Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids Want to Play

March 2, 2009 -

Content warning labels placed on video games actually increase children's desire to play, according to a new study published in the March issue of Pediatrics.

As reported by the Chicago Tribune:

Researchers tested 310 Dutch children ranging in age from 7 to 17. Participants read fictitious game descriptions and rated how much or how little they wanted to play each game. In every group, the more objectionable the content, the more kids clamored for the controller—"forbidden fruit," the researchers called the games...

 

Authors, Brad Bushman of the University of Michigan and Elly Konijn of VU University Amsterdam... suggest that youth should not be allowed to buy their own games, that parents and physicians be aware of risk factors... and that policy-makers rethink the classifications...

Interestingly, the study began with the hypothesis that mature content ratings issued by the Pan-European Game Information system (PEGI) enticed younger players. With regard to PEGI the authors conclude:

Although [PEGI] was developed to protect youth from objectionable content, this system actually makes such games forbidden fruits. Pediatricians should be aware of this forbidden-fruit effect, because video games with objectionable content can have harmful effects on children and adolescents.

As GamePolitics readers know, PEGI, which enjoys video game industry support, is locked in a bitter struggle with the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) for ratings dominance in the U.K.


Comments

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Most of these kids go to school and brag about how they have GTA IV making other kids want it more. That is the nature of these kids to brag about having something that most of the time they shouldn’t. Removing the label won’t affect that. marirea penisului

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

What a colossal waste of money; a study that simply prooves common knowledge: young people always want to test the limits and always want what they can't have. They smoke, drink, fight, steal, watch movies/read things/play games they're not allowed to play and they get a thrill out of it because they're not allowed to do it! None of us can say there weren't points we purposely broke the rules to have fun.

Am I saying kids wanting to do these things is good and safe? No, in most cases. But we have yet to see any truly consistant proof in a REAL experimental study that proves video games have adverse affects on people. There is NO evidence to support these claims. At this point, it's up to the parents, and I'm fine with that.

Some of you may argue "BUT THE PARENTS ARE IRRESPONSIBLE IDIOTS" and to that I respond "So is the government".  I don't trust anyone anymore, so I'd rather have that power in my own hands than in the government's. Where as other parents will just screw it up, the government will outright take things away from us, and there is no way in hell I am letting them get away with censorship.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

As if this is news to anyone. WTF? 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The most difficult pain a man can suffer is to have knowledge of much and power over little" - Herodotus

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The most difficult pain a man can suffer is to have knowledge of much and power over little" - Herodotus

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Okay...and this is a problem to the game industry how? Their responsibility ends at preventing these kids from getting the games. It's their decision to offer a 'reduced gore/violence' mode, though I really appreciate it when they do.

After that, it's the parent's responsibility. Like booze and cigarettes, even if it's not really a societally good thing that kids are tempted to illegally acquire and use them. Of course, booze and cigarettes are often viewed as 'forbidden fruits'...

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

They actually had to conduct a study for this?

How do I get the job of accepting money for restating common knowledge/sense?

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

 "Pediatricians should be aware of this forbidden-fruit effect, because video games with objectionable content can have harmful effects on children and adolescents."

They can? Show me some strong, consistant, direct evidence that they are harmful to children and teenagers. Do they put children in an altered or trance like state causing them to commit acts of violence towards other. So far all the evidence claiming they are so-called harmful is extremely weak, inconsistant, flawed and incredibly biased. It's nothing more then psuedoscientific bullshit in an attempt to allow the government to come in and control (through censorship, restricitions and regulations on Free Speech) the thoughts and feelings of minors. Are they inappropriate and unsuitable, maybe for young children but that is the determination and decision of the individual child's parents.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

You see this all the time. Like what other people have said; it’s the same with R rated movies and music labels. It's also similar to alcohol and cigarettes; when young people get access to it they consume more because 1. It’s illegal and 2. It allows them to act more mature than they really are and thus glorifying themselves. The whole idea that something is ‘off limits’ makes it much more tempting and that’s just really psychology.

www.katamaridemocracy.com http://twitter.com/PushDustIn

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

anyone remember when Bart and Milhouse imitated Jackass?

Milhouse: The warning made me want to do it more.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

To this I say: "OF COURSE!"

I mean to Captain Obvious and the Legions of Gullible of that particular study...when you had games like Mortal Kombat that had a hidden blood code, and Lethal Enforcers way way back in the day. I wasn't even 18 at the time, I snuck out and managed to snag rental time on them (back then my dad was quite oblivious how games were rated and what was/was not violent) Those games...even then were..."..ehh...just okay" but it was the idea I was playing something I shouldn't! Slaughterhouse and Phantasmagoria, all more examples of forbidden fruit, I had to taste. Now that I am 25, there isn't that much excitement when playing those games. In fact most of them are pretty terrible...o.o

Eh back to point...of course slapping R or 18+ ratings will make certain kids covet these little items. Human nature to want what we can't have :)

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

Today was the first time I noticed the rating on my newly-bought DS game was PEGI. Cute. I don't give a damn.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

*sigh* And I want to go to U of M...I'm just waiting for my acceptance letter (or letter saying no). Every big stupid and sensationilist study always has some idiot from U of M. If those are the types of people that get let into there...maybe it's not such a great school after all.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

We're not dimissing the study; it's the solution that's the problem. Yes, it makes perfect sense that objectionable content is more enticing. But they're also saying that PEGI shouldn't do a +18 rating. It needs to be left to the BBFC. Ridiculous.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Eh? Where does it talk about the BBFC? I couldn't find any reference to it in either of the articles, especially as it has already been said this is a Dutch project so why would they be interested in the BBFC?


Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

people want what they can't or shouldn't have, always been that  way, always will.


Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

...the more objectionable the content, the more kids clamored for the controller—"forbidden fruit," the researchers called the games...

They missed a GOLDEN opportunity here. I figured they had put actual ratings labels on the games. This may point to a "forbidden fruit" theory. But they didn't, they merely described the content.

What does this prove? Only that children like gore, violence, and profanity. Duh!

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

 >As GamePolitics readers know, PEGI, which enjoys video game industry support, is locked in a bitter struggle with the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) for ratings dominance in the U.K.

...and that's not what this study is about. Since this study was preformed in, erm... Dutchland, it wouln't bring the BBFC into the matter, same reason the ESRB aren't involved.

Either way, I can't see the BBFC taking much interest in this. Micheal Atkinson, on the other hand...

/b

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

It's like when you see a button and a huge warning saying, "Do not press this button." I wanna push the button.

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

isn't that the button that sends out a guy to kick you?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

I don't know why people keep on getting fussed over comments like "violent games are unsuitable for all ages" and ignore what is actually being said. The real issue here is the actual rating.

It's well known that every time a game gets banned (or talk of being banned) more people want it. It doesn't matter who puts the ratings on the games, most kids want the games that they are not allowed.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

Easy example is Manhunt 2.

--------------------------------------------------

I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

Definately. I wouldn't have bought it had it not been banned.

/b

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

Well, duh people! It's the same with R-ratings and music warning labels.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Perhaps it is the major errors these people still continue to say "These games are detrimental to young people" accturely make kids want to play those games more to prove them wrong.

Once again, I am not surprized that a few researchers who NEVER PLAYED VIDEOGAMES continue on that ignorant myth about Violent Videogames. And yet again they get their facts wrong.

It is NOT the 'forbidden fruit' theory...

It is the "Stop telling us what games we should not play, because you are only making us want to play them more" theory where kids want to test their limits.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Calm down, you're being far too dismissive of the fact that some children DO want to do things more when they know they are not supposed to.

--------------------------------------------------

I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

You got that right, esp. if it's dealing with alcohol. I knew someone that brews homemade beer with his dad as a get-together hobby. Since his early teenage days, making alcoholic drinks was like an art to them. So when he started going to college he didn't see the point of almost everyone making a big deal out of getting wasted every week. He was already surrounded by alcohol for many years, in a controlled manner, so it doesn't thrill him in the same way.

GameSnooper

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Well it is only just a theory I have

Also to anyone who has got the book Grand Theft Childhood.

Did the book say anything that a normal part of being a kid is to test yourself and explore your limitations?

I believe that kids want to play violent videogames after hearing all the stupid opinions about violent videogames, this only makes the kids want to play them more.

TBoneTony

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

I don't remember testing the limits. But the book did mention about the forbidden fruit effect, although I don't have the book right now and I don't remember the details or their stance on that idea.

 

http://vgresearcher.wordpress.com/

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make Kids

You can't argue against PEGI on this basis when the BBFC slaps a huge red 18 on the front of the box for such games that warrant it. It's the equivalent the Big Red Shiny Button simply labelled 'Do Not Push' to a kid.

 

Also,

"because video games with objectionable content can have harmful effects on children and adolescents."

Proof please.

--------------------------------------------------

I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

Yeah, but the parents should be able to tell their kids no, and slap their hand away.  If you are mature enough to have sex, and make a child, you should be mature enough to raise that child.  I am sick of lazy ass parents that just let everyone else get the blame for their shotty work as a parent. (I am actually for minor prosecution of parents when their kids do illegal acts and the parents blame it on video games they bought for the kid.)

Nido Web Flash Tutorials AS2 and AS3 Tutorials for anyone interested.
How to set Xbox 360 Parental Controls

Nido Web Flash Tutorials AS2 and AS3 Tutorials for anyone interested.
How to set Xbox 360 Parental Controls

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

You do realize that maturity has NOTHING to do with the ability to have sex and children right? Does your statement apply to 13 year old kids that had sex and a child!?!?!?

If you meant of legal age rather than physically capability (which also varies between nations) then you should be aware that 30 year old parents or older could be about as mentally mature as the 13 year olds...

 

Also about slapping, don't know how easy it is in other nations but in crazy town USA that is considered abuse... you could have your kid taken away or maybe face battery charges should you slap their hand away...

 

By the way, a new trend in USA is that 4 year olds get put on sexual predator list for things like hugging each other or their teachers in schools(or similar horrible things)... if this would apply to the parents as well then should your FOUR year old hug anyone in school, YOU WILL PLACED ON THE SEXUAL PREDOTOR LIST AND NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE NEAR CHILDREN AGAIN...

In other words perhaps you should re-think the things you support...

 

Re: Forbidden Fruit Theory 101: Game Content Warnings Make ...

That's a great idea, let's give children a legal way that they can black mail their parents!  Then children can live out their criminal fantasies and someone else is then blamed for it.  It's perfect!  I mean, it's already practically illegal for parents to properly punish their children, what with it being labled as "physical abuse" and all, so we might as well start throwing people in jail for having spoiled children.  Maybe then when the world is seeing its last generation of humans because people have stopped having children because of the enourmous hassle it brings, we can look back on this conversation and have a good chuckle at it.

 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
Andrew EisenNow, having said that, what sites are you reading that are claiming that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem" or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"? Or was that hyperbole too?09/21/2014 - 1:03am
Andrew EisenFirst of all, ONE person in the Shout box suggested an obligation to call harassers out on their harassing but only after YOU brought it up. Plus, Techno said "when you see it happening." If you don't see it, you're not under any obligation.09/21/2014 - 1:02am
Sleaker@Craig R. - at this point I don't even know what the hashtags are suppsed to be in support of. what does GamerGate actually signify.09/21/2014 - 12:21am
Sleaker@AE - Hyperbole for the first 2, but it seems like some of the comments in the shout are attempting to place blame on fellow gamers because they aren't actively telling people to stop harassing even though they don't necessarily know anyone that has.09/21/2014 - 12:16am
Andrew EisenSleaker - Who the heck are you reading that is claiming "all gamers are bad," we "need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers," that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem," or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"?09/20/2014 - 9:44pm
erthwjimhe swatted more than just krebs, I think he swatted 30 people http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/teen-arrested-for-30-swattings-bomb-threats/09/20/2014 - 9:31pm
Craig R.Btw, the guy who swatted security expert Brian Krebs? He got picked up recently. It can be done.09/20/2014 - 8:55pm
Craig R.Such things are not done in a vacuum... hence why the 4chan and other logs show what fools you've all been, tricked into doing the trolls' work09/20/2014 - 8:49pm
Sleaker@Technogeek - How do you call someone out that anonymously calls in a SWAT team, or sends threats to people?09/20/2014 - 7:04pm
Technogeek"It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so." I'd say you're certainly obligated to call them out when you see it happening.09/20/2014 - 5:17pm
SleakerNow if you disagree with anything in my last 2 posts then we obviously have a difference in world view, and wont come to any sort of agreement. I'm fine with that, maybe some people aren't?09/20/2014 - 5:09pm
SleakerIt also doesn't mean that just because a news outlet says that Gamers are the problem and you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem. It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so.09/20/2014 - 4:59pm
SleakerJust to re-iterate: People getting harassed is wrong. Just because someone is harassed by so called 'gamers' doesn't mean that all gamers are bad. nor does it mean that you need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers.09/20/2014 - 4:56pm
SleakerAnd furthermore just because someone doesn't 'crusade against the evil' that doesn't make them the problem. You can have discussion with those around you. There's a thing called sphere of influence.09/20/2014 - 4:54pm
Sleaker@Conster - one person getting harassed is a 'problem' only so far as the harassee's are doing it. Just because a select few people choose to act like this doesn't make it widespread. Nor does it immediately make everyone responsible to put an end to it.09/20/2014 - 4:54pm
james_fudgeno worries09/20/2014 - 4:15pm
TechnogeekI misread james' comment as "we can't have a debate without threatening" there at first. Actually wound up posting a shout about death threats and "kill yourself" not technically being the same thing before I realized.09/20/2014 - 3:59pm
james_fudgeDon't hit me *cowers behind Andrew*09/20/2014 - 3:20pm
ConsterYou take that back right now, james, or else. *shakes fist menacingly*09/20/2014 - 3:00pm
james_fudgeOur community is awesome. We can have a debate without threatening to kill each other.09/20/2014 - 2:50pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician