State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic Impact, Hate the Sex & Gore

State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic Impact, Hate the Sex & Gore

February 28, 2009

The Christian Science Monitor ran a piece yesterday outlining the dilemma which many state legislatures find themselves in with regard to video games: Do they hate them for the violence and mature content contained in some titles? Or do they love games for the revenue they generate and the jobs they create?

Probably a little of both. From the CSM:

For some politicians, video games have been a wonderful target. More than a few lawmakers have burnished their family-values credential by speaking out against the medium as a peddler of smut and gore...

 

Yet some signs indicate that the relationship between politicians and the industry is getting a bit cozier. About a dozen states are now wooing video-game companies to their cities. Enchanted by gamemakers’ big budgets, high-skilled jobs, and purported resistance to recessions, state lawmakers are backing legislation that aims to attract a bigger slice of the $22 billion industry.

Indeed, some states which, in years gone by, passed or considering passing video game content legislation are now wooing the game biz with tax breaks and other incentives. Examples of such flip-flopping include Louisiana, Michigan and Massachusetts.

Morgan Webb of G4's X-Play program and yours truly are quoted in the CSM article. Here's my take:

Mr. McCauley of GamePolitics attributes the uneven distribution of restrictions [between the movie and game industries] to unfamiliarity with video games and fear that older voters will flip out if tax dollars funded the next offensive title. “Games are relatively new compared to cinema,” he says. “For some politicians, games are new and youth-culture oriented. The bottom line is, they don’t get [games]. They’re more familiar with the movie industry and more inclined to look favorably on it as a result...”

 

“States are really hurting right now,” he says. “They’re looking for new sources of revenue. I think we’re only going to see more of [government financial incentives for game developers] in the future.”

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Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic Impact,

Then there are states where they do both. Try to woo game developers while hating them for their content. Like Oklahoma.

I really hope my letters are being read and they will drop the ratings restriction.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic Impact,

What did you write about Zachary???

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic Impact,

Oklahoma wants to give out tax incentives for game developers who operate in the state, but they only want to give those incentives to games developers who make E-T games.

I wrote about how having that provision makes Oklahoma unattractive when compared to states that offer tax incentives without any such provision.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

Could you please post one of your letters somewhere on the site?

It could serve as a helpful tool for other gamers who want to contact people of interest in regards to these issues

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

I started a thread in the Forums with the letter in it.

http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=5613

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

And I leave you all with people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf

 

The best research paper done yet ... notice the states that consume the most online porn are the same states (ahem UTAH) that whine the most about protecting the children and how evil games are (Figure 2 page 8).  Now I'm not saying anything is wrong with porn but I do find it funny that the most conservative states are showing up as the most "addicted" to porn states. Especially since these same states; Oklahoma who doesn't want M rated games produced in their state and Utah also known as Jack's whore consume some of the highlest levels of online porn per broadband owner.

Hypocrisy its the greatest thing ever made.

 

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

Like David Shuster of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave(MSNBC Show) said "That's hypocrisy... and it's wrong."

Every time I find somthing stupid related to Pol's and Video games off site related to Hypocracy, I send it over here

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

While it is great to know what states consume porn it does not strengthen anyones argument on this issue and is easily countered ie they want to protect the childern =  it is adults looking at porn.  Unless you can get the politics down of all the porno viewers the hypocrisy is simply not there on the porn front and is non exsistant on the videogame front.  Gamers have stronger arguments at their disposal than this red herring.   

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

You are assuming I think this is a counter argument for stupid anti-video game fantics and not just amusing information about states and especially the bible belt region that rails against video games so much.  I personally find it amusing that they say they hate violence, gore, sex etc in video games and movies yet most of the places that complain about this are some of the highest consumers of online porn.  I also would just like to note on the politics front that its easy to estimate what the most likely political view of said porno person is in these states ... Oklahoma had a 70%ish Red Vote in the last National Election and if a good portion of their population of broadband users perscribes to porn then its highly probable that they are a republican based on this red vote (granted this based on correlation which I frankly say is BS math but once again just amusing).

 

Frankly IMO its a waste of time to try and convince any of these people one way or the other ... its like Abortion most people have a strong opinion and trying to convince them other wise is like the greek guy pushing the rock up the hill pointless and never ending.

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

So long as we are clear that if there is hypocrisy it is not on the videogame front.

Also for your Republican assumption to carry water it must be ascertained that the voters in question were indeed "values voters" and that among said values was to decrease internet pornography.  The term republican could also very well encompass a more libertarian stripe that would have no problem with pornography. 

Remember that few ideologies are structured as such to preclude personal preferences.  

 

If gamers want to start turing opponents into friends (re: properly educated on gaming issues) accusations of deivance on unrelated matters is not a good start. 

 

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

Perfectly well said Dennis,

although it is hard to try and say in a way that THEY can understand it.

The simple truth is, yes, politicians are so unfamiliar to Videogames that they would rather bann Videogames even though Movies and TV shows have the same or similar mature content.

Plus the Mainstreem News Media have REALISTIC VIOLENCE that is even more damaging to a child's mind because it was real. But it did not stop all the news shows showing the Twin Towers collapse OVER 9,000 times after 9/11.

Even in Australia where I live, I had to endure TV like that weeks afterwords without being reminded of it.

That is why during those times of horrible news stories taking over the TV that I turned to Videogames and Anime cartoons like Pokemon and DragonBall Z that took my mind off realistic violence and made me more confortable with fantasy violence when I knew it was not real.

 

And seeing politicians being afraid of violent videogames or violent cartoons all because they think they are just for kids makes me think that these politicians have no real happiness in their lives.

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

hmm politicians claim to hate violence but supported wars.  Something just doesn't add up there.  Also that bit about hating sex someone'll have to ask Bill Clinton about that.

Re: State Governments & Video Games: Love the Economic ...

Well, I for one believe that the state governments will stick with their morals and refuse to give tax breaks to the makers of violent video games. Sure, it will help the economy and provide new jobs without any downsides, but I think the states will stand by their morals, unflinching in the face of such strong temptations. Because if there is one thing that politicians are known for, it's not furiously backpeddling over all their beliefs and previous statements in order to get a quick economic boost.

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GamePolitics ShoutBox

Posted 02/09/10 at 01:10pm
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:00pm
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:53pm
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Andrew Eisen: Eye color isn't covered either but I doubt it would be considered legal to refuse to hire people with green eyes.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:48pm
Andrew Eisen: My explanation is longer than the Shoutbox will allow. Suffice to say that while those who are discriminated against do have legal recourse, anti-discrimination law should specifically cite sexual orientation so that there’s no question about it.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:42pm
Valdearg: "There is no federal law that consistently protects LGBT individuals from employment discrimination; it remains legal in 29 states, and in 38 states to do so based on gender identity or expression." From the Human Rights Campaign.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:40pm
Valdearg: @AE: Why don't you think I'm correct? I know Wiki could be flawed, but as far as it says, its up to date as of June 2009.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:39pm
Andrew Eisen: I don't think you're right but I really don't know and don't have the time to find out. However things actually are, it's very clear how they actually should be.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:34pm
Valdearg: "just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal." I would disagree. If there's no laws against it, it makes it perfectly legal. It's definitely not right, but perfectly legal to do.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:33pm
Valdearg: Meaning in 29 states, private sector discrimination against gays is perfectly legal.. Sickening.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:33pm
Valdearg: 19 states have no protections, and another 10 only have protections for public sector jobs.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:32pm
Andrew Eisen: Well, most businesses have equal rights policies in place and just because there's no specific state level protection for it, doesn't make discrimination right or legal. Still, no argument against adding such protections.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:28pm
Valdearg: More information. Apparently, it's worse than I actually thought.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:28pm
Valdearg: Check the link. Apparently, its more like 20 states that have no protections.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:26pm
Andrew Eisen: In the US? Not that I'm aware of. Sad if true.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:25pm
Valdearg: @AE: Actually, I think, at least for now, businesses can still discriminate against gays in a few states.. Something like 5 or 8. Its part of why Gay Rights Advocates are in support of the Employee Nondiscrimination Act, or ENDA.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:22pm
Valdearg: @AE: And that's fine. Official "Church" functions are fine, despite the fact that it's discrimination, it's what I guess I would consider "acceptable" discrimination, despite the fact that I hate to use "acceptable" to define it.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:21pm
Valdearg: What's stopping someone from working with the church to declare a Catholic Corporation, that would retain it's "right" to discriminate against non-Catholics?
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:20pm
Valdearg: Let me ask you this. What defines something as "catholic"? There are Catholic Schools, Churchs, Charities, and even law firms.
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