Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

February 26, 2009 -

A woman who identified herself as a lesbian in her Xbox Live profile has reportedly been banned from Microsoft's online gaming venue.

The woman, known only as "Teresa," told The Consumerist:

My [Xbox Live] account was suspended because I had said in my profile that I was a lesbian. I was harassed by several players, 'chased' to different maps/games to get away from their harassment. They followed me into the games and told all the other players to turn me in because they didn't want to see that crap or their kids to see that crap.

As if xbox live is really appropriate for kids anyways! My account was suspended and xbox live did nothing to solve this, but instead said others found it offensive...

Microsoft does nothing to stop this or prevent it, but instead sides with the homophobes...

Microsoft, which in September received a perfect score from gay equality group Human Rights Campaign, has struggled with the gay identity issue on Xbox Live.

Most notably, in 2008 XBL banned the gamertag "Richard Gaywood," even though it was the user's actual name.


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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

He already answered your question: boredom, and waiting in lobbies can cause people to go through profiles.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Its social and religious.  It has been claimed (false) it is not "natural" and hense flies in the face of correct thinking. 

Yet people throughout history like the ancient Greeks accepted and all but encouraged such (well you dont hear about lesbians in ancient greek society so am uncertain on that pont) and were a fierce and proud people, explorers, builders and warriors.   They had gays in Germany during WW2 those that would not be "cured" were driven into camps and often treated worse than the jews (who were treated horribly).  In our more modern "enlightened" society when a thing is considered wrong it is often refered to as being "gay".

The only "problem" far as I can tell not being gay/bi myself is that such cannot reproduce.  Personally I say ignore them.  Allow them to fade into the masses like the rest and not be treated differently in any way. 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Being unable to reproduce is not a big problem anyways, because there are too many orphaned and untaken care of kids out there. I would rather have my country have a numerous quantity of well taken care of and well educated children, than a few quality children among many children with poor education and poor childcare.

Quantity vs Quality.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Being unable to reproduce is even false.

For both adoption is always an option.

For lesbian couples there are sperm donor programs.

For gay couples they can ask a willing person to act as a surrogate to carry their child.

 

Really, homophobes lose on all accounts.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I'm going to have to disagree.

Techincally, adoption isn't a form of reproduction; you're picking up the child of some other (probably irresponsible) parents.  Also, there's an astounding amount of crack babies in orphanages.  Go figure.

Once again, the Lesbian couple isn't actually reproducing within the family; they're taking sperm from an outside source.

As for the surrogate, that's actually even mentioned in the Bible, when it was suggested that someone have a child with someone other than their wife because they couldn't conceive.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

"I was harassed by several players, 'chased' to different maps/games to get away from their harassment. They followed me into the games and told all the other players to turn me in because they didn't want to see that crap or their kids to see that crap."
 

That's because XBL = the most vile collection of adolescent rednecks ever. It's unbelievable how shitty the "people" who play XBL are- racist, homophobic, crybabies (stop dropping SF matches).

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Replace "XBL" with "online".  This shit has been going on since the days of online deathmatches in Doom.  The shit I've read/heard playing practically anything over the internet makes me lose my faith in humanity.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

It's not just Xbox Live that has people like that.  I have to block all chat when playing Team Fortress 2 on Steam because of the stuff people scream at eachother on there.  Same went for Sony's "Home" for the PS3.  I have to play that without the kids in the room because within the first 30 mins of trying it when the Beta opened and voice chat was still allowed, I had to spend the rest of the night explaining to my kids what a few choice words and phrases meant because I couldn't change the audio settings while playing a game of pool and had to hear, outloud in my house, the jacka$$ screaming profanities and trying to make a fake representation of a woman do sexual favors. Even after they turned off chat I had to stop because my oldest is just now reading and was picking up the chat box in the corner the other night while I was playing an arcade game.  Same issue.  And yes....Xbox Live is no better...just no worse either for what people say. 

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Panama City, Fl.

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that's what I don't like

 

I had a similar occurence in Home.  Some dude was shooting off racist stereotype like black people are that and Asian people have that.  Geez, what happen to good sportmanship???  You're playing game online to have fun and develop a social life, not insulting and bashing one another.  This is how not how a true gamer would do when you're playing online.

 

Zen, I feel sorry that your kid have to see and hear those bad language.  This is something that is a issue to me, bad sportmanships on online gaming and services (Home, Xbox Live, PSN).  People would tell me just mute the headphone.  That's not going to work, you need it on to like strategize and tell your teamate to do something like stack up at the door and breach and clear.   

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

This is what makes games like Tiger Woods so surreal. People playing online aren't just civil, they're downright friendly. I've had conversations while playing a round.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

So many problems with this.

Sure she didn't have to put that information in, but that is in no way a valid excuse to ban her.  Likewise I have a major issue with this sort of "tyranny of the majority" aspect that plays in.  So what if a lot of people found it offensive?  Should a Christian be banned if a bunch of atheists "dont want their children seeing that crap" or vice versa?  What about a Muslim gamer?

It's such a blatant double-standard.  If I put on my profile "I'm straight" do you think I'd get banned as a result?  I highly doubt it. 

Apparently when MS was pushing the social networking aspect of the profiles in Xbox LIVE, it didn't include lifestyles that aren't socially popular.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I still don't understand why the very EXISTIENCE of gays somehow is offensive to people. 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Because hate is an inescapable element of the human condition and as humans we must find something, or someone, or some group to hate.  It is unavoidable, we all hate and for many of us there is no good justifiable reason for that hate and all we can do is try to educate the next generation so that the hate will eventually die out.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

It comes down to parents not wanting their children exposed to homosexuals too early.

Many parents work hard to make sure thier children see gays as immoral or dangerous, painting them as bad people who should be avoided.  If thier kids then encounter openly gay people on-line who are actually good people it undermines the parent's efforts and, in their worst case, if the kid IS gay it will encourage them to start exploring their feelings rather then sitting in a frightened huddled ball worrying that they are a monster.

A shortened version.. many parents do not want their kids to see gays as actual people, but as an abstract and easily demonized 'other' group.  At least until the kids are old enough to make the programming difficiult to break.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Hopefully things will change...someday.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Oh they are.  Just look at how people, say, 50 and younger react as opposed to 50 and older.

The Prop 8 demographics really showed this divide.  People over a certain age tended to be fore the ammendment, people under a certain age tended to vote against it.  If you cut out the 50 and older crowd it was firmly rejected.

It's a slow process and the country is still adjusting to the OTHER big changes (blacks are equal, women voting, interracial marriage, etc) but still moving in a positive dirrection.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Yeah, that's true. At least stuff is, y'know, happening.

After that, just got to focus on religious tolerance *is a pagan*

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

lol, I sometimes find myself thinking that gay rights is the last big civil rights issue, but then I remember that atheists are considered to be the least trustworthy group in the country.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Oh, there are plenty of other rights groups out there, some of which the gay leadership is currently turning on in order to make themselves look more moderate.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Yeah but Atheists aren't missing some rights that the religious hold so it really is more a matter of public acceptance than civil rights

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I know, it makes me so happy! No matter how much they oppose us, they will lose in the end, because they are going to die long before we do!

Oh, and I don't agree with your last sentence. It should read "the South is still adjusting".

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Though there is always the possiblity of backlash.   For instance I've been seeing a new wave of anti-women's-lib over the last few years so short term things can really go backwards.

I'm not sure how much I would blame 'the south' in this case.  The mid-west can be pretty bad for gays too, as well as the west, and east, etc.   The south does have a high percentage of baptists which are currently a problem but they are far from the only group.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Yeah, now that I think of it, the mid-west and south share a lot of similarities. I haven't really lived in the mid-west since I was 8, but even then I though they were pretty socially backwards.

And yeah, things can always get a hell of a lot worse really quick, but the general trend since the dark ages has been a move towards more progressive thinking.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

AHEM! Southerner here! That kinda paints with the same kinda brush as "gays/pagans/whatever are EVIL!" Line there Gama.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Southerner here too. Well, not really anymore. I live in northern MD now, but I used to live in Oklahoma. I'm not going to pretend that the North and South are equal in terms of gay/lesbian acceptance. And if you aren't one of those stupid rednecks, then you should know that that statement doesn't apply to you.

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Well duh, it's the whole homosexual agenda.  They want to turn your kids gay, burn down all the churches, and make all the God-fearing Christians abort their babies.

Or some such nonsense.

I've tried to find logic in anti-gay arguments.  Have yet to find any.  It's either due to extreme religious belief or because it's "icky".

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Because some people are scared at how pretty they are and get all confused?

Really I have no idea, makes no sense when there's so many legitimiate reasons in the world to hate someone, like they enjoy stabbing people or killing puppies, hating someone because of who they love, how they look or what they believe just seems dumb.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Many reasons. But I'll give two. One being that it offends their religion or beliefs and second being that they are assholes.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

The ironic part is that the Abrahamic Bible never outright forbids homosexuality or even really says anything about it [http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm] (which I might add is a site on the religious moderate right), so most of the people attacking homosexuality on religious grounds on XBL are being uneducated about their own religion.  The rest are just ignorant pricks in general or actually justified on religious grounds (as far as justification for bigotry goes).

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Agreed.

YOu should be able to put whatever information you wish on your profile. No one is forcing anyone to look at it.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I agree with both of your statements. Its not like she was forcing people to become gay/lesbians by putting that in her profile. Thats why I rarely say anything on in an online game with strangers: not that I'm a homosexual, but because the majority (IMO) of people on XBL are ignorant assholes who love nothing more than finding the even slightest flaw/difference in my voice/profile/whatever and absolutely destroying you because of it, while gaining supporters for them in the process.

For example, the other day I was playing Big Team Slayer on Halo 3, and when I answered someones question (where do the rockets spawn?), some jerkwad on the other team noticed I have a somewhat noticable Long Island accent and made it his mission to find and kill me the entire game, while throwing horrible insults at me in the process (ex. "Hey why arent you on your f**king yaht, or in your boathouse jacuzi, you goddamn rich f**kface?!"), because apparently everyone from Long Island is automatically rich.

 

But where were the people who didnt agree with the harassers? Why didnt they say anything to at least try to stop them?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

That's the problem with the complaints system.  You get complaints about a user but there's no way to counter said complaints.

 

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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I know, that why I think someone or a group of people from MS should interview the person who was reported to atleast give their side of the story. It may not be 100% effective, but it would atleast be a start.

The only times I submit complaints are when I get constantly team-killed, or I hear a person/multiple people shout racist/sexist things to others...so almost after everygame or two

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Grrrrr more reason for me not to get an X-Box 360.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Here's a funny thought.  I've heard the phrase "X-Box" used as both the description for a system as well as a horrible reference to a woman's lower regions. (I don't use this term myself..but I'm trying to make a point here.) Since they can ban the word "gay" because of it's reference to homosexual people, regardless of it's original meaning of being "happy"...shouldn't they also air on the side of over-reacting caution and ban any reference to THEMSELVES?  Just curious.

Zen a.k.a. Jeremy Powers
Panama City, Fl.

Zen aka Jeremy Powers
Editor and Host of the Zenspath Podcast (now on iTunes)
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XBL: "PsychoticZen" PSN: "Zenspath"
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Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

YOu can still get one, and, I dunnom off the top of my hea,d NOT play online.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Though this sucks, there's more going on. First, she didn't need to put that information in her description. But banning her for that is still wrong. Second, the asshole users who stalked her and spread total bigotry. Third, the actual response by the representative of Microsoft. I don't buy it.

"Yes 'TheStraighterGamer' or 'TheHeterosexualgamer' would have gotten the same treatment and would have been found to be in violation and forced to be changed,"

But it's nice to know that bigotry against gays is the last acceptable form of bigotry in this country.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

 She most likely was hoping that having "totally not interested in guys" in the profile would stop at least a few of the stalkers all girl gamers pick up in games with vox chat.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Fear not, bigotry against religion is becoming more popular so...  bigotry against gays will soon have company. 

"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures....  and the Dutch. "
 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

There's no problem with being "bigoted" against someone who chooses to to be superstitious and ignore all evidence that what they believe is a delusion. That's willful ignorance and should be ridiculed. Sane people shouldn't sit by and let insane people try to drag us back to the stone age without raising opposition. It's the "reality based community" of people, those that don't have imaginary magical friends, that are still bashed with wild abandon on the TV news and polled as the least likely to ever be voted into office.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

  I see.  So bigotry and being a bigot is acceptable if you don't believe the same thing as those you are bigoted against. That's fucking brilliant.  Everyone meet KaylaKaze the Happy Bigot. You do know there are gays & lesbians who are religious right?

  
  Willful ignorance.  There is no such thing.  Being ignorant means to be without knowledge.  Once someone is informed they are no longer ignorant, regardless if they believe that in which they were informed of...  Shithead (Definition: one whose head is full of shit).


Try a little exercise.  From your words I'd say you don't believe in any god.  Now just for 24 hours believe in god (Doesn't matter which one... any one will do).  Now I don't mean pretend to believe in a god, I mean really make yourself really truly believe in a god.  You can't can you?  Because you simply don't believe.  People don't choose what they believe, they either do or they don't.  For that you think they should be made fun of?


  BTW, you can try this experiment with other shit too.  What's really going to blow your mind is when you find out that grass is really blue.  That's right someone handed you a crayon and told you that shit was green and sure enough the wrapper said green and you fell for it.  Dumbass.

 

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I'm sorry, but how could someone, who isn't on your friends list chase you from game to game?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Some people are vindictive enough to memorize or write down usernames of peopel they don't like and tend to harass them to the breaking point.

It's happened to me.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

You didn't answer my question. How does someone who isn't on your friends list follow your from game to game?

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Read Zen's reply.

Peopel get added to a "recently played agaisnt" list.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Which I've never seen give me the option to follow someone. Anytime I wanted to follow someone I've had to get them to accept a friends request.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

You can see what a person is playing on the list or, once you have that persons name, can look it up online.  There is also an option for some games, as long as it's a public match (sometimes ranked can as well), that you can select to join into a persons game.

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Panama City, Fl.

Zen aka Jeremy Powers
Editor and Host of the Zenspath Podcast (now on iTunes)
www.ZensPath.com
XBL: "PsychoticZen" PSN: "Zenspath"
Nintendo Network: "Psychoticzen", 3DS: "0860-3238-7260

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

 I know how she feels. I've been harassed and banned from chat rooms for my stand on this issue, to the point I'm afraid to post. I may not be gay, but I do know what it's like to be an outcast. 

"Teresa," I feel your pain.

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

Plus once you play with a person online, they are kept for awhile on a "recently played" list on the system. 

But in regards to this issue, I think the way this is being handled by Microsoft is pretty sad.  They can't stop the people that use "gay" as a way to offend or "down" other people, but they freely slap down people that have it as pat of their name or just as who they are.  Is it really fair that she, or others, be banned because they talk about themselves as they want on their profiles - where they tell you to talk about yourself - but if I put that I was a heterosexual or just "straight"...I'm sure it woul be just fine.  Bigots of any type be it for race, sex, or whatever else is just killing online gaming.  So while I love my 360 for it's ability for me and my friends to play and interact easily, this is why I don't play with random people if I can help it..and usually just turn chat off.

Zen a.k.a. Jeremy Powers
Panama City, Fl.

Zen aka Jeremy Powers
Editor and Host of the Zenspath Podcast (now on iTunes)
www.ZensPath.com
XBL: "PsychoticZen" PSN: "Zenspath"
Nintendo Network: "Psychoticzen", 3DS: "0860-3238-7260

Re: Report: Lesbian Finds Herself Banned From Xbox Live

I'm going to venture a guess that the real intention of that list is in case you forgot to friend someone you liked playing with, not for assholes to be like "Hey, that guy beat me once, I'll harass him until he stops playin"

 
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