U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

March 10, 2009 -

Above The Influence, the youth-oriented, anti-drug media campaign run by the Office of National Drug Control Policy, has a new, avatar-based ad campaign which warns gamers that their skills will be negatively impacted by smoking pot.

From the Huffington Post:

To dramatize how bad a stoner can be at video games, the site interviews a computer-generated character who laments the demise of a gamer friend of hers. "I used to have a good time with Lyle. We made a good team. He had skill. He had swiftness," she says. "Well, he used to, anyway. Then our last fight, Lyle decided to get high. And it was simply: sayonara skill, sayonara swiftness."

The Above the Influence campaign points out that perception, memory and eye-hand coordination are all reduced by marijuana use.

Via: Kotaku


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Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

You may be kidding, but I would love to see prohibition reinstated.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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The problem is that prohibition doesn't work, history has already proven that.  Humans, in general, like to get fucked up and for that matter so does much of the animal kingdom.  All that a heavy handed prohibative approach does is allow the more unsavory characters in our society to take control of that business.  Last time we outlawed alcohol we managed to make a criminal out of what would normally be a regular law abiding American and give rise to modern organized crime which, because of the amount of money involved in bootlegging began to employ a level of violence that hadn't been seen before.  

Modern marijuanna laws are no different.  If you remove the criminality you, to an extent, remove the criminal.  People aren't going to go to some shady guy on a corner when they can walk into a store and make their purchase legally.  Given, I'm sure those already involved in the drug trade will probably go off and find another raeson to shoot at each other but we can at least give them one less excuse.  All prohibition does is create criminals, and often times violent ones.  To think otherwise is to grossly misunderstand human nature.

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That attitude is exactly why prohibition failed. It did not fail through some naturl process, it failed due to apathy on the part of the public.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

I'd say it was the exact opposite.  It didn't fail becauset he public was appathetic if failed because the pubic wanted a beer.

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

So rather than failing because of apathy it failed because of selfishness. Wow, that makes it so much better.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

It failed because the people felt the government overstepped it's boundries in making decisions about thier health for them.

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What?  Are you kidding?  Zach, you're my friend, and I've stayed out of this discussion largely because I really don't have firsthand experience with the issue at hand and don't want to be talking out of my ass.  But really, when you make a statement like this, I have to facepalm.  Prohibition may have been a great idea on paper, but it ended up doing more harm than good.  Not the least of which was the rise of organized crime who, once they saw a profit could be made from smuggling and dsitributing alcohol, took advantage of it and subesequently saw a rise in crime as rival crime lords duked it out for territory and innocent bystanders got caught in the crossfire (i.e. the war between Al Capone and Bugs Morane).  The same can be said right now of marijuana; as long as it's illegal, the criminals will continue to traffic in it as long as it remains profitable for them.  Decriminalize or legalize it and that source of revenue will dry up for them, and you'll see a drop in drug-related violence.  And personally, I'd rather have assholes wander around drunk in the street and have alcohol legal than have it be made illegal and see a rise in crime because of it.

Yes, alcohol can be bad if anyone abuses it.  I don't drink myself, but it's not because of any kind of adherance to any set of moral or religous priciples, I just never liked the taste of beer or liqour and never went to parties or anyplace where people drank in my youth.  That and I had a bad experience with a roommate who got violent when he drank, threatened me and my friends and stole my stuff by the time I got fed up and moved out.  By contrast I had another set of roommates who smoked weed, and while I may not have necessarily approved of it and were irritable when they were coming down, on the whole they were a lot more pleasant to deal with than the guy who drank.  That and one of my friends whom I love very much smoked weed, and she got into Cornell and is writing for their newspaper and as far as I know is doing very well (though granted, she hasn't smoked in over a year and I don't know if she is still doing it).  So between that and everything else I have read about pot, I'm inclined to look more favorably on pot than on alcohol.  And it should be at the very least decriminalized.  If for no other reason than stop wasting taxplayer dollars on what is a failed policy.

I respect your lifestyle and the principles you live by, and I hope you do with me, and I think we have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

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Hey, I respect your opinion on the matter as well. While my call for prohibition does nto agree with you, it still stands.

I understand the problems with organized crime due to prohibition of alcohol and current illegal drugs as well. But organized crime can be dealt with. It is possible. But only if we as a nation are willing to deal with it. It does not help when we have people in a position of power to stop these criminals take bribes and other such cut backs to turn their heads. You cannot deny that that happens.

We have cops who steal drugs from evidence lockers for the sole purpose to sell it back out on the street. We have cops and city officials who regularly accept bribes and or give into extortion from those criminals.

It does take money and resources to fight these criminals, but legalizing these substances only gets rid of the headline grabbing problems.

You may not mind dealing with the occasional "asshole wandering around drunk" or high, but how would you feal if that same asshole got behind the wheel of his car and ended up killing someone you love?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

This is why we have laws banning drunk driving but not drinking (anymore). We recognize as a society of free individuals that people have the right to fuck up their own bodies but when they endanger others it's not ok.

What's next, outlaw BK and McD's because they're making everyone who's too stupid to eat elsewhere obese?

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Eating at BK or McDs does not endanger the lives of people around the eater. It is not a valid comparison.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Wrong. Parents who have bad health habits are more then likely to pass those habits onto their children, and when mom and dad start eating at the fast food joint everynight guess where little timmy and suzy are getting their grub?

Also if you think obesity doesn't detract from your ability to do things like drive a car you're also fooling yourself, there's a reason why fat and sluggish are similar descriptions. People who are medically obese have more difficulty moving and reacting to suddent changes, additionally they are more at risk for sudden heart problems and strokeds, remind me what happens when someone driving a car has one of those in mid-day traffic. By your opinion any behavior that could POSSIBLY lead to danger for others needs to be banned, so everybody say bye bye BK.

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It should be my decision and my responsibility - just like any other activity is.  But right now I have to break the law if I want to use marijuana - and that's even if I use it responsibly.  That's ridiculous and it's a double standard when alcohol and tobacco - drugs that are similarly prone to abuse - are perfectly legal.

They should either legalize marijuana use or criminalize alcohol and tobacco use.  Since I don't often partake of any intoxicating drugs (I have a beer about once a week, I smoke a cigar maybe once a year and I've smoked marijuana once - and that was over 20 years ago in Austria) I don't really care too much which, although I think any law that treats adults as kids is probably a stupid law.  But I think the law should at least be consistent.

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Day by day, Above the Influence resorts more and more to 1930's tactics. Soon they'll be accusing pot of causing rape, dementia, and murder.

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Don't forget terrorism, communism and nazi's.

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

And maybe that there are secret conspiracies in the media to force kids into smoking pot, headed by secret groups of the tobacco industry *also trying to take a whack at Truth*

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Strange, I've never found my gameing skills to be affected by smoking weed, unless I'm so shit-faced stone that I can't get off the couch.  Seeing as that rarely happens now, from a combination of being more moderate with my intake and due to my high tolerance, I'm going to have to decry BS on this assumption.  Being drunk on the other hand makes me totally useless at most games.

Weed affects each person in a different way.  I've known stoners who fit the stereotype of being incredibly lazy and idiotic.  I've also known stoners who totally break this stereotype by being some of the most intelligent individuals I've ever met.  Hell there was a dude I knew in college who was a marine bio major that use to get stoned all the time.  When he had to write a major report he'd spend an entire day in his room smoking pot and blasting Rage Against the Machine while busting out the paper.  Guy never got anything besides A's.

These ads by and large are ineffective.  Those that have decided not to smoke aren't going to care about them because it's not targeting them to begin with.  Those that do smoke are just going to point and laugh at the second-grade scare tactics depicted within.  As for those that the ads are really targeting, teens that haven't made that kind of decision yet, regardless what their reasonings to smoke or not to smoke I'd bet they don't include these ads.  I have yet to meet a non-smoker who cites information give to him from an ad as his primary reason to not spark up.

 

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Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

I know a guy who, in an obscure game you guys probably never heard of, did most of the fort fights stoned and always, despite having a skill, strength and gear advantage, would always nearly or fully lose due to it. Influencing behaviour negatively? Yeah, I'm buying that.

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

And I had a friend who took part in a 30+ man Guilty Gear X2 tournament while stoned.  He won the tournament with Sol Badguy.  Didn't lose a match. 

It affects different people in different ways just like pretty much any other drug.  Some people can't play stoned while others can play just fine.  It's all about knowing how it affects you and doing it in moderation.

 

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Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

For ships and giggles I watched the videos that go with the website and by all means having generic video game characters telling me how they got the crap beaten out of them because the person controlling them was high insulted my intelligence.

And when you insult the intelligence of a idiot like me thats pretty bad.  :(

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Playing Street Fighter IV high, not so great. Playing an MMO high, a bunch of fun. Playing a music game high (from Rock Band to Audiosurf), heaven.

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"There are 100,000 total marijuana
smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers.
Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana.
This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes,
entertainers, and any others."

quote from Harry Anslinger before a senate hearing on marijuana in the 1930's. He was the Commissioner of US bureau of Narcotics. Clearly racism forged these pointless laws. Over 700,000 people were put in jail last year for being in possession of a plant. Non-violent offenders being jailed with rapist and killers. Its appaling. Our government should regulate it the same way we regulate alcohol. You have no idea how many scumbags are makings millions off this un taxed endevour. You cant even begin to fathom, trust me. They want illegal marijuana. They are the richest people in america for it. So why the fuck do we keeps these insane draconian laws? In any war, there is a loser and a winner. So ask you're self this. Whos winning? It fucking certainly isnt us.

 

 

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

We are having a hard enough time keeping the streets safe from people abusing one mind altering drug, alcohol. Why should we legalize yet another mind altering drug with a high abuse tendancy of those taking it.

We have binge parties right now. Do you think that would not happen with marijuana? Do you think people will smoke it in "moderation" just because they are supposed to? You know, opium used to be legal in several countries around the world. Now it is not because most of those countries realized how dangerous it is.

Personally, I would love to see prohibition return, and it is a shame it will never happen. Screw public and private safety. Let's make billions from the tax revenue.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

Oh well, that means that the current laws are perfectly logical!

According to the publicly available media that pushes for/advertises or is against a product:

Marijuana "inhibits" the user; therefore it is illegal
Nicotine "improves" the user; therefore it is legal
Alcohol "inhibits" the user; therefore it is legal
Adderall "improves" the user; therefore it is illegal (recreationally speaking)

WHAT

Instead of leading you on with "proteckt them from WUT LOLZ," I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're talking about crimes like assault or robbery that people commit when they're high. Unfortunately, they're really not relevant to the argument unless someone can establish that all or most marijuana users will commit crimes (aside from the obvious possession and consumption of marijuana). Such activity is already illegal, and legalizing a drug won't make them any more or less legal. Or, you could try to prove that they pose some kind of threat independently of violent intent (similar to the "drunk driving" argument).

GameSnooper

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And while we're at it, let's take away everyone's guns.  You know, for "public safety".

This is something I'm on the total opposite side of, EZK.  Prohibition doesn't solve any of the problems and there are plenty of people who drink alcohol or smoke pot that don't abuse it despite what others may want you to believe.  On average on a work day I'll have one beer and smoke one bowl (after work, obviously).  If it's the weekend I may have a couple of more drinks and I may smoke a second bowl (I stay up later on weekends). 

Does everyone show such moderation?  Of course not.  But rather than take them away from those of us that can punish those that do abuse it who do stupid things. 

To put it frankly, you don't have to like it but you don't have a right to regulate morality.  What I want to put in my body is none of your concern.  If, theoretically, I were to get drunk and do something stupid like beat a guy up I should be punished...for beating the guy up. 

I will at least give you props for being consistent with your views on drugs.  It's better than dealing with people who try to make a lame excuse for while alcohol is "magically delicious" while pot is the tool of the devil, even if it's the total opposite stance that I take.

 

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Sorry, but the guns marijuana comparison does not work. You are comparing apples to zebras here. Guns are not a mind altering substance. Guns do not change chemicals in people's brains.

Now sure there are plenty of people who can show signs of "moderation" and do so quite naturally, but it does change your thinking even in moderation. That has been proven.

Personally, I don't think prohibition on alcohol or any other drug is a morality issue. It may be your body but when you damage your body, it has an affect on everyone. Your increased issurance costs reflect on other people's plans. When people get in wrecks and insurance companies have to pay multimillion dollar settlements to the families of victims, that reflects on the insurance costs of the unseen victims, those of us who do not use the substances. When you have to have those hundreds of thousands or millions of dollar organ transplants to replace your damaged liveror other organs, those cost get reflected on those of us who don't use these substances.

The point is, just because you can't see the victim, that does not mean they don't exist. Drugs of any kind are not a morality issue. They are a public safety issue. Mind altering substances even taken in moderation can have a dramatic effect on your reasoning skills and reflexes.

While I agree we need stricter punishments for abusers but you would think more could be done.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Wow why not take away guns and all rights I mean people with the right to think and live their life in their own individual way is a affront to peace and order....

If you take guns away from the people only criminals will have them the same line of thought works with drugs if you take them away only the criminals will have them, and not only that you just made a large proration of your normal non violent/criminals populace criminals, Good way to go there Stalin.... Good way to go...

 


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Sorry but not impressed by any of your examples for the "hidden victims".

I'm not sure what you're saying about the insurance cost.  Are you talking about all plans being provided by an insurance company or affecting the cost of your own personal plan that you may have others on, like a spouse or child?  Either way that is the call of the insurance company and they raise the costs of their plans for far more than just smoking or drinking.  They could do it for obesity, for conditions totally unrelated to substance use such as genetic heart conditions.  Really this is an issure of how insurance companies do business (maximum profit at the expense of the patient) and personal responsibility (if I smoke two packs a day I best be prepared to face the consequence).  

Sure some car accidents are caused by people fucked up.  Car accidents are also caused by poor road conditions, poor driving, lack of sleep by the driver, etc. etc.  Again this is personal responsibility.  It can lead to a horrible tragedy for an innocent bystander but the individual should be the one to blame. 

As for organ transplants, there are waiting lists for those because they are in such demand and we'd have to get into the specifics of how a hospital chooses who gets the liver and who doesn't.  Do they give it to the alcholic or the kid with liver cancer?  To make a sweeping generalization that all of these substance abusers are getting new organs is asinine.  BTW can you replace lungs?  I honestly don't know. 

 

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Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

How much my insurance payments are is a direct result of how much money the insurance company pays out. So if my insurance company pays out a lot of money due to other people's poor choices with dangerous and/or illegal drugs, I am being punished for it.

That was my point. My insurance rates go up when there are high cost pay outs caused by other people.

You also talk about road conditions etc, if you are under the influence of alcohol or other drugs, you become less likely ro properly respond to those road conditions and thus more likely to be a danger to others on the road. As for sleep, it has been shown in studies that lack of sleep can have similar effects to intoxination. I believe it is around 21 hours without sleep and you react on the same level as someone with .08 blood alcohol level.

Sure the individual should be blaimed but when access to dangerous substances is so easy you could easily improve public safety by removing those substances. It is far easier and better for society as a whole to remove dangerous substances than try to educate people on their proper use. Most people won't care about personal responsibility as we very well know.

In the end, my main point comes down to this, "Why should I risk my and my family's safety and money just so you can get stoned?"

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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 "Sure the individual should be blaimed but when access to dangerous substances is so easy you could easily improve public safety by removing those substances. It is far easier and better for society as a whole to remove dangerous substances than try to educate people on their proper use."

Sure, now how do we get rid of them? Prohibition sure did a good job of removing alcohol, nobody consumed it when it was illegal because that would make them criminals. 

/sarcasm

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You know, murder is illegal right? Yet people still murder. So why don't we just legalize it already. All it does is make people criminals when they don't have to be. Same with armed robbery and grand theft auto. All making these things illegal do is clog up our legal system with frivolous charges and lengthy expensive court battles and cause over crowding in our prisons.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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EZK


Way to gloss it over there Stalin, Some forms of murder are legal it dose not mean they are not double checked by the law and legal system to varifiy self defense or crimes of passion which do get no to little punishment, you can not paint anything in black and white and expect humans to perfectly conform to it. No you have to have rules that bend with flaws of humanity if not what you create is a fascist system of strife and social/science/media entropy.

 


Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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That...doesn't even begin to make sense objectively, let alone provide any sort of coherent response to EZK's post.

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You passed the point of facetiousness really early in this discussion you know.

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Re: U.S. Anti-Marijuana Ads Focus on Reduced Gaming Skills

And I can counter with the point: "Why should responsible drinkers/smokers such as myself be punished or denied our habit because some people can't control themselves?" 

You're living in a fantasy world if you think banning substances will improve anything.  They won't go away, just go underground.  As prohibition has shown crime sky-rockets when they become the only source for a substance.  Organized crime profits from it.  People still get fucked up, only now it's illegal so now the cops are even more stressed to handle the issue.  Prisons become overcrowded with nickle-and-dime dealers or by people that simply want to get high.  And you said many people don't care about personal responsibility so why do you think these same people would follow the law if they banned alcohol?

Dude I've read what you've posted on this site and I know you're an intelligent individual.  This is why I'm having such a hard time understanding how you can believe this myth that banning something will somehow magically improve society especially when history has shown that prohibition did nothing to stop the ingestion of the substance.

 

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And making alcohol legal magically improved society? That is a big joke right there. The only thing repealing prohibition did was turn those criminals into legitamite businessmen who get rich doing the exact same thing they did before only now it is in the open and taxed. Their products still kill. Their products are still abused. Their products still result in damge and pain for millions of people each year. But hey its all good, its taxed now.

I am not so niave that I think society will magically be improved, but it can be with a little work. Along ith prohibition we would need to reorganize our criminal system and come up with more alternatives to prison time. More fines and community service would work just as well as jail time.

It is not an easy solution but I think it is better than legalizing yet another mind altering drug.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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It took some of the wind out of the criminal organizations, for one thing.  Did it get rid of them?  Of course not.  Once an organized criminal element appears, it sticks around.  When the gangsters couldn't make money from alcohol anymore they moved their priorites to gambling, prostitution, and drugs. The hardcore criminals didn't turn into legitimate business men, legitimate business men who were shut down by the screed of a bunch of old ladies were finally able to go back to the public.

Plenty of legal products get abused or end up killing people.  Take a look at any pharmacy.  Any one of those medications can kill or be abused.  Fine, they have legit purposes but say tommorow all illegal drugs, alcohol, and tobacco disappear from the Earth.  Poof, gone.  Guess what?  There will just be a black market that sells the legit drugs to people for recreational use.  (It actually already exists, but it will explode in this regard)

You want to know why?  A simple cold, hard fact about reality: People like to get buzzed or even a little fucked up from time to time.  People have always liked to get fucked up.  People will always find a way to get fucked up.  No amount of wishing is going to change that and no amount of banning substances is going to change that either.  If it's not drunk drivers killing people, it'll be people fucked up on oxy-cot.  It's a constant aspect of human civilization.

Just to point it our real quick, some substances that are/were banned are part of religious rituals for some religions.  Banning them violates First Amendment rights. 

So you can either legalize the substance, monitor it, and therefore get some control as well as some cash out of it.  Or you can ban everything that's "bad", which you will be doing until the day you die because every time you ban one thing people will find another way to get high or drunk or alter their mind.

You don't like them?  Fine, don't do it.  Hell you can even state your case as to why you think it's bad.  But banning a substance produces zero results and thinking otherwise is niave.

 

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I am far from the ideal of banning something just because there is a potential for misuse/abuse. hence I do not agree with banning of Modchips and games.

But I do advocate banning of substances that have little to no redeeming qualities. Social applications of drugs are far from a redeeming quality. It is far outweighed by the fact that they not only damage the body and mind of the user, but also place others in danger due to the user's inhibited reflexes.

But again I must ask as I have not been given a valid answer, "Why should I risk my and my family's safety and money just so you can get stoned?"

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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How is me smoking risking your family's safety?  Let's start with that and maybe I can give you answer you'll be satisfied with, though I doubt it with this topic.

 

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You smoking marijuana in the confines of your own home may not harm me. But the moment you set foot behind the wheel of a car or handle a fire arm, you become a risk to myself and my family.

So why should I take that risk just so you can get stoned?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Whose to say I would get behind the wheel or handle a gun when I'm high?  Maybe, and apparently this might be a stretch of logic for you, but maybe I have enough forethought and responsibility to not do either of those two things when I'm high or had a couple of drinks. 

What about people that are stone-cold sober when they hit a person with a car or shoot a gun at people?  Stupidity isn't something exclusive to substance abusers.

Why should substances be banned just so you can have the illusion of safety for your family?  Because that's all it is, an illusion.

You're making this assumption that everyone that smokes pot or drinks alcohol become irresponsible idiots with no control over what they do.  You're selectively picking out the idiots in the demographic and using it as an excuse to ban it from those of us that drink or smoke in a responsible manner.  It's pretty much the same thing as bad-mouthing all Christians because a few nut-jobs got "drunk" on the ideology and blew up an abortion clinic.

Quite frankly if this is all you got there really isn't any reason to debate you on this topic anymore.  Might as well go argue with a brick wall. 

 

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!

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Quite frankly if this is all you got there really isn't any reason to debate you on this topic anymore.  Might as well go argue with a brick wall.

My thoughts exactly.

Just because you don't plan on doing any driving after drinking or smoking does not mean that it will never happen. It has been proven that smoking marijuana or drinking messes with your reasoning ability. The more you do it the harder it is to reason clearly. If you get stoned enough you increase the risk that you will make a bad decision that can harm yourself or other people. This is not confined to idiots. I have met many intelligent people who made a poor choice while drunk and ended up costing someone their life. These people are not idiots but under the influence they quickly become one.

E. Zachary Knight
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http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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"It has been proven that smoking marijuana or drinking messes with your reasoning ability."

Playing video games has been proven to mess with your brain as well, albeit temporarily, like the effects of smoking pot.

"Just because you don't plan on doing any driving after drinking or smoking does not mean that it will never happen."

Hold the individual responsible for their actions, not an object.

"This is not confined to idiots. I have met many intelligent people who made a poor choice while drunk and ended up costing someone their life."

Im going to say, that if they did not control themselves, while on pot or alcohol, they are responsible, and passing the buck off to a substance, is irresponsible. I don't care who the person is, or what their background is. It's called taking precautions.

So many other activities are dangerous, and can be dangerous to others, but it is not illegal, and with the proper preparation, that danger is mitigated, and people can responsibly partake in this. Why the over reaction to marijuana?

You said earlier "It may be your body but when you damage your body, it has an affect on everyone. Your increased issurance costs reflect on other people's plans."

TWhat about making a ban on irresponsible eating habits, or lack of excercise, or lack of safety courses on seemingly mundane but dangerous daily activities. All of these things would greatly affect insurance.

"Mind altering substances even taken in moderation can have a dramatic effect on your reasoning skills and reflexes."

Just like endorphins that are released when partaking in pleasurable activities. Such as gaming, or a new fling. Should these activities also be regulated? if no, why not?

"It is far easier and better for society as a whole to remove dangerous substances than try to educate people on their proper use."

It is easier to remove things, than to educate people on their use. But that does not make it right. My counter example being, It is easier to also live off welfare, than getting a job.

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I am far from the ideal of banning something just because there is a potential for misuse/abuse. hence I do not agree with banning of Modchips and games.But I do advocate banning of substances that have little to no redeeming qualities. Social applications of drugs are far from a redeeming quality."

What are modchips and games but a social application? These are people trying to get there games out on popular formats. What a redeeming quality is, is completely subjective. What is the redeeming quality of video games?

"You smoking marijuana in the confines of your own home may not harm me. But the moment you set foot behind the wheel of a car or handle a fire arm, you become a risk to myself and my family."

Same can be said about video games. When you have endorphins released from this pleasurable activity, which has adverse, short term, affects on you.

"So why should I take that risk just so you can get stoned?"

So why should I take that risk just so you can gplay games?

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Your problem here is that you're grossly overestimating the intoxicating effects.  If I went and smoked a whole bag to my head, i'm still very much aware of how high I am and that trying to drive a car at the moment is a very bad idea.  Being stoned does not suddenly deprive you of all common sense and to think that it does is just silly.  Drinking too much can exagerate this a bit more sometimes but the level of consupmtion has to be well above and beyond what would be considered resonable and you still do know better and are perfectly capable of stopping yourself from doing something so stupid.   

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Drinking too much can exagerate this a bit more sometimes but the level of consupmtion has to be well above and beyond what would be considered resonable and you still do know better and are perfectly capable of stopping yourself from doing something so stupid.  

So your argument hinges on the fact, that noone ever does anything stupid while drunk? Are you being sarcastic?

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Most people would agree that driving or handling a firearm while under the influence is a bad idea and endangers everyone involved.  As a result the only ones that would do so are the dumb shits that tend to be danger to themselves and others even without imbibing any substance.  Being stoned does not make you suddenly have no regard for the law or personal safety. 

Of course it's also true that anyone on the road or handling a gun can be a danger even if they are dead sober. 

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The problem is that you're including using a substance to get high a misuse, it's not.  If you're screwing up your health or endagering others by doing something bat shit like hopping behind the wheel then that's the misuse.  If I come home from work, take a couple of pulls of the old vaporizer, eat a pizza and watch Ernest Goes To Camp the danger to myself and others is that I be involved in a criminal transaction for that dime.  Without the prohibition the biggest danger to myself and others is that I just watched Ernest Goes To Camp.

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Why should I risk my and my family's safety and money just so you can use a cell phone?

Why should I risk my and my family's safety and money just so you (a responsible adult) can play a video game (when a video game could turn an otherwise normal child into a sex-crazed killer)?

Who decides?

The truth is, if alcohol is illegal, only criminals will drink (and drive...don't forget that).

I think all of the above is another case where legislation is probably not the best answer.

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"Now sure there are plenty of people who can show signs of "moderation" and do so quite naturally, but it does change your thinking even in moderation. That has been proven."

EVERYTHING we do changes our thinking.  That's called living.  If our thinking didn't change we'd be zombies.  The real question is this: does the moderate use of illegal drugs usually make us a danger to society.  If not, then those drugs should be legal because it's not the drug that's causing the danger - it's the person who chose to do the dangerous thing.  It's an issue of personal responsibility, not whether or not a person alters his brain chemistry.  Heck, I alter my brain chemistry when I eat chocolate, but that shouldn't make carrying an ounce of chocolate a criminal offense.

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I think It really depends on what game you're playing and if you are playing with a friend. Single player games I can see maybe getting drunk/high. One Example being N20, I loved playing that game high with my best freind. But when I took acid... not so much.

Multiplayer games, I would understand that if you want to do that beforehand... don't expect to be an asset to the team. I dropped people from my teams if they were high/drunk. I don't need to pull their wieght in matches.

So what I'm saying is, get drunk/high on your own time. Not while gamming.. it's bad for everyone. Just like 12 year olds playing Halo whilst breathing heavy into their mic.

 

-There is no greater sin, than that of the man who does not think for himself.

There is no greater sin, than that of the man who does not think for himself.

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Most researches of marijuana usage are done by institutions that have an agenda, either for pushing the legalization or pot or against it. What we need is a report done by a 3rd party that has no strong bias. This is why the debate continues on.

Also, pot has been legal before the 20th century. All that caused it to be made illegal is because certain unwanted racial groups were smoking it, and people wanted them out. Also, tobacco companies crying over Big Pot taking away their territory and the government helping them financially. But as the nation became more politically correct, outdated racial segregation reasoning has been replaced by a more "scientific" reasoning based on protecting your health. Deep down, though, it's still for helping tobacco stay in business.

And if you are banning something for bureaucratic reasons, you shouldn't ban it at all.

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