Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

March 11, 2009 -

Tim Kretschmer, the German teenager whose shooting rampage left 16 people dead earlier today, was a fan of the first-person shooter Counter-Strike, according to an early report from the Associated Press:

A 17-year-old who would give only his first name, Aki, said he had been studying this year with the shooter at a private business school, and described him as a quiet, reserved person.

 

Aki said the two played poker together, both in person and online, as well as a multiplayer video game called "Counter-Strike" that involves killing people to complete missions.

 

"He was good," Aki said.

Meanwhile, UK newspaper Telegraph reports that Kretschmer was experienced with weapons:

A former classmate said... "The only thing which stands out is that Tim was always very good with weapons. He mainly shot air weapons firing plastic balls, but the house had several gun cabinets occupying square metres of walls, mainly air guns."

 

"He was a pretty good shooter. He used to shoot in a forest behind his house. Sometimes we'd have air gun battles in the summer."

Another student told the AP that Kretschmer seemed troubled:

Sabienne Boehm, 12, said she recently met the shooter through a friend, and that he had shown her a note three weeks ago that he then sent to his parents.

 

"He wrote to his parents that he's suffering and he can't go on," she said.

GP: Video game violence is an ongoing topic of discussion among German political officials. Today's events will almost certainly spur additional debate on the topic.


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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Just now they´ve said that it could be possible, that Tim has NOT confirmed his actions on an online-chat the night before. It´s said that it was some other guy which faked the chatlog or something. Now german police is asking US-police for help since the server stands somewhere in the USA.


Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

I was a Counter-Strike player too, but I'm a fairly weak nerd.  Using a gun would probably only hurt myself.  Perhaps it was this guy's access and experience with guns that made it so deadly.  Who knows, just a thought.

You know, now that I think about it...Super Mario Bros. was a pretty violent game too, with lots of dangerous behavior.  Advocating killing by jumping on your enemies of all things.  Drug use what with eating strange mushrooms and flowers.  Animal cruelty kicking around turtles and stuff.  Destruction of property like brickwork and bridges.  Pyromania.  Giving incentives for other behaviors like exploring strange sewer pipes, and jumping on top of cannon shells.  I think these are much easier for me to imitate, weeee.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Wow...he played counter strike...whoopie.

I know they will twist it around and make it sound like it was the games fault though.

I just think it's funny that the country that's so against video game violence was once in a war where they exterminated people based on their religion.
 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

And the Romans prosecuted the Christians that refused to pay for having an extra religion, while they now house the Vatican. Nobody talks about that. The World Wars history shouldn't be used against countries anymore.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I always get the impression, that people just don't realize how far gone the World Wars are. If someone really wants to hold something against me that happend while my grandparents were in kindergarten and before any members of the current government were born, then let them. I'm not the one, that's going to look stupid for it.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I'm not holding it against anyone, i just find it funny.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Like the real Americans being the ones who still hang out the Confederate flag? =P

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I, for one, DO NOT CARE.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

So right now there's talk about a press conference this afternoon since the cops seem to be closing in on the motive, and there's a good chance the dad will be prosecuted for negligence. Glad to see the actual officials are still looking at this properly.

As for the one who commented 15 dead instead of 16, that's because initial reports said he killed a boy at the school next to nine girls, now the reports just say nine students, three female teachers, an employee of a nearby psychiatric center, two employees of a car dealer.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

so out of my own personal wondering, i looked up his name on myspace.

i found someone who's display picture was of guns, and when you click

on the profile the profile was deleted. it said invalid membership, which

means he deleted it in the last 48 hours. (it said he is from germany

and he is 18 years old, lots of people round up on myspace.)

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't delete it himself. After the online handle of the Emsdetten shooter became known, almost all Google results for his nickname went dead within a day as everyone cleansed their sites because they didn't want to be connected to him. (That one psychological site, where he asked about his desire to kill everyone a year before the shooting, was especially fast.)

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

All these attempted links between crimes and video games are getting old.

These days the majority of teens and young adults play or have played video games. You could point at any young criminal and chances are he played video games. Well guess what... He may be smoking too, or drinking. Does that means tobacco is responsible for causing these crimes? And most young people go to school too. Does that mean school causes these crimes?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Actually...the only source which said that this guy played videogames was the local radio-station "Antenne Bayern", a bavarian radio-station which always crys about videogames. Lot of the other news-reports are building up on this one.

I´ve also already seen a lot of other news where friends of this guy say that he DIDN´T play videogames at all.

Let´s see how this one goes on ;- )

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

The Times, 2009-03-12, page 6 (just reports he plays poker "a video game called Counter-Strike that involves killing people to complete missions." & Daily Mirror 2009-03-12, page10. "Counter-Strike that involves killing people".

The Daily Mail (the people who I would had though would be foaming about video games) have not picked up on it (yet).

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

I blame the table tennis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7938484.stm

"Mr Weiss says playing table tennis was Kretschmer's only hobby and that he took it very seriously"

"Whenever a new ranking was published, he'd learn the names of the top 40 players by heart."

"The coach lost contact with Kretschmer when he switched to a nearby club. "But I know he played a league game just this past Sunday," Mr Weiss says."

 

It's about a logical reason as blaming a video game

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

here we go...one of Norway's biggest tabloids has published an article with the headline: "Tim spent alot of time at home playing Counter-strike"

http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/12/nyheter/utenriks/skoleskyting/5250794/

The first half of the article is about how he played CS and "was good at it", and describes the game's main goal as "kill as many enemies as possible", and then delves into the apparently less attractive headline stuff about how people described him as normal, friendly, but introverted

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I got as far as 'tabloid' and skipped the rest of your post.. I mean really, nobody knows 'sensationalist news' like the tabloids.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

First off, only 15 people died according to the Associated press article.

With that out of the way, I can say that this just plain sucks, no matter who you are.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

"Private Business School..."

Note to parents saying saying hes "suffering and can't go on"?

I'm more ready to point the finger at school stress than any game. Lord how bad THAT can get :(

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

He should have seen a Walnut Creek Chiropractor

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

All this does for me is show how spineless the video game industry is. Why are they sitting back and doing nothing when people slander them? It'll happen just like any other time a school shooting happens.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

All the outrage over getting rid of murder simulators..... No outrage over the murder weapons.....I so wish somebody would rub that in these people's faces so their case can fall apart instantly.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Thats crazy... he was friends with a 12 year old girl.. he was much older.  Thats pretty weird.

 

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Believe it or not when I was at the Uni (University), I took classes with people as old as 28 and people as young as 14 in the same class. Its not that uncommon to have a wider age spread due to their school system.

You just have to watch out that you don't pick up one of those 14 year olds at one of the parties near the Uni. Gotta wait until they are at least 16.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

You know, I want it on record with all you guys here, if I ever go on a school shooting, and someone tries to link me with Counterstrike, I have never played it, not once.

Just ignore my Gears of War ranking, and my love of Halo, GTA etc. I didn't play CS. It's ok.

Bloody annoyed that games are gonna get the sharp end of this AGAIN.

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

If I ever finally crack and go on a shooting spree, I'm going to play Beautiful Katamari Damacy for the entire morning beforehand, just to see what the heck newspapers would do with a snippet like that.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I'm going to play nothing but Peggle and World of Goo.  Let's see'm wrap their heads around that.

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Fantasy World Dizzy, greatest game ever made; why do you think the console wars are futile?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Spur debate?  Not likely.  I'm sure it will spur more baseless vitriol against gamers and their "killerspiel".

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Absolutely right. Games aren't a topic of ongoing discussions because there are no discussions - just recurring witch hunts.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Great. Now I have to track down the report, that led me to proclaim in the shoutbox, that he wasn't into videogames a few hours ago.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

This topic is officially Godwinned...

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

And you're surprised by this? It involves Germany, which instantly raises the chance of the topic being Godwinned by about 75%.

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

And Germany will now ban and censor games even more then before now.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Soon they'll start staging public burning of games... Oh ****......

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Easy solution; just call a plumber who has access to a talking water tank.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Or more likely, public burning of gamers as a safety measure. because y'know, they all snap sooner or later, right?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Quite seriously though, this does spur on the old debate again. 

 

We can safely assume that the laws for selling specific genres of games will be tightened, or at the very least the attempt to do that will be made. There is barely any opposition to be expected, coming from experienced and able politicians, because there simply aren't that many gamers among them just yet.

In ten or twenty years when Germans look back at this, they'll probably be very unhappy with laws built around the video game industry that were made these past years.

 

I would, (if you absolutely must blame something), blame 'easy access to guns'. But even if there hadn't been any guns, he might have done this a bit later when he got himself one through other means. I wouldn't blame the parents. Kids are not stupid. If they want to hide something from their parents, they always can, and they always have. I wouldn't blame any of the shooters the Kid played. It might have had some influence, but only the "Guns are cool" kind of influence, not to be confused with the "Shooting people is cool" kind of influence, capiche? Besides, "Guns are cool" is pretty much the norm in the US, and video games still get the blame there as well. The kid alone is at fault here. And I don't even think he's a total nutcase either. Most of these shooting-kids weren't. They simply couldn't deal with the world as it is, found no relief, no refuge, no way out, and probably no friends that they could entrust their worries with. At some point they will likely bubble up hatred through the envy they feel when they watch other people live in this world, looking happy.

 

 

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

You gotta love the immediate jumpting to CounterStrike. How OLD is CounterStrike at this point? I remember playing it back in High School and that 7 years ago now.

I mean come on you SURE he was playing CounterStrike and not some more modern game? 

CounterStrike is definitely the boogie man of FPS to these people. "What a shooting by a youth, he's a COUNTERSTRIKE player!"

Fine, if we take CounterStrike off the market will you people GO AWAY!? Clearly CS is the sole cause of all these problems.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Well, there's two sides to that:
On the one hand, for most non-gamers Counterstrike is the only game they know, thanks to its popularity and history as a scapegoat. They can't blame anything else because they don't know anything else.

On the other hand, Counterstrike is still quite popular. It's one of the few games everyone can agree to play at every LAN partie I've ever been to. It still pops up on sales charts regularly. Go to Amazon.de, browse to first person shooters, sort by best sellers, and see what pops up at the top (and what's number 7):
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/403294/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_...
It may be old, but that doesn't say much.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Counterstrike Source was on the top 10 sellers list of all games at Karstadt the entire year I was over there in 2007-2008 and as you have shown it is still very popular.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

load up CS from europe and check the server list, easily half the servers are in germany and they're generally quite full. The game is very popular there, that doesn't mean most of Germany's youths are shootings waiting to happen.

My guess is that a combination of harassment (he was a loner, these people are always popular targets for bullying) and easy acces to weaponry at his home.
There's a reason he didn't just shoot himself, but went to his school and shot a number of people instead, he was most likely targetting those who he felt wronged or bullied him.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Well, a quick check of wikipedia says:

June 12, 1999 (1999-06-12) (Mod)
November 8, 2000 (Retail)
March 25, 2004 (Xbox

So it's basically pushing 10 years old at this point.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I think we're all missing the big picture here.  Sure, this guy may have played Counter-Strike, but the biggest danger of all hasn't been discussed here.

He played poker.

Now, I'm no expert(though I play one on the internet), but I have to say that of all the research I've done(watched a few westerns late at night) I can tell you that there isn't a single thing more violent then watching a poker game.  It's like all you're doing is waiting for the fight to break out.  The cards or chips don't actually have any significance.  All they're doing is trying to get each other angry so they have a reason to start shooting.  And shooting they do!

I'm afraid the biggest culprit in this whole charade is actually those dastardly playing cards and evil chips.  Who knows how many familys this horrible "sport" has laid to waste?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

LOL!! That's a good one! Very Michael Moore-ish. And you have a good point. Pairs of aces and eights ain't called the Dead Man's Hand for nothing.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

It'll be interesting to see which one of three factors gets the most attention: (1) Counter-Strike fan, (2) air gun fan, or (3) questionable mental health.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I think you just put them in the right order.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Because it's easier to make up crap about (1) and (2) that sounds plausible than it is to do so for (3).

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

They had a bunch of guns at the house, his dad often practiced and he was a frequent guest at the shooting range, getting rounds off himself...

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Dennis there is so many reports from the UK side of the news that his family were members of a gun range and had many guns at the home.  While he might of played Counter Strike making the relation from CS to his shooting would be way off based coming from the fact the family was such a fan of guns and part of a gun club.


 
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Neeneko@MC - Focusing on perpetrator does nothing for prevention, the media and public lack the domain knowledge and event details to draw any useful conclusions. All we get are armchair risk experts.10/25/2014 - 7:36am
Neeneko@AE - no name or picture, I like it.10/25/2014 - 7:34am
PHX Corp@MW and AE The news media needs to stop promoting the Shooters. period10/25/2014 - 7:16am
Andrew EisenWhen I write about these massacres, I don't use the shooter's name or picture. I'm not saying everyone has to play it that way but that's how I prefer to do it.10/25/2014 - 12:44am
Andrew EisenYep, it's why the news media stopped spotlighting numbnuts who run out on the field during sporting events.10/25/2014 - 12:01am
Matthew Wilsonin media research its called the copycat effect. it simply says that if the news covers one mass shooting shooter, it increases the likelihood of another person going on a mass shooting.10/25/2014 - 12:00am
Andrew EisenAgreed. It bugs me that I know the names, faces and personal histories of a bunch of mass shooters but I couldn't tell you the name of or recognize a photo of a single one of their victims.10/24/2014 - 11:51pm
AvalongodAgree with Quiknkold. @Mecha...if that worked we would have figured out how to prevent these long ago.10/24/2014 - 11:32pm
MechaCrashUnfortunately, you have to focus on the perpetrator to figure out the whys so you can try to prevent it from happening again.10/24/2014 - 10:55pm
quiknkoldpoor girl. poor victims. rather focus on them then the shooter. giving too much thought to the monster takes away from the victims.10/24/2014 - 10:15pm
Andrew EisenFor what it's worth, early reports are painting the motive as "he was pissed that a particular girl wouldn't date him."10/24/2014 - 10:12pm
quiknkoldwell then I suck as a man cause I ask for help when necessary :P10/24/2014 - 10:07pm
Technogeek(That said, mostly I was making the smartass evopsych comment because your post seemed like the kind of just-so story that has come to dominate 99% of its usage.)10/24/2014 - 10:04pm
TechnogeekHell, Liam Neeson built his modern career around it. Cultural factors likely play a far greater role than you appear willing to admit.10/24/2014 - 10:03pm
TechnogeekSeriously, though, the idea of "because women are protectors and that's why they never commit school shootings" is, at best, grossly overreductive. There's nothing inherently feminine about being willing to kill in order to protect one's offspring.10/24/2014 - 10:03pm
MechaCrashThe "toxic masculinity" thing refers to how you have to SUCK IT UP AND BE A MAN because seeking help is seen as weakness, which means you suck at manliness, so it builds and builds and builds until something finally snaps.10/24/2014 - 10:01pm
quiknkoldthere, I'm done. And thats what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown10/24/2014 - 9:54pm
quiknkoldand I am not spouting Evopsych, technogeek. tbh I never heard the phrase till you said it. I'm going off my observations.10/24/2014 - 9:54pm
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