No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

February 15, 2009 -

Despite assertions from some quarters that violent video games played a role in the February, 2008 shooting rampage at Northern Illinois University, CNN reports that shooter Steven Kazmierczak had a troubled mental health history and was obsessed with the Saw series of horror films.

Games are not mentioned by CNN, which reports that it was granted access to a copy of the NIU investigative report by an author who claims to have obtained it from a law enforcement source.

GamePolitics readers may recall that, in the days following the shooting, disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson alleged a violent game connection and threatened to sue NIU for records relating to Kazmierczak's supposed use of violent games.

In addition, Illinois legislator Rep. Robert Pritchard (R) blamed violent video games while absolving guns in the rampage.

From the CNN story:

Kazmierczak was known as "strange Steve" to roommates, studied the Virginia Tech and Columbine massacres and idolized the sadistic killer in the "Saw" horror films, according to documents from the year-long investigation into the NIU killings.

The still-unreleased police file on the shootings, which also left 18 students wounded, shows that 27-year-old Kazmierczak had been hospitalized several times as a teenager for psychiatric issues and had a history of suicide attempts...

freshman suitemates recall him as being obsessed with infamous figures such as Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy...

GP: As we have pointed out in the past, Kazmierczak was 27 at the time of the NIU rampage. Even if he had been a fan of violent games, no age-based content restriction would have applied to him.

But, the fact that games were mentioned in connection with the NIU killer once again reinforces GP's theory that games will invariably come in for blame when mass shooters are under 30 (see: How Old Is Too Old For Game Blame).

UPDATE: Our old pal Jack Thompson writes in to remind us (and call me a "lying son of a bitch" in the process) that there were reports that Kazmierczak played the first-person shooter Counter-strike.

Note to Jack: we've already covered that several times here on GamePolitics.

Today's story, however, is about the CNN coverage of the NIU investigative report which mentions only Kazmierczak's mental health issues and his affinity for horror films.

THANKS TO: GamePolitics reader Jason Bentley for the tip!


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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I was playing CounterStrike back just before it was in Beta 2 (they brought in the AK-47 at that point!) stage right up till the full version 1.0... Technically I should be in demand by Counter Terrorist and Tactical Police Units all over the world by now huh? Reality check: I am a soon to be laid off employee of General Electric, who yes can fire a gun pretty damn accurately (that was because I TRAINED at it through Royal Canadian Air Cadets and also being a member of the Loyal Edmonton Regiment Reserve Force ), I have yet to have kill a single creature...other than not feeding a fish for a week (look I am sorry I was just a kid then)....oh and mosquitoes!!!! (Damn blood sucking bugs)

I should be a full fledged homocidal maniac by now...right? Oh right! In certain moronic pea-brained minds, I should be an insignificant statistic. Reality check: If anyone killed because of a video game, shouldn't HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE be committing homocidal and destructive acts world wide, causing massive disruption and in result cause a global crisis? Looks like idiot activists and sensational media (I'm looking at you FOX) that thrive on controversy really need to look at certain facts before spewing out the usual rhetoric of "video games make killers/rapists/criminals/etc"

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I am always surprised that an issue gets framed in terms of whether someone simply owned a particular videogame. Owning a videogame is different than playing one, which is different than playing one often. My garage, for example, is filled with boxes of videogames that I played once and thought they sucked.

I would hate for anyone to try and draw conclusions about my personality simply from what is in my possession. I own a dirt bicycle that I rode twice. I own a set of golf clubs that I haven't used in 10 years. I own a treadmill I have never been on. And I own a set of free weights which I have never lifted. Looking at that stuff in the abstract and without context, I guess you could conclude that I am athletic, which of course I am not. A more accurate conclusion would be I am a couch potato who occasionaly makes sad little purchasing gestures at healthfulness.

But I digress. My point is that what a person owns is merely a data point in a much larger data set. This person Steve could well have bought Counterstrike, played it for 10 minutes and lost interest in it. That of course makes no difference to JT, in whose world the mere possession of a videogame  means that person became violent because of it and "trained" on the game to wreak havoc on the community.

 

 

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Sadly, the terms "logic", "reason" and "sane thought" are mutually exclusive with Jack Boy.

Or, maybe not "sadly" since his particular brand of craziness hasn't granted him much success in his crusade.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

...huh...Jack...and success....they go in the same sentence? :)

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Was Jack not the one who was disbarred for being a "lying son of a bitch"? 

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

No, just for being a lying bitch.


Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

can't it be both?

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Wouldn't be nice to his mom/dad.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

You know, for how often Jacko yells, "Lible!," he sure likes to call people names...

 

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Funny thing about that.

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Why does it seem that GP is always quick to bring up 'blaming guns' for the shootings? The gun didn't force itself into the shooter's hand and make him pull its trigger.

Games and guns are both inanimate objects, and we should be placing the blame where it belongs--on the people who commit the crimes.


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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

It's not so much that "guns made him do it" but rather that guns give a person direct opportunity and means to kill someone.

Not meaning to be disrespectful or irreverent, but if you give someone a gun when they're really angry and unstable, they will be likely to use it, and the gun will do what's designed to do.  But give him a Wii, on the other hand, and hurting other people (much less killing them) is very unlikely.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I don't know about that. Give someone a Wii and if he doesn't use the wrist strap someone could definitely get hurt.

Sorry, too easy to pass up

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Lol!  Touché!

Huh, you'd think Jack Boy would have latched on to that issue for the purpose of his crusade by now...  Thank God he's so infinitely myopic and delusional about not defending gamers.

Not that any sane player legally challenging Nintendo on it would even think about hiring him...

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

"Why does it seem that GP is always quick to bring up 'blaming guns' for the shootings?"

GP isn't saying that, he's merely reminding readers what Rep. Robert Pritchard said in the wake of the shooting.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

You are correct in your statement that guns like games didn't force the killer to pull the trigger.  But unlike games guns CAN are dangerous objects.  As such comparing them doesn't really work.  I'm not for heavy handed gun prohibition, but I do feel they need to have some level of control.  Again unlike games.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Yet another killer with a history of unstable behavior. It's a wonder why anyone EVER brought up his gaming habits, let alone his interest in Saw. Have they covered exactly why someone with a history of mental illness was able to secure firearms? The VT guy got them through a loophole which is now closed...what's this guy's secret?

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Jack Boy is so willing to take on video games being sold to underage players, but not how guns can be so easily acquired by those who shouldn't have them...

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I think it is because Jack is as unstable as this guy was...

I highly support people's right to arms.  I don't trust our government enough to go the England route of banning guns.  It didn't help anything for them except people are unable to protect themselves as well, some of the bad people still have guns, and violent crimes with weapons has not gone down at all.  Knives and other weapons just replaced the guns.  (As if it is even hard to make a gun in the first place.)

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

um... actually violent crimes with weapons in the UK have consistently gone down year on year across the country as a whole.

 

You may be right in that 'it didnt help anything' for us, except that typically we have a FAR lower rate of shootings than in other countries. I see that as helping. I think the more important question, is has it ever 'detrimented' me as a uk citizen? Got to say.. in 25 years... havent once been at a detriment because of guns being banned.

 

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I'm going to have to Godwin here.

You know who was at a detriment because of guns being banned?  The Jews.  You see Hitler was a big supporter of gun control.  Can't have the Jews shooting back now can we?  Know who else was a big supporter of gun control?  The KKK.  Replace Jews with black and you get the same idea.  Pretty much if anyone wants to render you unable to defend yourself the basic question you have to ask is why.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Because God knows I am completely unable to defend me against any threat without a gun. Now if PART wouldn't be allowed to use guns, okay, but I never heard of a gun-control law saying "only psycho bastards can own guns".

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Any decent threat, yes you are unable to defend yourself without a gun.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Care to define decent threat? Care to elaborate on chances that here, in the Netherlands, I run into such a decent threat and am better off using a weapon than just going through the motions and going to the cops afterwards?

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

The kind of threat where cops are only good for calling someone to scoop up your brains with a shovel.  That a good enough answer for you?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Nope. You're not describing an actual situation, nor mentioning how likely such a situation actually is. It sounds like a bedtime story to make people scared of the boogeyman, not an actual attempt to convince me with reason.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Maybe YOU would like to give a situation of a threat so menial where you can skip off to the police afterwards.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Okay. I get mugged on the street and forced to give off my wallet.

Of course why on earth I have to give such situations when you're the one who says I need to be able to defend myself with a gun and I ask you why, no idea. Pretty sure the evidence part lies with you right now.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

And then the mugger decides he doesn't want a witness.  Nice one Ghandi, want to try again?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

"Care to elaborate on chances" I asked. Chances, not a hypothetical case and an insult. Of course, if you want to play the condescending game, I'll return the favor: Are you just going to cry wolf all the time without actually bothering to figure out what you're going on about, or are you ever going to grow up and face reality rather than just your own paranoia?

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Chances?  Okay, so I know that you think assault and murder are fairy tale words, but believe me, they happen. 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Correction: You THINK you know what I think. You thought wrong. You made an extremely flawed assumption and made an ass out of yourself by doing so.

Assault happens. Murder happens. Yes. Is it likely that when I get mugged, the guy will prefer drawing the attention of the cops and many more witnesses by murdering me, then doing the same the next time he mugs someone, leaving a massive trail of evidence, drawing media attention and getting an entire team on his ass because he's a completel lunatic? When the alternative is "oh, just another robbery. Yeah we feel sorry for you, sir. If you'll leave your testimony we MIGHT be able to link the case if we happen to bust him for something else," and they're moving on?
As far as I'm concerned, that's not likely. I don't consider it likely in your country, and I absolutely do not consider it likely in mine. Pretty sure I mentioned my country.

Now I knew fully well the scenario you described was possible when I gave you mine. I assumed you'd realize I was aware and did not consider your scenario likely, meaning you'd actually have to explain WHY it is likely, rather than just stating "then this happens! boom! I'm right, you're wrong!" the way you did. Unfortunately you preferred stating a possible scenario as an absolute certainty and added an insult, rather than trying to explain why your ending to my scenario was likely and what the chances were that actually happens.

What you COULD have done to try to convince me, is spin a tale about how the youth grows more violent and instable, and crime does not become violent in more cases, but in violent cases the violence has grown life-threatening. As such, a violent robbery has far greater consequences for your health than it used to, making it that more important that you are able to defend yourself.
Instead you chose to refuse to answer my question, ridicule my example after you refused to give one yourself, insult me because I disagree with you, lie about what I think and say, and when I ask you "how often does it happen?" you claim I say "it doesn't happen" and tell me "it happens". Fun. I asked you how often, for chances. If you don't got statistics to back yourself up, lie about them, but don't lie about what I'm saying.

The way you handled this is rather poor. Rather than trying to convince me you have just reasons for thinking the way you do and trying to get me to try to think the same way, you tried to prove yourself right without any interest in listening to or trying to convince others. This entire discussion was, to you, nothing more but an ego-trip. To me, it was nothing more than a raving lunatic of Jack's level ranting complete paranoia and desillusion and using that as an excuse to treat me like a moron.

Congratulations, sir. You just won the internet.


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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Dennis- Have you considered suing Jack for slander?

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Yes, please do.

Even after disbarment, Jack Boy still has yet to learn the very simple truth that actions have consequences- especially where unethical and improper behavior is concerned, like his lies, bullying, threats and arrogance are concerned.

I'm amazed at how Jack Boy is capable of completely ignoring other factors responsible for these massacres: mental sickness and social isolation was a big factor in Columbine, Virginia Tech, and here.  He'd be better of (we'll all be actually) if he was pushing for better mental health care for kids.

But, no...  It just has to be videogames...

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Aw come on Dennis, you know win!

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Funny thing is I remember shortly after the shooting about how people said he was a "normal" person with no violent tendenices.BULLSHIT!!!!! This man was a sick and disturbed person who needed help. Given the information here, I doubt him going off his meds would have really made a difference. First off anyone who admires Hitler and Bundy or studies the Columbine and Virgina Tech massacres like that is CLEARLY a disturbed person who has problems. What I don't get is why the people who knew him didn't report this and try to get him help. That right there is a warning sign that should have given something anyway. Anyone who has an admiration for these kinds of shooters clearly is comtemplating something like this. Also the fact that he was obsessed with the Saw movies is just as irrelevent as whether he played video games or not. If 6 students were found dead in some booby trapped puzzles with a clown puppet then maybe they did, but that's not what happen. Most of these shooters have a history of mental illness and abuse and instead of trying to help people with those problems we push them asside and try to blame games, guns and adopt draconian zero tolerance policies that ruin the lives of innocent people. Our priorities are backwards here. And this just another case of Jackhole using a national tragedy to promote his own sick agenda. Mr.Thompson you have no compassion and you have no morals. Your a selfish, egotistical, prick who's only out to benefit yourself. Please go away and find another job, maybe actually contribute to society for a change.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

Wow, Dennis.  Just wow.  Jack must have been really, really mad at you to call you that.  And by the way, Jack, tsk tsk.  For someone who swears up and down to be a Christian, that's not a very Christian thing of you to do.  You should know better.

Jeez, and people wonder why I'm so turned-off by the religion to the point where I never want to enter a church again.   It's the sheer hypocrisy and arrogance of people like him.  I know they're not all like that.  I've just had too many bad experiences.

Seriously, though, Dennis, you should be nominated for sainthood having to put up with this guy.  I've followed his career for much longer and I've long sinced passed the point of wanting to say anything to him.  ****

Yeah I said it.  Go ahead, Jack if you're reading this.  Go ahead and use it as more ammunition to say gamers are all a bunch of violent thugs who are "out to get you."  The truth of the matter is, Jack, that you're just an asshole.  And eventually when you've annoyed and angered anyone long enough, they're going to want to beat you to a pulp.  ****  Trust me. 

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

I am for taking away his rights until he pays back all the money he wasted in the court system, or kick him out of the US and send him to Iran. (They hate gays as much as JT does, might be the best place for him.)

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

John Bruce,  May I call you John Boy?  No?  Okay John Boy it is.  You see John Boy, no one is disputing the possibility that he played video games up to and including Counter-Strike.  Being in the age category that he is NOT playing said games would be an anomaly.  But what is in doubt is the connection that these games would have in said shooting.  I know you think that these games turn everyone that plays them into violent sociopaths.  But really people like this are statistically insignifigant.

Now John Boy I know at this point you are ranting and raving like a drunken, crazed hobo about your "studies".  The studies you always try to bring up generally state that video games, in some people, have the potential to cause a spike in aggression.  Again no one is disputing that.  But you see you are making the idiotic leap of logic that aggression = murder.  Aggression is a rather natural and everyday human emotion.  Many things can cause a spike in aggression from sports to rush hour traffic to (according to some similar studies) the Holy Bible. 

Yes, the killer very likely played video games

Yes video games can cause an arrousal in aggression in some people

No video games cannot be responsible for a crime because they cannot remove a person's personal decision whether or not to take another's life.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

*applause*

Well said. I especially like the "John Boy" name. Shall we adopt it?

*turns to the rest*

All in favor?

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aye

* raising hand * aye.

oh, I got another name for him , Brucie, John John, Jack Jack, Jack the Game Ripper, and for those who like to use japanese honorifics, Jackie-chan. LOL.

Re: aye

LOL at Jackie-chan.

Question is, who the hell is gonna play the Shredder if he's a common Foot ninja?

EDIT: Got it shrinked.

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Re: aye

I vote Sarah Palin, if she isn't available, maybe Bush, Pres. of Iran, or Bin Ladin.

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Re: aye

 

Actually, the Jackie-chan thing was not my idea.  It was someone I know from Facebook on a anti-JT group who use the Jackie-chan name on JT. But hey, I decided to bring it in so just to make fun of JT and see what they think of that name.  

 

Oh, by the way that picture is a Epic Win, LOL.  That picture is over 9000!!! 

Re: aye

How dare you insult Brucie. GTA4's Brucie is funny.

Re: aye

 

My apologies, I didn't do it on purpose.  Well, the dude in GTA4 is funny, but I want to call JT, Brucie because to taunt JT, not to compare JT to Brucie. 

Re: aye

Actually that could work. He hates GTA so much calling hi mafter a GTA character would be an insult.

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

This is the crime that shows just how big of a liar Jacko is.  He jumps up and down swearing that he only wants to prevent underage people from playing M-rated games and yet he is so infatuated with this crime -- which was committed by someone who was over the age of 18 when Counter-Strike was originally released. Which is it Jacko?

 

 

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Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

It was vidjagames!... no

It was vidjagames!... no

It was vidjagames!... no

Anyone see a pattern here?  Has to be the games.  There is just so much evidence!  Really, is it about blaming the games until they get it right at least once?

Re: No Mention of Games in Police Profile of NIU Shooter

That bonehead JT really IS obsessed with this website, isn't he?

 
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