Amazon Pulls Rape Game Following News Report, Political Pressure

February 12, 2009 -

Last night GamePolitics reported on the outcry over a Japanese rape game offered on Amazon.com.

Among those expressing disgust over PC hentai title RapeLay was British MP Keith Vaz, long a video game industry critic.

At the time we predicted that - since RapeLay was offered as a used product by re-seller Hentaiguy - Amazon likely didn't know about the game and would do the right thing when they found out.

That now appears to be the case.

LifeNews.com reports that RapeLay has been removed from Amazon.com listings:

Amazon.com has dropped its listing for a controversial Japanese video game called Rapelay that involves raping women and forcing them to have abortions. The so-called "rape simulator" game was sold on the web site and included a graphic description of the gameplay.

Although a listing for the product is available through online searches, the link to it on Amazon's web page no longer functions.

We're also not finding any additional sales listings from Hentaiguy. Perhaps Amazon has shown him the door.


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I feel this is where cultural differences come into play.

 

In the UK, guns are illegal because people that don't feel they have any responsibility would be completely stupid with them. So, pre-emptively, get rid of the guns, avoid rid of the problem in the first place and prevent a couple of shootings, probably of the crime of passion sort. (Theoretically. Obviously with the exception of the black market). If people were educated about them, maybe the law could be relaxed. Binge drinking chav culture isn't the best place to introduce it.

Therefore it follows, logically, that to prevent people being completely stupid with damaging, violent depictions of sexual relationships, it would be wise to not have them in the first place, and possibly prevent a few rapes and social/sexual misunderstandings when people that aren't educated learn from 'normal' porn. If people were properly educated, then perhaps introducing this sort of thing wouldn't be such a problem.

It's more the fact that, inevitably, someone will have that horrible upbringing, learn from 'harmful' sources that reinforce harmful behaviours. So why not prevent it in the first place.

 

In the US (which I'm assuming you're from, my apologies if not), guns aren't illegal, so the attitude towards banning harmful things is completely different.

 

Obviously the arguement is flawed as far as gang warfare isn't being executed with Hentai.

Also, the idea of rape fantasy is completely out of my 'safe/comfort zone' so I still find it incredibly difficult to see anything in the game's favour, which is then going to bias my opinion.

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“In the US… guns aren't illegal, so the attitude towards banning harmful things is completely different.”

Sorry but you can't compare guns to a video game.  Guns can hurt people, video games can't (at least not unless you hit someone over the head with one really hard).

I have seen absolutely no evidence supporting the theory that Rapelay or its ilk could cause someone to rape someone else in real life.

"It's more the fact that, inevitably, someone will have that horrible upbringing, learn from 'harmful' sources that reinforce harmful behaviours. So why not prevent it in the first place."

Because then you'd be infringing on the rights of those that want to consume such entertainment and where do you stop?

Let's say this hypothetical person with no sense of right and wrong and no ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality learned everything he knows from Friday the 13th movies.  Without any other form of input, this person might grow up thinking it's perfectly acceptable to hack up loose moraled teenagers.  So, because this could possibly happen, should we ban slasher movies?

And on another note, I don't think I'll ever understand how someone can be upset over a game with a rape play mechanic while not batting an eye over the thousands of others where you kill people.  Murder and rape are both horrible, horrible things.  Why is one acceptable as a play mechanic and the other not?

 

Andrew Eisen

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Damnit!! I totally wanted to buy one of the 2 copies that were "widely available".

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What some of you are missing is that this does make a HUUUGE impact. I for one am impacted by the fact that so many women are really frightened of men. It is not a matter of people rationally saying to themselves that all this sexually violent material currently saturating the market, mostly directed against women and girls, is not 'real'; it is more a matter of it generating a culture of 'real' fear, anger and upset people. Is it any wonder a lot of women are really suspicious of men? They are the ones that have way up the situation and think to themselves 'okay I will go up for a coffee', or 'I will accept that drink and stick around to see where this might go' or 'I will have sex with this guy and hope he doesn't get violent' etc etc. I mean with all the trully nasty stuff men pump out in our society it is a wonder any women trust us enough to be alone at all! And what messages is this shit sending to young boys? We are constructing a culture where masculinity is depicted as a really monstrous thing and we are just letting these few idiots speak for us. We need to let the broader population of women and boys know that we are also really repulsed by this and not only when it's being pulled from the counter. I for one would looooove to live in a world where I could actually walk down a street at night and not see some woman walking ahead quicker because she is affraid I'm going to hurt her. So, to get to the point, this shit does make a big impact, maybe not on you directly but it creates a climate of fear and it destroys sex and open and fun sexual relationships for a whole lot a people and that SUX!!! 

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"And what messages is this shit sending to young boys?"

It's PORN. It's not supposed to BE in the hands of young boys just like grand theft auto is not supposed to be in the hands of young boys (although porn is supposed to be even worse).

I have no idea how Japan treats giving porn to minors culturally or legally, I don't know if they have a culture of women fearing men over there (as you claim there's one over here) and I don't know how popular this kind of stuff is over there.

Although given the fact that as far as the US is concerned this type of game is really obscure and undergroundish I doubt this is contributing to a 'culture of fear'.

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"I for one would looooove to live in a world where I could actually walk down a street at night and not see some woman walking ahead quicker because she is affraid I'm going to hurt her."

Maybe you shouldn't be following women around at night?

But seriously, that has more to do with fear of the unknown. I'm a guy, and I get freaked out by people I don't know if I'm walking around at night, alone. It's not that I think random strangers are going to do horrible things to me, it's that I don't know if random strangers are going to do horrible things to me. So, better safe than sorry.

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Guys what planet are you living on... Do some research, ask women you know, read a woman's book etc etc. Women are very frightened of men and they have good reason to be. We are still sending really strong messages to them that we like watching them hurting. Full stop. I'm not saying that your average bloke is to blame for real violence to women, although so many women report fending off unwanted advances at some point in their lives that the one bloke cant be doing it all... They are the ones that have to way up the risk factors and here we are talking as if this dreadful game where a little kid is hurt in this way is not going to give women and girls the impression that we don't care if it frightens them... It does. They are frightened often in their lives of men and a lot of men seem to be turned on by it. The theme of this game is old and very common. The shock is is that it is soooo graphic and the kid is 10! I would totally never talk to my brother or best mate if I caught him playing this, other than suggest that he keeps away from any kid I might one day have... At some point you've got to say to these dweebs that being completely unable to empathise with someone elses suffering is not game material. I love my games and this makes me deeply ashamed to be associated with the whole scene. Japanese men should stand up and say that although they won't ban this stuff, they are deeply offended that they are being depicted in this way. And they should also send a strong message to Japanese women and girls that they respect them and mean them no harm.

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So... your saying that women 'have good reason to be' frightened of ME?

Your saying that I am 'still sending really strong messages to them that i like watching them hurting'?

Your saying that IM turned on by that?

Your saying IM 'completely unable to emphasise with someone elses suffering'?

 

And although you no NOTHING about me, your quite happy to say these absolutely horrible things and base this on the fact that i have an X and a Y Chromosome? thats IT?

And your saying its media (films/games whatever)  that is sending out these messages?

Perhaps its actually people like YOU. Take this forum for example, Who has scared more women into thinking men are out the get them. This game... or YOU?

 

 

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I tell you what, why don't you sit your mother, sister, friend, auntie or what ever women you know of down and get her to look the game over and report back to you if she thinks this is not scary hey? Then we'll talk about what message rape simulation games send out eh...

 

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what?

wait.. your changing your ENTIRE argument..

one second it was 'men' where sending out these messages, and 'men' who were all rapists and whatnot, and that the majority of women are terrified of men, and that men enjoy that,.. and your point to prove that.. is that women i know probably wouldnt like this game?

How exactly are those statements linked?

If my mother finds this game 'scary' or disgusting, that means that your somehow proven right that the majority of men are as vile as you depict, and that all women think the way you depict? How exactly...? Surely a better test would be to say 'Hey mum, do you think most men enjoy sexually attacking women, and are you generally scared of men'? (to which she would reply 'of course not, dont be stupid').

Just because she would find this game's content disgusting has no relavance to your wild claims about the majoritive state of mind of women and men across the world.

Thats like creating a flash game where pigs fly, and then saying its proof that pigs fly.

If my mother doesnt like ketchup on her fries, does that mean  that all men are also how you depict? And that all women are scared of men?

About the same level of logical connection there.

 

Also .. why do you assume that its only necessary to sit women down and ask if they find this game scary?. Do men's opinions not count? Do you assume that men have a particularly different opinion of this game to women?  ( i mean you seem to suggest that i ask women since they will find it disgusting, inferring that apparently men will not). Do you not therefore think that perhaps these 'ideas' you have about the majoritive state of mind of men and women are  YOUR IDEAS.. and not that of everyone else?

Im a man and i think this game is disgusting. Is my mothers opinion somehow more important than mine in proving your theory wrong?

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Actually your email confirms my point: Men should speak out about the way they are depicted in this type of shit. When they don't they turn a blind eye to the fear that women DO HAVE. Tell me why a personal rape alarm was one of M&S's biggest sellers last year, or did you miss the ads plastered all over UK bus stops?

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no youve just confirmed my point .

AGAIN.

'' Men should speak out about the way they are depicted in this type of shit ''

WHERE / HOW is this game depicting all men?

it ISNT. YOU interpret it to be depicting all men. YOU. i.e. it is YOUR fears / assumptions that are the problem.

'I' am not depicted in any way in this game. That was the point i was making originally. what is 'this fear that women DO HAVE'. because like i just stated , i know that by asking the women around me RIGHT NOW that they say (their words not mine) are NOT scared of men. so.. you point has JUST BEEN PROVEN WRONG.

why was a personal rape alarm a best seller? your behaviour answers your own question. Paranoia. People like YOU saying that his game represents all men (which i find downright offensive, because that means your saying I am like that).

 

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Weird. I am not saying you or I are like that. Speaking out about portraying men in this way doesn't mean you are suggesting that all men are like that. Quite the contrary, you are saying that you are not like that and that you think it's appalling etc. I don't want to get into a debate about women's fear of rape, there's been so many recent studies concerning this that it is really a mute point (for example see for example the New Statesman Rape the forgotten issue for links on reliable state etc). I don't want to reduce this to an individual v's society issue either, but if you think that people are not shaped by what they see and hear going on around them then you and I are going to have to disagree. I think this game does not stand alone, I think this game has been constructed within a global culture of violence against women and I think it both reflects and further constructs that social environment. We are not islands floating around not shaped by culture. There is too much media representing men as violent sexual monsters and not enough men stating publically that they are angry about men being depicted in this way. That is what I am saying. It is clear that when asked in a massive variety of studies across the globe that women are frightened of being raped by men. What I am saying is that this dreadful game adds to this fear and this pisses my off. I don't care if you think this is 'real', it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's affects are real... See the studies for yourself, and if you are wondering, a great deal of them are carried out by men.

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"I think this game has been constructed within a global culture of violence against women"

Wrong.
This game was made in Japan to cater to the Japanese market. Japanese society is, generalizing and not meaning this in a bad way, rigid. There's very clear boundaries of what is generally acceptable and what isn't. In my experience it reminds me in many ways of Germany, there are things that are ok and then things that are just wrong, and for those of us growing up in more liberal or "free" nations it can be abit hard to imagine.

Anyway, the effect of having such a rigid and often restrictive social framework means that when people seek expression they tend to do so favoring the extremes. Since I'd classify Rapelay as porn, then lets look at the porn markets in both nations. Japan has a reputation for "extreme" porn, fetishes primarily. The kind of stuff that, to the new viewer, is just sick and depraved. I'm not referring to "rape fantasy" here, the image I had in my mind involved 12 women, one man and lots of milk...but lets not get into that here.
Germany is much the same in this regard. South Park immortalized german "Scheisse" porn and there's plenty more along the same lines in their Adult industry.

But it's not just porn. Music and fashion, often geared towards being offensive or "in your face old man!". People seek extreme expression to make up for what they might perceive as restrictive societal demands.
Mind you, I'm only speaking from experience and not quoting any studies like you do. Lots of fancy studies you reference there...oh wait...you don't reference any do you? How's about doing that, like author, subject, ISBN number etc.

I'll be honest.
I've been exposed to porn...for a long time. It's motivated by curiosity rather than sex that I've seen some pretty freaky things, as have we all that surf these often disturbingly sticky webs. A game like Rapelay is simply a smooth game client to go with a culture and a market that's been around for a very, very long time. And you know what? I really don't mind it existing.
Infact, if this is just the thing someone was looking for? Great for him or her. And if I would want to purchase that game I would want to be able to. I could look at anime violence, rape, murder or dismemberment all day long.

But you know what makes me gag? What makes my stomach physically feel my heavy and I avert my eyes? It's not a horse sex marathon, or somesort of rape game. It's the real counterpart. Real violence, real rape.
Speak for yourself when you think this game is disgusting, I don't. I think it could be interesting even and certainly this controversy has sparked my interest.
I've been called a rapist loads of times. There's a kind of feminist movement around here that's so two faced I half expect it to start flipping a silver dollar to decide things. On one hand all men are evil rapist misogynists and on the other THEY just need to learn to respect women so we can all be equal.
You know what? To hell with them. I'm opposed to feminism, I despise the concept of it and condemn their works. Why? Am I opposed to women? Not at all, I'm the first to speak up against inequality or somesort of preference based off of gender or race or religion or nationality. But I don't want feminism, I want equality. Feminism is inequal in its concept. Sure, they say they want to make sure things are balanced on all sides but I've never, EVER seen them attempt to make things equal for men in inequal positions and there's plenty of cases of that. Just last summer I was working as a inventory manager at a local hospital. 11 out of 12 department directors were women, all their assistants were women. Men? They got the grunt work. Lift boxes, operate heavy machinery, handymen. All stereotypical male jobs. I figured, since I've got experience in supply management and have got plenty of office experience I could just apply for being department head when that position became available.
You know what? I, and two other men got pushed aside in favor of some new woman who had no clue what was going on, had no prior experience, had no certifications in the field. We object and we get the line about too many men in high positions. Err...not in our hospital atleast.

I have no illusions that for women, this is happening more frequently than it is for men. But for it to be marginalized, to be said "Oh women have it much worse!" is stupid, insensitive and unforward behaviour. We shouldn't champion the rights of one group while ignoring the other. We can't want gender equality while ignoring racial equality and vice versa. I do not believe equality can be achieved through limitations to business owners or gender quotas (most absurd thing I've ever heard of).

To summarize:
I don't mind rape games, they're after all just games. It really is that simple. I don't think that the girl in the game is real nor a real personification of women. Once you go down that road I can dredge up plenty of examples of men being stereotyped. Can I use every weapon imaginable? Is my stomach a washboard? Can I bend steel and punch out Aliens? Am I gruff and think about nothing than murder and rape? Do I love nothing more than to beat people up and urinate on them before/after setting them on fire?
Ofcourse not, don't be silly, those are just video game characters. It's pixelated violence, it's pixelated rape.

Do I respect your opinion of it? I do. Would I ever force you to buy it? No. Do you have ANY right to bar me from buying it? No...none whatsoever. Respect goes both ways and to everyone, even the people you think are sick, twisted, perverts, from a lesser race, weaker sex...you see where I'm going with this?

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Your kind of attitude offends me becauase you won't take in logic. Your stance also is part of the reason why it's theorized that Female Child Molesters and rapists get away. You know between the debate on if they actualy exist because men are horny bastards.

There's an old saying "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself (And spiders!)" And that's true for the most part. Including the bit about spiders.

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Your posts are very hard to read.  Would you mind breaking up your posts into paragraphs?

 

Andrew Eisen

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"Men should speak out about the way they are depicted in this type of shit."

This game in no way depicts me or men in general so why speak out about it?  As I said before, it's one playable character.  One.  That's it.  There is only one rapist and he's not representative of a real person.  He doesn't even have a face!  He's the typical "bangs hiding the eyes" no-name hentai male.

"Tell me why a personal rape alarm was one of M&S's biggest sellers last year, or did you miss the ads plastered all over UK bus stops?"

Can't answer that.  I don't know what M&S is and I don't live in the UK so yes, I missed the bus stop ads.  That said, I'm willing to bet that those ads did more to perpetuate a fear of rape then obscure Japanese hentai video games.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Just asked Diane who sits a few cubes down.  She said three things:

-She doesn't understand why anyone would want to play it.

-She doesn't think it should be banned.

-She does find the whole idea scary.

But you know what she's doing as I type this?  She's talking to Tom.  She's not hiding under her desk and she seems to have already forgotten about it.  I'm sure she'll go about the rest of her day and life just fine.

And that's just one person.  I know three girls who would very likely all shrug and say, "So what?"

EDIT: Just talked to Cheryl.  She said she's grossed out by the idea and doesn't understand why anyone would want to play it but that it shouldn't be banned.  She did say she thought that perhaps access to it should be limited.  She also said that the game does not make her fearful of all men but she might feel uncomfortable around someone who expressed a desire to explore such a fantasy.

 

Andrew Eisen

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This is clearly an extreme example of feminism. And totally ignoring what I said. And BTW my sister, nieces, mom, are not afraid of Men. My sister is in the Air force and probably could kick most mens asses. I've had mostly female friends growing up and one was afraid of men, but they were strange adults and she was like 11.

 

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I have no idea where you are getting your information from but I know no women who live in fear of men.  I know they exist but from my observations, it's nowhere near as prevalent an issue as you make it out to be.

"I would totally never talk to my brother or best mate if I caught him playing this, other than suggest that he keeps away from any kid I might one day have..."

Why?  Do you really think he's going to rape your kid because he played this video game?  Do you think he's going to kill somebody because he played Halo, Manhunt, or GTA?

 

Andrew Eisen

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Again, this all boils down to your stance on rape.  Is it right, or is it wrong?  If it's depicted in a videogame, is it wrong to sell it?  Is it wrong to make a profit from it, or should ethics be your main concern when producing this sort of merchandise?

Personally, the issue of rape doesn't concern me.  I've been a great proponent of "If it hasn't happened to you, don't debate about it."  However, I'd hate to see this topic degrade to a shooting match between people who claim sovereign right to freedom of expression and people who see this game as an affront to women everywhere.  We should be mindful of the fact that it is Amazon's actions that are up for debate, not your stance on rape.

 

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

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"Again, this all boils down to your stance on rape.  Is it right, or is it wrong?"

Real rape?  It's wrong, obviously.

"If it's depicted in a videogame, is it wrong to sell it?"

No.

"Is it wrong to make a profit from it..."

No.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Hmmm so you know of no women frightened of men. God you must know a lot of poeple to make a generalisation for all women then. I wonder why all those rape alarms, protection devices, women's advice manuals, police advice pamphlets etc etc are there for. I don't want to talk for women, I want to say that as a man I am sick to death of seeing this crap where men are depicted as cruel and sexually screwed up. You see for me it's not a matter of whether the individual might hurt the person, i.e. I wouldn't be pissed off because I thought my mate was going to rape a 10 year old, I'd be pissed off that he was supporting this pathetic dweebs and engaging in this age old stereotype of masculinity. You know when you're a boy and all you see is shitty porn where all the women are like puppets and that is supposed to turn you on and you think to yourself, hey is that what sex is, is that what other blokes are turned on by? Our identity is socially shaped, we are not born with it. I just wanted to say that as a strait man who likes playing games that I think depicting the rape of women and girls is a really low and shitty thing to do and that yes, I think this is another way to give guys, and gamers, a really rubbish rep!

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"God you must know a lot of poeple to make a generalisation for all women then."

Where am I making a generalization for all women?

"...I am sick to death of seeing this crap where men are depicted as cruel and sexually screwed up."

But that's not what this game does.  It's one guy.  That's it.  One.  It does not appear to be a depiction or commentary on men in general.

 

Andrew Eisen

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If that guy is the only guy in the game, he becomes "the everyman" (that is, representitive of all men, because there is no alternative representation)

 

To someone who's 100% confident around men, that's fine.

To someone who isn't... that's where your problem is.

 

I used to be one of those paranoid women (so yes, they do exist, and reterospectively I can say it's a combination of being surrounded by people of the same opinion and who have had terrible experiences, and the media constantly focusing on bad news, rape being the ultimate bad news sympathy jackpot. Also, a fair number of badly written women-oriented tend to use rape as a "sympathy crutch" when trying to get you to empathise with their characters, which also paints a skewed view of men all being rapists)

It is a social problem - that's why you get ultra skittish girls that get nervous when they're alone in the room with a man or when a man talks to them. And then you get the backlash - the all men are evil brutes/animals one, which is just as sexist as anything that comes our way.

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"If that guy is the only guy in the game, he becomes "the everyman" (that is, representitive of all men, because there is no alternative representation)"

Sorry, I just don't agree.  First of all, there are other male characters in the game although most are undefined background characters (the other people on the subway, for example).  Even if this game took place in the house with only the three girls and the player character, I still don't believe he's a representation of all men.  Only that particular guy.

If anything it's a commentary (though I'd say mere plot device) on the spoiled children of corrupt politicians (the player character is arrested for molesting the girls on the train but is let go thanks to the string pulling done by his politician father).

 

Andrew Eisen

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'God you must know a lot of poeple to make a generalisation for all women then.'

 

Pot..

meet kettle

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Do you really think women who are frightened of men are frightened because of incredibly obscure games such as this or because of real instances of violence against women?  Or perhaps even real personal experience?

 

Andrew Eisen

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It doesn't work like that, we are not individuals seperate from culture, we interact with it. Girls are told, often by fathers and brothers, not to trust men, regardless of their personal experiences. They are told this over and over and over again so as by the time they start to become interested in sex they are told the if THEY are not careful they will be raped. It doesn't matter how obscure this example of sexual violence representation is, combined with the bombardment of stuff that we see and hear, you would have be living on a very distanct planet not to notice that men here are depicted as mean nasty violent bully's that take real pleasure in making women and little girls feel pain. I'm sick of all these idiots that send women and kids this same old message. Lock up you daughter and lock up your wife coz I'm the big rapist man you better quack in fear... Game or no game it's not new. If I was a female kid I would be bloody frightened of men, wouldnt you??? Or are you saying women and girls fear of men is irrational?

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I think that there are allot of real world examples that I have heard on the news about men raping women, I have also heard allot of examples of female teachers seducing their younger male students.

There are far more bigger problems in society but it is a shame when people like the Japanese Hentai game markers are really trying to speak about the issue of rape, but society attacks them all because they don't like what the Japanese Hentai game markers are really trying to talk about a serious message that needs to be understood in order to be heard.

Sadly mainstreem media realy on sensationalism and newsworthy stories in order to spread the message, and what they spread is not really the truth but it is more about what makes the news more sellable.

A scandle like this sells way more papers than an honest message trying to talk about the serious issues of rape and violence in the world.

 

TBoneTony

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A fear of all men is irrational because most men are perfectly desent human beings who don't go around raping people.  Any woman who grows up with such a fear likely suffered something traumatic or was raised to believe that men can't be trusted and to live in fear (and if that's the case, shame on the parents).

 

Andrew Eisen

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I'd say it's really irrationaly considering that I've been raped and have no issue with this game. Additionally I've been bullied and tormented all my life by both males and females. Plus around where I come from there's the prevailing attitude of don't every hit a woman no matter what. Or anyone who hits a woman is gonna get their ass kicked.


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You know, I don't think I'll ever understand why anyone has a problem with this.  Yes, it depicts the rape of a crying, underage girl but so what?

She's not real.  She's an animated three-dimensional model.  No real person is actually being harmed.  Her voice actress is fine too.  She was just acting.

I absolutely boggles my mind that anyone can look at a drawing of a preteen being raped and be that upset or offended by it.  Grossed out by the idea, sure but it's a drawing.  It's not real.  Sure the idea is disgusting but it's just paint on a piece of paper.

Having said that, it's totally okay if stuff like that does offend you.  Really, that's fine.  Just understand that there is a market for this stuff and it's not up to you to decide what is appropriate for other people to consume.

Remember, it's not real.  It's not hurting anybody.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Novablack said it best farther up on the page,

"I mean its not like traditional 'art' wether that be paintings or sculptures or whatever is completely 100% non contraversial. In face some of the most famous art of the past decade HAS been contraversial. Was it damien hurst (apologies if thats spelt wrong) who achieved fame through his 'art' of dead people and animals sliced and put in jars?

Does everyone like his art? no... Is that acceptable? yes. Often people forget that art actually isnt always about making you feel good things.. its often just about making a person feel a wide range of things, some good (happiness) some bad (disgust, horror). The fact that it can evoke such a strong negative emotion is often sometimes the main purpose of the art... To evoke feeling."

This game envokes a feeling, and it's usually one that people don't like. So their natural reaction is kind of a, "Ewww, get it away from me," with wildly varying intensity.

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Which is fine.  Where I take issue is when people say, "Ewww, I don't like this, get it away from me and everyone else too."

 

Andrew Eisen

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I think that some people are forgeting one simple thing that should be noted when we talk about Hentai games.

These games are ONLY advaliable in Japan and online on the internet sales sites. Hentai games are NOT commercially sold.

Children are already being protected from Hentai games simply because they are not sold in shops where it is easy to get hold of them. Online sales has got a system where you NEED a Credit Card or a Debbit Card to buy it, and it is more up to the responsibility for the parent.

Also Hentai games can only be sold online or in Japan so people who are ADULTS are able to choose if they want to buy a Hentai game of their own choice.

Yes, some are disturbing, and some feature rape and also lolicon, but there are also some other Hentai games at the same time having long epic stories of love, betrayal, illness, courage, and fighting tentacle monsters in the name of good and getting some sexy action if the player wants to as a reward for their hard work.

Hentai games feature allot of good things more than people realize, but it is because of the pornography that gives Hentai games a bad name in the eyes of society.

anyone got something to add?

TBoneTony

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I'll say again that if Vaz was so concerned about kids gettign that game, I wouldl ike him to explain how a child could do it without their parents knowing

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Though I have no love of this game and the concepts it expouses...

To bastardise a famous saying in order to make a point:

First they came for RapeLay, and I cheered them on, because I did not care for it.

Then they came for the other fringe games, and I did not speak out, because I did not care for them.

Finally they came for my games... and there was nobody left to speak out.

 

The moral of this story? Never, ever, ever, give extremists a foothold, or they will take every possible inch they can. Regardless of what this game is and does, there's undoubtedly porn/movies/books/TV shows that duplicate/are worse than this in real life and quite likely freely available within walking distance of where this politician lives.

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It's interesting that no one has brought up the point that in Japan, a country where such games are numerous and easily accessed, the rate of violent crime is much lower than other countries.

In January, the police reported their crime figures for 2008.  Approximately 1.5 million crimes were reported, most of which were instances of theft. Violent crime, including assault, murder, rape and arson brought in a total of 8,300 reports (source: Yomiuri Shimbun) for the year, 1,300 of which were murders. Rape figures were not reported in the source article.

In a country of ~128 million people, the rate of violent crimes is very, very low. Claiming that the existence of this software directly influences the motivation of players to commit the crimes depicted (which is, in essence, what all anti-violent-game lobbyists are attempting to do every time they kick up a fuss) is ridiculous considering the mind boggling volume of what we in the UK might consider to be thoroughly appalling game content available in Japan.

In any case, I agree with Amazon's decision. It may be hypocritical on grounds of adult content, but I'm sure a clever lawyer would invoke the recent changes to UK pornography law (demming illegal all pornographic material that can be considered "extreme", depicting violence or "forced" situations) and bring a suit against Amazon on the basis of the title alone. As someone else has pointed out, Amazon.com/.co.uk belongs to Amazon and they can do whatever they like, inconsistent or not, in order to maintain business and avoid litigation, even if it offends the small number of principle purists out there.

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It's interesting that no one has brought up the point that in Japan, a country where such games are numerous and easily accessed, the rate of violent crime is much lower than other countries.

the late George Carlin noted that despite the extremely violent media in Japan, a woman is only one fifth as likely to be attacked in Japan than in the U.S. It's in his book Brain Droppings.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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The problem I have with citing crime rates when it comes to issues like rape is that, at least in the United States, rape is terribly underreported. That the actual number for reported rapes wasn't included doesn't matter; the "blanket" statistic includes rapes, so it should be assumed to be much lower than it actually is, in my opinion.

That's not to say that 1) I think that media of ANY type is responsible for ANY violent crime whatsoever (it isn't) or 2) I have an opinion either way on Amazon pulling the listings. I DO have an opinion on the speculation that the seller was shown the door for his listings (obviously, I have no idea if this is the case) but on the game itself? I think it's disgusting that it was created, and I think it's disgusting that there's a market for it, but as long as the players of the game are keeping their fetishes to themselves rather than forcing it on women, I really can't bring myself to care about it.

That said (I don't have an opinion on whether it was "right" or "wrong" of Amazon to pull the game) I agree that they have the right to control what is being sold on their service. I don't see pulling the game as a moral issue; it's a business one.

(All of this is MHO, of course. I've been known to be full of it.)

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Would as many people even be offended if this game was about a woman raping a man? Curiously.

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Actually, theres a recently released game that features that concept, though it does no show it in Detail. I dont' wanna spoil anything, but it was released in the last week and does feature a scene of implied girl on man rape, but no real detail is shown, and theres debate about weather or not it was real or a halucination.

 

 

Yukimura is still here "Honor, that is what matters, isn't it? " Yukimura Sanada, from Samurai warriors 2

"My name is Lenerd Church, and you will fear my LASER FACE"

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Although interesting to know that doesn't really bear much relevance. The issue people seem to have here is this in their mind

Is sick and twisted because it depicts rape graphically and objectifies women and has limited if any story. So would they feel the same if it was a Woman, raping a man and his family for dumping her? Would they still feel men were objectified? That this was the most agregious offence possible in the gaming world?

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It's never not interesting to me to see the varied levels of opinon on any given subject. In the case of this subject, it ranges from "It's only a game" to Outright disgust.

 

In the end, you people need to remember something very important. THis is japan were talking about, the country that created Tenticle porn for crying out loud. That a game would be made there that depicts rape? hardly a shock there. Now, I deplore rape in real life. Just the same as I deplore murder. But the fact is, this game isn't hurting anyone. It may offend some people, but, they aren't gonna have a phsyical problem just cause the game exsists.

Theres games that allow murder, yet we hardly bat an eye? This debate, while I find it impressive and respect your views, seems almost hypocritical to me. And it does prove, in a way, the puritian mentality that exsists, both here in the us and to a certain extent, in the UK.

It's a game, not a video, not a movie, not real. if this were a video, depicting an actual rape, I'd be all over it, cause REAL crime had been commited. But it's not, it's a cloud of 1s and zeros. Nothing more.

If it offends you, well, thats your reaction to it, and I respect that. But don't go calling for a ban on something when the US cutlure allows something just as bad to a common part of our every day entertainment. Im refering to murder.

Rape fantasy is a popular form of adult entertainment in Japan, but, the key word is Fantasy. Japan has the most HARD core rape laws you can find, they take the subject really seriously, but there also willing to accept that there is a subset of people that have a fantasy about it, both men and women I might add.

Anyway, dont' think that just cause Amazon pulled it, this matter is over. Like I said before, this can be found easily on ANY major torrent site.

Amazon just removed a legal form of purchase, but theres hundreds of illegal ways to get it.


Oh, and this isn't the only game in japan to feature rape. Theres plenty. I don't condone rape, but im not calling for them to be banned either.

 

 

Yukimura is still here "Honor, that is what matters, isn't it? " Yukimura Sanada, from Samurai warriors 2

"My name is Lenerd Church, and you will fear my LASER FACE"

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Protip: tentacle porn was created to bypass the mosaic censorship on penises.

Makes you wonder if they would of been any different if those damn blocks were removed

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You know...they still sell it on amazon.co.jp (quite alot of resellers, actually)

www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B000EQ5IAM/ref=sr_1_1

They might have a policy only allowing to sell ESRB-rated games in the states.  The ESRB do rate hentai games as well, and for the AO rating, publishers get to release it uncensored .  Doing a search brought up a few common hentai games like 'Do You Like Horny Bunnies' and 'Discipline'...which were both given a AO rating by the ESRB....both uncensored...and both worthy fapping material

so I dunno....there might be a terms of use violation behind this...

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Google Translate brought this up in front of me:

"Restrictions on foreign shipping: This item can not be delivered outside of Japan."

so it's odviously a trade-restricted item.  This has nothing to do with morality issues

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If they were rated by the ESRB as AO18+ and since the only way to sell an AO18+ game in America is by via the internet, then I can't see any harm in that.

As I know, Rapelay was not given an American rating at all, and many of the Japanese Hentai DVDs have the American 18+ sign as well as a lable that says "ABSOLUTELY NOT FOR CHILDREN!!!"

People who sell adult products online are doing all they can to make it clear to parents that certain material for the adult market is clearly NOT for kids.

TBoneTony

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HEY! I can't get a rape video game at Amazon, but I can:

-rent "Last house on the Left" directly with amazon Video on Demand for 2.99!

-Buy "I Spit on Your Grave" No court would ever convict her.

-Buy (gulp) "Virgin Spring".

-Buy Irreversible, complete with vomit inducing camara work, flashing lights that cause attacks, and many other "deplorable" acts. OH, and yes, a 13 minute rape scene.

-Get the full uncut version of "9 Songs". Artsy fellatio, cunnulingus, and penetration, Oh My! Someone, please, tell me again why this movie was NOT considered porn??

And I don't even want to go into the long list of products that Amazon allows, like Blow up dolls, sexual gratification tools, and How To books and videos for the perv in you.

Thanks to the news, we should expect more people to hunt for Rapelay in a variety of ways.

 

 
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