Full Frontal in GTA IV Lost & Damned

February 16, 2009 -

When I ponder the things that I'd like to see in video games someday, a fully nekkid Congressman is not high on the list.

Nonetheless, Kotaku reports that a cut scene in GTA IV: The Lost and Damned, scheduled to release tomorrow, features a male character displayed with full frontal nudity:

[Congressman] Stubbs, in his first meeting with lead character Johnny Klebbitz, is receiving a massage at the private gentleman's club Jousters when we meet him. The Congressman, dressed in nothing but a towel, quickly becomes pretty comfortable with his new biker friend, choosing to deliver his monologue in the buff...

The ESRB rating for the game—which is "M" for Mature—does make mention of the gratuitous digital d*ck on display, noting that the game has "Nudity" in its content. The original Grand Theft Auto IV is listed as having only "Partial nudity."


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I guess in this case ratings systems are helpful and useful. People should be Mature enough to not let 3 seconds of man junk in their face to ruin their gaming experience. If you were not going to buy this game because you do not like GTA, or if you have a PS3 and are unable to buy the add-on(Like me), then thats perfectly understandable. But please, don't let 3 seconds of a virtual dick ruin your gaming experience. It's not going to make you gay, it may make you realize that you've been gay your whole life, but thats a completly different topic.

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Oh please, because of a little meat and two veg people who were going to buy this are now goign to avoid it?

MAybe you could, oh, I dunno, look away while the cutscene plays?

Apparently a good number of us lack common sense as well.

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Well I guess this is DLC I won't be buying. I was looking forward to this game until now. I just don't want to see full frontal nudity in my video games.

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I find it ironic that the adults will claim that little timmy will be corrupted by the mere sight of dick and balls.

Yet at the same time, timmy has lived happily for 13 years with a dick and balls permanantly attached to him.

I mean id be MORE worried if little timmy, aged 13, saw those dick and balls and shouted 'Oh my god, what the hell is THAT!'

Re: Full Frontal in GTA IV Lost & Damned

There is some precedent in this. Remember Piggsy in the first Manhunt?

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The fear is that the sight of a penis will be enough to make anyone gay.

This of course will likely be the response if any media types pick it up (likely in America, unlikely elsewhere due other countries' having sensible attitudes towards sex), and is still surprising that the excuse could still be used as there would be nothing wrong in being gay anyway.

Another likely response would be that from the typical homophobic teenage boy crowd, who themselves would be worried the looking at a penis could be considered gay.

So the download has the potential to lose customers but then again I'm sure that they would've been lost when the maturity of GTA4 came along and that the kids expecting childlike humour and dialogue would've decided to play a game that was more targeted towards them, something like Saints Row 2.

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"Make me unsee it" lolcat anyone?

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Can't see the Sun doing anything.. they are after all the one that has naked(ish) women on the first page when you open it (wonder if a newspaper like the Sun could even exist in the US without being branded porn, let alone be read by millions as a family newspaper).

The Mail (aka. Daily Fail) will make a stink out of it because that's what they do about *everything*, real or imagined.

 

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I feel that this best sums up the Suns words vs their actions in one line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5_joo5l5I

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Funny thing though, nudity in video games is not a terribly new thing. I remember back in 95, a little horror series called Phantasmagoria (sp?) featured some female nudity (yes back in the day FMV video with real actors were used...horribly) , various Leisure Suit Larry ganes (Hey it counts! lol), and surprisingly quite a few others over the years. Nudity in this media form is not really a new thing...I just wished a lot of folks would recognize it as a true form of media like T.V, Movies, novels, etc etc.

It took years but now anime/animation in general are now finally being treated as just an alternative form of telling a story and not just for kids. Hopefully video games, other than us gamers, can be recongized by all as this someday. We'll see how this is treated by the media. Wishful thinking here, but I hope if it is well designed and well made that it is treated as such, and not judged harshly because it wants to be "edgy".

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The last Leisure Suit Larry definately counts as the streaking scene had his little man meat flapping around all over the place.

In the US it was originally rated AO and so was censored and released as an M until an uncensored version was released later, not here in the UK or the rest of Europe though, we just got the Uncut version.

In the UK at least I'm 99.99% certain this will just be marked as an 18 no problem. Some rag of a newspaper like the Daily Mail or the Sun may pick up on it but considering we've had films rated 12 with full frontal male nudity (damn you Bob Hoskins!!), any complaint here isn't likely to get far.

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Funny how it is. Here in Canada, I remember the movie Starship Troopers was rated 14A (for Canadian rating that is almost equiv to PG-13, while 18A is R here.). As a teen at the time, it was great to see a ton of nudity and huge violence on the screen.

While if you MENTION violence or any sexually suggested content, you get stamped an instant 18 or M. Sad :(

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Hah Mr. Stubbs...I get it.

I agree with HarmlessBunny, this will defiantly create some sort of shock hype which may or may not have been part of Rockstar's plan (I mean what else could they do [besides having sex because HotCoffee already did that/ too much backfire even if it did pass ESRB...]. Rockstar has successfully created themselves as the 'edgy' company, and its been a productive image for them. I saw the scene at gamevideos if anyone is interested. We'll look back at this 10 years from now, and remember when seeing a penis in the game was actually a 'big' deal (Sorry I couldn't resist). (Like what Chicago Hope did with 'shit')

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 pics or it didnt happen.

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erm....

I think it's safe to say that my penis is small.....damn you Rockstar!!!

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This is all well and good, but controversy like this is doing what it does best...create intrigue in the product and create hype. Granted male nudity is not my ideal shock hype...but it is creating ripples already. This will sell because of the controversy...and idiots like Thompson and FOX news, will just add encouragement not actually discourage :)

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I don't own a 360 but if anything this has discouraged me from getting it.

I was intrigued when I saw a trailer that featured one man threating to shove another man's face onto the wheel of an upturned motorcycle that was spinning at high speed.

This interested me not because of the promise of violence but because judging by the character's faces (and GTAIV's storyline), there was going to be backstory to this and it interested me as to why someone would want/need to threaten to do that to someone.

Now if this was a trailer to manhunt it wouldn't have peaked my interest too much.

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Is he going to fight in the buff, though?  I wanna recreate the scene from Eastern Promises.

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Well, I suppose the boundary had to be pushed eventually.

I just hope there's no backlash like their was with that blasted Janet Jackson incident.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

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Cue the senile nutcase with a letter to every media outlet around 7am Florida time...

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More like senile Nutcase Who is an arrogant potty mouth

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America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Oh come on he said son of a bitch once.

I guarantee all of the regulars here have swore more on this site than he did (especially in the story about the SC bill that would ban profanity).

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The statement was made in refrence all of the times he he used curse words (Where he told an attourny to go F*** himself in the Bar trial series(sometime later he dropped the C-bomb during rockstars testimony in the bar trial series) and called Jason della rocca a Jacka** in a article that I don't know on this site, not to mention add in one of his interviews in which he dropped more Curse words, that's the reason why I made  that statement, not because he called dennis a Lying SOB because he used profane lanuage once before that)

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Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Actualyl, the Della Rocca thing happened on live national television.

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Fuck censorship!

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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Should be an event where the player fucks a girl named Jacky. The actual sex can either be offscreen or be completely skipped if desired.

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In America nudity is a BIG issue. I bet the news would be screaming about this and the whole "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" people will come out in droves.

Re: Full Frontal in GTA IV Lost & Damned

 Non-sexual moments of full frontal nudity in a Movie would net you a PG and a cheap laugh. This is an absolute non-issue.

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Sadly, that's not the case.

Video games,even after 20+ years are still considered by the older generation to be nothing more than children's toys, thus, such things are corrupting the youth of the nation.

 

In another few years once such people have lessened or found a new target, then it will finally be a non-issue.

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I agree,

I think anime/manga will be the new target.

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No, it won't.

Been there, done that, as anime/manga are Japanese versions of Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, Archie comics, Disney, Spider-Man, etc.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Err what do you mean? Looney Toons and Tom and Jerry had some detractors for beeing children shows and featuring violence that would be quite brutal in real life (nothing on the level of GTA's complaints in either number or valor but still there).

Disney just had the folks who complained about "hidden messages" that you need freeze frames to see (see snopes for more details).

So how will it be like all of them?

Oh and Bugs Bunny can wipe the floor with any other cartoon/anime character you can think of.

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What I meant was that Japanese anime/manga are the equivalent of American cartoons and comic books. Hence the "been there, done that" comment.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Jiro aka Silverblade aka Kinslayer from Black Blood Brothers

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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Not to decry it or anything... but I have to pull a George Carlin here a moment... "WHY?!" The most logical answer to that I suppose is "why not?"

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Of course, if any other series dared to be as violent as GTA, where you can murder hookers after screwing them, and displayed full on nudity, it would be given an AO rating.

Clearly another case of ESRB favoritism. Bethesda had to exclude children from oblivion, and make all kids in fallout 3 invincible, half life 2 had to exclude children (originally the reproductive repressive field didn't exist), and to come back to oblivion-oblivion had a locked file showing breasts (oh no!).

Apparently displaying breasts, killing children, or depicting racism is horrifically wrong by the ESRB if you're a small company, but if you're big enough showing dick, racial stereotypes, and murdering hookers after hiring them is fine and dandy M-rated material that can be sold alongside games like unreal tournament, half life 2, oblivion, crysis (FFS, crysis had MILD gore compared to most other games), and others.

I *HATE* double standards in this industry. Down with the ESRB, up with a truly independant ratings system not controlled by the government (As in some european countries) or the major game companies.

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An independent group with no ties to either the government or the industry, huh?  Sounds good, but who's going to come out of pocket to pay for the operating costs?

You?

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

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"Clearly another case of ESRB favoritism. Bethesda had to exclude children from oblivion, and make all kids in fallout 3 invincible, half life 2 had to exclude children"

You got a source? If this is true then it's a damn disgrace.

Kill children and it becomes Ao?

What makes children so special? I always wanted for games to let you kill children because

A. It would mean pushing the envelope more than movies

B. It would be a big sign that they don't care about naysayers

C.  Tieing into A and B it would overstep another taboo.

D. Since children are much more fragile than adults it wouldn't be unrealistic to expect that running over/ shooting a child would lead to more gore and/or blood which would tie into the others and damage the 'games are only for kids' myth even more.

Ok so I think killing children in a game would be amusing on some level.

I bought bioshock recently and one of my first instincts after seeing one of the little sisters was to shoot it with my shotgun (I spared the first because someone said it'll be worth my while). After that didn't work I harvested it and couldn't see the process. Damn censors. Now I'm going to try saving one and then shooting it although if the infected girls can survive standing in water I blasted with lightning I'm not sure it'll let me kill them.

Where was I going with this? Oh yeah. ESRB shouldn't make killable chidlren an instant Ao. Why because then you're making a moral decision that it is more inappropriate vs. killing an adult while having the same amount of blood and gore.

I was going to make a point about there being child soldiers in real life but upon reflection I think if you actually had child soldiers as enemies the ESRB wouldn't mind (plus it kills the whole 'they're innocent, pure and of no threat' vibe).

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 If anything, the fact that it's NOT government controlled is what allows it to get away with such double standards. Or at least, that's the impression I got from 'This Film is Not Yet Rated', which discusses the faliures of the MPAA when it comes to movies from smaller production companies.

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The ESRB is independant and Bethesda is not a small company.

 

I don't think this is favoritsim, it's rockstar breaching boundaries other companies are afraid to even consider.

 

Besides, it's DLC, no episodic content, meaning it gets the same rating as the main game. Meaning the ESRB again isn't palying favorites, they are simply following their own rules.

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The boob mod that oblivion got hit for was third party DLC, and it still got their rating changed. The ESRB realized they'd screwed up and released a statement basically saying that in light of violent content seen in the game (How they could have missed the zombie in the beginner dungeon is beyond me) they were now rating it M.

Bethesda, compared to EA games, is a small company with only one physical location.

Sometimes I think jack thompson was actually paid by rockstar to make such a ridiculous argument against them that anyone that criticized them was either consciously or subconsciously regarded as like him.

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If I'm not mistake the ESRB gets a video presentation of what the game typicall entails, and a group of people who know the game are available for questioning. I do not think they have full hands on with the game, and if they do its very limited and my be inconsistent with the actual game itself. If I'm wrong and if ESRB had Oblivion full on, then they were just covering their asses.

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That was never meant to be seen in the first place, and as you said, the mod was third party, meaning the developers of the game itself had no hand in it's creation whatsoever, which means that mod was in no way protected by the ESRB. The zombie thing however, I do see it's rating being ramped up for that.

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Errm... While I disagree with the ESRB on many things, I do not think it's 'government controlled'.

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No, the ESRB is not government controlled-other ratings systems in other countries are. The ESRB was founded by the ESA in 1992.


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Oh. I'm sorry, I misunderstood the above post.

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If the simpsons can do it with an 8 year old kid in their movie without being decried as child porn, then no one has any business coming after this, of course I am not sure what is more disgusting... 8 years old or 80...

 

*shudders*

 

Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I

chick chick chick chick chickeeeeen lay a little egg for meeeeee!

Re: Full Frontal in GTA IV Lost & Damned

Err people did decry it as child porn although I think it was mostly the easily offended types.

I haven't seen the clips but I guarantee that Rockstar is going to be more detailed than the Simpsons.

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