NY City Council Speaker Will Call for Retail Boycott of Rape Game

February 23, 2009 -

The Speaker of the New York City Council is expected to denounce a controversial Japanese rape simulation game this morning on the steps of City Hall in Manhattan.

Councilwoman Christine Quinn (middle left) will hold a news conference in protest of RapeLay at 11:00 A.M. As GamePolitics has reported, the hentai game was recently removed from product listings on Amazon.com where a re-seller had been offering it for sale.

Quinn will be joined by the New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault. A press release announcing the event includes the following description:

A teenage video "game" simulating brutal gang rape and other horrifying sexual violence — just pulled by Amazon.com — will be the subject of a news conference hosted by [Quinn]... who will call on all U.S. video distributors to refuse its distribution or sale...

 

The "game" is now available in the U.S. market...

We should point out that RapeLay, while despicable, is not a product of the U.S. video game industry and is not rated by the ESRB.

UPDATE: Newsday has the first mainstream media coverage of today's press conference:

Amazon and eBay have already banned the sale of the game... but New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said Monday that the game is available on other Web sites...

UPDATE 2: The photo at left is from the news conference. Speaker Quinn is in the middle. At left, holding artwork from RapeLay, is  Harriett Lessel, Executive Director of The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault. Of the game, Lessel said:

Video games of this nature are beyond appalling, and people of good conscience need to speak out against them. Sexual violence is a major problem in America and video games like this send the exact wrong message to young people. It tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls, and it tells girls they are worthless. The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault is hopeful that American distributors will reject this game and the aberrant behavior it promotes.


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As first I loled....then I came from all the laughter

I can't wait until they come out and demand the closure of Bittorent....oh wait, Bittorent is more than a company?

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They are just doing this to get good points with the public.

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 Looking at the picture...

Is it just me or it looks like they slapped a picture of the game into a actual game case, or I'm just paranoid that they're making it look like they went out and bought the game.

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Not only that, but it looks like a Wii case doesn't it (the white). Which would just freak parents out more since the Wii is portrayed as a console for children.

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-facepalm-

Here we go again.

 

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just thought id post this as a standalone post.... (posted as a reply earlier)

But it raises some important issues! (the original post was in answer to gp commenting that the game is 'despicable' and that amazon 'did the right thing' in pulling the game). :

 

Peronally.. on a subjective level.. this game ISNT for me. TBH i really find it VERY unpleasant, and have ZERO desire to play it. On that part i am 1000000% agreed.

However.. to say that it is despicable ( i presume this is a moral commentary)... i dont get how mass murder in GTA IV is 'better' or 'not despicable'. In fact in a bizaare way, you could say that looking at the real crimes, that (debatably) the consequences of murder are technically MORE severe than rape.. (honestly not trying in ANY way to downplay the absolute awfulness  of rape here btw). But for some reason one is 'despicable' and the other isnt... The real crimes are both awful. But i thought that the whole argument FOR games like GTA being allowed.. is that this is fictional..

At What particular point does the fact that something is 'fictional' apparently stop being a defence to including it in a game/film/book?

Why  is fictional mass murder not 'despicable', yet fictional rape is...

More importantly.. who is the one who makes the judgement call? Surely if that judgement is subjective, you enter dangerous grounds... and are no better than JT claiming GTA should be banned because of a personal objection to them.

As far as having a PERSONAL view that the game is despicable.. fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions.. I just feel its wrong if you use that to imply that it was right for this game to be pulled etc BECAUSE of nothing BUT a personal objection.  Isnt that EXACTLY what JT does? And isnt that exactly what we have chastised him for for years?

Hence i believe that an objective view needs to be taken. I may not like this game, i may never want to play it, heck i may or may not even personally think that anyone who does want to play it is a nutjob, but i couldnt sit back and say this should be banned and GTA shouldnt.. for no other reason than bcause 'I say so'. That would be REALLY hypocritical after fighting for the right to play Games like GTA.

Just wondering (in a non critical way... just from a philosophical debate viewpoint)  if GP could clarify the views on this one. Its a REALLY interesting debate, with a lot of heated and conflicting views. Havent seen an issue divide the GP community so much in a long while!.

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NovaBlack;

What I'll say is this.

At least in games like GTAIV or Manhunt there is a point to the game BEYOND the killing. The killing is part of the game, but the point behind the game (note, the point of the work itself, not what users make of it) is to complete objectives and follow the story.

RapeLay has no point beyond "Let's rape these women." And that is what makes it worse than the "murder" portrayed in other games. The entire focus of the game is how best to sexually assault and rape a mother and her daughters. There is no goal beyond that.

Do I think RapeLay should be illegal? No. However, it most definitely meets the definition of obscenity. There is no Social, Literary, Artistic or Political value to the game (taken as a whole), it clearly appeals to the prurient interest in sex, and it is patently offensive to the average reasonable person when applying community standards.

 

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There is a plot to it actually. Rather a player chooses to care about said plot is up to the player though as in the earlier still much played Mortal Kombat games or the GTA series.

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Having the plot does not necessarily mean there is something beyond the "rape."

Does teh plot have anything to do with taking the story beyond committing rape?

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I can't say anything informed as I haven't played it, but to my understanding some (if not all) of the endings lead to a bad end for the main character.  I would guess (however, as said, I am not sure if this is the case) that there has to be some type of plot development rather than just rape scenes to lead to such an ending.

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But the mere existence of a plot does not resolve the issue. If the plot is merely some tacked on contrivance that only serves to connect scenes of gratutious rape it is still obscene.

If the work, when taken as a whole, is whout serious artistic, literary, or political value, is patetly offensive when applying contemporary community standards, and appeals the prurient interest in sex. It is obscene and NOT protected by the First Amendment.

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To be honest i was more interested in the logical/moral justification for GP's (and many other GP readers) reasoning.

I just cant get my head around how it isnt just plain hypocritical....

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The miller test and obscenity laws in general are bullshit nya. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

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That's one of the problems with the Miller Test.  Its terms aren't defined.  For example, how do you quantify "serious literary value"?  The game seems to contain a moral and even some light political commentary (although you could easily argue "cliché").  Is that enough to qualify its literary value as serious?

In my opinion, the game holds serious artistic and scientific value and therefore fails the Miller Test.

 

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Agreed. I thought about e-mailing GP a few times to ask for a comment to further explain his opinion, but I figured he was probly to busy to notice the constant asking. Then he commented in one of the JT articles >> So I think he doesn't want to explain it further for some reason.


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If some guys sat at home playing this game instead of trying the real thing, more power to it I say.

No real people other than the player are involved and I'd be hypocritical if I argued that this can influence someone to go and try it for real but the likes of Halo, Counter Strike and Doom don't influence some lunatic to go on a shooting spree.

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I can tell who winnners in this story are. I wasn't even aware of a webstore that is in english that sells Illusion's games before Newsday pointed it out. Also I'm surprised that there has not been any comments about the other games that are on sale: Battleraper, Biko and a mountain of other less well known games involving rape. I checked the eroge sales ranking in Amazon.jp when Rapelay was pulled from Amazon.com. Back then it was ranked #51 which is normal for Illusion game. Now it's risen to #12 which is a very high ranking considering that only one other game in the top 20 is older than 2008.

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SPOILER ALERT: F.E.A.R. 2, don't read if you don't want any surprises ruined.  If you haven't played fear2 yet, and intend to at some point, don't bother looking into what I just wrote, you'll ruin a major part of the plot for yourself.  Also, anyone commenting on it (if there are any) try not to give anything away.

 

 

This may be a little off topic, but did you know theres an actual modern game with rape in it sold in the U.S.?  Yup: F.E.A.R. 2.

Sure as hell hit me by surprise when I played it, lol.  I wonder if these people would have a problem with the rape portrayed in that.  I mean, the circumstances are very different than in Rapelay, it's not explicitly shown (though heavily hinted at with sound and a few less-than-a-second clips, plus the final scene of you-know-who), and its actually story driven and not just to push any envelopes, but its definitely rape and its definitely there in a widely sold title.

I for one thought the surprise was hilariously awesome.  Can't wait for the next game.  If you won't play the game, just google for it and im sure you'll come across plenty of info and youtube vids.

Also, we need spoiler tags.  Any chance we can get those?  It'd be nice for limiting some post lengths at any rate, or placing pics within.  I mean, this is a gaming site, people are bound to discuss games so it'd be nice not to have something spoiled by glancing through comments.

 

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Y'know, there are still those that maintain that Alma doesn't actually rape you, that it's all consensual.

I guess we're all still uncomfortable with the idea of an undead 20-something woman raping a burly Delta Force Operative.

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Didn't one of the Silent Hills have Pyramid Head 'abusing' some creature when you first meet him?

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Yes, Silent Hill 2. And he's raping it, not abusing it. And for those of you who haven't played one of the best video games of all time here's a spoiler alert.

 

************************There's also a side plot with one of the chracters involving Rape, and incest. It's more then implied that Angela, a creepy suicidal nutjob you meet, was raped by her father and that you fight him in monster form to save her.*****************

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Okay, has anyone who would listen to this boycott even considered buying this game?  That's like calling for a boycott of heroin.  The only people who are buying it won't care that you want it boycotted.

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Man. Keith Vaz must be the greatest advertising specialist in the world...

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Still some people don't understand the difference between American law and Japanese law.

And some people don't understand that AO18+ rated games are NEVER ALLOWED TO BE SOLD commercially.

Sadly Politicians don't give a shit about the facts and they only go with what makes them newsworthy.

Sadly, for many politicians, they fail to understand that many Videogamers are old enough to vote and it will be their asses that will be voted out of power because of their own selfish actions they are doing for newsworthy propaganda.

 

TBoneTony

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Actually, what you said about AO games is absolutly wrong.  The only reason they aren't sold commercially on consoles is because of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo's ban on it.  PC is fair game to have AO games released commercially.  Just to prove my point, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude had two releases, one of which (the uncut version) was a commercially released game that had an AO rating from the ESRB.

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Ok, sorry about that.

I only just thought that the Game retailers for both consoles and PCs never wanted an AO18+ rated game to be sold on their market.

Not living in America is hard for me to get the right info because I am from Australia, so I only went by the information from the ESRB.

Although I do know that in Canada they can sell AO rated games that were cut-down in America.

So yeah, we do need to get our facts right before we make strong opinions on something that we care about.

TBoneTony

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I don't think that's true. AO games aren't sold commercially, but I'm pretty sure there is no law against it.

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that is right.

there is no law against selling an AO rated game.

It is just that most commercial retailers that sell Videogames would most likely refuse to sell an AO rated game, and that is what makes the Big 3 not to want a AO rated game on their console because of the risk of lossing money from lisensing a game that can't be sold commercially.

That is how I understand from it.

TBoneTony

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Y'know, I always wondered why people object to this. I mean, sure, it's completely taboo, but it's not like they're using real people. It's all fiction; nobody (besides rape victims) are hurt by this.

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"nobody (besides rape victims) are hurt by this."

Hell, even that is stretching out pretty far. I mean, on a psychological level, maybe, but then it brings into question of how they managed to obtain the game or see scenes from it. Chances are, they had to actively look for it.

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That's it. I'm downloading this game. After hearing about it non-stop for like 2 weeks now, I just can't resist anymore. I hope you feel like you've accomplished your objective Councilman Quinn.

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I've come across it a couple times during various searches for porn, but it never particularly interested me.  Rape or rape play has never interested me in the slightest, so I usually don't play hentai games with that kinda stuff in it, or avoid the routes that contain it (I'm not a completionist, so I don't mind missing out.)  On a side note, ever notice how hard it can be sometimes to find something that doesn't contain it, or allude to it in some way?

'Sides, theres other stuff out there that pushes multiple boundaries at once.  Wanko to Kurasou anyone?

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I guarantee that within 10 minutes you'll be regreting the time you spent on downloading the game. The game's plot is slow, boring and aside for the well made graphics of the female characters the whole thing is a pain to look. You can go through objects for gods sake!!!

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Yeah, sounds like crap. But I for one would get it mostly out of spite. H-games were never my thing; I prefer video or manga.

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Yeah, from a technology standpoint the game's a mixed bag.

 

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I'm getting there myself. Along with...downloading...other stuff.

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If you speak Japanese, and go to a Japanese web site which requires you to be 18, and pay Japanese Yen to purchase the game, and then wait like 2 months for it to be shipped from Japan, then you are probably not "a young boy" anyway.

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Waste of time. Waste of money. Waste of...well of life really....

 

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this is sickening. they make it out to be like it's a game widely available, like a console game, something teenagers are getting there hands on quite easily. it's not as if you could just walk down to your local wal-mart and buy it.

besides, if a teenager IS getting his hands on it, well...for one thing, he must be pretty smart, because he learned japanese and was able to get it from a jap site, he has a credit card somehow, and he is already FAR into the land of alternative porn.

 

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You'd be surprised. They're certainly not readily available, but they're also not nearly as difficult to find as you think. Personally I discovered hentai games as a teenager, and was interested in them for a couple years. But I didn't bother to learn Japanese, or pay for them. Nor did I have to attempt to make sense of Japanese websites, there's plenty in English. I guess that hampered my enjoyment a little, but how much does the dialogue really add to porn anyway?

The main drawback is that I never had any clue what I was downloading. And the Japanese have some freaky fetishes, often I'd come across something disturbing, but then I'd just skip it. My point is, in my adolescent quest for naughty video games, I didn't need to be terribly clever, knowledgeable, or unusually perverse. I just had the normal teenage interests of cartoons, video games and boobs.

So I was the sort of curious teenager Mrs. Quinn fears will be corrupted, and turned into a remoreseless rape fiend. But nothing could be further from the truth. Sure it was shocking to inadvertently come across that, but it's also such a ridiculous and comically exaggerated form of fiction that I can't imagine anyone conflating it with reality. Just like horror movies, it's not really my cup of tea, but I don't think those who enjoy them are psychotic or dangerous.

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"... but New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said Monday that the game is available on other Web sites..."

*facepalm*

Of course Rapelay is on other web sites, I'm not even sure if Quinn actually wants to ban this game indiscrimately from the internet.

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It's illegal for children to be sold a copy of rapeplay. In order for a parent to buy the game for their children they have to be browsing places that sell japanese porn.

They also have to be unaware that the game is only in Japanese.
 

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I've never seen Playboy at a Barnes and Noble. And I've been to several in several different states. Where are you shopping?

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Maybe they have it behind the counter?  I know Books-a-Million has playboy, and about 8 or so other "adult" magazines and then you got the sexuality section (the store I work, we had a church want to boycott us because we had a gay sex and sexuality section near the store's cafe where employes could watch it to keep kids out)  We moved it to the back, but we cant watch it now as easily, so kids can easily go back and read up on 365 positions a year or some other book. 

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I think people need to accept that murder in fiction is not taboo as rape is. People need to get over this point that "if you support GTA then you must support Rapelay". Human society has a fascination with murder, heroes real and fictional kill. Every war we have is about killing people. Killing has been around since the dawn of time, we kill animals to eat. Killing can be justified, rape is and can never be justified.

The missions in GTA are mainly about killing enemies, the same goes for Manhunt. There isn't really a perogative for killing innocent people, but even if there was serial killers can be anti-heroes, just look at all those Friday 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hannibal Lector type films, the serial killer is likeable. The same is not true of rapists. There has never been a lovable rogue who rapes people in films. Again murder is seen differently to rape in human society, accept it.

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I think you need to jump off your high horse. People need to apply some bloody fucking logic. There is only one perogative for playing mortal kombat and that's to kill the other person. Even in the earlier games it was about the fight for earth realm, but you don't have to play an earth realm warrior which means if you win technically you drag the earth into eturnal darkness.

Have you ever seen "A Clockwork Orange"? People still don't HAVE to kill animals btw. It's possible to live a healthy vegitarian diet contrary to popular belief. Most people don't HAVE to kill other people they choose to. What about the rape victims who actually say this game is ok? Maybe we just don't get all those people who say we should be more traumatized? You're saying that boohoo the game is worse cause society says so get over it. But the entire point is to fight mis conceptions in society and media. Like when women were presented as only being able to be housewives in media, or when gays are shown only in a negative light people speak up.

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If you believe that you can change human opinion that has stayed the same for over thousands of year, well good luck to you, but you are well and truly deluded.

"A Clockwork Orage", guess what? Caused a lot of controversy due to its depiction of rape. Rapelay, guess what? Caused a lot of controversy due to its depiction of rape.

Fact: There is an acceptable side to killing in human society, there are times when it is justified. Rape can never be justified. That is why for thousands of years humans see rape as much worse. Look at Japanese culture where there is an honour about killing, there has never been honour about rape.

Your example Mortal Kombat. It involves a battle between two people to the death, both people have consented to the outcome. Rapelay is not about consent (obviously it wouldn't be rape if it were).

In society there is a romantisation of serial killers (even those who kill innocent people), why? Perhaps we are sadistic, but deep down we understand that some forms of killing can be justified.

People don't have to kill animals, but will animals stop killing each other? Perhaps we should campaign for a peaceful nature where all animals eat only vegetables and not each other. Again killing exists in all forms of nature.

I am simply showing you the reasons why society deems this game worse than games that depict murder. And that is an opinion you will not change, whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but you won't be able to change it, but at least understand the reasoning behind which you seem to be battling against.

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Actually rape wasn't really deamed unacceptable until after the feminist movement... There wasn't even laws prohibiting spousal rape. Additionally animals also rape each other. And Murder in games so far has sparked intense controversy. Same as violence in TV shows. But people have always fought against what they deem unacceptable portrayals of something. You think every change stems from the majority?

Plus it doesn't take a moron to see what she's saying is wrong because it equates to either lying or just intentionally ignoring the facts.

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I was wondering if someone was going to talk about 'when rape was deamed unacceptable'.  Most people our age (using the term rather broadly) were not around or really paying attention to earlier periods.  People tend to not realize just how much has changed in the last 100 years.

It should also be noted, to State, that rape is generally considered a valid warfare tactic, at least among cultures that do not have a stong military/civilian split (with good media) like the US and Europe have.  Other times and places though, rape is just another tool of war.  It results in happier troops, demoralized opponents, reduction in the next generation of combatiants....

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And I must take issue with the statement that "Rape can never be justified". Morally, no it's not justifiable. But biologically, it is completely justifiable. Rape can propogate the species, especially the stronger or smarter of the species. This is an obvious boon for life. The point of life is to keep on going, regardless of how.

Of course, there is no need for it in the modern world. What with 7,000,000,000 of us living on this tiny little planet, we could do with a few less children right now.

 
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