would understand the pain of a crying child.

2. You disreguard the deep sexual and phsychological undertones here. Not everyone playing these games imagines themself in the seat of the abuser and some people actually do get into this stuff as a coping mechanism. I like to feel pain real or fictional because it makes me understand the world better in a sense.

3. You assume that this is anything like raping a real child. I know 100% from having it happen to me that it's not. There is no such thing as a realistic rape game. Again you mis understand the complexities here. Rape is about having power over a real living thing and making it less then you. Whiel real rapists may enjoy this game, they will not get near the same buzz, they will not achieve what they want, and they will not start raping because of it.

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Just wanted to say thanks to the guys who've spoken out about this. It is frightening to think that there are people out there who think it's fun to act out child rape scenarios.

As for women's fear of violence ... I have three brothers and a lot of male friends. Of course I'm not frightened of all men. Am I frightened of being dragged off the street and raped by a stranger when I'm walking home at night - yes I am.

I was trying to rent a room in my flat last year and the constant complaint I had from women coming to see it was that the street was too dark and lonely.

Have I given in to men in the past because I've been frightened about what they might do if I don't ?- yes I have. Have I ever had the impression in the past that a man has got a kick out of me being scared ?- yes I have. I don't go to the park any more because last time I went I was accosted by three drunks and there was no-one else around.

I think you'll find most women have had similar experiences, although not walking home alone in the dark is such a fact of life that it's hardly worth mentioning.

These games are not innocent. You should ask yourselves why you want to play them.

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"These games are not innocent. You should ask yourselves why you want to play them."

Sadism

If you are a little sadistic it might be fun to watch people suffer while at the same time remembering in the back of your head no one is actually being hurt in the process.

Not that I'm sadistic or anything that would just be my guess.

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You know that most women are raped or killed by someone close to them? And a good deal of spouses are killed by their lover or married partner male or female.

Also of course a game about sex is not innocent. But It only hurts people who want to let it hurt them. Much like an episode of South Park or Law and Order: SVU. Does what get's said and goes on have a scary basis in truth or sometimes get directed in a heavy handed way? Yes? But does it physically harm someone? No. Does it emotionally hurt them? Only if they're already in the state to be hurt.

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"These games are not innocent. You should ask yourselves why you want to play them."

Yes, they are.  They're just games.  They can't hurt anyone.  Why would someone want to play them?

-Fun.

-To experience something new.

-Because it's taboo.

There are lot's of perfectly acceptable reasons.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Ignoring the personal "the depiction of rape is going to put me off for several months", the game is damaging in the hands of someone that isn't 100% when it comes to good sexual manner.

 

This is obviously going to differ from place to place but where there is poor sexual education, people start building their 'rules' from heresay. Things like "Well, when she says no, she actually means yes, she's just playing hard to get" and "She deserved it", "It's your right to obtain sex from this 'object'" are damaging socially, and this game would reinforce some of those (with the revenge ideals, mainly. And the fact that said revenge stems from the fact the protagonist got arrested for attempting to grope her, which I assume she would have reported)

 

If you know 100% that it's wrong to rape in all circumstances (and not knowing anyone here, I wouldn't doubt anyone is) then you're good to go. I personally can't comprehend why it would be enjoyable and I don't think I ever will.

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Okay, if Rapelay is the only form of sexual education a person receives, yes I imagine their views would be a bit skewed.  But that's not the fault of the game but of some amazingly horrid upbringing.

If this person also had no concept of right and wrong, couldn't differentiate between fantasy and reality, and had no understanding of personal rights, yes, that would probably not be a pleasant person to be around.  And it still wouldn't be the fault of some obscure Japanese hentai game.

 

Andrew Eisen

 
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