Last night GamePolitics reported on the outcry over a Japanese rape game offered on Amazon.com.
Among those expressing disgust over PC hentai title RapeLay was British MP Keith Vaz, long a video game industry critic.
At the time we predicted that - since RapeLay was offered as a used product by re-seller Hentaiguy - Amazon likely didn't know about the game and would do the right thing when they found out.
That now appears to be the case.
LifeNews.com reports that RapeLay has been removed from Amazon.com listings:
Amazon.com has dropped its listing for a controversial Japanese video game called Rapelay that involves raping women and forcing them to have abortions. The so-called "rape simulator" game was sold on the web site and included a graphic description of the gameplay.
Although a listing for the product is available through online searches, the link to it on Amazon's web page no longer functions.
We're also not finding any additional sales listings from Hentaiguy. Perhaps Amazon has shown him the door.




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Smooth move Amazon, you're setting yourself up for politicans to bitch about the other adult stuff on your site, you're pretty much opening yourself up to be hit hard.
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So let me get this straight - rape in a game is disgusting and should be banned. But multiple killings in a game is fine and should not be banned.
I'm not used to blatant hypocrisy from GP. Hopefully it's due to some sort of temporary mental imbalance.
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So let me get this straight - rape in a game is disgusting and should be banned. But rape in the bible is fine and should not be banned.
I'm used to such blatant hypocrisy from politicians.
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Wow, the internet goes into a fit over a pirated, nearly 3 year old game that some guy burned onto a few discs, so that he could scam some money off of the gullible on Amazon Marketplace, not knowing that eventually some British MP who, in need of a issue he can run on, would type 'rape' into an Amazon search and happily stumble upon his racket and use it to make a fuss.
Weren't you guys bashing some Haitian interest group for being a year late in noticing a directive to 'Kill all the Haitians' in Vice City a couple years back?
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I don't think it is the internet, just an old silly man who happens to be in control of Britian, and as you said, is using this to make a fuss. Most people who use the internet and play games likely know there is much worse out there, unless they are in the 40s+ range...
Bashing Haitians? Wasn't GP still in LiveJournal format back then? I still say crying over over that, RE5 and RE4 is still silly.
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In a sense, Amazon is digging it's own grave by removing this product.
Western audiences are STILL going to want to get this game, even if it was removed off the shelf (heck, that may even add to the stigma behind the game, thus in it's on way promoting the game a-la "Postal".)
Since the western audience can't buy it in a store (unless you look at a mom-and-pop anime shop), the people who want to play this game are now going to hit the world of piracy, looking up torrents for said game, not only causing loss of profit to the Japanese publishers, but loss of profit for Amazon's commisions.
So, even though Amazon is trying to remain goody two shoes as far as morality and beliefs go, in a sense, it's a blow to their income.
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That and they're opening the flood gates for other people to bitch about the other adult stuff on their site as well.
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And they might actually have to do something about it, rather than just saying, "Meh, it's what the people want."
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God damn it, Amazon.
Well, I guess it's off to eBay then, eh? Is Keith Vaz going to go after eBay next? Dear god, THEY might have rape h-games, too!
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Nah, I bet the reseller will head to craiglist...
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I gotta say, good for Amazon.
If adults want to buy this game, sure, not my thing, but it is your right to purchase it.
That being said, there is NO WAY to age verify this kind of thing on Amazon and it shouldn't be sold in that kind of venue.
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"That being said, there is NO WAY to age verify this kind of thing on Amazon and it shouldn't be sold in that kind of venue."
Yes there is. Credit cards are considered a valid proof of age for the purposes of purchasing material that is illegal to sell to minors. Think about it: if that weren't the case, it would be illegal to subscribe to porn sites with just a credit card -- and it isn't.
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exactly! this is what we've been saying to JT for years. as further proof, I mentioned SexKey as an example that age-verification systems use only a credit card number (that one he endorses whose name escapes me uses name and address, pedo-alert!) to him on the comments to his Utah article and he ignored it completely.
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I just want to mention, that "dark hentai" games like this are released in large numbers in Japan, there are plenty of other games just like this. For example, games like this is pretty much all that the company "Lilith" produces. Someone fantranslated one of their games, and the translated English name was "The Gang Rape Club". Other than being in this controversy, titles like this are nothing unique in Japan.
Farthermore, some people disagreed that something like this should exist. A good number of comments already address this, but I'll post this anyways. Although pure rape games aren't something that I am interested in, as long as no real person is harmed in the making of something, there is absolutly no reason to ever suggest that they shouldn't be allowed to make and release what they want (applies to all hentai, porn, non porn, anything). Otherwise you are saying that others are justified in trying to ban what you enjoy, because that is what you are doing when you say games like this shouldn't be allowed to exist.
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As I went into great detail in the other topic about this game (so I won't do it again, feel free to search for my posts over there), I honestly don't have a lot of trouble with the outlawing of certain content if it is the will of the majority. This particular issue causes two of my principles to clash, so I'm taking a back seat on judgement. But, like for Canada and Australia, I have no issue that they make virtual child pornography illegal. If It was legal, I would no issue with that, either. I don't see freedom of speech as an absolute that must be applied to anything and everything. If enough people reasonably object to something, then that can sometimes trump free speech. Not always, but sometimes. Even the will of the majority is not an absolute. There must be balance.
But like I said, I'm not going to repost my arguements. If you find what I just said objectionable, feel free to see a more detailed explanation in the other topic.
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"I honestly don't have a lot of trouble with the outlawing of certain content if it is the will of the majority."
I expect you'd be singing a different tune if the content being outlawed through the "will of the majority" were something you actually cared about. Think outside your own self and society and apply the concept as a general principle. Think of the number of people who'd be offended by drawings of Muhammad and ask yourself whether their outrage warrants any form of censorship. Think of the people in the past who'd be offended by any kind of speech that dared to question religious dogma and ask yourself whether the "will of the majority" should ever "trump free speech".
There's no such thing as a right to not be offended, and society could hardly function if it seriously allowed people's sense of moral outrage to alone determine what is and is not permitted. Truth is determined by fact, not by opinion. Laws based on emotion rather than cold clinical fact must not be tolerated.
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"There's no such thing as a right to not be offended, and society could hardly function if it seriously allowed people's sense of moral outrage to alone determine what is and is not permitted."
People do have such a right, it's just that they have to defend it in ways other than through legislation or the court system. If a store sells something that offends you badly enough, go to a different store, or don't go to that part of the store.
Just as much as you have the right to not be offended, you also have the right to *not* look at offensive material.
Of course, my problem is that I'm having a heck of a internal struggle with this. I don't want to condem this game, because to do so is to later risk being forced to condem things I like. On the other hand, I'm having a hard time saying that a game with this content is okay. I don't think I could look my mother in the eye, if it came to that, and tell her that a game about rape is okay.
I guess I'll just have to grit my teeth and try to accept that everyone has their personal demons to feed.
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Certain websites, like Ebay, remove products from being purchased when they are illegal in certain countries. Like, you can't find Nazi memoribilia for sale because it would block the site from access to Germany. Amazon doesn't carry lolicon because it is illegal in several countries (though maybe for other reasons as well).
Additionaly, as a free market company, they have the right to accept or remove any products they choose, and for just about any reason. If they thought that this rape game would cause too much controversy for their site, then they have every right to remove it. Hell, if they thought it was just in poor taste, they had the right to remove it. If they didn't like how the seller spelled his name, they could remove it. It's their business.
And everyone here is free to boycott Amazon, if it offends your principles that much.
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Amazon doesn't carry lolicon because it is illegal in several countries (though maybe for other reasons as well).
In that case, since they're in the spotlight at the moment, they might want to do a bit of crackdowning. Just a thought.
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ah...a favorite of mine....
but yeah...Little Monica is the name of the town it takes place in. Another examples of judging a book by its cover
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you do know that 'Little Monica' is the name of the town, right?
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After this incident, yes, I imagine that Amazon will be "cleaning house."
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lol, what did you do to find that? Just searched "lolicon"?
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Nope, just "loli".
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I would like to know why GP finds this game so outrageous while condoning murder in other games. And why taking it off amazon is the right thing. I might also add that I don't find rape to be the worst crime in the world. Pretty bad yes, but at least you're not dead for whatever damage when it's over. One of the worst crimes yes. But this is fictional. NO VICTIMS.
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Look man, I was going to be a little smartassy about this, particulary about how your opening and closing statements contradict each other, but I just got a taste of how that feels and I'm still letting it sink in.
But the reason why it was found so outrageous by GP probably had to do with the fact it exists. You see, Western gamers have taken a ho-hum approach to in-game murders. I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the fact that rape isn't something we're accustomed to seeing. I'm disturbed that Japan is, but I can't go around forcing them to change that.
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I don't see how his opening and closing statements contradict each other. And western gamers may have a ho-hum approach to in-game murders, but that doesn't mean the Japanese do. GP doesn't say it's the right thing to do when Japan refuses to classify a game due to it's violence. Free speach is held in high regaurd then, but not so much when rape is involved. In reality, censorship is never "the right thing to do."
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Went out and bought it because all of the people complaining
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I will say this, this game would NEVER have gotten the attention it has had Vaz kept his fat mouth shut about it.
Now that people know about it, people are going to search for and buy it. It's 25 to Life all over again.
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I wouldn't put this anywhere near 25 to life yet. It hasn't been featured on major news outlets and most of the attention it's getting will probably die off in about a week or so.
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Oh dear,
Let the anime/manga scapegoating begin. This is kind of a bad sign when I saw this, I know they're going to blame anime and manga next after this.
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Small percentage, but I see no worry. Unless a loli-fan shoots up a catholic school in a doller; then anime/managa fans will have to worry.
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There are enough anime haters out there and on Youtube
or when a serial killer say Higarushi No Naku Koro Ni made him do it
or when a polygamist say Harem anime like Love Hina, or Tenchi Muyo made him do it.
or when a skilled thief with stealth movement said Naruto, and ninja anime made him do it.
I met a lot of anime haters on youtube, a lot of them are acting like their video game hater counterpart. I even met some haters with something I called "Jack Thompson complex". Small percentages, huh. I think it can grow if anti-gaming politicians attack anime next. Worse, if JT manage to reach out to anime haters on Youtube, he can form a new cult to target video game and anime. He can tell the anime haters that the video game industry has betray them because video game have team up with anime industry (you know Xbox Live and Playstation Network selling anime on their stores, next GTA may take place in Tokyo with possible cel-shaded anime animation and J-pop,rock, rap on the in-game radio station, or Tomb Raider using Final Fantasy game engine after Square-Enix bought out Eidos Interactive). Those small percentages will rise and anime haters will become Jack Thompson's succesor or anime haters will become video game haters if the video game industry starts to use anime/manga/JRPG or any Japanese influences more in their game.
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well I can say for certain that if the US goes to war with Japan over this then I'll have no qualms about defecting from the US.
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USA won't go to war, but anime haters will
USA won't fret about manga/anime as long as the first Amendment and the ECA are willing to team up with anime/manga industry to protect them. But there are a lot of anime haters out there, they can decide to team up with video game haters (they're willing to burn their 360 or PS3 so they can hate video game for them). There are many way for anime haters to become video game haters. I met one anime hater who hate video game and he is like a splitting image of Jack Thompson. Here's the link. This guy even left the comment on my channel saying video game are evil. He could be JT or his apprentice.
To Dennis, Andrew Eisen: That attack on the hentai game. It's a sign. Anime/manga are next to be blame for criminal act. There's enough anime haters out there to become the video game critic's apprentice. I think the ECA may need to forge a alliances with anime industry. Do you think we can form some sort of animepolitics (I recommend contacting Anime News Network for forming it) to watch anime/manga when politicians, activists, and haters may try to smear the image of anime/manga when this happen. I wouldn't be suprised if JT attack anime/manga next. He knows there's anime haters out there, he can convert them to video game haters by various ways. If this happen, JT is going to have a cult who will hate on video game/anime/manga. We got to be careful, our video game haters/critics will attack anime/manga next. First it's hentai game, next will be anime/manga. WE NEED TO PROTECT ANIME/MANGA, THEY ARE A FORM OF ART AND DON'T FORGET MOST OF OUR VIDEO GAME AND JRPG USE ANIME ART FOR IT.
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On an interesting story to add to what you are talking about in regards to manga. I used to work at a bookstore and a guy who worked there for a little while, was a very strict christian(he wouldn't even touch some books in the store). I heard that he complained about why alot of women on manga books (and I am not talking about the more adult manga) were scantly clad, etc. While I wasn't there to answer his question, I would likely have told him that he fails to understand that the Japanese have a completely different mind set and belief then Americans do. Course, it probably has something to do with the fact that christianity is a minority religion in Japan as well.
The best way too deflect alot of these video/anime haters is we seriously need people who actually enjoy gaming, anime, etc to run in government. People who understand the culture and actually know what gaming, etc is. On an interesting note, will we when we are "old" and some new technology is being develooped (neural implants on some other sci-fi invention if you want to be creative) will we be acting like the current out of touch "adults" who don't understand or like gaming, etc or will we welcome the new tech as a better form of entertainment, tool, invention, etc?
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What are they going to do abotu the 700 odd hentai DVDs on there??
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywor...
Silly amazon you can't by pass this by simply removing the game...
Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.
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don't worry...they'll come up with something.
Something along the lines of "We can't validate the age of these animated girls, so by default, they are under 18 and considered child porn." They are already attacking loli in the USA....it's only a matter of time
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I want lolicon banned SO badly in this country, but like the Gailmen quote up there suggests, everything that isn't even related will be beaten to death by the legislatures.
So i'll just grit my teeth and call it child porn from my front yard like a good American.
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It's already illegal in several countries, and the framework for similar restrictions in the US exist in Federal law. It's just that it hasn't been tested or applied yet. Once it does hit the courts, however, it's likely that there will be Constitutional objections. The other countries that ban it don't have "free speech" hardwired into their constitutions, if they even have one, so it didn't meet much resistance when they made virtual child pornography illegal. It's anyone's guess how it will play out in the US once someone finally takes notice.
I do know that if someone is caught with real child pornography, any additional lolicon found at the scene can be included as evidence and apply to the charges. To date, no one has been brought up on charges for just lolicon. Not even in Canada, where it is illegal.
I personally choose to remain neutral, and will not care if it remains legal or becomes illegal.
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I wonder it not become illeagle, it will be another freedom lsot and we need tos top such foolish thigns befor we run ourt of freedoms...
Child porn is one thing fitioncal child porn is fictional, remove it and something else will be on the ban chopping block until nothing is left but the necks of the repressed.
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"It's just that it hasn't been tested or applied yet."
Such a ban has been tested -- by the Supreme Court, no less -- and determined to be unconstitutional way back in 2002. Thanks for playing, though.
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Ok not sure, but i think i recall hearing that a more recent law was passed, like within the last 5 years or so. From that article, the problem with that previous law is that it covered to far broad a range, such as making any kind of fictional depiction of underage sex illegal... this however would cause the problem since sex can appear as an artistic work, having artistic merit, and thus be protected as freedom of speech. The more recent law on the other hand is a bit more narrow in that it makes certain to only apply to underage sex that doesn't have artistic merit and thus falls under the catagory of pornography. Pornography is not considered to be protected speech and therefore the government is free to regulate it or ban it if they want.... not sure if there has been any ruling on such a law...
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The thing is that not all pornography is considered obscene. Thus, people are free to create non-obscene virtual child pornography.
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"No children were used in the making of this production"
can't say the same thing for those Pampers commercials with infant nudity they aired back then when I was trying to watch cartoons while eating dinner
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For the record, I'm in agreement with the others who said that Amazon made the wrong move, but I will say this:
Making a game with rape as your main gameplay mechanic is risky, if for no other reason than there is NO way to gloss over rape like you can with other hot button video game content issues like murder. You can take out blood, you can make the corpes disappear, you can add comical screams or one-liners when guys die, etc.
But there's just no way you can make rape funny or light-hearted (if you tried, it'd be even worse for you, I'd imagine).
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But there's just no way you can make rape funny or light-hearted (if you tried, it'd be even worse for you, I'd imagine).
how 'bout granting rape options in a game, all of which leading straight to game-over messages, that ridicule the player for making such a stupid choice?
Example: (after choice) "It has already been established that she is a second-degree blackbelt and she is accompanied by fellow students of her dojo. Are you even trying anymore?" (depending on the stupidity of your part and/or the comedy level of the game, you may be taken back to the same screen, although with the Rape choice removed)
seriously, the first H-game I played had exactly one rape-option in the story somewhere, leading straight to a game-over. wasn't light-hearted however.
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"But there's just no way you can make rape funny or light-hearted (if you tried, it'd be even worse for you, I'd imagine)."
George Carlin would like a word with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsfLPohZ_c
I wonder if there is a way to embed videos here.
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I meant in a video game, lol
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