Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

February 28, 2009 -

Conservative Newt Gingrich is back, and he's exploiting the Nintendo Wii for political gain.

By way of backstory, there is a pro-union bill, the Employee Free Choice Act, currently before the Congress. The Huffington Post reports that Gingrich views the legislation as "a mortal threat to American freedom."

(GP: Because, you know, rich guys and corporations should have all the power in our society.)

Speaking this week at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington D.C., Gingrich reminded attendees that they could register to win a free Wii by signing up for American Solutions, Gingrich's new media campaign.

The Huff Post has a comment on the Wii giveaway from an unnamed union official:

Is this part of [new RNC chairman] Michael Steele's hip-hop revolution? Or is being against working families so lame that they have to bribe kids with a Wii to do it?


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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

(GP: Because, you know, rich guys and corporations should have all the power in our society.)

 

So we should give that power to the modern day equivalent of the mafia? Unions rarely have their members’ best interests in mind. Most of the supposed increased wages are wasted on union dues, which the union presidents are too busy wasting on golf courses to actually look out for their members. Members who speak out against the unions are routinely silenced, albeit not as violently as you would be in the mafia. That's sure a big improvement. I'd rather deal with a corporation myself; I'm actually skilled enough to negotiate my own wage on my own. Unions served a purpose once, but have run their course and should be soundly rejected by most Americans now that they are functionally obsolete.

 

But wait, so opposing a bill that actually takes away employee rights is a bad thing?

 

That bill would ELIMINATE an employee’s right to a secret ballot for a unionization vote. For those of you who are too stupid to figure it out, this means that if a workplace goes union, then those employees who vote against unionization are prone to retaliation. This is an intimidation tactic the unions want to coerce workers into saying they want to be unionized because they're scared about being retaliated against. This is absolutely one of the dumbest ideas ever. How does it help workers if they don't have a secret ballot? This is political payback to the unions as the Democrats would not have gotten elected without the union's thuggish influence.

 

Regardless, the editor has shown an astounding lack of reading comprehension as American Solutions is about far more than opposing one idiotic bill. It is an entire organization, with policies for a vast amount of issues. But no, let’s just cherry pick the one that the editor doesn't like and spin it. And then to make this post even more laughable, you cite the Huffington Post. Michael Moore looks moderate compared to them.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Actually, mob-connected parasitic do-nothings should have all the power. Look, I can be snarky too :D

Labor unions need to die a quick death. They're the major thing wrong with the U.S. Auto industry, and they do little more today than foster inefficiency and reward mediocrity. There's something majorly wrong when a multi-million dollar shipment gets held up because the only "level 3 painter" a union shop has is out on vacation, and a "level 2 painter" isn't "authorized" to dab some touchup paint over a scratch on a black box. There's something majorly wrong when a piece of equipment breaks down on a construction project, a contractor is called in to fix it, and the union boss screams and ties everything up because he wants to take 2 weeks to make sure that no "union" shop in the area is capable of doing the work. There wasn't, and the union boss didn't allow the owner to fix the equipment until a union worker got paid $30/hr to stand around and watch the contractors. These aren't hypothetical cases. The first happened to a former co-worker at a defense contractor, and the second happened to my Father.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I have lost a couple jobs because of the union, so speaking from past experience...

Union's are bad.
 

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Hmm, between the GP comment interjected into the story and all the comments I see the union debate is as strong as ever.  So, here are my thoughts on it:

I have worked both union jobs and non-union jobs.  In a union job I got a raise every so often without question.  It just happened.  It was the same raise we all got.  In my non-union jobs (one of which I have right now) raises were never guaranteed, but because I took personal responsibility, worked hard, put in extra hours when necessary, and never once said, "That's not my job," I have received raises, and they were more, percentage-wise, than anything I ever got in a union job.  But others in the same job would receive little or no raise. 

Unions are good for people who aren't in a position to have their voice heard or are happy just keeping their head down and never getting noticed for good or bad.  Unions are great for workers that want to game the system.  Unions are bad for those of us who have aspirations of moving up in the company and want to make our own way in the world on our own merit.  Personally, I have volunteered for everything that gets me close to management.  In college I managed to have dinner with the state attorney general at a professor's house because I made sure he knew me as someone who wanted to succeed. 

For me any law that makes unionization easier in any organization is a negative, as I have always found greater success without a union.  Without a union I did not have money taken from my pay check to support things I didn't always agree with, and my free choices meant that I could succeed without the approval of my co-workers.

I will never work in a unionized institution as long as I have that free choice. 

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Communist alert! Posting random stories that no one cares about with a comment like that is just stupid.  Stick to gamepolitics and try to leave out your political bias.  

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Calling someone whose politcal opinions you disagree with a "communist" in this day and age is, frankly, pathetic. Why not call him a sinner, or a witch? You'd sound equally foolish.

Crawl back into your hole.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

...Really? REALLY? Communist?

What, are you going to start calling Dennis "Comrade" from now on? You are rediculous.

I, personally, like his tidbits, because, honestly, they add flavor to the site and they cause asshats like yourself to reveal yourselves to be nothing but a group of whiners and crybabies.

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Dennis made a Political Comment that I disagree with! He can't do that on his site that he maintains! Waaaaaaaaaaa!"

Honestly, get a life..

 

Edit: Also, the site is called Gamepolitics.

Now, Follow me closely, here. I know your fragile conservative mind needs to hear things in Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity's Voice to register any kind of meaning, but..

Newt Gingrich is involved in Politics, and he is using a Game System to attempt to meet his political goals..

Game... Politics.... Game... Politics.... Ok, now you know the story is perfectly relevant to the site.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I wouldn't call this "exploiting the Nintendo Wii for political gain."

It is giving away a wii to people that wish to get involved and share a similar vision he does.

If this was a pro-union movement that was giving a wii away, would you call it "exploting the Nintendo Wii for political gain" or would you call it providing underpaid workers with a chance to win a gaming system?

Stories like this kill GP's ability to claim their presenting a balanced and unbiased view.
 

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

their = they're

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I hate the absolutist view that "If you're anti-union then you're anti-family."  It is a view that is about as enlightening as "If you're anti-video game regulation then you're anti-family."  It really is the same style of argument.  And that is essentially what kind of statement this story is making.  Because if you're a Republican then you're exploiting games, not supporting them.  I'm not even a Republican and I'm defending them because they are being unjustly attacked.

What is the significance of accusing them of exploiting the Nintendo Wii?  That approach certainly lacks any form of integrity.  Do you agree?  Its fine if you are pro-union but I have a good feeling if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be patting them on the back.

Why not give them some props for promoting video games?  Instead of saying they are exploiting the Nintendo Wii claim they are promoting the Nintendo Wii.  Whichever anti-union advocate wins that Wii will likely purchase more Wii games for said system.  They are more likely to play with it and are more likely to ::gasp:: be a gamer.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Worst of all it gives right-wing leaning censorship groups an excuse to dismiss Gamepolitics' very valid criticisms of them.


If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Keep in mind not all censorship groups are right wing.  Many of them are left wing.  Really there isn't much of a difference these days.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I know. I'm saying that those that *are* right-wing are less likely to take Gamepolitics seriously if Dennis injects left-wing opinions into his stories. Which is what his opinion on this article struck me as. Censorship groups are most always political extremists to start with, and any hint of bias is grounds for total dismissal of another POV.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Wow, just when I thought this site had become completely useless, Dennis points out this little tidbit. I probably wouldn't have known about it if he hadn't posted this story, now I'm signed up and registered for that Wii. Great job Dennis! Oh wait, you wanted us to stay away from it? Oh then I guess you fail.

 

Again.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I suppose in that context you would want to register for anything as long as you win something. I think you might have inspired the KKK to revamp their marketing.

You fail at free will.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Or maybe he just wants a wii but doesn't care or has already decided hes in favor of the guy offering its position. What's with all the semi personal attacks in this article?


Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

In a lot of people's minds, being anti-union is akin to being a facist. They want to reduce it to simple black and white -Unions are good, corporations are bad- terms, when the reality is, everyone looks out for themselves and unions are just as capable of screwing people over as companies are.


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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Unions do some good things, but overall they are just making things worse.

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I have never understood how people can call themselves 'free market' AND 'anti-union'.

If a group of people (union, corperation, etc) have a service that someone else wants, you negotate for use of that serivce and agree to terms.  Free market requires that both sides of the contract/exchange have leverage.

Yet the free market anti-union people seem to feel that only one side should have any say in the contract.  Funny how they don't say the same thing about, say, suppliers.  the UAW was an interesting example of this.  Sure the unions negotated a good contract and that hurt the bottom line, but what about all the companies that the auto industry bought things like raw materials from?  They were equally guilty but got none off the blame.

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You'd be surpirsed to learn that a lot of free market types are actually pro-union in a very traditional sense of the meaning, I invite you to look at what the likes of Milton Friedman have said on the subject.  The ideas of collective bargining are fine if that is how a worker pursues his right to contract with his employer, the objections start rolling in when unions become corrupt power hungry vessels that fail to protect thei people they cliam to represent.  After all there are reasons union membership are low and a lot of that has to do with individual choice, not the EVIL RICH PEOPLE.   

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Tell that to the folks in Matewan, Ludlow and other similar places who were gunned down by evil rich folks for unionizing.  Individual choice is not found at the wrong end of a machine gun.

Lattimer Massacre: 19 miners were killed by police in Lattimer, Pennsylvania, during a march in support of unions.

Battle of Virden: October 1898. Part of the larger mine wars that established Illinois as the leading union state in the country, and the reason that Mother Jones is buried at Mt. Olive, Illinois

Ludlow Massacre: 20 people, including women and children, killed when armed police, hired guns, and Colorado National Guardsmen broke up a tent colony formed by families of miners who had been evicted from company-owned housing.

Matewan, West Virginia, 1920: 12 men were killed in a gunfight between town residents and the Baldwin Felts Detective Agency, hired by mine owners.

Certainly, that level of violence doesn't happen today.  It doesn't have to.  Workers know how far employers are willing to go, and anyone who has worked for any length of time knows that bosses don't want workers organizing, and they're willing to put a lot of pressure on workers to ensure they don't unionize.

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"Certainly, that level of violence doesn't happen today."

Thank you for refuting your own argument.  That said the above points still stand.  To be sure the above points are neither anti-union nor pro, simply is it a reality.  Will the concern you show for history is admirable it ultimately has no bearing on this discussion in the context in which you forwarded it.

 

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Only people who shade the truth will pull out a part of a quote and leave it incomplete standing as if that's the entire truth. He also adds to that. Don't be Dishonest.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Nothing dishonest in what I did I suggest you read both posts again.  

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

In the United States, a union can become the "sole bargaining agent" for all of a company's employees by having a majority of those employees vote to that effect. Though I rarely agree with "free market" types, there's no denying that a government-granted monopoly over employee representation is in no way compatible with the "laissez faire" principles that free marketers espouse.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Because if the goverment doesn't screw around you can always find people willing to work (praticularly now...)?


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(GP: Because, you know, rich guys and corporations should have all the power in our society.)

Rich guys like the union bosses and their lobbyists who will become even richer and more powerful by coercing more workers into joining and paying dues under the Orwellian-named "free choice" law?

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Also, I think the Unions spent about $72 million during the last election in Colorado to rail against any politicians that weren't in favor of supporting their new "secret" ballot approaches.  Seems like their pretty rich and powerful in our society to me.

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

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Unions arent always good, especially if the company is offering decent pay and benefits already. Remember, its not the company that pays most of these union dues, its the workers, who are already heavily taxed.

There was a factory here in Canada that offered its workers a pay raise (yes, in the recession) and additional benefits and a union *REJECTED* it because it wasnt enough. So guess what, they simply closed their doors and said "fine, were closing". In this situation a union screwed up big time, its happened before too, so don't assume unions are awsome and fix everything.

I also notice a few people seem very polarized "what the COMPANY should have all the power?!" and "what the UNION should have all the power?!"

And in most cases yes, the company should have the power, not the union, despite people seeing companies as evil, they dont actually burn puppies at the stake while opening sweatshops and torturing children in cubicled basements, they have standards, and while in a few cases unions have been helpful, by and large they are not.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I really like Newt Gingrich.  I really like Wiis.

 

Thus, all of this is good in my book.

 

I would probably go insane if Hillary Clinton offered a free Wii or if Newt Gingrich offered a free Play Station 3.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Funny idea. "We'll bribe game addicts in here with the chance wi win oen of them game thingamajiggers"

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I'm wondering how different unions work in the United States compared to how they work in Quebec, Canada. I'm living in the most unionized province in Canada, where (if I'm not mistaken) 60% to 70% of jobs are unionized. To my recollection, only 2 businesses ever closed doors directly because of a union: a MacDonald restaurant and a Wal-Mart store. Both bussienesses closed within the week both workplaces became unionized.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

And both of those businesses are know anti-union. It is no suprise that they would rather close up shop than deal with a union.

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

A true "free choice" act would enable employees to choose their own representative in contractual negotiations rather than allow a particular union to represent all of a company's employees simply because a majority of those employees happen to want that particular union to represent them. No union should have a monopoly over a corporation's employees.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Lol years ago when my mom was working under a union they were stupid and kept pretty much giving eye candy deals that caved into the county and the employers every time.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I can understand support for unions and I can understand going against them... I think the ballot should remain secret though...

Not sure how I feel about bribing people with anything though, or if this would even work.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

How is insureing a worker has a right to a secret ballet giveing "rich guys and corporations... ...all the power in our society"

 

Please quite with the commentary, it makes you harder to bare.

 

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Because, essentially, the corporations are FORCING them to vote.

From what -I- understand, according to the EFCA, if over 50% of employees in a unit sign authorization cards, they can forgo a secret-ballot vote, as there has already been majority approval. But under current law, the employers (the corporations) can say, "No. You must vote." because they can reject the authorization cards.

Hence, the corporations have power to force a vote onto the employees by rejecting an alternative that gives the same result (majority favor).

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

uh what? Unless they are being intimdated, they are going to vote the same way, and if they are being intimdated , why should a union created via intimdation be reconized?


Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

...I still don't follow where exactly you are coming from.

Basically, regarding the secret ballots, the EFCA ensures an alternative to voting which employers must recognize.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

How is it hard to get?

 

This bill will only change the end result if people are being intimidated.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I think part of the problem is that some unions get known to be almost infamous crime boss types. They are being intimidated. Read up. Plus do you think we should remove the secret ballot for presidency? The secrecy is what helps people make choices free of social constraints.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I miss GP when Dennis would keep his biases out of stories....

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

Me too. God, me too.

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

I know it's Dennis's site but that line really doesn't help anything.

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Normally he does a good job, but when his biases come out in some of these stories it gets annoying.

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Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

ITT: Conservatives who are Bitching about something they can't change.

 

To take from your arguments in this thread:

If you can't take it, find a video game politics site that doesn't have bias, or even better yet, a conservative bias! Oh, wait.. Thats right, you can't. That being said, "quit yer Bitchin" about what Dennis chooses to do with his site.

In all honesty, I hope he gets a kick out of making you guys squirm while reading his commentary.

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Yea, I'll sign up, but I already have a Wii, so I'll give the extra to One of my RL friends(who Dosen't have one) {Sarcasm}

@GP how many Pundits/politicians supporting any game system so far(Tally Count) This console war(Including Sean Hannity)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Newt Gingrich: Be Anti-Labor Union, Win a Wii

(GP: Because, you know, rich guys and corporations should have all the power in our society.)

(jds: Because, you know, a union should have the power to shut down a corporation and risk the employment of everyone. Yeah, what a great idea. Next time a union strikes fire 'em all and hire people that want the jobs.)

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