Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

February 26, 2009 -

A woman who identified herself as a lesbian in her Xbox Live profile has reportedly been banned from Microsoft's online gaming venue.

The woman, known only as "Teresa," told The Consumerist:

My [Xbox Live] account was suspended because I had said in my profile that I was a lesbian. I was harassed by several players, 'chased' to different maps/games to get away from their harassment. They followed me into the games and told all the other players to turn me in because they didn't want to see that crap or their kids to see that crap.

As if xbox live is really appropriate for kids anyways! My account was suspended and xbox live did nothing to solve this, but instead said others found it offensive...

Microsoft does nothing to stop this or prevent it, but instead sides with the homophobes...

Microsoft, which in September received a perfect score from gay equality group Human Rights Campaign, has struggled with the gay identity issue on Xbox Live.

Most notably, in 2008 XBL banned the gamertag "Richard Gaywood," even though it was the user's actual name.


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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I just want to note to people a few things. If you think a wide variety of users can't just report you for something cause they're pissed off, you should do a little research about Yahoo Answeres. It's one of the larger complaints is that if a large bunch of people are offended by something no matter what, and report you, instant account removal or whatever else.

Plus having played XBL I can attest it to being as bad as 4chan's /b/ sometimes. Sure you get lots of nice people. But you get a shitload of dicks who are hellbent on causing pain because it amuses them. The few times I've played on my brothers name I actually increased my vocabulary of swears and insults.

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This is confusing ... I mean, if the whole mindset is "don't ask, don't tell", why do they allow users to write down their sexual orientation in the first place? It's a waste of allocated yet largely unused system resources that could be put to better use elsewhere, from a purely technical standpoint.

Oh and ... this just in. http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-285784.aspx

EDIT: Stay Tuned, Everyone!!

http://www.gamersreports.com/news/10167/ms-apologizes-for-bans-of-gay-ga...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1605966/20090226/story.jhtml

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Microsoft provides xbox live as a gaming service, not a matchmaking service. Regardless of if she was straight, lesbian, asexual, pansexual, or any other form of sexual it does not belong on xbox live.

Dating services have to meet VERY harsh standards and are open to lawsuits by all sorts of trigger happy groups. It isn't a matter of 'gay' or 'lesbian' rights here, but a matter of appropriate places to express sexuality (Be it dating, etc).

Xbox live is not set up to be a matchmaking site, it is not meant to foster romantic relationships, and her being a lesbian has no place on xbox live.

Sometimes gay/lesbian/bisexual people-especially teens-run around advertising it to stir up controversy. Attention whoring knows no sexuality. The fact of the matter is she probably screamed it over voice chat first chance she got, or began describing lesbian sex over voicechat, and that pissed other gamers who didn't want anything to do with it off.

Tell me, if this was a PETA gamer saying their 'rights' had been infringed on and that they were just saying their legitimate belief was anyone that ate meat raped babies, would any of you have any sympathy for them?

 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Sometimes gay/lesbian/bisexual people-especially teens-run around advertising it to stir up controversy.

I'll agree with you there (keyword being 'sometimes'). after all, when was the last time someone advertised on LIVE that they were straight? answer: chances are there has yet to be a first time

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Or, it could be just as she describes it, and she's the real victim here.

I agree, sexuality has little to no place on XBox LIVE, but if you really wanna play Big Brother, here...

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Or it could be the former, what the other poster said. The point is, we don't know the whole story. If a PETA member came into a public chat and starting saying what they normally say, I'd probably blast their profile/stuff too!

Granted, this girl might not have said anything to provoke the incident, and I think what is on someone's profile should not be subject to any restrictions period. If you get offended, suck it up, because you don't have to look at it.

But, there is a chance that this girl came into a chat, some people saw she was a girl, tried flirting with her, and she might've came off as a big lesbo bitch, yada yada. We just don't know the whole story.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

"Struggles" is the key word in this article.  Microsoft is doing its best, but its system of regulation is inherently flawed in that it relies heavily on the input of its users.  Microsoft doesn't have the time/resources to look at every individual case report, so they rely more on the reports of other players.  An overwhelming amount of people that report negatively about one gamer most likely will lead to that gamer getting banned, regardless of if they are at fault or not.

This time, it happened to be because someone said they were a lesbian on their bio.  This isn't a case of sexism/racism, so much as it is a case about Microsoft's flawed regulatory system.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

 Would Microsoft ban somebody who said "I'm straight" in their profile? Clearly they need to remedy this.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

more importantly, has it come up?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

By the way there is another story about this at:

 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/89739-UPDATE-Microsoft-Disallo...

 

It includes a response from a Microsoft rep.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Ain't it amusing how they talk about it being against the rules, yet don't mention the extreme harassment involved?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

 Including the MS response, I can understand they're stand on this, but also the frustrations of the user.

If MS does enforses no sexual preferences of any kind, gay or straight, in the tags,  then thats fine. I can see why MS doesn't want to open this can of worms, as we know, anyway you look at this, immaturity and stupidity of the internet users will just abuse of it.  then MS will have to investigate every tag to see if your use of the words are legitimate, or an abusive joke.

And i don't think the sexual orientation as anything to do in a gamer tag... straight or gay...

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Are we sure the account hasn't just been shutdown due to community complaints?  Don't you get banned if you recieve enough complaints?

This sucks, but if she was being harassed so endlessly, she should have just removed it from her profile.  It's easy enough to do.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming her for this, but she could have easily avoided it.  I get crap from rednecks about my name, calling me chink and jap, saying they're going to bomb Hiroshima again, and generally being an ass to me.  People on Xbox LIVE are assholes and they look for anything different about you, using your name and profile for clues as to what to say, to try and get under your skin (especially when you are kicking their ass).  Fortunately it doesn't happen enough for me to change it, but if it did I would just change it to "Joe American" or something and be done.  Of course, then the Brits would make fun of me...

Didn't someone write an article recently about how LIVE is seen as a place where there are no social repercussions and so they drop all courtesy and get as racist and homophobic as they want to be?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

What people also don't realize is that a Gamertag is alot like an IM name, in that the person on the other end of the ethernet cable may not be the person that created the account.  Which is why I give my roommates a hard time when they play Halo 3 on my account and talk trash to the French, etc.  ^^;

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

That's basically the entire net.

Common courtesy falls when you can't get punched in the face.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I read about this yesterday when it got posted on the shoutbox. This is disgusting, but i'm not suprised due to the level of macho-tard on X-box live. Its even worse when a guy whoes real name is  "Gaywood" is considered to be offensive to the ultra-macho jock class of XBL.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

They followed me into the games and told all the other players to turn me in because they didn't want to see that crap or their kids to see that crap.
As if xbox live is really appropriate for kids anyways!

I agree. and surprisingly, so does Microsoft, at least according to their Terms of Use: (underlined for emphasis) 

If you allow or enable a minor to use your Service account or an associated account, then:

  • You represent that you are the parent or legal guardian of each such minor;
  • You acknowledge that you are aware that some features of the Service, and some content available through the Service may contain or expose users to material that is unsuitable for minors, and you agree to supervise usage by minors whom you permit to use the Service . The Service is not intended for use by children under 13 , except together with a parent or other adult supervision

additional: Two items in the LIVE Code of Conduct are:

  • Don't harass, abuse, or spam other players.
  • Don't scream, yell, threaten, or stalk other players.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

You're making a really good case against MS here. But they also have this:

  • Don't create a gamertag or motto that other users may be offended by, this includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.
  • Don't create a gamertag or motto that references controversial religious topics, notorious people, organizations, or sensitive current or historical events that may also be considered inappropriate.

So basically, both parties are at fault here.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Yet only the profile-violation was punished, the extreme harassment wasn't. Hardly sounds fair to me.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Exactly. This woman's account has presumably been banned over a single mention of the word "lesbian", while those who harassed her and those who routinely behave in an antisocial manner continue to play on Xbox Live without consequence.

Any word on whether Microsoft will allow her to create a new account or restore her existing one after removing the word "lesbian" from her profile? Does she get a second chance at all?

This sort of nonsense in terms of service enforcement is the reason I don't like centralized online services for consoles.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

 People being assholes on Xbox Live? Seriously??????

</sarcasm>

 

Honestly a large part of me says what makes you think that if you put lesbian in your profile people won't freak out on you. I mean this is Xbox Live where calling people the N word is means of some peoples entertainment. I've never heard of someone stalking the person into multiple rooms though.Oh yea back to what I was saying that's what the large part of me thinks but then I think who the hell does that sort of thing(constant harassment to the point of filing complaints to boot someone off XBL). It's just such a trivial thing. She should have wrote down the names of the people who did it and then put out on the internet. I'm sure karma would return them a favor.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

"She should have wrote down the names of the people who did it and then put out on the internet. I'm sure karma would return them a favor."

Ten bucks says they've already put her on Encyclopedia Dramatica. If so, her doing that would only get her raided.

Speaking of which, Captain Falcon is still demanding an explanation for what they did to Trisha Aurora. I guess Raptor Jesus is still pissed, since I still hear the words "pointless shit" in my sleep.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

-does not know what Encyclopedia Dramatica is, but applauds the logic-

[Applause]

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Why bring up your sexual orientation in a game anyway?  What's the point?  When I was a boy, your sexual orientation and sexual habits were between you and your partner.  It's not something that needs to be shouted out to other people.  All it does is bring attention to you, which I can't help but think is what she wanted. 

I've played games on Live.  I'm pretty sure you can't follow people between games if they are not your friend.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Because being gay or bisexual has a large impact on your life so when describing oneself, a lot of homosexuals will make mention of their sexual orientation.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

This.

I said in an earlier post that being Gay/Bi is part of who they are. It is a unique feature of a person, since not everybody is gay, and sometimes, they feel that it is of enough interest to mention when describing themselves. They aren't out there just throwing it in peoples faces, like so many Homophobes seem to think.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Isn't it amazing how a player can be banned for saying she's a Lesbian when so many other players can get away with calling each other "fags"? Apparently, only disparaging references to homosexuality are permitted on Xbox Live.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Well, the difference is they monitor what's typed, not said.  She put it in her profile.  They don't have the manpower to monitor everything said in every game in every match, just what people put in to text.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I still think this is bullshit. (Responded to this when Geoff mentioned it on ShoutBox)

[example]

If people are complaining b/c Sid either implied or directly stated that he was homosexual, the people complaining should be banned for bigotry.

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Sorry, but that's my view.

EDIT: Turns out there's a member here known as Bill, so I changed the name.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I feel like we're missing something in this story. This doesn't seem like the normal level of hatred on an Xbox Live game.  And moreover, who has actually taken the time to look at someone's profile in-game?  A lot of things here seem strange, and I think she may have provoked this in a way she's not letting on.  Maybe she came on the server and started ranting or blaring annoying music.  Maybe she teamkilled repeatedly.  Maybe she decided to lecture on gay rights because someone called someone else a faggot, I've actually had someone do that in a game I was in before.  Whatever it is, people don't just spend time following someone from server to server without a real reason, not just because she says she's a lesbian on her profile.

I smell a half-truth here gentlemen.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I smell someone who's pushing an agenda, I doubt there's anything more goingon. Perhaps you have something to say for yourself? Something along the lines of "Woops"?

Believe me when I say this, people are enough assholes to go through with this.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I agree with Austin, I just dont think the whole truth is known.  All we have heard has been this female's side of things.  The "facts" lack consistancy and other "facts" are missing.  She of course is going to claim that she is blameless and the wronged party but one cannot help but wonder if there is not more that is yet unknown. 

We (myself included) made this into a social, political, religious and sexual orientation issue when it is really about a handfull of people with their personal slant on the truth and what passes for customer service at XBL. 

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Yes, I too agree with Austin. *throws up in mouth*

God that was hard to do! But even if she did give some indication that she was gay other than her profile, I think that's still OK. This situation reminds me how we handle gays in the military, not as bad though. I wish MS would handle it how Belgium handles gays in their military. They allow them to be openly gay, and then kick out any bigots that complain.

Edit: Also, I think they prefer the term "little people". Not "this female's".

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I disagree.  In all my years of playing Xbox Live games, I've NEVER heard of something like this happening that was unprovoked.  NOW, I'm not saying that this response was reasonable, and I don't think that Microsoft handled it too well, but I stand by my belief that we're only getting one part of the story, and I'd like to get the rest before we take her side.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Well here's the official statement from Microsoft regarding the matter, taken from Joystiq.  I'll place the important part in regards to the article in bold for all of ya.

As stated in the Xbox Live Terms of Use, a member may not create a gamertag or use text in other profile fields that include comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate content of a potentially sexual nature. Profiles that do are asked to change the language and suspended until changes are made. In regards to sexual orientation, for gamertags or profiles we do not allow expression of any type of orientation, be that hetero or other. Players can, however, self identify in voice communication where context is more easily explained to all players involved.

"Harassment of any kind is not condoned and is taken very seriously; we strongly encourage Xbox Live members to immediately report inappropriate behavior through the compliant tools in the service so that it can be investigated and the appropriate action taken."

"The Xbox Live community grows daily, and we continue to explore methods and levels of enforcement to enhance the ways our members connect and have fun, while adhering to a code of conduct that encourages respect and keeps the service safe and fun for all our members.

So apparently it's against the Terms of Use.  Not sure whether or not they provided a warning first.

However I still wonder if someone who put "I'm straight" in their profile would get the ban hammer.  MS says they would but for some reason I doubt people would so much as bat an eye at that as opposed to putting "I'm gay" in the profile.

Also brings up the interesting question of what if the sexual preference is implied but not stated out-right.  For example a guy puts in his profile something along the lines of "I live with my girlfriend..."  Now another guy puts in his profile "I live with my boyfriend..."  Both of these could be considered expressions of sexual orientation, the big difference being the former is socially accepted while the latter is far less so.  Since these aren't as blatant expressions as saying "I'm a lesbian." would they still be considered violations of the Terms of Use?  If they were would both accounts be banned?  I'd put money that the gay one would but the straight one wouldn't.  This could be taken even further.  One guy has in his profile "I have a wife and two kids..."  Second guy has "I have a life-partner and an adopted son..."  Again these could also be considered expressions of sexual preference and again I'd bet the former would get a pass while the latter would be banned.

These are all theoretical mind you but it does bring out the glaring flaws within the policy.  The other major flaw I find with it is that Microsoft depends on user complaints to track down accounts that violate the Terms of Use.  As a result the overall bigotry of the online community reigns supreme.  Since hetero relationships are much more socially acceptable the community isn't going to bother reporting them.  However sine homo relationships aren't they'll get a disproportion amount of complaints and will be subject to more bans/suspensions and all because some community members don't approve.

Really I find that part of the Terms of Use silly and think it should just be dropped.  The homosexual community could possibly fight back or bring attention to the flaws in the situation by finding profiles where the owner is obviously stating his heterosexuality in their profile and reporting it as offensive and see what MS does. 

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I'd find it quite humorous to have a homosexual gamer report the account of a heterosexual gamer because he/she put in his/her bio, "I live with my [opposite-gender partner]."

That would make my day.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Well I have, multiple times. I've gone through the exact same thing she has, and it was unprovoked. Except I reported them before they had the chance. Remember who we are dealing with, idiotic frat boys who lose their shit with anything. Provoked or unprovoked.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Do you regularly act like a dick on XboxLive?  I'm almost certain that if she left the round, they wouldn't follow her time and again for nothing.  Now, maybe some individual would, but not a group, and even then, that's still rare.

Like I said, we're only getting half a story.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I have a feeling you are underestimating the hate displayed towards the gay community not only online, but everywhere. Not to mention, given what I know of you based on your posts on political issues and your attempt to turn a victim of outright biggotry into some shady, manipulative, liar, I would even go so far as to suggest that you may have some suppressed (Or not so much) biggotry, yourself.

Even if she was very forward, at some point during her gaming, and said "I'm a Lesbian!" doesn't mean she did anything wrong at all.

Think of it this way: Some of the people online have indications that they are in the Military on thier account/biography. They are just providing information about themselves to the community. It is part of who they are. Should they be ridiculed and targeted because they gave that information? The answer is NO.

How is this any different than someone who is gay/bi saying on thier Bio that they are? It is just part of who they are, and they should not be subjected to any more abuse than anyone else in the world.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

My question is this; if it really is because she said she was a lesbian in her profile, what led people to care enough to read her profile?  I play with at least 120 people a day.  I don't read their profiles.  I don't give a fuck. No one gives a fuck.  Occasionally, I find someone on Left 4 Dead who was fun to play alongside, and send them a friend request.  Other than that?  NO one ever looks at peoples profiles without a reason.  So, if in fact they did harass her solely because she said she was a lesbian on her profile, what lead to that interest?  What did SHE do to single herself out before people even READ her profile? 

So what did she do to garnish that interest?  What did she do that made people so angry that they followed her from room to room, and drove six to eight people MINIMUM to report her on XBL?  Did she act like an asshole on XBL?  Was she cheating, glitching, just being an overall douche?  What did SHE do first, that's what I'd like to know.

Oh, by the way, I appreciate the whole 'suppressed biggotry' comment.  Of course, if someone is Republican and not politically correct, they must be a bigot.  Never mind the fact that, in this case, we really do have less than HALF the fucking story, and a very unconvincing half indeed. Nevermind that one of my friends had her marriage annulled by Prop 8.  Never mind that I'm actually pro gay marriage (at least legally, the government has no right to force a church to do a damn thing).  No, because I'm not willing to jump on the bandwagon of an unconvincing story, I'm obviously a bigot.

I suggest you learn to look for more evidence before you make a judgment.

*EDIT*
 

Question: Why is it that when I suggest that we need more information and may have jumped the gun on this judgment I'm a bigot, but Icehawk doesn't get insulted at all?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I'm going to agree somewhat with

B)Some guy and his team of friends couldn't handle getting their ass beat on Live by a girl who smack talks. They also happen to be homophobes.

Austin, you say we should find out the whole story before we make up our minds.  Why then, does it seems like you've already made up yours?  I don't think it is entirely inappropriate to fault Microsoft with a miscarriage of banhammering. It would be easy to check up on to see if anyone besides the one guy and his friends were complaint-bombed her account, which I would doubt.

Then again, that is my assumption. I don't know what really went down, but I'm loathe to blame the victim here.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

A) This hinges on him being able to get 6 to 8 creepy friends to report her.  Hell, on any given night I have about 40 friends playing left 4 dead, and I can't even make a party for Versus in less than an hour, so I somehow doubt this occurred.

B) This could well be, but if she was being an asshole or glitching than yes, she brought it on herself.  Sure, you can be a douche all you want, but you shouldn't be surprised when you get called on it.  Just like that guy who decided he would keep knocking my beers over last weekend in the bar shouldn't have been surprised when I pushed his drunk ass down and had him thrown out (moral of the story?  Never fuck with the regulars; if I spend 100 dollars a week at a bar and you're new to it, you're the one who's goin out on your ass). 

I haven't already made up my mind, but I'm not quite willing to buy into this.  I'll accept that she was suspended as a fact, otherwise this whole thing is a non-issue,  but what remains suspect is what occurred leading to this.  For some reason, my cousin (mentioned a post above you) has 'gay and proud' as his tagline, but never gets fucked with like this, so I'm loathe to simply believe that the story is 100% true.

 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Your cousin is a male.  If you are suggesting girls don't get constantly harrassed on Xbox Live, you must only be playing with your friends, or are ignoring it when it happens. I coud easily see some guy hearing a female voice and then instantly checking out her profile for whatever reason, and if he was a jerk then the scene in my A) story happening. 

I've ran across a couple bitches on Xbox Live, but they are rarer than even running across a female at all.  I'd chalk that up to the fact that if they speak up whatsoever they get verbally pummeled like this poor woman did. I've seen it happen MULTIPLE times.  All it would take would be a clan of like minded assholes to do this.  It's not hard to imagine, even if your friends aren't a hivemind.  I'm not an internet whiteknight, I just recognize reality.

Surely, you have to know what I'm talking about, Lewis.

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To answer your question: Honestly? You are the one who brought up the thought that the Lesbian was at fault for her own abuse. Your post was the first one I read that had undercurrents of biggotry. It was your posts, that when I first read and re-read them, I sensed a second meaning, between the lines.

I didn't go after IceHawk because as much as I'd like to go through each post that I disagree with and respond with "Biggot", "Asshole", "Unintelligent", I'd imagine that would make my ability to post my opinion on this respectable site very, very short.

Also, to defuse your argument:

It doesn't take ANYTHING to make anyone read your profile. Hell, when I am sitting in lobbies, waiting for a game to start, I sometimes just start opening random profiles and read what they have written. Sometimes, you find some interesting things. Who the hell knows why I do it, but I can't be the only one who does.

That being said, if it wasn't something random, maybe it was something in her name, maybe it was the fact that she may have said she was a lesbian in passing, maybe she really was being a bitch to someone. Does that make it right that A: She was harassed mercilessly by some punk-ass who decided that she was the scum of the earth for being attracted to women? and B: to get banned from Xbox Live because she said something completely non-offensive about herself in her profile?

Regardless of any argument you may come up with or whatever method you may try to turn her into the person at fault, she should never have been harassed or banned from XBL in the first place, and if you disagree with that, you are essentially saying it is ok to discriminate against and harass someone based on thier sexuality, especially if they did something to piss you off first.

 

Edited for clarity.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I suggested she provoked it, not necessarily by being a lesbian.  However, consider this; what drives someone to care enough to look into someone's XBL profile mid-game?  As for you randomly reading people's profiles, of all the people I know who play XBL, you're the only one I've heard of who does that thus far.  Hell, I read two or four pages of a book in that 40 second wait between levels in COD, not people's profiles.  I couldn't care less what idiotic thing people put on their profiles.  

My point here is that she is acting like she was just innocently playing a game, someone read her profile, singled her out as a lesbian, and then tormented her through various different servers while getting people to report her until her profile was suspended. Why, out of the MINIMUM of 4 people playing any online game at once (Left 4 Dead or COD Co-op) did someone single HER out.  I suspect that she did something to single herself out, and I doubt very much that 'something' was her profile.  I want to know what SHE did that started this whole thing.  I've played rounds with people I know to openly be homosexual; hell, I even had a discussion with my cousin about his boyfriend mid-game, and the only thing anyone said (and it sounded like a 10 year old) was 'y'all niggas is gay'.  My problem here is that she may be simply trying to garner support by pretending that she was suspended due to her being a lesbian, not her being an asshole.

Now, best [worst?] case scenario, it takes 6 to 8 people to report you to get your profile suspended (and that assumes they're reporting you for cheating of some sort).  Do you know how hard it is to get someone suspended even in a game of 20 people where EVERYONE can see them cheating?  Out of 20 people, we managed to get the player in question reported 4 times.  The guy who started the reporting was part of a clan of 7, and even they didn't all report him.  So you'll forgive me for being skeptical that 6 to 8 people cared enough that she was gay to A) read her profile and B) report her, and maybe even C) follow her around and harass her.  Now, they may have done ALL 3 because she was being a complete bitch, cheating, or just non-stop teamkilling, but I doubt that all 6 to 8 people did so simply because she was a lesbian.  Sure, XBL isn't a haven of acceptance, but I highly doubt this story is 100% true.

So if she was, in fact, being an asshole, yes she should have been harassed and yes she should have been suspended. Do I think she should be suspended just because she's a lesbian?  No, but I doubt that's what this is about.

  

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

But you assume all of this based on something you have NO PROOF for, the idea that she provoked it. Which just makes your entire argument null and void, because you have no proof and the fact is that Xbox Live subscribers are infamous for being dicks.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

You also have NO PROOF that she DIDN'T provoke it.  My point is that we're only getting a very small part of the story.  Sure, XBL subscribers are dicks; but if they're as bad as you think, surely this would have happened before now.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Dude, people have been killed just for being gay it's really not that much of a stretch that one would be harrassed for it.  He could have looked at her profile for many reasons she could have been doing really well, or as someone said above he could have been bored, or she could have sent him a friend request and he was checking her profile, or hell he could have looked at her profile intending to send her a friend request.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Well that's just not fair! Matthew Shephard was just an asshat who was totally asking for it!

/sarcasm

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I still love the fact that you STILL seem to be convinced that she got what was coming to her..

Not to mention all of your "She probably was a total Bitch" style arguments are total speculation.

Just because you don't see crap like that happening every day, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Also, if you can't see it, you MUST be either completely ignorant that it is happening or even complacent to let it happen. (Your "She got what was coming to her" argument)

I cant tell you How many times I hear the "Fag" or "Nigger" when playing on XBL, so behavior of that sort doesn't surprise me at all, especially if the people who harrassed her all knew each other and decided as a group to pursue her.

The more you speak, regardless of your "My cousin is gay" defense, the more I see blatant biggotry. You know, Dick Cheney's Daughter is a Lesbian, and he is just as homophobic as any other bigot, so why not just change your argument from "She got what was coming to her" to "She was a Lesbian, so she got what was coming to her," because thats pretty much what you are saying.

 
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