Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House Committee

February 24, 2009 -

He wasn't on hand to testify and his name wasn't mentioned, but the influence of disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson was apparent in yesterday's meeting of the Business and Labor Committee of the Utah House of Representatives.

By a 10-3 vote, committee members approved H.B. 353, a bill drafted by Thompson and sponsored by Rep. Mike Morley. The measure targets the video game and film industries by amending Utah's current Truth in Advertising law. Retailers and movie theaters which advertise that they don't sell M-rated games or R-rated movie tickets to underage buyers and then do so would be liable for fines of $2,000 per incident.

Those testifying on behalf of the bill included Alan Osmond, the most senior of the Osmond Brothers vocal group and Gayle Ruzicka, the politically powerful head of the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum.

For his part, Osmond, read into the record verbatim passages from an e-mail circulated earlier yesterday by Thompson. Osmond, however, did not identify Thompson as the author:

This link shows a montage of sex scenes from the Grand Theft Auto IV game which has been sold and is presently being sold at BestBuy.com, WalMart.com, Target.com, GameStop.com, and at other retailers’ sites, with no age verification whatsoever.

As you can see, there are graphically depicted lap dances in a “gentleman’s club” in this game, including simulation of oral/anal sexual intercourse between women.  The hero in the game then has intercourse, clearly depicted...  The hero then kills the woman by gunfire and running her over with his car.

Now that’s entertainment...

Utah must do something about these major retailers who are flat-out lying to the public when they assert they are not selling this and other similar pornographic “games” to kids when in fact they are...

Conservative power broker Gayle Ruzicka also testified on behalf of the bill with a Thompson-esque flavor, mentioning Devin Moore, the GTA-playing Alabama teen who murdered three police officers in 2004. Thompson, representing the officers' families, subsequently brought suit against Rockstar Games, Sony and others before being thrown off the case by an Alabama judge for professional conduct violations in November, 2005.

For those familiar with Thompson's anti-GTA crusade, Ruzicka's testimony had a familiar tone:

These [games] are the kind of things that are training our children. This is the vile stuff. The Grand Theft Auto games are cop-killing murder simulators. And when [Devin Moore] was faced with being arrested he knew exactly what to do. He knew how to aim... at the head and each time killed these [officers]. We don't want this for our children. Not at all. Please, please vote yes today on this bill.

 

Anything we can do to protect our children from the violence, from the filthy pornography that the only way they can get into the pornography is being good at the game. They work hard and get to certain levels and when they get to the high enough levels then they get into the pornography - filthy, vile stuff that you would be appalled and never want your children to see. And then as a reward, they get to kill the women...

Dick Cornell of the Utah Association of Theater Owners was among those who testified against the bill:

 

Theater owners have taken pride in enforcing [MPAA] ratings... There isn't any forgiveness in this [bill] for an intent by someone else to deceive us, so we would be penalized for that...

 

One thing that we're very susceptible for in this legislation is that we would be penalized if there was a ticket purchase over... online or on the ticket kiosk. Because as soon as that purchase was made... we would be in violation of this law... We know of some theaters here in Utah that 40% of the ticket sales are done through a kiosk or online purchases... We have theaters that will on the weekend pull in 10,000 people of a Saturday. The chances of exceeding this [bill's] limit, it's possible, even though our intent to keep the kids out.

 

This bill really discourages compliance with our voluntary system. The only protection that we would have if this passes is to not follow the enforcement rules... And we don't want to do that...

Oddly enough, Rep. Morley said that it was not his intent to have the proposal apply to movie tickets, although the language of the measure would seem to encompass theaters.

HB 353 will now move on to the full Utah House for consideration.

AUDIO FILE: Listen as the committee considers the bill (53mb, 58 mins, mp3).


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Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

The real problem with laws is they are not perfect, but that´s normal. The problem is when people believe law as perfect, that everybody will follow them blindly.

 

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Does anyone think this is even worth the ESA's time to overturn this one? 

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I'd like to see this perjury mentioned in the post directly above yours called out. Maybe the lieing finally stops, when someone gets seriously burned.

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Sorry, but the above poster is wrong.  The lapdancing does exactly what they say it does, except for the fact that there isn't any nudity whatsoever.  You get worse than that in a primetime evening tv drama.  What they are doing is misleading people rather than presenting the facts in their raw form (showing them the footage).

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"Oral/anal intercourse..."

That is a lie. No anal in the game at all.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

 First statement....

''including simulation of oral/anal sexual intercourse between women.  The hero in the game then has intercourse, clearly depicted...  The hero then kills the woman by gunfire and running her over with his car.''

Followed by...

''I solemnly swear, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing description of what is in GTA IV is true, correct, and complete, and that this game is being sold to kids under 17 in Utah. ''

 

Congrats. you just commited perjury.

there is no 'anal or oral sex'. There is no 'clearly depicted' intercourse.

 

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

Notice he only pulls this 'I solemnly swear' stuff at times where there is no perjury system in play?

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

email that to Utah

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

Someone call the ACLU!  Send in Op-Eds to the newspapers!  Bring 'em to their knees!

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Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

Jack proves his pathological lying is only believed by other pathological liars yet again.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

I can already see them stationing peope lat retail outlets so they can pounce the second they even think there is an infraction.

It's the same as the prop 8 law, it's only purpose is so they can impose their beleifs on others. It serves no other purpose.

If you need to lie to get a law passed, it is not a good law.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

You reminded me of what one of the GP members once said, I took the quote as forum-signature:

When your goverment start to look problems in fiction instead real life, is not a good time.
- Rodrigo Ybáñez García

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Great.  We'll never hear the end of this from him now.

Also, I always thought it was kind of a joke that the Osmonds ran Utah.  Had no idea one of them actually had a political career.  One more reason to dislike them now.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Don't worry. He's going to crow and strut for a short bit, but then this law is going to get thrown out like all the others and we'll be back to laughing at the pitiful excuse for a human being.

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Yeah, but you know that the man hangs on to every little scrap of victory he can get, real or imagined.  Irregardless of whether the law gets tossed out or not, in every interview he ever does from now on, he's going to mention how he got this bill passed in Utah and no one's going to call him on it.  Just like he keeps harping on his appearance on 60 Minutes ad nauseum.

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I find it more likely the bill is passed, gets turned into a law, then a cinema theater gets sued, some retailers of movies, some retailers of video games, some crazy bitch sues a store for selling a boardgame rated 10+ to her son of 9, and the politicians will claim they never intended the law to be used like this, yet they formulated it in such a way it CAN.

 

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Then it would be ruled unconstitutionally broad.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Hm... Could be possible. Man, I want to read the entire thing. They claim, for example, it's only against M/R-rated things, yet the thing you linked to earlier was general enough to apply to all the other age restrictions as well.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

And a question from me: You're not allowed to single out one type of media. How does making a law with usage against all media types, yet claiming it is against one and intent to use against one, go up against that?

Furthermore, does intent when making the law even matter when it applies to civil lawsuits where people can sue based on what the law clearly states, which would easily include theaters? Is the intent of lawmakers relevant when the law clearly says something else and based on that someone sues a theater?

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

Depends on the judge, there are a few cases about the "spirit/intent of the law" versus the "letter of the law".

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Additional question for those intelligent legal minds in-the-know (so don't waste your time Traitor John Bruce because you're not intelligent to begin with):

How does the EXISTING law apply to advertisments regarding the sale of products over the internet, even by retailers who also have brick and mortar locations?  I notice the Traitor John Bruce's efforts to slip that in since the FTC's studies show a continuing decline in failure rates of brick and mortar retail sales each time the study is done.  So he has to try to misinform the politicians with references to internet sales, which may or may not be governed by this law.

I'm just curious how it would ACTUALLY apply to internet sales, no matter what the truth about age verification systems, etc during the sales.

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I should guess that the retailer's claims on checking ID (nonexistant, in most cases) online, would take precedence over the brick-and-motar's claims.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

I think the video game law should not only unconstutinal but literally unenforcable because they want the Store and theater chains to slip up so they can get Money to fill JT's pocket to fullfil JT and the States greed

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Thing is Jack can't collect a dime :)  He can't sue anyone unless he has an attorney working for him.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Oh he can sue alright. He's just restricted in submitting court filing documents.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

But only in Florida.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

jackie was only licenced to practice law in Florida so being barred there leaves him a 3 legged horse (nothing again horses btw) in a derby.  Can't help but lose.  Of course he had already practiced that to an artform.   

For those that live in Utah I submit there is always gogamer.com or other online gaming sites beyond the narrow reach of this BS.  Also my sympathies. 

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah House

Wait... People need VIDEOGAMES to tell them headshots are the best way to take down a guy with a vest? What on earth are they teaching Utah kids, is biology off-limits due to its vague association with evolution?

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

The testimony of the hearing should be used as evidence in the lawsuit to follow any passing of this bill to show that the PURPOSE of the bill surrounds the issue of "harmful to minors", which has already proven to make such laws unconstitutional.

The fact they had to use fearmongering, misinformation, lies, and deceit to force this bill through was clear evidence that such a law was baseless and unconstitutional from the start.

But what do you expect from hate groups like the Eagles Forum and corrupt, Anti-US Constitutionalists like the Traitor John Bruce "Jack" Thompson and the other politicians supporting such bills?

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"The testimony of the hearing should be used as evidence in the lawsuit to follow any passing of this bill to show that the PURPOSE of the bill surrounds the issue of "harmful to minors", which has already proven to make such laws unconstitutional."

Actually, I think you're very wrong.  In the case of the other laws, they tended to center around compelled speech or prior restraint of speech for the purposes of stopping something allegedly harmful to minors.  However, it's the bold parts that're important -- those are the actions which bring the laws into direct contention with the First Amendment and require the law to have a better established purpose than a vague assertion of games being "harmful to minors".

 

In this case, however, it looks like they're using the truth in advertising laws.  At its core, the law boils down to "If you say you always do X, and you're caught not doing X, you're going to get fined."  As such, I'm inclined to believe that this law will end up being constitutional.  Unlike an older proposed law, it doesn't require ESRB ratings on all games (which would be both compelled speech and also prior restraint of speech controlled by a private institution).  Unlike a recent unconstitutional law, it doesn't require games to stick non-ESRB warnings on their boxes if they contain certain content (which would be compelled speech).  Since the law isn't butting heads with a major free speech issue, the "harmful to minors" purpose is less relevant.  I think this has a decent chance of withstanding judicial review.

 

Of course it doesn't matter all that much.  All it means is that retailers and movie theaters will stop advertising that they don't sell M-rated games / R-rated tickets to minors.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

"In this case, however, it looks like they're using the truth in advertising laws.  At its core, the law boils down to "If you say you always do X, and you're caught not doing X, you're going to get fined."  As such, I'm inclined to believe that this law will end up being constitutional.  Unlike an older proposed law, it doesn't require ESRB ratings on all games (which would be both compelled speech and also prior restraint of speech controlled by a private institution).  Unlike a recent unconstitutional law, it doesn't require games to stick non-ESRB warnings on their boxes if they contain certain content (which would be compelled speech)."

Have to disagree here. At its core, the bill is still based on restricting sales to minors based on an ESRB(or MPAA) rating that's based on certain content, even though it is reliant on a retailer "advertising" doing X in the first place. So I think that there's still a major free speech issue, and believe that the bill will be ruled unconstitutional on the First Amendment grounds of compelled speech.

Second, this bill still runs afoul of the Fourteenth Amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law, since it still doesn't apply to sales of music CD's with Parental Advisory stickers or books.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Are you sure it doesn't apply? What do those Parental Advisory stickers say if "labeled with an age restriction or recommendation" doesn't apply?

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

The PA stickers just say: "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics", though some might say "violent lyrics", although there's no age ratings on music. Usually when they card on music, it's set at 17 as well.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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But then the nature of the rating system is the reason, not the product being rated. The moment they rate books and musics based on the nature and start smacking age-recommendations on, it makes them liable. So it wouldn't count as singling out a specific type of media.

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Giving third party ratings legal binding violates Fifth Amendment (due process)

 

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

However the bill in question talks about companies saying they enforce these third party ratings yet not doing so. No legal binding to the ratings, only to the promise to do A yet not doing so.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Technically, it is still giving legal binding to the third-party ratings by basically forcing the retailers to enforce them under threat of penalty from " 'false' advertising".

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Let me ask you something. How liable is a company for an act committed by an employee that directly counteracts the rules they have to follow? If a company tells employees they will be fired if they sell without carding properly, is the company liable if the employees break these rules and the law?

Because right now the suggested law says they ARE.
(g)(i) A violation of Subsection (1)(u) occurs when the person or an employee of the person sells the good or service a second or subsequent time to any person subject to the age restriction or recommendation.
    (ii) Each violation by the person or the person's employee is considered a violation for determining if two or more violations have been committed.  

Would that mean that the moment ANY two employees of a shopping chain ANYWHERE in Utah sell a single game without carding, or a single employee sells two games, the company can be sued?

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That was just added to the bill yesterday before the hearing.

The wording indicates to me that it's either way.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Just like they say "we don't mean to target film tickets", while the language says they can. In other words, they intend to ONLY apply the law when video games are involved. So their INTENT is violation.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

What do you expect...Utah=Mormons

Their group's done enough damage with California's Prop 8 legislation

 

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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I think a more accurate descriptor would be "Utah = Christian Zealots"

One thing I always liked about Utah is how the state has been a treasure-trove of fossils and paleontological discovery.  I believe Dinosaur National Park is there as well...you know, those animals that the Zealots believe never existed (the earth is only 6000-ish years old).

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

You know, of all the Christians I know, not a single one believes the Earth is only 6000 years old and none believe that dinosaurs never existed.

What nut jobs do you know?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

George Bush

Jack Chick 

Jerry Falwell

Sarah Palin

okay so I don't technically know them but you get my point

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

The groups that believe such things tend to be pretty insular.  They tend to not make friends or assocations outside thier church so the exposure is kinda low.

But there are a LOT of them.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Ken Ham, Kent Hovind (aka Dr. Dino), and Adnan Oktar off the cuffs. All equally sleazy and intellectually dishonest.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

@EZK: Be for real. The influence of the Church of Latter Day Saints in Utah's politics can't be overstated. The Utah Legislature's just like a shadow Tabernacle.

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Never said the influence wasn't there. I merely said that claiming all people of a given religion etc fell the same way about this was pretty much sterotyping.

As for the Church's influence on politics, the only influence is that the majority of the population is LDS and would thus be inclined to vote along the lines of their belief. The Church itself does not influence any political decision. They only counsel their members to vote based on what the members think is right.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Bill Overwhelmingly Approved by Utah ...

Here's another way of looking at LDS influence in Utah politics. What percentage of the Utah Legislature is LDS? More than 75 percent, I'd bet. That's a super-majority. If they all -- or even most of them -- vote their religious beliefs --which I tend to think they do -- then LDS are, in effect, writing Utah's laws.

Or yet another way: Gayle Ruzicka is an LDS, is she not? With the apparent ability to singlehandedly ram-rod through the Utah Legislature any particular piece of legislation she wants to see passed. 

 
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